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Android 4.3 : after OTA update problem with root - Binary installation

Hello
I've just don't an OTA upgrade to Android 4.3 to my new Sprint HTC One.
After the OTA I rooted the device and installed recovery.
After I restarted the phone and launch the SuperSU I got this message :
"There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem.
If you just upgraded to Android 4.3 you need to manually re-root."
I would like to ask what should I do to make the root process sucseful .
I'm a newbe in the Android world and use some root manual I found.
1. What does it mean to re-root?
2. Should I unroot first ? And how it can be done?
3. Is there an 4.3 root manual somewhere to the make the SuperSU work?
Any instructions will be great help.
Thanks

Did you ever figure out how to get root? I am currently experiencing same issue.

Same issue
Same exact problem! Bump.
Any suggestions?

Please don't take OTAs after you've rooted your phone, because almost always it will wipe your root. Here is how I do my rooting.
Step 1: Go to htcdev.com and get your bootloader unlocked (this process will reset your phone back to factory setting, so back up all your pics, music, etc)
Step 2: Right after bootloader is unlocked, install a custom recovery (I prefer TWRP 2.6.3.0 for Sprint HTC One 4.3)
Step 3: As part of TWRP installation, SuperUser will be installed (root)
Step 4: Make a nandroid backup of your phone in TWRP. After that, install a custom ROM of your liking (there are plenty wonderful ones in Development section). This will keep your phone from taking OTA updates from Sprint/HTC. Don't worry, Devs on these forums (and their respective ROMs) are months ahead of Sprint in terms of updates.
For more details, head over to Development section and look for rooting instructions. there are very detailed tutorials there. Hope this helps.

having the same problem! im getting "There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it." from super su! I DO NOT WANT A CUSTOM ROM! i want stock rom but i want to have root. please help! the theres so many devs here im sure someone is kind enough to help

`Ghost` said:
having the same problem! im getting "There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it." from super su! I DO NOT WANT A CUSTOM ROM! i want stock rom but i want to have root. please help! the theres so many devs here im sure someone is kind enough to help
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If all you want is pure stock with root -- just flash one of the already rooted stock ROMs in your custom recovery (assuming you loaded TRWP or PhilZ or CWM):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48653344&postcount=2
If you want (more or less) stock with a *significantly* better experience (e.g., 30 volume steps, extreme stability, bla bla bla), I'd suggest InsertCoin (the thread is here whereas the download for our phone is here.
For either pick, since your coming in fresh to the ROM, do a full wipe (InsertCoin will do that for you as an option to the install, but I usually do that in recovery anyway).
Also -- note that InsertCoin *might* start the install and seemingly hang. That's a bug in Aroma, just hard restart the phone and try again -- letting the installer perform the wipe. It will work, and you'll be happy -- I'm sure.
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james341 said:
Hello
I've just don't an OTA upgrade to Android 4.3 to my new Sprint HTC One.
After the OTA I rooted the device and installed recovery.
After I restarted the phone and launch the SuperSU I got this message :
"There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU cannot install it. This is a problem.
If you just upgraded to Android 4.3 you need to manually re-root."
I would like to ask what should I do to make the root process sucseful .
I'm a newbe in the Android world and use some root manual I found.
1. What does it mean to re-root?
2. Should I unroot first ? And how it can be done?
3. Is there an 4.3 root manual somewhere to the make the SuperSU work?
Any instructions will be great help.
Thanks
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See my previous post (you can just load a rooted stock ROM). But "re-root" is something you do by either flashing the SuperSU.zip file, or letting your recovery take care of re-rooting.
No need to unroot.
My take? Backup your current ROM (stock, unrooted) and then flash one of those I mentioned.

This might be of some help, or at least clarify the issue you are having.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...n-but-chainfires-supersu-works-and-heres-why/

fyi i realized i was flashing with an older version of supersu. V1.25 to be exact. I slapped supersu v1.86 on my phone and then installed that through TWRP. Root was successful.
Reason for rooting was I wanted to install titanium backup and freeze sprint id and other bloatware apps. I also wanted to eliminate GPU throttling which i did, and I set up the scrips to stop CPU and GPU throttling while im playing games, and then click the other button to shut off the script. Im happy with its performance. Shadowgun and modern combat 4 run much more smooth since doing that.
as for a custom rom im not sure im that brave yet... i thought all the big hubbub was cyanogen. has that mod lost its step? ill look in to the one you suggested, thanks.
after looking at insertcoin im going to have to pass. Ive read that kitkat completely breaks the phone for gaming and performance becomes horribad

[Q] Help me actually get rooted please!

Followed instructions on a DIY video on YouTube as well as retried it with someone else's text version.
Phone is Unlocked
Says Tampered in Bootloader screen
Teamwin comes up if I go to recovery
Go to use ROOT CHECKER and says Not Rooted
Click on SuperSU app and says no binaries.
Any help is appreciated.

