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I've just seen a Miracast set top box from Netgear. This could be the solution to the missing HDMI out of the Nexus 7!
http://www.netgear.de/products/home/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
Can anyone remember nVidias demo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52zqNIeQso
Let's hope it will work SOON!!!
towlie288 said:
Hey,
I've just seen a Miracast set top box from Netgear. This could be the solution to the missing HDMI out of the Nexus 7!
http://www.netgear.de/products/home/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
Can anyone remember nVidias demo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52zqNIeQso
Let's hope it will work SOON!!!
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It sais you need aNotebook, Smartphone or Tablet with Intel® WiDi oder Miracast™,
does our Nexus 7 has Inel WiDi or Miracast?
Is it just Software or do you need special Hardware Support for that?
It would be nice if i could stream from my Laptop or my Galaxy SII as well.
fryroyal said:
It sais you need aNotebook, Smartphone or Tablet with Intel® WiDi oder Miracast™,
does our Nexus 7 has Inel WiDi or Miracast?
Is it just Software or do you need special Hardware Support for that?
It would be nice if i could stream from my Laptop or my Galaxy SII as well.
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Did you watch the Video? The Tegra 3 can do it. I don't know more... but I hope there will be a software update to do it.
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i do know the tegra 3 is miracast capable i dont think i can post a link so ill just post what i found, this is dated july 27 2012.
Nvidia, a member of the Wi-Fi Alliance, announced that it's supporting the new Miracast WiFi-Direct based protocol which is expected to launch by the Wi-Fi Alliance within the next few months.
For the uninitiated, Miracast will be an open standard, so any mobile device or display manufacturer will be able to implement the technology. It will also be a direct competitor to closed eco-systems like Intel's WiDi and Apple's AirPlay which enable users to wirelessly stream videos and games to external displays.
There are also other open standards for streaming media such as DLNA, but these are plagued with interoperability issues that have limited their traction in the market place. To address the limitations of these solutions, the Wi-Fi Alliance created its upcoming open wireless display standard called Miracast.
"Underpinning the Miracast specification is Wi-Fi Direct – a specification defined for peer-to-peer, direct wireless connectivity between devices," Nvidia said on Thursday in its whitepaper. "Miracast Certified devices will be able to connect with each other directly, without the mediation of a wireless access point, by leveraging the functionality introduced by Wi-Fi Direct. When two devices connect with each other directly, one assumes the role of the source (transmitting device) and the other becomes a sink (the devices receiving and rendering the content to the user)."
Nvidia said that it has developed a Miracast wireless display stack that is Tegra 3 optimized and can be integrated into the Tegra mobile platform. This source-side solution enables tablet and phone OEMs to implement a Miracast certifiable product by combining the Tegra application processor and compatible Tegra Android BSP package just as they do today.
"The Tegra optimized Miracast solution is comprised of two major components – the multimedia (video/audio) processing block and the industry compliant wireless display networking stack," Nvidia explained. "The multimedia processing block takes advantage of Tegra’s multi-core graphics engine and dedicated hardware video/audio codecs to accelerate the decoding of video content, render graphics surfaces and perform the final compositing operations before encoding into a H.264 bit stream to be wirelessly transmitted."
We are miracast certified, however there needs to be an app to activate this tech for us, I believe, but if they have the set top box, chances are there's an app for it, too.
All I can say is, yay! Step in the right direction. -Ara
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Hopefully it isn't $99. Maybe $49. I'm not paying a ton of money just to get video to my TV. $50 tops.
How is the 3000 compared to the PTV2000 that is already available at Best Buy and stuff?
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/media-players/PTV2000.aspx
I don't see the PTV3000 on the US site.
The PTV2000 is $99 at Best Buy. eff that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/NETGEAR...309756217&skuId=2103213&st=netgear&cp=1&lp=22
Is this to mirror the display? Like HDMI?
Or is it just a file viewer? Like DLNA?
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Is this to mirror the display? Like HDMI?
Or is it just a file viewer? Like DLNA?
