Still worth buying the International models? - T-Mobile Note 7 Questions & Answers

For my US and Canadian Friends - Do you guys think it's still worth buying the International F and FD models with no warranties in the US and Canada, and possible band incompatibility, now that the Sprint and ATT (T-Mobile coming up shortly) variants have Root via the EngBoot? Or you guys think that method will be patched soon enough and the future of Development and Root for the US and CA variants will be 0 to none like the S7 and S7E models?
Thanks for your input!

The thing I'm still curious about is the compatibility with our bands, although it's a software thing. Hardware wise we should be covered. Only time will tell.
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ProFragger said:
For my US and Canadian Friends - Do you guys think it's still worth buying the International F and FD models with no warranties in the US and Canada, and possible band incompatibility, now that the Sprint and ATT (T-Mobile coming up shortly) variants have Root via the EngBoot? Or you guys think that method will be patched soon enough and the future of Development and Root for the US and CA variants will be 0 to none like the S7 and S7E models?
Thanks for your input!
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It should work with T-mobile bands however, now that root is achieved on most variants it's really up to you. International version has better dev support but you pay out right for it. If roms aren't your cup of tea then T-mobile might be the way to go. Upfront it's cheaper and there is root....just no flashing unless you use fireflash

fogame said:
It should work with T-mobile bands however, now that root is achieved on most variants it's really up to you. International version has better dev support but you pay out right for it. If roms aren't your cup of tea then T-mobile might be the way to go. Upfront it's cheaper and there is root....just no flashing unless you use fireflash
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fogame said:
Lol responded to this on the T-mobile thread as well. If you want dev support I'd go for it. If not and just root, then go for the carrier version. They are all the same on the inside, minus the radio antenna, however it should work with the proper software.
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Thanks bud! The root isn't that great on the local variants though, is it? I mean, you get the debug version of the ROM with extra binaries. It will likely get patched, so we'll lose root quickly I think? Finally, no Samsung Pay any way, with the Rooted ROM, right?
Lastly - None of the International variants will working on Verizon, right?

ProFragger said:
Thanks bud! The root isn't that great on the local variants though, is it? I mean, you get the debug version of the ROM with extra binaries. It will likely get patched, so we'll lose root quickly I think? Finally, no Samsung Pay any way, with the Rooted ROM, right?
Lastly - None of the International variants will working on Verizon, right?
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You do lose Samsung and Android pay. Root is good from what I hear. No mention of bugs or experience lacking so far. Not sure if it will work on VZW. Should though.
I'll respond on the other thread so everyone can see it to.

Here is a link to the spec between n930t and the n930f.
http://www.phonemore.com/compare/ph...30t-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-7-sm-n930f/3665280

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[Q] How can I root my galaxy note (Korean LTE version, SHV-E160L)

I tried many methods for rooting.
But I failed every time.
Can anybody help for root my galaxy note?
I will provide files and informations that you request.
Plz, Help me and korean users.
Thank you.
neuromoon said:
I tried many methods for rooting.
But I failed every time.
Can anybody help for root my galaxy note?
I will provide files and informations that you request.
Plz, Help me and korean users.
Thank you.
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Sadly for Koreans, the version of the Note sold over there, well, frankly sucks. (No offence...) It's a prime example of why NO ONE, should EVER buy a carrier locked/subsidized device, even though it's cheaper up front; your **** get's locked down, features don't work, and not everything is what you'd expect as a customer. Not to mention, bye-bye unlimited data...
Anyway, getting back on topic. The Korean Note, as I understand it, uses a Qualcomm chipset, so possibly try using root methods for another device with a similar chipset? Maybe you could try the rooting method for an AT&T LTE Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket)?
Good luck!
P.S. In the future, boycott carrier subsidized devices. Buy unlocked. Buying subsidized devices just gives carriers more power over consumer choices, and thus more power to regulate what people can/can't buy, and what they can/can't do with their devices.
I am in exactly the same situation and havent had any luck with rooting mine either, any help is appreciated.
yes i wish i had not impulse bought this device and looked into it a bit more and got the n7000 instead
You can try, a method t hav mentioned in How to Root + CWM in my signature
In 16 nov edit section of that post i hav edited new method yesterday call unlockroot.exe, you may try it, i hav read it can root SHV 110, 120S, 120L, but am not sure about your device.