When you're in recovery, TWRP should have told you "it appears you aren't rooted, would you like to install SuperSU?" ...or something to that effect. It should then ask how you want it to be installed, and you choose the install in recovery,/TWRP...or whatever it says. DIY videos on YouTube aren't exactly going to be the most comprehensive. If you see none of the things I've mentioned, then in the HTC One xda forums, find and READ (and then read again, and maybe several more times) how to install custom recovery after unlocking bootloader.Follow the instructions to the letter.
Sent from my HTCONE

I ran into the same issue when I first attempted root on this phone. SuerUser would be installed but no luck... Root check failed...First time Ive seen this problem actually....Not sure what the problem was never really tried to figure it out.. I just flashed a rom that was rooted already and Boom root was there. If your on 4.3 just flash a 4.3 rom in Team Win that's already rooted and you should be all set.

MrCoryWutang said:
Followed instructions on a DIY video on YouTube as well as retried it with someone else's text version.
Phone is Unlocked
Says Tampered in Bootloader screen
Teamwin comes up if I go to recovery
Go to use ROOT CHECKER and says Not Rooted
Click on SuperSU app and says no binaries.
Any help is appreciated.
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Flash the installable zip in recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053

JoeNeckbone said:
Flash the installable zip in recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
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What he said (haha I was just too lazy to go find the link, but not too lazy to write a novel encouraging you to find your own solution? I must be that kind of jackass)...sorry about that. Hope the zip works. It definitely has for me, and sometimes I've lost root because superSU updates, and then I have to let it install in recovery again. It's that whole s-on thing...
Sent from my HTCONE

HELP!! Phone will only boot into recovery!

Don't know what just happened, but here's the best I can explain and hopefully someone smarter than me can figure it out!
My G2 is rooted and running stock 4.4.2 version 24A and I have TWRP 2.7.0.0. I think, besides the hotspot hack, the only thing I had done to it is quarantine LG SetupWizard with App Quarantine. My phone has been trying to push through updates for months, but it never does it successfully becasue of root. Just now, I tried something different to see if I could get the OTA update to install...it was tring to install 26A. I took SetupWizzard out of quarantine and in Superuser I checked OTA survival. After it downloaded the OTA and rebooted it went straight to recovery. From recovery I tried to reboot to system, but it went straight into recovery. So, I restored the backup I made yesterday and tried to reboot back to system again and still it's going to recovery. Any ideas??

Fixed!
Found this thread after a search and reading a thread on the G3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2451696

Tsip85 said:
Don't know what just happened, but here's the best I can explain and hopefully someone smarter than me can figure it out!
My G2 is rooted and running stock 4.4.2 version 24A and I have TWRP 2.7.0.0. I think, besides the hotspot hack, the only thing I had done to it is quarantine LG SetupWizard with App Quarantine. My phone has been trying to push through updates for months, but it never does it successfully becasue of root. Just now, I tried something different to see if I could get the OTA update to install...it was tring to install 26A. I took SetupWizzard out of quarantine and in Superuser I checked OTA survival. After it downloaded the OTA and rebooted it went straight to recovery. From recovery I tried to reboot to system, but it went straight into recovery. So, I restored the backup I made yesterday and tried to reboot back to system again and still it's going to recovery. Any ideas??
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The reason why this is happening is you are trying to install the update OTA with a custom recovery. The way these OTA updates work is the OS downloads the file and stores it in a secure location. It has an auto-run updating sequence to allow the OS to update in the regular recovery. Because you have TWRP, TWRP has no idea where to find the file to update the device and therefore, does nothing. However, when you boot up the phone again, it realizes the phone has not yet been updated and goes back into recovery to make sure the update goes through. It is a continuous cycle that therefore never completes it's self. To fix this, run these instructions:
Because the G2 does not have an external SD card, you should do this: use TWRP's awesome "terminal command" option to run the following: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/fota
You need to get this PERFECTLY or else you will destroy your phone. Hope this helps.

mach01 said:
The reason why this is happening is you are trying to install the update OTA with a custom recovery. The way these OTA updates work is the OS downloads the file and stores it in a secure location. It has an auto-run updating sequence to allow the OS to update in the regular recovery. Because you have TWRP, TWRP has no idea where to find the file to update the device and therefore, does nothing. However, when you boot up the phone again, it realizes the phone has not yet been updated and goes back into recovery to make sure the update goes through. It is a continuous cycle that therefore never completes it's self. To fix this, run these instructions:
Because the G2 does not have an external SD card, you should do this: use TWRP's awesome "terminal command" option to run the following: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/fota
You need to get this PERFECTLY or else you will destroy your phone. Hope this helps.
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Thank you. I started searching for a solution and found a thread that had those exact instructions. And this little lesson has now led me to searching for something that will let me quickly and easily switch recoveries if I want to take an OTA.