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Miracast is a new standard for wireless display. So basically a mirrored image or maybe a second screen. I'm hoping I could widi a video and control it all with my tablet/phone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd6PkRqNxs0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
That's how you play full hd shows/movies/music with no dramas its been around for ages. Best part is wd keep updating the firmware so it plays anything I throw at it.
Gaming well you can't do that but if you can't see the 7" screen right in front of you well you'd probably find it more beneficial to invest in glasses.
It also has some other benefits too, bubble upnp is one of the best things I have come across.
Wdtvlive and Bubble upnp a match made in Sofia Vergara's underpants.
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player911 said:
Hopefully it isn't $99. Maybe $49. I'm not paying a ton of money just to get video to my TV. $50 tops.
How is the 3000 compared to the PTV2000 that is already available at Best Buy and stuff?
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/media-players/PTV2000.aspx
I don't see the PTV3000 on the US site.
The PTV2000 is $99 at Best Buy. eff that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/NETGEAR...309756217&skuId=2103213&st=netgear&cp=1&lp=22
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The difference is that only the ptv3000 is miracast capable. At least that's what the product page says. I've already written an email to net gear Germany to ask them about this box. As soon as I have an answer I will post it.
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Cl8rs said:
Is this to mirror the display? Like HDMI?
Or is it just a file viewer? Like DLNA?
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Did you watch the YouTube video in the first post?
There you see what you can do with tegra 3 and miracast.
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towlie288 said:
Did you watch the YouTube video in the first post?
There you see what you can do with tegra 3 and miracast.
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Got it. I didn't see the video.
So I am assuming this is the first TV Box(similar to like a Roku or something) that allows us to wirelessly display our Nexus to our HDTV? That's what I am seeing. Also it's only in Germany at the moment.
But the question is, do our Nexus 7's natively support something like this? I am assuming this needs development, like an app or software update.
Any news on this?
Not sure I see the point of this. I already have a WD Live that can stream all my video from my PC to my TV. Why would I put video on my N7, then send to my TV when I can just send it directly to my TV? Even the 16 GB N7 can maybe just barely hold a decently encoded movie at full 1080p. I just don't think I have any content on my N7 that cannot be sent to my TV in an easier, higher quality way.
Edit: Been thinking about this. Seriously, what do you use it for? The only thing I could come up with is letting your friends watch you play a game on the tablet or something. Every other scenario I can think of has a better solution.
brizey said:
Not sure I see the point of this. I already have a WD Live that can stream all my video from my PC to my TV. Why would I put video on my N7, then send to my TV when I can just send it directly to my TV? Even the 16 GB N7 can maybe just barely hold a decently encoded movie at full 1080p. I just don't think I have any content on my N7 that cannot be sent to my TV in an easier, higher quality way.
Edit: Been thinking about this. Seriously, what do you use it for? The only thing I could come up with is letting your friends watch you play a game on the tablet or something. Every other scenario I can think of has a better solution.
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It's not only for videos. I have a tf101 transformer and used it to give presentations at the university with HDMI out. The point is to mirror the screen content of your device and not only play back media.
And it looks promising with the low latency.
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towlie288 said:
It's not only for videos. I have a tf101 transformer and used it to give presentations at the university with HDMI out. The point is to mirror the screen content of your device and not only play back media.
And it looks promising with the low latency.
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My thoughts too, I am looking forward to be able to mirror my N7 screen to my 46" TV.
brizey said:
Not sure I see the point of this. I already have a WD Live that can stream all my video from my PC to my TV. Why would I put video on my N7, then send to my TV when I can just send it directly to my TV? Even the 16 GB N7 can maybe just barely hold a decently encoded movie at full 1080p. I just don't think I have any content on my N7 that cannot be sent to my TV in an easier, higher quality way.
Edit: Been thinking about this. Seriously, what do you use it for? The only thing I could come up with is letting your friends watch you play a game on the tablet or something. Every other scenario I can think of has a better solution.
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Emulation Gaming. Plug your tablet up to the TV and use a PS3 gamepad for true retro couch gaming.
I don't stream movies and such, as I'd rather just watch them off the device.
I'm curious about this as well.
Here's some more info about it that I dug up from arstechnica.