Gave that one a shot sadly no luck
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Sadly for Koreans, the version of the Note sold over there, well, frankly sucks. (No offence...) It's a prime example of why NO ONE, should EVER buy a carrier locked/subsidized device, even though it's cheaper up front; your **** get's locked down, features don't work, and not everything is what you'd expect as a customer. Not to mention, bye-bye unlimited data...
Anyway, getting back on topic. The Korean Note, as I understand it, uses a Qualcomm chipset, so possibly try using root methods for another device with a similar chipset? Maybe you could try the rooting method for an AT&T LTE Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket)?
Good luck!
P.S. In the future, boycott carrier subsidized devices. Buy unlocked. Buying subsidized devices just gives carriers more power over consumer choices, and thus more power to regulate what people can/can't buy, and what they can/can't do with their devices.
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Hi there!
May I ask you your source where they said the Korean Note comes "locked" ?
Just curious coz I heard they werent
markmessier8888 said:
Hi there!
May I ask you your source where they said the Korean Note comes "locked" ?
Just curious coz I heard they werent
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I said "locked/subsidized."
If you bought your device to work with a particular carrier over there, and/or received it at a discounted price as part of an agreement with your carrier, or if it is in any way carrier branded, then it is subsidized, whether locked or not.
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I said "locked/subsidized."
If you bought your device to work with a particular carrier over there, and/or received it at a discounted price as part of an agreement with your carrier, or if it is in any way carrier branded, then it is subsidized, whether locked or not.
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Oh I see.
Well I did in fact get a Note that is branded. I really only worried about it being unlocked.
In your opinion, what would be the best way to find out?
The seller at the shop didnt seem to know much about that and language was also an issue
markmessier8888 said:
Oh I see.
Well I did in fact get a Note that is branded. I really only worried about it being unlocked.
In your opinion, what would be the best way to find out?
The seller at the shop didnt seem to know much about that and language was also an issue
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Easiest way to tell is to see if the SIM card from a different carrier works.
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Easiest way to tell is to see if the SIM card from a different carrier works.
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So I can try a SIM from a different carry in the same country Im in or from my home country?
I think the Note has a micro SIM or something
markmessier8888 said:
So I can try a SIM from a different carry in the same country Im in or from my home country?
I think the Note has a micro SIM or something
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any sim from any other network other than the one you got the phone from
Does anyone have any links or info on the Korean sites that possibly show the Korean model being rooted?
Its hard to believe the Korean version isnt able to be rooted yet by someone considering the amount of Notes sold in Korea as well as it being one the top leading computer using countries
Anyone out there with any root info for korean note?????? No root sucks
make it work on 3g simcard
is there anyway to make this model work on 3g network? 4g blows and no unlimited data.
Shouldnt I be able to root the Korean Note, IfF i download the Korean Note driver from the Korean webpage and use the most up to date SuperOneClick version????
Hi... same problem here... I am also looking forward to root my korean galaxy note. And as far as I know... it is NOT possible right now. So ... let`s just have a cup of tea and wait...
yeah guess we will need to wait
For those of us living in Korea, the most reliable way to root the Samsung family of devices is to flash a custom kernel that allows root. The boot-loader is not locked so it is only a matter of finding a trusted source.
That being said, Tegrak has been very reliable since support from the original Galaxy S thru SII and now international version of the note. I've read his site (in Korean) and he has a placeholder for the Korean versions of the note (SHV-E160S, SHV-E160K, SHV-E160L). The page says that he needs someone to send him a copy of the original firmware so that he can modify it with his additions prior to posting it for general download.
I don't have a note currently (although I am now considering one). If anyone would like to get this rolling, please contact him at [email protected]. He speaks fluent Korean & English so communication shouldn't be an issue. I know he supports over a dozen phone models currently. He posts updated kernels every time a supported model receives a firmware update. I don't imagine he owns over a dozen phones so I have to assume [we] help him by submitting source firmware that he mods and publishes.
---EDIT---
Tegrak just posted kernels for all 3 Korean Galaxy Note versions today here.
Find your version, download follow installation instructions. Download and install Tegrak Kernel (free / donate) and root your device. Kernel also has other features that voodoo sound support (Voodoo Control: free / donate) and overclock support (Tegrak Overclock: free / donate).