Tsip85 said:
Thank you. I started searching for a solution and found a thread that had those exact instructions. And this little lesson has now led me to searching for something that will let me quickly and easily switch recoveries if I want to take an OTA.
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Glad it helped. As for a recovery switcher, you might want to consider using a simple one of the Play Store. They are convenient and easy to use. This thread is really great: http://www.xda-developers.com/simple-recovery-switcher/
Hope this helps.

Tsip85 said:
Thank you. I started searching for a solution and found a thread that had those exact instructions. And this little lesson has now led me to searching for something that will let me quickly and easily switch recoveries if I want to take an OTA.
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Would you mind sharing that link I need to find my bosses g2 please help

chazla86 said:
Would you mind sharing that link I need to find my bosses g2 please help
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Yes...check the link I posted on the second post.

[GUIDE] How to root without tripping knox - Kitkat and Lollipop, Locked bootloader

I take no responsibility for what happens to your device if you follow this guide. Rooting or modifying carries risks, however I have tested this procedure many times with 100% success on my SM-t805. It should work for any device, but I can't confirm, so feedback please if it works for your device.
1. Firstly you need to downgrade your device to a XXU1ANF8 or earlier firmware suitable for your particular model. This is available at http://samsung-updates.com/ or you can use this one XSG-T805XXU1ANF8-20140625 which is for the T805 model only.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23501681358555496 T800 only
Download and then install the firmware on your device with ODIN.
If you are still on Kitkat then there is no need to wipe the data partition. However if you are running Lollipop after successful installation you will need to boot into recovery POWER + HOME + VOL UP then select WIPE DATA/RESET -
YOU WILL LOSE ALL YOUR USER DATA SO BACK UP ANYTHING YOU NEED TO THE SD CARD FIRST!
NOTE: IF THE INSTALL FAILS AT HIDDEN.IMG OR CACHE.IMG SIMPLY BOOT INTO RECOVERY AFTERWARDS AND WIPE CACHE THEN CARRY ON WITH THE REST OF THE PROCEDURE.
2. Once booted into Android, set up your wifi and google account and skip everything else (this wont be needed if you didn't wipe the data partition)
3. Next we need to install a Few apps, so go ahead and install these apps from Play Store:
System app remover(root)
Root Validator
Terminal Emulator For Android
KINGROOT 4.1
Kingroot updates and earlier versions if posted version doesn't work:
http://androidxda.com/download-kingroot-application
Kingroot 4.5 (latest version)
We also need to download the package from this LINK
4. Using the built in File Manager extract the zip package to your internal SD card. Once extracted, inside the extracted folder is another folder called MRW.
THIS FOLDER NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO THE ROOT OF YOUR INTERNAL SD CARD OR THIS WON'T WORK.
5. Next go to Settings set your display timeout to 10 mins.
Now Run KINGROOT then wait for it to do it's thing. If it reboots part way through the process then after rebooting unlock your device, but don't touch anything for a couple of mins. The app should restart and continue. If you are successful you can move to the next step. If not, exit the app and run it again, it may take several attempts before you eventually achieve root.
6. After success uninstall the KINGROOT app (NOT KINGUSER) (not required with v4.5) and the other blue app with Chinese writing.
Now reboot - DO NOT RUN THE KINGUSER APP
7. Let your device fully boot then run the Terminal Emulator and wait for the command prompt
NOTE: IF AT ANY POINT YOU SEE A POP UP BOX WITH CHINESE WRITING ASKING YOU TO UPDATE THE KINGUSER APP SELECT CANCEL.
Now type or copy and paste the following command into the Terminal window:
su
It will ask for root permission, so select ALLOW.
Without closing the terminal emulator window, hit the HOME button and run the SYSTEM APP REMOVER app. (The app is red and simply called UNINSTALL)
The app will ask for root permission, hit ALLOW.
Look for the KINGUSER app then select it and uninstall it. Exit from the app.
Re-open the terminal emulator window and type the following:
sh /sdcard/mrw/root.sh
This will run a script, you will see a bunch of warnings, just ignore them .At then end of the script the SUPERSU app will run.
8. Hit CONTINUE then NORMAL.
Next you may see another message that 'Samsung knox has been detected'. When you see this message select CANCEL.
Once completed you should see a message saying that installation has been successful. Hit OK.
If you see the message again 'Samsung knox has been detected' select CANCEL then exit the SUPERSU app.
9 . Now check with ROOT VALIDATOR that you have root and everything looks ok.
DO NOT REBOOT.
The root is only temporary, if you reboot you will lose root.
10. The next step is to install our ROM of choice with Flashfire.
For more info on FLASHFIRE see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/paid-software/flashfire-t3075433
11. Run FLASHFIRE and grant it root.
12. Agree to the disclaimer and then hit the Red circle with a white +.
Next select 'Flash firmware package' and then navigate to the firmware you want to install (in this case the stock tar package) and select it.
Wait until it finishes scanning the archive.
Next you will see the list of partitions to be flashed, all that is really required is BOOT, RECOVERY and SYSTEM. You can flash the others if you wish.
When you're happy hit the TICK and then you will see a list of what will be flashed. If you tap any one of them you will be able to change the options. Tap the REBOOT option then select DOWNLOAD from the list. This is so we can boot into download mode after the flashing process to flash the Lollipop BOOTLOADER. If not upgrading to lollipop just select REBOOT
I'd advise to leave the rest as is and then hit FLASH
NOW WATCH CHAINFIRES MAGIC!
13. After reboot it should boot directly into DOWNLOAD mode or REBOOT if not updating to Lollipop.
If updating to Lollipop we need to flash a Lollipop BOOTLOADER. I have provided a link below for the T800 and T805. If you have a T700/705/T807/T707 or if the ones provided don't work then you will have to extract it from the Lollipop stock ROM and then TAR it up.
T800XXU1BOCC_BOOTLOADER.tar
T805XXU1BOCC_BOOTLOADER.tar
Latest T800 boot loader thanks DUHasian skillz.
T800XXU1BOE3 bootloader
Flash the BOOTLOADER with ODIN.
If successful then after reboot you should have a rooted version of Lollipop or whatever rom you decided to install and an untripped Knox counter(hopefully)
Good luck and please give feed back.
If you wish you can give feedback to Chainfire at the link posted at the beginning of this post.
NOTE: If you wish to change roms or update and wish to keep root you will have to use the same procedure with Flashfire.
Also note that if you flash a custom KERNEL or BOOTLOADER then it may trip KNOX. Custom ROMs with stock KERNEL and BOOTLOADER should be OK(but don't hold me to that)
CREDITS TO CHAINFIRE FOR FLASHFIRE AND SUPERSU, KINGTEAM FOR ROOT AND WOLFDROID FOR THE KINGROOT REMOVAL SCRIPT.