In most cases, Miracast can be implemented in software alone, Robinson said. It has a head start, because Android already supports WiFi Direct since version 4.0 . But hardware modifications will help optimize devices for the type of compression, decoding, and encoding Miracast equipment will have to perform, he said.
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http://arstechnica.com/information-...-promises-video-streaming-without-the-router/
It would be cool if there was a software update that could enable this for the Nexus 7! The Netgear box looks small and portable too.
towlie288 said:
Hey,
I've just seen a Miracast set top box from Netgear. This could be the solution to the missing HDMI out of the Nexus 7!
http://www.netgear.de/products/home/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
Can anyone remember nVidias demo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52zqNIeQso
Let's hope it will work SOON!!!
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I've been watching for (complete) Miracast solutions for a while now. This capability is already starting to play a big role in education on the iPad courtesy of AirPlay mirroring. I have no idea why other vendors are sitting on this.
Anyway, the NTV200S is supposed to be compatible with a firmware update. Some more info here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5957/...otv-pro-ntv200s-widi-and-media-streamer-combo
Another big feature that miracast will add is the ability to display your phone's display on your tablet. This way you could always be on your tablet, but at anytime access all the features of your phone.
terminal addict said:
I've been watching for (complete) Miracast solutions for a while now. This capability is already starting to play a big role in education on the iPad courtesy of AirPlay mirroring. I have no idea why other vendors are sitting on this.
Anyway, the NTV200S is supposed to be compatible with a firmware update. Some more info here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5957/...otv-pro-ntv200s-widi-and-media-streamer-combo
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Thanks for the info, I really hope they bring something working soon !
In my area Time Warner Cable has blacked out CBS... so today I can't watch the US Open games being televised by CBS. Chromecast to the rescue... just go to the US Open Live Streaming site and cast it to your TV.
Oh my it is so choppy. I have a pretty new router that I bought last year and 20 mbps internet yet it's really broken up. I'm the only one using the internet, too. When I just stream it on my computer monitor it's amazingly HD with no problems at all.
That being said CBS is back on Time Warner anyway so it's all good. It would have been funny especially seeing the TWC logo all over the US open as they're a sponsor, yet TWC wouldn't have been able to show the US Open for their customers.
yahoowizard said:
Oh my it is so choppy. I have a pretty new router that I bought last year and 20 mbps internet yet it's really broken up. I'm the only one using the internet, too. When I just stream it on my computer monitor it's amazingly HD with no problems at all.
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The limitation is caused by the CPU of your computer not your internet speed. It is hard to really have a smooth experience with video on the Chromecast using screen casting no matter what CPU you use.
Well my CPU is pretty good. My computer's just a little bit over five years old but it's still a good custom built gaming computer, so I doubt that's the issue.
yahoowizard said:
Well my CPU is pretty good. My computer's just a little bit over five years old but it's still a good custom built gaming computer, so I doubt that's the issue.
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That is absolutely the issue. Search the threads in this forum. It is having to transcode in realtime which is very difficult to do. That is why screen casting will never be smooth.
The Apple TV seems to do it really well, and I'm not sure how far it is specs wise but it doesn't seem like that much. Although I'm sure the Apple TV tries to steal a lot of the bandwidth in exchange for amazing quality. We have an Apple TV here and the mirroring is just wonderful but of course not much I can do with my phone on it. Chromecast can't seem to handle the scrolling on webpages perfectly yet while the Apple TV shows stuff like Fruit Ninja with absolutely no lag. Hopefully it's just a software issue that gets resolved soon.
I think it's the same with FaceTime as well with the large bandwidth take but the quality on that is amazing as well. Haven't really seen anything to match the quality of that, even when it's something like Tango or Skype or Hangouts on super fast internet vs. Facetime on ****ty internet, Facetime seems to do better. And it's not just a matter of better, it's like super high frames per second and HD quality as though playing a video on Youtube or something.
So I just got my cc a few days ago and am loving it.. Having sunk money into plexpass membership I'm happy with everything so far but there are 2 things I'd like to see added..