*** I recommend downloading free version first. Ensure it operates for you, then SUPPORT TEGRAK by BUYING THE DONATE VERSION. Gotta keep our developer pals hooked up on their supply of coke-zero!
Thanks Wapu!!!!!!!! Has anyone successfully tried it??
Thanks thT method worled perfectly. Is voodoo sound supposed to work? I couldnt get that to work.
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Exynos version on Verizon

Anyone know if the exynos version would work on verizon? I assume that that it would but the 1x and 3g would not. lol, i would be ok with that if i also go root and TWRP.
My follow up question is where could we order it? It would be nice to get it right from samsung, but i don't see that option.
I have the same question
Gigatopiloto said:
I have the same question
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i think this is the place to buy it. Since they will open it up and use one of their sims to make 5 minutes of calls before sending it to us, so it doesn't lock up once we get it.
Has anyone used 4g exclusively on verizon, what are the drawbacks?
I know where to buy it here in the US. I could actually buy it today. Just want to know if it will work on Verizon
Gigatopiloto said:
I know where to buy it here in the US. I could actually buy it today. Just want to know if it will work on Verizon
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I dont think you will be able to use it to make phone calls or msg because verizon use a CDMA network for this and the exynos version doesnt have this. Just my guess.
Samsung's soc never supports cdma (big Q owns the patents) so that's why the rest of the world who aren't on cdma gets the exynos versions
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Samsung's soc never supports cdma (big Q owns the patents) so that's why the rest of the world who aren't on cdma gets the exynos versions
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That's not true at all, my Galaxy Tab S2 is an Exynos and runs on Verizon LTE., and the galaxy S6 was an Exynos 7420 on Verizon.
Oh I stand corrected. I knew the tablets were supported but figured since you don't make calls from them, it wouldn't need cdma. In either case, unless it's made for Verizon, the exynos versions won't natively support Verizon.
The FCC filing shows it support the Verizon LTE bands, but no CDMA bands.
It would probably work for data but I am not sure if it would work for calls, unless they implement VOLTE on the international version for Verizon.
Guys it's best to wait for the North American unlocked version (Qualcomm chip) to become available in a couple of weeks or so.
It will definitely work on both Verizon and Sprint and their MVNOs.
I can see bhphotovideo taking preorders for it already, and the page is setup on bestbuy. This is the S8 version I'm gonna go for. Downside is it will cost you a little more, but it is worth it to me to know I can use it on all US carriers.
Edit: looks like bhphoto added the model numbers for their preorders as "SM-G950F" and "SM-G955F", which is the same as the European/global GSM version. So that is Exynos chipset powered, and it's a no go for CDMA guys.
The plus on this model is it gets the software updates more quickly than the US unlocked model. (This is still speculation based on Samsung not updating SM-G930U to Android 7 for months while the SM-G930F and the US carrier models already received their updates.)
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Commodore 64 said:
Guys it's best to wait for the North American unlocked version (Qualcomm chip) to become available in a couple of weeks or so.
It will definitely work on both Verizon and Sprint and their MVNOs.
I can see bhphotovideo taking preorders for it already, and the page is setup on bestbuy. This is the S8 version I'm gonna go for. Downside is it will cost you a little more, but it is worth it to me to know I can use it on all US carriers.
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unlocked as in unlocked BOOTLOADER? Or just for use on any carrier?
JAYNO20 said:
unlocked as in unlocked BOOTLOADER? Or just for use on any carrier?
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Unlocked as in "unlocked for all carriers" (or "sim free" is what Samsung UK calls their SM-G95*F versions). But I wouldn't be surprised if the bootloader is also unlocked.
My guess, even with the unlocked (unencrypted) bootloader, is once you flash a custom ROM/recovery it will still trip the Samsung Knox binary counter and void the warranty. This is just speculation based on Samsung's devices in the past. We have to wait until someone gets their hand on the US unlocked version.
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Commodore 64 said:
Unlocked as in "unlocked for all carriers" (or "sim free" is what Samsung UK calls their SM-G95*F versions). But I wouldn't be surprised if the bootloader is also unlocked.
My guess, even with the unlocked (unencrypted) bootloader, is once you flash a custom ROM/recovery it will still trip the Samsung Knox binary counter and void the warranty. This is just speculation based on Samsung's devices in the past. We have to wait until someone gets their hand on the US unlocked version.