My god I've been waiting for a thread like this one for a long time.
I don't have time to try it today but I'll give you feedback in a day or two.
Feedback here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61296003&postcount=12
Moderators, this thread should be sticked

Just so that I understand the limits of this method I need to ask. Is this method specific to achieve rooted (SuperSU) Lollipop 5.0.2 without tripping Knox or can further changes be made? For example:
1) Remove system apps (removing bloat).
2) Adding system apps such as Viper4Android, busybox, which must be installed in /system/priv-app
3) The Lollipop/Samsung compatible XPosed framework and modules
4) Installing a Tab S model compatible recovery (e.g. TWRP) as I would really like nandroid backups.
I only ask as in the Tab S Kingroot thread there was a post which mentioning that despite Kingroot having successfully achieved root without tripping Knox if you messed with the /system partition files there was the possibility of tripping Knox.
The comment in step 12 "... then navigate to the firmware you want to install ..." suggests that you could install one of the model compatible custom ROMs (e.g. CM). Is that a correct assumption or right now are you restricted to Lollipop stock? Some of those ROMs are from Lollipop 5.1.1 AOSP source (e.g. CM 12.1) which may be going too far with this method and still not trip Knox.
One last question, if I did implemented this could I go back to a pure unrooted stock kitkat/lollipop using Odin or Flashfire without tripping Knox? Odin would be fine.
I greatly appreciate the effort and quality of your post. I had hoped that a "Knox off" SuperSU lollipop root would be found for my month old Tab S 10.5 as I'm used to the low risk flashing on the Nexus devices and have had a mean itch to root without obvious risk to my warranty.
Thanks again

This method can be used to root any Rom.
Once you have root you can practically do what you please.
As for tripping Knox if you mess with the system partition, that's the whole point of root it already messes with the system partition. It shouldn't trip Knox, but never say never.
Just ensure once you have root you remove everything Knox related.
I can't confirm if a custom Rom will trip Knox, but as already stated as long as the bootloader and kernel are stock I believe it won't trip Knox.
Custom recovery may trip Knox.
You can go back to stock any time you wish.

ashyx, as I'm a Linux user its taken me a while to set up a Windows machine but I finally have KIES working and Odin recognizing my Tab S. Now I'm doing my "read your how-to OP twice and root once" prework, but I'm left with a bit of confusion. In my case I am already on Lollipop 5.0.2 so have downloaded stock 4.4.2. When I read steps 12 and 13 I became a bit confused.
What I want is to be rooted (SuperSu) on stock lollipop (T800XXU1BOE2) so I'm assuming that in step 12 I will be using Flashfire to flash boot, recovery and system from the Samsung stock 5.0.2 lollipop firmware file. My confusion comes in step 13 as it seems redundant to flash the lollipop bootloader I just flashed in step 12. Is step 13's flashing the bootloader redundant if you flashed it in step 12?
I apologize if this is a noob question but I just want to get things right and avoid a bricked device especially when the bootloader is involved. At this point I'm only looking to remove bloat and add specific apps that require root so rooted stock is good enough but I'll be in position to try a custom ROM if I feel the need.
Thanks again