1) local PC gameplay casting. I tried casting the full desktop and playing a game in windowed mode and I could see the game but the frame rate was terrible. Surely if casting was buildt into something like open broadcast software or nvidias showplay . that would be ideal for spectator purposes as there are times my girlfriend likes to watch me play games but doesn't want to sit at the computer to do so. I know twitch is coming but It doesnt need it to be streamed out to twitch to be casted back into my house..
2) the ability to cast video from various sources ( hulu,Netflix and plex) but keep audio playing locally. Something akin to what the roku 3 does with their remote. But also adding a party mode example ( me and gf watch same show using our headphones plugged into our phones so we doesn't wake our children with loud movies.
I'm not sure if either features are coming but it would be awesome.
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1) Non-Android twitch isn't coming unless Google does something miraculous.
Would be awesome to see Nvidia jump on board and support ShadowPlay casting to Chromecast though.
2) Chromecast's platform (I believe) is capable of Bluetooth, but I don't think it's turned on. It's possible Google will add it. The tricky part is just syncing the audio and video since the Bluetooth audio is delayed. Well, that and little things like whether all the code fits in the available storage, heh. The Roku remote with audio is a pretty darn cool feature. Since our phones/tablets are our remotes, it would be awesome to have the option for streaming audio there. We'll see...
My number one is to be able to download my google purchases locally and stream them through my network because my internet connection sucks but my network can easily handle HD streams locally. This would keep me off the torrents for good...
Would kill for MLB at bat app to stream on chromecast. It crashes for me on two different phones using mhl cables... :-/
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greeg32 said:
Would kill for MLB at bat app to stream on chromecast. It crashes for me on two different phones using mhl cables... :-/
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Good luck greg. I need it to see the Tigers....The cables ar about as reliable as an M16 in the mud.
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just a heads up, MLB At Bat 2014 now had chromecast support......just stumbled on it tonight, myself.
I am in the market for a cheap laptop, but having recently acquired a chromecast, I'd like it to be powerful enough to tabcast HD video.
Many of the cheaper machines have an i5-4200U processor. This has a 1.6GHz clock speed, with a turbo mode speed of 2.6GHz.
The tabcasting min specs say 2GHz for an i5, so I'm not sure whether the i5-4200U would be powerful enough.
Has anyone here tried one?
AleT said:
I am in the market for a cheap laptop, but having recently acquired a chromecast, I'd like it to be powerful enough to tabcast HD video.
Many of the cheaper machines have an i5-4200U processor. This has a 1.6GHz clock speed, with a turbo mode speed of 2.6GHz.
The tabcasting min specs say 2GHz for an i5, so I'm not sure whether the i5-4200U would be powerful enough.
Has anyone here tried one?
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Difficult to say. If your intent is to tab-cast a video, I would say that's probably not enough CPU horsepower.
The minimum tab-casting spec is likely just for casting a static tab (like a web page), not including the additional CPU load for video playback.
Do you have a specific use case in mind?
bhiga said:
Difficult to say. If your intent is to tab-cast a video, I would say that's probably not enough CPU horsepower.
The minimum tab-casting spec is likely just for casting a static tab (like a web page), not including the additional CPU load for video playback.
Do you have a specific use case in mind?
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Hi,
I want to cast sites that don't yet have casting enabled natively, like like itvplayer, BTSport and 4od (UK only). Mainly flash based video.
I can cast a static tab using a ~6yr old celeron laptop, but if I try one of these video sites, it stutters and tells me my computer may not be fast enough.
The minimum spec I quoted is from https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/3209990?hl=en, and refers to tabcasting high quality video.
AleT said:
Hi,
I want to cast sites that don't yet have casting enabled natively, like like itvplayer, BTSport and 4od (UK only). Mainly flash based video.
I can cast a static tab using a ~6yr old celeron laptop, but if I try one of these video sites, it stutters and tells me my computer may not be fast enough.
The minimum spec I quoted is from https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/3209990?hl=en, and refers to tabcasting high quality video.
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Ahh, I see. Then you might be okay, though it's always nice to have more "headroom."
Definitely make sure you have 4 GB or more RAM and of course 64-bit Windows, rather than 32-bit.
Best if the hardware can provide hardware acceleration for Flash as well.