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Sim unlocked at best buy will be out may 9th priced at 725/825
i buy international versions all the time...
don't listen to all these people who just make things up but never used it.
supported bands according to this site just an example:
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/bands/7922/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos
I have the exynos s7 i bought from B&H in US. on verizon CDMA won't connect, but if you are in a region with VOLTE and you don't travel within US, it should be fine.
all the international versions have much better support if you are on ATT/Tmobile where GSM is the "3g/crippled 4g" I left verizon for Tmobile just to get better support for Exynos.
now... i didn't check validity of the site above, but it gives u an idea. i just wanted to chime in.
Exynos has much better power management IMO. my wife's phone is S7 tmobile variant, and when i was using s7 Exynos, my battery life was BETTER AND i use the phone way more than her throughout the day.
going to, i actually bought s8 TMobile this time... just so i can use samsung pay... samsung pay will work if you modify the CSC and install spay/framework, but guess i'm getting old and getting lazy
exynos will likely get rooted FIRST, and the first root type will likely trip Knox, and without Knox, no samsung pay...
TLDR. Exynos will work on vzw but not all the bands. if you think it's too risky, don't get it.
2 upsides that actually matter IMO when it comes to Exynos versions.
1. less bloat, I say less, because Exynos versions come with all kinds of CSCs from all over the world. and depending on where it came from... you'll see it installing regional specific apps on your initial boot. 1 year i had a phone with Arab CSC and it installed bunch of apps made for Arabs... on another phone i had a UK CSC and it installed all kinds of UK news apps.
2. better battery
3. faster updates from sammobile
jucytec said:
i buy international versions all the time...
don't listen to all these people who just make things up but never used it.
supported bands according to this site just an example:
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/bands/7922/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos
I have the exynos s7 i bought from B&H in US. on verizon CDMA won't connect, but if you are in a region with VOLTE and you don't travel within US, it should be fine.
all the international versions have much better support if you are on ATT/Tmobile where GSM is the "3g/crippled 4g" I left verizon for Tmobile just to get better support for Exynos.
now... i didn't check validity of the site above, but it gives u an idea. i just wanted to chime in.
Exynos has much better power management IMO. my wife's phone is S7 tmobile variant, and when i was using s7 Exynos, my battery life was BETTER AND i use the phone way more than her throughout the day.
going to, i actually bought s8 TMobile this time... just so i can use samsung pay... samsung pay will work if you modify the CSC and install spay/framework, but guess i'm getting old and getting lazy
exynos will likely get rooted FIRST, and the first root type will likely trip Knox, and without Knox, no samsung pay...
TLDR. Exynos will work on vzw but not all the bands. if you think it's too risky, don't get it.
2 upsides that actually matter IMO when it comes to Exynos versions.
1. less bloat, I say less, because Exynos versions come with all kinds of CSCs from all over the world. and depending on where it came from... you'll see it installing regional specific apps on your initial boot. 1 year i had a phone with Arab CSC and it installed bunch of apps made for Arabs... on another phone i had a UK CSC and it installed all kinds of UK news apps.
2. better battery
3. faster updates from sammobile
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Did you gloss over the fact that regular phone calls wont work on the international Exynos version using a Verizon sim?
954wrecker said:
Did you gloss over the fact that regular phone calls wont work on the international Exynos version using a Verizon sim?
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yes... hence i said if you are in an area with VOLTE and you don't travel. that is the reason why i went tmobile.
http://www.phonemore.com/compare/ph...m-g950v-vs-samsung-galaxy-s8-sm-g950u/5341523
look at 2g/3g difference OP
jucytec said:
yes... hence i said if you are in an area with VOLTE and you don't travel. that is the reason why i went tmobile.
http://www.phonemore.com/compare/ph...m-g950v-vs-samsung-galaxy-s8-sm-g950u/5341523
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I read it I just think its a dumb GSM phone for people that have a dumb CDMA phone provider. LTE only is not a solution Verizon people simply need Verizon phones. Just like Sprint people need Sprint phones. Getting international GSM phones for use on CDMA service providers is stupid. Thats one reason CDMA is crap compared to GSM. Unlocked phones like some apple and moto and rare samsung are the best solution. Best Buy will have the unlocked snapdragon available in 2 weeks for $725/$825
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jonno95 said:
Anyone know if the exynos version would work on verizon? I assume that that it would but the 1x and 3g would not. lol, i would be ok with that if i also go root and TWRP.
