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I just got a Developers Edition Moto X and I love the device, but coming from the HTC One, it has come as a shock to me how different each forum is.
I'm very surprised we haven't got a stock ROM for the 4.4.2 update that is flashable with TWRP/CWM.
Is it because of the locked bootloaders? Did the device not sell well?
From what I've read here is that most people are happy with the stock ROM with root. As the ROM is so close to Vanilla Android, there is not a lot of development in ROMs for this phone. Also most want to keep Active Display and/or the Touchless Controls. I just got an OTA for 4.2.2 on my retail unlocked Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
As far as the boot loader goes, to my knowledge only the Verizon retail and AT&T retail Moto X's are locked. All the other models can be unlocked by requesting the unlock code from Motorola. And I think the phone sold well. It definitely could have used a lot more marketing help to compete with the larger manufacturers.
sucks that mine is locked
zewone said:
I just got a Developers Edition Moto X and I love the device, but coming from the HTC One, it has come as a shock to me how different each forum is.
I'm very surprised we haven't got a stock ROM for the 4.4.2 update that is flashable with TWRP/CWM.
Is it because of the locked bootloaders? Did the device not sell well?
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I find that stock rooted with Xposed and the Gravity Box module are all I need ... I too got the dev edition as well, if for nothing else rooting after OTAs we be less of a hassle
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Well we do have a stock flashable 4.4.2 ROM there's actually 2 one for the 1052 and kangakat ,both are for the gsm version and I do believe they will also work on the CDMA variant If you swap out the build prop, we also have custom Roms, slimkat, cm11, gummy.pacman, Liquid smooth and beanstalk
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Hikikomori-Otaku said:
From what I've read here is that most people are happy with the stock ROM with root. As the ROM is so close to Vanilla Android, there is not a lot of development in ROMs for this phone. Also most want to keep Active Display and/or the Touchless Controls. I just got an OTA for 4.2.2 on my retail unlocked Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
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I completely agree with this. ROMs like CyanogenMod or AOKP aren't likely to support Active Displays, or "Okay Google Now" voice commands, or flicking the wrist to unlock the camera.
Also, I think the fact that there's a big split between the Dev Editions and Moto-Maker hurts things more. A lot of people of Moto-Maker, and they're very limited on what they can do with their phones compared to Dev Edition. Then you add in the fact that there are GSM/Verizon/Sprint versions all mixed AND the phone hasn't sold well, and things are very limited.
zewone said:
I just got a Developers Edition Moto X and I love the device, but coming from the HTC One, it has come as a shock to me how different each forum is.
I'm very surprised we haven't got a stock ROM for the 4.4.2 update that is flashable with TWRP/CWM.
Is it because of the locked bootloaders? Did the device not sell well?
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not to worry. even though a lot are pleased with stock out of the box, there will be ROMs. we can still tweak, improve, and slim it down some. i officially ordered mine yesterday and it is the DE/T-Mob variant XT1053.
just like others have said, the device hasn't been advertised as much as it should be, esp with the deals that keep going on with it. if it would stay at $300 for 16gb/$350 for 32gb, they would sell like hot cakes.
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I completely agree with this. ROMs like CyanogenMod or AOKP aren't likely to support Active Displays, or "Okay Google Now" voice commands, or flicking the wrist to unlock the camera.
Also, I think the fact that there's a big split between the Dev Editions and Moto-Maker hurts things more. A lot of people of Moto-Maker, and they're very limited on what they can do with their phones compared to Dev Edition. Then you add in the fact that there are GSM/Verizon/Sprint versions all mixed AND the phone hasn't sold well, and things are very limited.
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the GSM unlocked on Moto-Maker is the exact same as the Dev Edition. i think this is confusing a lot of people.
Kind of an off-topic question here, but I'm serious. The Moto X is nearly a year old, and has been rooted/bootloader unlocked since the beginning. Why does every good rom have some sort of hardware problem? (namely audio-related) Every rom I want to try, I back off because they are reported to be buggy. With my Atrix 4G, there were some amazing daily driver roms that I used. But there seems to be no rom that is stable enough to use for the Moto X, or am I wrong? Your guys input on the best current rom? I am willing to go the CM nightly route, because it intrigues me.