3DSammy said:
ashyx, as I'm a Linux user its taken me a while to set up a Windows machine but I finally have KIES working and Odin recognizing my Tab S. Now I'm doing my "read your how-to OP twice and root once" prework, but I'm left with a bit of confusion. In my case I am already on Lollipop 5.0.2 so have downloaded stock 4.4.2. When I read steps 12 and 13 I became a bit confused.
What I want is to be rooted (SuperSu) on stock lollipop (T800XXU1BOE2) so I'm assuming that in step 12 I will be using Flashfire to flash boot, recovery and system from the Samsung stock 5.0.2 lollipop firmware file. My confusion comes in step 13 as it seems redundant to flash the lollipop bootloader I just flashed in step 12. Is step 13's flashing the bootloader redundant if you flashed it in step 12?
I apologize if this is a noob question but I just want to get things right and avoid a bricked device especially when the bootloader is involved. At this point I'm only looking to remove bloat and add specific apps that require root so rooted stock is good enough but I'll be in position to try a custom ROM if I feel the need.
Thanks again
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Good question. DO NOT flash bootloader in step 12 (newer bootloader) as Knox is likely to be tripped when you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader via odin in step 13. That was the instruction in Mobile odin (which could not flash bootloader). Flashing bootloader in step 12 is redundant.
shayind4

shayind4 said:
Good question. DO NOT flash bootloader in step 12 (newer bootloader) as Knox is likely to be tripped when you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader via odin in step 13. That was the instruction in Mobile odin (which could not flash bootloader). Flashing bootloader in step 12 is redundant.
shayind4
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Firstly, nowhere does it state to flash the kitkat bootloader on a lollipop Rom in step 12 or 13.
By step 13 you should be running a lollipop Rom.
Secondly Knox should not trip when flashing a stock bootloader. The bootloader can be flashed independently in Odin.
Lastly Flashfire does NOT flash bootloaders.
If you don't flash the bootloader your Rom won't boot.
I suggest you digest the guide again.

3DSammy said:
In my case I am already on Lollipop 5.0.2 so have downloaded stock 4.4.2. When I read steps 12 and 13 I became a bit confused.
What I want is to be rooted (SuperSu) on stock lollipop (T800XXU1BOE2) so I'm assuming that in step 12 I will be using Flashfire to flash boot, recovery and system from the Samsung stock 5.0.2 lollipop firmware file. My confusion comes in step 13 as it seems redundant to flash the lollipop bootloader I just flashed in step 12. Is step 13's flashing the bootloader redundant if you flashed it in step 12?
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It doesn't state to flash the boot loader in step 12? :what:
Your boot loader will be replaced when you downgrade to kitkat via Odin.
You need to reflash the lollipop boot loader after using Flashfire to install your Lollipop Rom or it won't boot.

Do i need to use a prerooted rom with flashfire, to maintain root, or can i just flash any original samsung room even if its not prerooted?

Paddiii said:
Do i need to use a prerooted rom with flashfire, to maintain root, or can i just flash any original samsung room even if its not prerooted?
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No, this is the whole point of the post. Flashfire will root for you.

ashyx said:
It doesn't state to flash the boot loader in step 12? :what: ...
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My bad, I saw the word "Boot" in step 12 and incorrectly assumed that was referring to a bootloader image.
Thanks for correcting me and your patience.

Sorry for being so long to give the feedback I promised.
I have one thing to say: thank you ! Your method works perfectly ! I am now running stock samsung lollipop on my T800 with knox untripped (0x0).
Little thing: your 4.4 file for the T800 isn't working (something wrong when flashing for the Hidden img). I took the same file but in XEF (I'm in France).
I just have a few questions now that could help other users:
-You say you are not sure about flashing another rom as long as it is with stock kernel and bootloader. But on a scale from 0 to 10 how sure are you about it working ? (I know you don't have any responsability in what happens, I just want a piece of advice).
- If for any reason I want to go back to stock, I just need to reflash the firmware with Odin ?
-Can I uninstall apps like the knox related ones without any risk about tripping knox ? (I think it is okay) (Edit: Ok I did it and knox not tripped. I used this tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 that is very convenient for that purpose )
Again thank you for this tutorial !

bibihub said:
Sorry for being so long to give the feedback I promised.
I have one thing to say: thank you ! Your method works perfectly ! I am now running stock samsung lollipop on my T800 with knox untripped (0x0).
Little thing: your 4.4 file for the T800 isn't working (something wrong when flashing for the Hidden img). I took the same file but in XEF (I'm in France).
I just have a few questions now that could help other users:
-You say you are not sure about flashing another rom as long as it is with stock kernel and bootloader. But on a scale from 0 to 10 how sure are you about it working ? (I know you don't have any responsability in what happens, I just want a piece of advice).
- If for any reason I want to go back to stock, I just need to reflash the firmware with Odin ?
-Can I uninstall apps like the knox related ones without any risk about tripping knox ? (I think it is okay) (Edit: Ok I did it and knox not tripped. I used this tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 that is very convenient for that purpose )
Again thank you for this tutorial !
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The hidden.img failure is because its carrier/region related.For some it will flash ok, for others it will fail. It isn't actually required at all. Even if it fails to flash the rest of the Rom will.
All that needs to be done after that failure is to wipe cache in recovery.
As regards flashing custom roms. Remember your Rom is already custom as you have modified it.
I would say a good chance custom stock roms won't trip Knox as long as it's build properties reflect its a stock Rom.
However something like Cyanogen probably would trip Knox as its not based on stock.
I won't say this is for sure, but I think it's the general consensus.