My follow up question is where could we order it? It would be nice to get it right from samsung, but i don't see that option.
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You dont need regular calls? You are going LTE only and hoping you dont miss any calls? If you are using hangouts for calls and don't need cellular phone calls then go get one. Ebay, amazon, they have them for sale, forget warranty unless you want a huge hassle.
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I read it I just think its a dumb GSM phone for people that have a dumb CDMA phone provider. LTE only is not a solution Verizon people simply need Verizon phones. Just like Sprint people need Sprint phones. Getting international GSM phones for use on CDMA service providers is stupid. Thats one reason CDMA is crap compared to GSM. Unlocked phones like some apple and moto and rare samsung are the best solution. Best Buy will have the unlocked snapdragon available in 2 weeks for $725/$825
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You dont need regular calls? You are going LTE only and hoping you dont miss any calls? If you are using hangouts for calls and don't need cellular phone calls then go get one. Ebay, amazon, they have them for sale, forget warranty unless you want a huge hassle.
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I understand everything. I was wondering who has done it in the past. Everyone in my company with the latest update from Verizon has seen their CDMA coverage disappear. Where they once had CDMA service, they now have none. Verizon seem to really be pushing the VoLTE. I've had phones where i have disabled all non 4g bands, because i didn't like it switching, and it actually worked better for me. The main reason i ask is because the international version has root and TWRP. Hopefully the US version will get root, but i don't think we'll every get an unlocked bootloader. The verizon version is already sim unlocked, so i'm not looking for more sim unlocked phones that don't have root.
jonno95 said:
I understand everything. I was wondering who has done it in the past. Everyone in my company with the latest update from Verizon has seen their CDMA coverage disappear. Where they once had CDMA service, they now have none. Verizon seem to really be pushing the VoLTE. I've had phones where i have disabled all non 4g bands, because i didn't like it switching, and it actually worked better for me. The main reason i ask is because the international version has root and TWRP. Hopefully the US version will get root, but i don't think we'll every get an unlocked bootloader. The verizon version is already sim unlocked, so i'm not looking for more sim unlocked phones that don't have root.
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I undersrand now. Go exynos based on what you just mentioned
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I undersrand now. Go exynos based on what you just mentioned
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Thanks for your help and concern. haha, i still don't want to be the first. I'm going to see what happens here before i get too serious about getting it. The risk in waiting is that the current unlocked bootloader method for the exynos may get patched. idk

I have Sprint. Which Note 8 to buy? Root. Please Help!

Hello,
Which Note 8 should I buy?
International Version
Unlocked Version
Sprint Version
I heard the processor for the International Version is best I think it stats with an E. Should I get that?
I would like to root.
Does it matter or should I just order one directly from Sprint?
Will this work with Sprint?
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Factory Unlocked Phone - 6.3" Screen - 64GB - Midnight Black (U.S. Warranty)
This one from Amazon?
Should I buy that one above from Amazon or buy it directly from Sprint?
Can I root both of them?
I would like to order one today, I just don't know if I should order from Sprint or Amazon.
P.S.
Also if this is not possible should I get a S8 or S8 Plus? However, reading over on their threads doesn't look like root is possible really there either, hit or miss. Is that true? Which S8 I should get? International or US?
I mainly want apps like:
Ad Block
YouTube Background Player
YouTube Ad Block
ETC...
Please Advise.
you said sprint, sprint is cmda... meaning, exynos WILL NOT WORK. no international phone, you must buy snapdragon. now you have two choices carrier locked, and carrier unlocked. both have a locked boot loader and are not currently capable of root. if you purchase the phone out right it does not really matter which version you get. if you buy sprint locked after 50 days on their network they will carrier unlock the phone. the only true difference is carrier bloatware/ software which I'm hearing can be flashed using odin
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you said sprint, sprint is cmda... meaning, exynos WILL NOT WORK. no international phone, you must buy snapdragon. now you have two choices carrier locked, and carrier unlocked. both have a locked boot loader and are not currently capable of root. if you purchase the phone out right it does not really matter which version you get. if you buy sprint locked after 50 days on their network they will carrier unlock the phone. the only true difference is carrier bloatware/ software which I'm hearing can be flashed using odin
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There are SOME radio differences but I agree it shouldn't matter.