Stock stock stock. What's wrong with stock and Xposed? Stock rom is fast and stable. And technically a consumer edition Moto X is NOT bootloader Unlockable. Plus gaining root access is a PITA.
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Stock stock stock. What's wrong with stock and Xposed?
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Theming support with stock and Xposed sucks balls. I can't install any good theme. HKThemeManager gives me a "sh: applet not found" error when attempting to fix a theme (I have apktool installed properly and all Xposed modules updated), and most themes won't convert properly for XTheme Manager (errors on rebuild).
I miss being able to theme my phone like I could using 90% of the Atrix 4G roms with the CM/T-mobile theme engine. I really want to stay stock with my Moto X too, because of the motorola features, but the X-posed theme devs (Xtheme and HKTheme) seem to lack in support. XTheme Manager seems to have ceased in development, as it doesn't support CM11 and hasn't been updated in nearly a year. HKThemeManager is being updated recently, but my Moto X doesn't seem to work with it properly, and the developer is quite unresponsive and/or unable to help.
Even when a theme does work, it isn't "complete" like using it with the CM theme engine as intended (due to restrictions with Xposed.
If you have any thoughts on the matter, or other ideas, I'm all for it.
We have Eclipse! But in truth there have never been many "Booted" phones til lately.
K, we have cm, slim, aokp, gummy, PAC man....etc. But, most prefer stock, so they can keep their moto features....the reason many bought the phone. Also aosp/cm roms don't have the moto features.
There are a few stock based roms that have the moto features, but probably not the themes.
And many consumer moto x's can be unlocked, not just dev editions. Its only verizon, at&t and RW that can't be unlocked. Maybe a couple overseas kinds too.
And you can't flash any ROMs without root...and its getting to a point that without an unlocked bootloader, you won't have root.
Really gotta research before buying a phone these days. Forget root exploits, cause like the X, they may not work on future android versions. If you want root, get a phone that you definitely can unlock the bootloader. Nothing else is a sure thing.
kj2112 said:
Really gotta research before buying a phone these days.
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I bought the Verizon Moto X Developer Edition. I know what I'm doing. I'm just frustrated with Theme support for Xposed.
kj2112 said:
K, we have cm, slim, aokp, gummy, PAC man....etc.
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Most of those have a problem with speakerphone working, among other audio-related issues. Even some stock-based roms have issues. Seems like this phone just wasn't meant to be customized. To be honest, the phone runs amazingly. Battery life is shocking, to say the least. I just want more control over the appearance of my phone UI. That's all I want.. I just wondered if there was an answer to that besides buggy custom roms...
Do you think the "sh: applet not found" error I'm having with HKThemeManager might be related to me installing busybox with this?
Drakonas said:
I bought the Verizon Moto X Developer Edition. I know what I'm doing. I'm just frustrated with Theme support for Xposed.
Most of those have a problem with speakerphone working, among other audio-related issues. Even some stock-based roms have issues. Seems like this phone just wasn't meant to be customized. To be honest, the phone runs amazingly. Battery life is shocking, to say the least. I just want more control over the appearance of my phone UI. That's all I want.. I just wondered if there was an answer to that besides buggy custom roms...
Do you think the "sh: applet not found" error I'm having with HKThemeManager might be related to me installing busybox with this?
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I agree. The X is amazing....but....boring. Lol. That's why my wife happily took mine and I got an N5.
kj2112 said:
I agree. The X is amazing....but....boring. Lol. That's why my wife happily took mine and I got an N5.
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I probably should have gotten the N5... however I will wait to see what comes around for this phone..or if anything comes around for better theming on stock. (The Ex-Themer Xposed modules look promising) Don't exactly have the income to purchase another phone.
EDIT: Well apparently the HK Theme Manager developer either doesn't know what he's doing, or is developing with a pre-Jelly Bean phone, because his app is incorrectly writing files to my Moto X's SDCard.
"Incorrectly" as in not writing them at all. His app throws constant errors stating "File not found" with files the app should be creating. (for example: The copy of the extracted resources not being found before changing the files, or the apk that was repacked not being able to be found when trying to sign the apk)
Can someone that knows what they're doing step up to the plate and make a WORKING theme management Xposed module?! OMG. *Prepares to throw tables
I returned the N5 and got this phone, no regrets at all.