Over one thousand views and literally only one person has bothered posting feed back.

ashyx said:
Over one thousand views and literally only one person has bothered posting feed back.
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OK now two. I successfully applied your instructions yesterday. I really appreciate your guide.
What I did, differently is flashed with Odin using a Virtualbox Windows guest VM from my Ubuntu 14.04 host PC. It took a few days of false starts to get that working. Here is a "[How-To] Linux, Virtualbox and ODIN for your Samsung device", that I just posted to help others who do not have access to Windows machines.
Of the whole procedure the scariest moment was after flashing 4.4.2 stock with Odin over my devices 5.0.2 install. The reboot was too fast for me to get into recovery to wipe user data. I could not power off the SM-T800 and holding POWER + VOL DOWN just rebooted where it would hang displaying "SAMSUNG".
Booting into recovery ( POWER + VOL UP + HOME) had no effect what so ever. Finally I found that if I was fast enough I could reboot (POWER + VOL DOWN) and as soon as the screen went blank hold down the "POWER + VOL UP + HOME" buttons, then the tablet booted into recovery where wiping user data worked as described in your guide.
After completing your guide I am on stock Android 5.0.2 with Knox 0x0000.
My root apps so far:
Busybox
Titanium backup
GMD Gestures.
ES File Explorer with RW access to all partitions
System Uninstall Pro
Universal init.d
See Update below: "Unfortunately so far Viper4Android is not working as I cannot get SELinux permissive enabled either by the SELinux app or an init.d shell script using the "setenforce 0" command. From what I've read that is due to the Samsung stock bootloader."
V4A now works, see: "[HOW-TO] Installing Viper4Android (V4A) Audio on a Lollipop Tab S"
I took the high road and only froze the following KNOX related apps using titanium backup:
com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
KLMS Agent
KNOX
KNOX
KNOX II
KNOX SetUpWizardClient
So far I debloated 117Mgs of other apps using System Uninstall Pro. I bought the pro version of Flashfire just to show respect for Chainfire's development efforts. I have not tried to see if Flashfire's backups can be successfully restored yet.
Thanks again for your guide.:good:

Thanks for the feedback, it's constructive and encouraging for others to know It's successful.
For future reference you can disable auto reboot in Odin then manually reboot with POWER + VOL DOWN + HOME then as soon as it restarts switch to VOL UP while continuing to hold the other buttons.
The above procedure can be used at any point and will restart the device and get you into recovery every time.

just registered to suport OP, it works
I thought I did not need to run the su script as I could use kinguser w/o problems. But the flashfire is not compatible with other kinguser. Hope chainfire could remove this restriction. Maybe there is another way to flash rom or other mobile odin alternatives.
The OP could add a link about how to use odin for newbies like me. The odin 3.10 have different wording than previous version.
One more thing to mention is that the kingroot will work if you downgrade. I was in kitkat XXU1ANFB which is only one version up. The kingroot failed 20 times. XXU1ANF8 only takes 3 times to work.
After debloating in lolipop, the system is not smoother than before. The display has less contrast and dimer than kitkat. I did not wipe data/cache so my setting stays the same.
I rooted only for better battery performance as charging will take 10+ hours and could not hold charge at use with power cord plugged. It seems that the performance is not improved for this device after debloating.

vancities said:
I thought I did not need to run the su script as I could use kinguser w/o problems. But the fireflash is not compatible with other root authorization app. Hope chainfire could remove this restriction. Maybe there is another way to flash rom or other mobile odin alternatives.
The OP could add a link about how to use odin for newbies like me. The odin 3.10 have different wording than previous version.
One more thing to mention is that the kingroot will work if you downgrade. I was in kitkat XXU1ANFB which is only one version up. The kingroot failed 20 times. XXU1ANF8 only takes 3 times to work.
After debloating in lolipop, the system is not smoother than before. The display has less contrast and dimer than kitkat. I did not wipe data/cache so my setting stays the same.
I rooted only for better battery performance as charging will take 10+ hours and could not hold charge at use with power cord plugged. It seems that the performance is not improved for this device after debloating.
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I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but I think youre saying you had success?
Regarding Odin, it is not the intention of this post to spoon feed every single step, some knowledge is expected prior to following this guide. Anything relating to the actual process in this guide is explained in detail. Any other information you would ever require is already posted on XDA.

ashyx said:
I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but I think youre saying you had success?
Regarding Odin, it is not the intention of this post to spoon feed every single step, some knowledge is expected prior to following this guide. Anything relating to the actual process in this guide is explained in detail. Any other information you would ever require is already posted on XDA.
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I had success. What I mean is the step 6 7 8 9 are not necessary if flashfire could work with kinguser.
Also kingroot only works on XXU1ANF8 and maybe lower. I mentioned this because in other thread about kingroot, someone got success but most did not.