I tab-cast from my desktop system, i5-3570K 4.2 GHz. It still stutters slightly, no difference at 720p or 480p, even though the overall CPU utilization stays low. I keep retesting with each new update of the Google Cast extension, but there hasn't been any improvement.
Plex can cast the same video stream to the Chromecast from the same desktop computer without stuttering. It's just poor coding by Google.
Raw GHz isn't really the best measure of performance anyway. The i5 notebook will definitely be good enough for 480p, not sure about HD. Also Windows 8.1 supports wireless screen sharing so if you can find an affordable receiver you'd get smoother results that way.
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DJames1 said:
I tab-cast from my desktop system, i5-3570K 4.2 GHz. It still stutters slightly, no difference at 720p or 480p, even though the overall CPU utilization stays low. I keep retesting with each new update of the Google Cast extension, but there hasn't been any improvement.
Plex can cast the same video stream to the Chromecast from the same desktop computer without stuttering. It's just poor coding by Google.
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The stuttering with Tab Casting has more to do with the method they are using to stream as it does the power of the machine doing the streaming...
Tab Casting is (I Think it is anyway) using an M-JPEG to stream to the CCast...
Which is just what it sounds like sending JPG frames in series like it's some sort of Webcam.
If anyone is interested to see how well Dungeon Defenders Eternity runs on the Nvidia Shield Tablet in console mode through HDMI.
Looks really great on the K1!! I've been playing this on my Shield Portable and I'm loving it. I just wish more games like this were ported to the handheld.
BerryAl said:
Looks really great on the K1!! I've been playing this on my Shield Portable and I'm loving it. I just wish more games like this were ported to the handheld.
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I really wish they would've allowed Single Player though, I rarely have WiFi when I am playing games on my Shield Portable
Wow I may have to get this for my portable but I'm definitely getting it when I get my shield tablet
Is this game choppy when playing on the TV?
I found many games to be choppy/dropping fps making the game stutter for 0.025 sec without a reason when playing on the built in screen...games like Dead Trigger 2, Horn, Walking Dead.
Trine 2 also feels choppy at some points (especially the intro video).
Are all the controls mapped or did you have to set up anything using the mapper? I tried Order and Chaos on my Shield portable and it was a pain. This looks pretty fun though.
Is this the same as the old one our like the new one on PC?
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Is this game choppy when playing on the TV?
I found many games to be choppy/dropping fps making the game stutter for 0.025 sec without a reason when playing on the built in screen...games like Dead Trigger 2, Horn, Walking Dead.
Trine 2 also feels choppy at some points (especially the intro video).
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It depends on the map and how hectic it gets. It is generally smooth and a very enjoyable experience. I actually prefer playing on the TV through my tablet than on my PC. Just make sure it is on console mode and not mirror mode.
There are resolution sliders and performance tweaks you can turn on and off to get the experience you want. I ended up lowering the resolution and turning off shadows to get better framerates on bigger maps. I'll actually make a newer video to show the difference (I actually can't notice any difference while playing).
Evo_Shift said:
Are all the controls mapped or did you have to set up anything using the mapper? I tried Order and Chaos on my Shield portable and it was a pain. This looks pretty fun though.
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Controllers works without having to remap anything. There are options in-game to remap buttons if needed.
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Is this the same as the old one our like the new one on PC?
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It is like the new one on PC. In the video I posted I am playing with other PC users.
Sweet I'm in!
I love it on my tablet much more fun to play while on my lunch break at work
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I have a question, anyone know if it's possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to play this game on my shield tablet?
Not as awesome as I remember. Game is very laggy.
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I have a question, anyone know if it's possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to play this game on my shield tablet?
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The game defaults to controller use with no way to set up a keyboard/mouse.
I refunded this game after playing a few matches, it lagged and it was not because of system lag it was server lag because of their stupid always online drm. I have really fast internet too 60/10 so that is pretty lame.
hairdewx said:
If anyone is interested to see how well Dungeon Defenders Eternity runs on the Nvidia Shield Tablet in console mode through HDMI.
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You only uploaded/recorded the gameplay in 720p though and not 1080 (what it is capable of over HDMI). I do appreciate the upload but for those looking to see how it looks, it will actually look even better than what's displayed in the video.