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If I wanted a Moto X without Moto X features, I would have bought a different phone.
eksasol said:
If I wanted a Moto X without Moto X features, I would have bought a different phone.
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But I don't want a Moto X without Moto X features. I want a Moto X with theming features that work, which doesn't seem to be a thing right now...
The development will flourish once Motorola ceases their support. And as far as I can say, we will have active display and TC as an inbuilt feature in the future versions of android as google has Already patented it. (for eg. you can see in Project Ara phones)
Necessity is the mother of invention, as you can see now there is no need for roms at the moment since stock is kickass, so less development.
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DaRkRhiNe said:
Necessity is the mother of invention, as you can see now there is no need for roms at the moment since stock is kickass, so less development.
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True, but my guess is that once TC and AD become fully available to custom rom devs, this phone's development goals will change, as I feel that those two features are the main reasons people are staying with stock.
Drakonas said:
True, but my guess is that once TC and AD become fully available to custom rom devs, this phone's development goals will change, as I feel that those two features are the main reasons people are staying with stock.
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After official updates end....people will have to pick: Moto x features, or latest greatest android version. Guarantee our X will stick with last update and keep the features.
Well, wife has it now....if it were mine when support ends, I'd probably flash the latest greatest and live without the moto features.
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if it were mine when support ends, I'd probably flash the latest greatest and live without the moto features.
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When this happens, do you think you'll go with a custom rom, or would nightly CM be something you would go with?
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When this happens, do you think you'll go with a custom rom, or would nightly CM be something you would go with?
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Nothing against CM....but I haven't used cm in a long time on any device. Just not for me.
But that's just me....many love it!
And I'm not into nightlies either....I prefer stable builds...even tho its less exciting. Lol
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And I'm not into nightlies either....I prefer stable builds...even tho its less exciting. Lol
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Yeah I would probably agree. I want a stable rom that I don't have to worry about. Granted this app makes me want to try CM out.
I'm just kind of surprised there isn't basic ROMs with simple features like advanced reboot, aosp data signal icons, volume warning removed, adblocking, basic things that people generally want. I know everyone says just use xposed but I really prefer to use ART.
This and the Nexus5 are the only phones I've had that didn't immediately get cm. Nightlies are great depending on the moderator and how often they update.
I don't see the point of CM on the MotoX. It's like replacing a bug free stock android build plus great features with a buggy stock android build with different, not as great features.
CM is great to replace bloated UI ROMs. *ahem *touchwiz. Once this phone becomes obsolete I'll probably get the fastest specced phone and CM it... or whatever Motorola puts out next
KJ said:
K, we have cm, slim, aokp, gummy, PAC man....etc. But, most prefer stock, so they can keep their moto features....the reason many bought the phone. Also aosp/cm roms don't have the moto features.
There are a few stock based roms that have the moto features, but probably not the themes.
And many consumer moto x's can be unlocked, not just dev editions. Its only verizon, at&t and RW that can't be unlocked. Maybe a couple overseas kinds too.
And you can't flash any ROMs without root...and its getting to a point that without an unlocked bootloader, you won't have root.
Really gotta research before buying a phone these days. Forget root exploits, cause like the X, they may not work on future android versions. If you want root, get a phone that you definitely can unlock the bootloader. Nothing else is a sure thing.
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Great points all around. My old reasoning for wanting roms on my old Razr M was to have a more updated version of Android. With the X I have that without the hassle.
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I know my moto x android version works flawlesly out of the box with some xposed mods just to personalize it, but today I decided to check the development section to see if there are some cool and interesting things to flash.
To my surprise I haven't seen much action there, I would have expected some port of firefox os or at least ubuntu (like there was for the Samsung Galaxy SIII) why is that? I'm not a developer so unfortunately I lack the knowledge to do something like that or I would.
Are there really no moto x owners wanting to try some (probably broken ) alternative OSes?
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I know my moto x android version works flawlesly out of the box with some xposed mods just to personalize it, but today I decided to check the development section to see if there are some cool and interesting things to flash.