So my feedback . everything was great , was a little confused about Odin at first but like you said everything can be found on xda. Need to be on the most recent Odin which I believe is 3.10. Kingroot took forever to root but I believe it has something to do with connectivity to the servers. So my tab s is rooted no Knox counter. I'm hoping the custom tw rom doesn't revert all the hard work ? thanks again op.

Magisk How To Install Page Does Not Help At All

this is mosty a copy and past cuz i didnt find this part of the forums when i had to remake my acc. if u watch the video u'll see what i did and what i should cuz the how-to for install magisk is broken to say the least
i have a sony xperia z3v and before u ask yes i did follow when was on the xda but NOTHING works as u see in this video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaga6MUcTdc&feature=youtu.be.
so first thing i need is a Custom Recovery. so i follow what that page here - https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-flash-install-custom-recovery/ says...
first thing it is say i need Android SDK but never once talks about needing it ONE TIME.
2nd, both links given on that page for the custom recoverys 404! - https://imgur.com/bV9egdH
so what do i do next? i follow whats given and BOTH SITE R DEAD! also that page doesnt ONCE going into how to set up a custom recovery at all.
how is that u guys can help me out when it comes to flashing my sony xperia z3v back to stock after i F-ed up on a root and yet not have a set by set for geting Magisk to work install and work on your phone?

You don't need a custom recovery to install Magisk. I'm not gonna sit and watch some video about what you have and haven't done, so I'm not sure what how-to you've been following.
But, I can tell you what instructions you should be following (the official Magisk docs):
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/install.html

Didgeridoohan said:
You don't need a custom recovery to install Magisk. I'm not gonna sit and watch some video about what you have and haven't done, so I'm not sure what how-to you've been following.
But, I can tell you what instructions you should be following (the official Magisk docs):
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/install.html
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yes u do need a custom recovery as said on this page here - https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-install-magisk/
"What You’ll Need:
A device running Android 4.2+
Custom Recovery (how to install)
We’ll be using TWRP in this guide"
i have the magisk manager already install as is my phone it rooted as u can see in this SS from the phone here - https://imgur.com/a/Kq1EChq but as u see magisk has a red X since its not installed so i go to install it but it give a .zip so i use that and it errors out EVERY ****ING TIME as see here - https://imgur.com/a/VyAslvt
if u toke a few mins of your day to watching the video instead of being a ass and commenting that knowning full well u could have watched the video to see i did everthing that the pages sad u wouldnt be most the comment u just did. u just make yours look like a ass. i want ppl the help me not say "u dont need a custom recovery" when the page on the how to install SAYS U ****ING NEED ONE.

No need to swear or scream at me... I am actually trying to help.
I did not need to watch that video (and didn't feel like spending 12 minutes doing it, would have been better to just link that how-to from the start), since from your post I knew you had not been following the official Magisk docs (that I linked you). If you took a moment to read those you would have seen that you don't need a custom recovery to install Magisk (it can be useful, but you don't need one).
The guide you've been following is outdated (but unfortunately doesn't have a date, so that's hard to know). Take a look at the link I posted above and see if you can figure things out from there.
If you need further help it's just too ask (but without the swearing and screaming, please). It's also possible that you can find some information in my Magisk guide:
https://didgeridoohan.com/magisk/HomePage
You might run into some troubles since you're already rooted with some other root solution, but there's a section about that as well in my guide (if you're using a systemless root that is):
https://didgeridoohan.com/magisk/Magisk#hn_Moving_from_another_systemless_root_solution_to_MagiskSU

Didgeridoohan said:
No need to swear or scream at me... I am actually trying to help.
I did not need to watch that video (and didn't feel like spending 12 minutes doing it, would have been better to just link that how-to from the start), since from your post I knew you had not been following the official Magisk docs (that I linked you). If you took a moment to read those you would have seen that you don't need a custom recovery to install Magisk (it can be useful, but you don't need one).
The guide you've been following is outdated (but unfortunately doesn't have a date, so that's hard to know). Take a look at the link I posted above and see if you can figure things out from there.
If you need further help it's just too ask (but without the swearing and screaming, please). It's also possible that you can find some information in my Magisk guide:
https://didgeridoohan.com/magisk/HomePage
You might run into some troubles since you're already rooted with some other root solution, but there's a section about that as well in my guide (if you're using a systemless root that is):
https://didgeridoohan.com/magisk/Magisk#hn_Moving_from_another_systemless_root_solution_to_MagiskSU
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i saw that page and it makes no since to me. it still says i need a custom recovery also. i dont understand a single think. why cant they make it set-by-set?

let me make it as simple to understand what im looking for. i want to use my Sony Xperia Z3v to game assets dumps for Uta-Macross so i can have pull the 3D models and cards (very nice photos) from the game. to do this i need to have my sony phone rooted and i need to have Magisk so i can hide the root from Uta-Macross so i launch into the game to download the assests to do a dumb. everthing up to this point i have YET to understand what do at all. that link u give - https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/install.html says to this then go here then go here and do this over and over again never saying just do this, this, and this, and your done.

tankball said:
i saw that page and it makes no since to me. it still says i need a custom recovery also. i dont understand a single think. why cant they make it set-by-set?
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The instructions by @topjohnwu are pretty complete... They do assume that you are somewhat familiar with things like fastboot, but that is information that can easily be found by searching the big ol' interwebz.
Using a custom recovery is one of the ways of installing Magisk. If this is the route you really want to go I suggest you take a look in your device's forum here on XDA:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z3
That's usually a good first step since you'll likely find others discussing the same device specific topics.
But if you take a look again in the linked docs, you'll find that you can also use something called boot image patching (which doesn't require a custom recovery at all):
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/install.html#boot-image-patching
Rooting and tinkering with your device does require a certain level of knowledge about what you're doing. If you can't follow/understand the instructions available there's a good chance you might mess up your device. If you have your data backed up somewhere off the phone (which you should always have when playing with this stuff) you should be good since a complete and catastrophic failure is very unlikely. It's really annoying to have to set everything up from scratch though...

But if you take a look again in the linked docs said:
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/install.html#boot-image-patching[/url]
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i did see this. witch is want im thinking of doing. by "boot/recovery image" does it mean the stock rom for the phone? if so does this work sice my Xperia Z3v is on 5.1.1? - https://xperiastockrom.com/sony-xperia-z3v-d6708
also right now i went and removed everything from the phone when it comes to rooting, but kingroot (what a stupid name. i also unrooted the phone) and Magisk manager. i cuz i need to reroot my phone and get magisk manager back on my phone?

tankball said:
i did see this. witch is want im thinking of doing. by "boot/recovery image" does it mean the stock rom for the phone? if so does this work sice my Xperia Z3v is on 5.1.1? - https://xperiastockrom.com/sony-xperia-z3v-d6708
also right now i went and removed everything from the phone when it comes to rooting, but kingroot (what a stupid name. i also unrooted the phone) and Magisk manager. i cuz i need to reroot my phone and get magisk manager back on my phone?
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You'll need the boot image that corresponds to your currently installed firmware/ROM. If that is the firmware you have, then that should work.
You'll need to install the Manager again so that it can patch the image.
A small warning as you progress further: I've seen reports of old Sony devices having issues installing Magisk. Therefore it might be a good idea to visit the Z3 forums (linked in my previous post) and see if there's any information available on this before you continue. Doing proper research before committing always helps in the long run.

Didgeridoohan said:
You'll need the boot image that corresponds to your currently installed firmware/ROM. If that is the firmware you have, then that should work.
You'll need to install the Manager again so that it can patch the image.
A small warning as you progress further: I've seen reports of old Sony devices having issues installing Magisk. Therefore it might be a good idea to visit the Z3 forums (linked in my previous post) and see if there's any information available on this before you continue. Doing proper research before committing always helps in the long run.
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i should also root the phone again also?

tankball said:
i should also root the phone again also?
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No. If you want to install Magisk you should not install any other root solution.
Install the Manager.
Patch the boot image.
Flash the patched boot image to your device.
Those are the basics...

Didgeridoohan said:
No. If you want to install Magisk you should not install any other root solution.
Install the Manager.
Patch the boot image.
Flash the patched boot image to your device.
Those are the basics...
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ok now im lost again. to do date dumps for Uta-Macross i need a rooted phone so i can pull the files without windows again tard and saying "unknow error" when i go to copy the files from my phone. but to play this game i need to hide the root from Uta-Macross so i need to use Magisk. is Masgisk a root itself? im really lost again

Magisk provides a way to do systemless modifications to your device, it is a root solution in itself, and it has the ability to hide itself and it's components from most apps and services that look for a rooted or modded device.
This is kind of the basics, so I reallly suggest you do more research before continuing. The best source for information is the Magisk GitHub page:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk
Start there, take a look at the readme and the documentation available and continue searching for whatever other information you might need.
I'm not going to be available for further assistance for the next 8 to 9 hours (I hope, but that's entierly up to my little one). G'night.

nothing i did worked. the .zip fail or the D6708_23.4.B.0.319_1288-1477_R30C.ftf file in the .zip witch in the rom from the phone, it will ALWAYS say failed, unsupported/unknow image format.

Morning. Like I posted previously, old (and new) Sony devices have been known to have issues installing Magisk. Search your device's forum for Magisk related posts and you'll likely find the info you need.
Good luck.