To my surprise I haven't seen much action there, I would have expected some port of firefox os or at least ubuntu (like there was for the Samsung Galaxy SIII) why is that? I'm not a developer so unfortunately I lack the knowledge to do something like that or I would.
Are there really no moto x owners wanting to try some (probably broken ) alternative OSes?
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If you lack the knowledge, learn lol.. Not all of the Moto x can get an unlocked bootloader so development is restricted or limited to a certain extent for some devices like the Verizon Moto X or the ATT version . But even though that's no excuse, most people prefer stock and decide not to go through the hassle of porting a different OS. Just my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone.
Lack of interest, most likely. Firefox OS is a little pointless on devices with the hardware spec to run Android without batting an eyelash. As for Ubuntu Touch, there are a lot of devices not seeing it just due to a lack of interest in the OS itself from a lot of people (sadly). Only the most popular devices are likely to see ports of it.
That being said, I'd love to see Ubuntu Touch on Moto X, it's one of a few reasons I originally considered getting a Nexus 5 when i decided to get my Moto X.
Any non stock based ROMs we have still have major issues after a year.....can you imagine the issues with anything out of the ordinary like Ubuntu, Miui and other very different systems.
The X is just not a phone for developers or flashaholics. Its best run stock, (or stock based roms) maybe with Xposed for extra features. No one wants to lose their moto features either, and you only will have those on stock or stock based ROMs.
Things may change after the X stops getting updates. You may see more development then.
I have always wanted to run Ubuntu touch. I am trying to get it to work on my Samsung note pro but the selinux enforcement is a road block.
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The X is just not a phone for developers or flashaholics.
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It's a phone that cures flashaholics
chaoslimits said:
It's a phone that cures flashaholics
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There's definitely a strong incentive to stay stock on the X.....but it didn't cure me unfortunately. I gave it to my wife, got an N5, installed multirom and have 4 ROMs installed on it as we speak. Lol
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There's definitely a strong incentive to stay stock on the X.....but it didn't cure me unfortunately. I gave it to my wife, got an N5, installed multirom and have 4 ROMs installed on it as we speak. Lol
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N5 is really tempting (or it would be if I wasn't on Verizon).
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N5 is really tempting (or it would be if I wasn't on Verizon).
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Yes, strange they can't be used on such a large carrier.
KJ said:
There's definitely a strong incentive to stay stock on the X.....but it didn't cure me unfortunately. I gave it to my wife, got an N5, installed multirom and have 4 ROMs installed on it as we speak. Lol
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You are a FLash drunken then XD
ive been eyeing swappa listings for 2013 nexus 7s just to run Ubuntu touch, firefox and Android L preview.
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
nhizzat said:
1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
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Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
I got a brand new one on Ebay a month ago for $200. It was the XT1053.
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marsisabar said:
Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
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How much are you gonna complain at the guy giving you free help? I apologize that his free help wasn't exactly as you expected...
The camera is bad by modern standards but will totally take pictures of what you point it at. Unless the picture has very good composition, landscape scenes are a bit of a let down... Ive noticed that macro pictures look pretty good. Not the best camera if you are trying to be a photographer.... But will totally work to show your buddies a picture of what you drew on that passed out guy at the party...
There is a super long thread called show of pictures you snapped with the moto x....
Otherwise, as he said developer edition is policy only (other then color and automatic 32gig). The only difference is that when you unlock moto will still honor your warrenty (and on vzw, ect they allow you to unlock)
Ton here.... Just read through the forums for a while. Thats what I did.
Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
Just to reiterate, only hardware difference is the 32gb while other moto Xs may be 16,32, or 64. Other difference is the white back/black front and "developer Edition" printed on the back. Camera isn't bad in my opinion but certainly not iphone level. Like everyone said, policy advantage that you can unlock the bootloader etc. Don't think there are that many roms but I'm betting you won't need them. Stock is fast and smooth, and you don't want to lose the Moto features. Any customization you need is possible through Xposed and gravity box. This phone cured me and many other flashaholics. Best phone I've ever had so far.
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marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
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Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
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3. Saying 'subjective' doesn't help. I actually am looking for your subjective opinions. That's why I'm asking here.
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
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Finally a normal person responds. Thank you That's just the answer I was looking for. Stay cool [emoji106]
marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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There are 2 Developer Editions of the 2013 X.. A GSM and a "for Verizon". All the GSM editions only come with Black Face, Woven White back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), come as 32gig only, and their warranty is not voided when unlocking their bootloader. Other than that they are the same as others. Just like the "Unlocked ships with XXX Sim" from Moto Maker, and/or a "T-Mobile" variant, the GSM Dev Edition is the XT1053. All these XT1053 units use the SAME ROM/SBF files. Just like the Moto Maker or in-Store version of the Verizon X, the Dev Edition for Verizon is an XT1060. These XT1060 units all use the SAME ROM/SBF files.
Oh, and because of this, the Dev Editions receive their OTA updates on the same schedule as their retail and moto maker counter parts.
Rogers sells/uses the XT1058, it supports different LTE bands than the XT1053 and XT1060, so you need to see exactly what Rogers is using today vs what the XT1053 or XT1060 support, and is it important to you, or how will that impact you. (there is a Wikipedia page on the X which does list the bands the models support, I just don't know where to tell you to find exactly which bands Rogers uses today, and might roll out in the future). NOTE: The Rogers XT1058 can have its bootloader unlocked for free from Moto's web site, but it does void the phone's warranty
in my experience (dating back to my Moto V710), Cameras in moto's phones have always lagged behind the competition. The X is no exception. Is it worthless? No. But if its not perfect conditions, you'll likely be disappointed. For outdoor, sunny day and perfectly lit situations, it takes great pictures. For Indoors, or cloudy day, or back lit, its not as good. There is a thread of pix taken with the X in the general section, but I've not had as good of luck with mine as pix you'll see in that thread (I don't retouch or edit after taking) as many have posted in that thread. As for lollipop camera, no idea until it gets here. And I don't use CM.
Lollipop is out for the 2014 X (aka 2nd gen), but not the 2013 X (aka 1st gen) yet. No word on when it will be out. But moto has said it will be coming.
Already answered in #3 and #4
Arrogance? I once had all the same questions. Guess what I did? I searched and read then made an informed decision. The only difference being that I bought the phone when there was a lot less information available. You have the luxury of having a year and a half of information at your disposal from all over the internet.
If you can't find answers with that much information at your fingertips, how does that make me arrogant? I don't pretend to know more than you, I just believe in being logical and taking responsibility. If the phone is highly recommended and leads you to buy it, then what would you say or do if you find the phone doesn't suit your needs or doesn't meet your expectations? Would you ask strangers about anything and accept what they say as true without confirming the information yourself? Or would you buy something because a stranger recommended that you do?
I asked for advice and you gave "google it, google it, its subjective, what do you want from me"
You definitely have an attitude problem. It doesn't belong on XDA where the community is typically about discussing and sharing advice and opinion.
I'm glad you got your answers from google. This is still a Q&A forum. Fix your attitude, its also in the rules.
I've had a nexus 6 for a while, but it started acting up and I -really- missed my moto x. Unfortunately, I had accidentally let it OTA back in to locked bootloader land some time when I was messing with it over the last couple years.
I just bought a dev edition and to my surprise, it wouldn't OTA to 5.1, and stopped at like 4.4. I've searched and searched, but can't seem to find out if it's even possible to have 5.1 on this device.
I really want to use android auto, and that requires at least lollipop
I could try another ROM, but honestly these days stock roms are a lot smoother than they used to be and I know everything I need will work.
Can verizon dev editions get 5.1?
Out of the custom ROMs, are any well vetted enough that things like VoLTE and wifi android auto will "just work"?
Thanks XDA!
AFIK VoLTE is not supported on Moto X and Yes lollipop is available on Verizon version.
Just look at stock image on ROM section and they have Verizon firmware
I'm running 5.1 on my Verizon XT1060. Latest "official" image posted from Motorola is all the way back at 4.4.2. I use it combined with xposed and gravitybox. Still use the XT1060 as my daily phone. Waiting for something in the same size, quality, and better performance to arrive... but I think we're out of luck; phablets are all the rage.