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you said sprint, sprint is cmda... meaning, exynos WILL NOT WORK. no international phone, you must buy snapdragon. now you have two choices carrier locked, and carrier unlocked. both have a locked boot loader and are not currently capable of root. if you purchase the phone out right it does not really matter which version you get. if you buy sprint locked after 50 days on their network they will carrier unlock the phone. the only true difference is carrier bloatware/ software which I'm hearing can be flashed using odin
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Thank you, that is what I need to know. Now what about getting a S8 or S8 Plus instead? Are those rootable? I mean does it even matter any more? The only thing I really want root for is Youtube Ad Block, but what the crap, mine as well just pay 10 bucks a month and get Youtube Red and allow my phone to update it self all the time.
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There are SOME radio differences but I agree it shouldn't matter.
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What about S8 or S8 Plus? Root those or are people still having trouble? I think Samsung has finally figured out how to make it really difficult. Seems like it is not even worth it anymore.
AtlantaBB said:
Thank you, that is what I need to know. Now what about getting a S8 or S8 Plus instead? Are those rootable? I mean does it even matter any more? The only thing I really want root for is Youtube Ad Block, but what the crap, mine as well just pay 10 bucks a month and get Youtube Red and allow my phone to update it self all the time.
What about S8 or S8 Plus? Root those or are people still having trouble? I think Samsung has finally figured out how to make it really difficult. Seems like it is not even worth it anymore.
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from what I hear it is possible to root the s8, but it limits your max battery charge to 80%? kinda a **** trade off if you ask me.
so I'm like you I thought I must have root, my last android was a Nexus with a completely unlocked boot loader and I flashed custom roms when I tired of my current rom. that was four years ago and I've been jailbroke iOS since. do you still need root?
most people will say no. if they say absolutely the main arguments I've heard are for xposed(which doesn't even work on android 7) and viper4android (or some similar name, a sound tweak I think) besides those two, removing bloatware, and hosts file ad blocking.
my personal experience: I will be giving up an unlocked boot loader by purchasing the note 8. this mean no custom roms. I haven't given up hope for a future possible root method, but I am willing to accept that it may never come or when it does we can only charge to 80% or something else ridiculous. I don't need root, I would like it, but I will compromise.
tldr;probably not, especially if you are willing to sub to YouTube red for 10$ a month.
AtlantaBB said:
Thank you, that is what I need to know. Now what about getting a S8 or S8 Plus instead? Are those rootable?
What about S8 or S8 Plus? Root those or are people still having trouble? I think Samsung has finally figured out how to make it really difficult. Seems like it is not even worth it anymore.
I mean does it even matter any more? The only thing I really want root for is Youtube Ad Block, but what the crap, mine as well just pay 10 bucks a month and get Youtube Red and allow my phone to update it self all the time.
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The issue is that the Snapdragons have locked bootloaders but you need a SD version to use the Sprint network. It doesn't matter if you buy a Note 8 or an S8, the issue with the locked bootloader is the same.
For me personally, I need root because a lot of the apps I have use root. If you only wanted to block ads on YouTube, it's probably unnecessary and far more hassle than it's worth.
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from what I hear it is possible to root the s8, but it limits your max battery charge to 80%? kinda a **** trade off if you ask me.
so I'm like you I thought I must have root, my last android was a Nexus with a completely unlocked boot loader and I flashed custom roms when I tired of my current rom. that was four years ago and I've been jailbroke iOS since. do you still need root?
most people will say no. if they say absolutely the main arguments I've heard are for xposed(which doesn't even work on android 7) and viper4android (or some similar name, a sound tweak I think) besides those two, removing bloatware, and hosts file ad blocking.
my personal experience: I will be giving up an unlocked boot loader by purchasing the note 8. this mean no custom roms. I haven't given up hope for a future possible root method, but I am willing to accept that it may never come or when it does we can only charge to 80% or something else ridiculous. I don't need root, I would like it, but I will compromise.
tldr;probably not, especially if you are willing to sub to YouTube red for 10$ a month.
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Torquemada288 said:
The issue is that the Snapdragons have locked bootloaders but you need a SD version to use the Sprint network. It doesn't matter if you buy a Note 8 or an S8, the issue with the locked bootloader is the same.
For me personally, I need root because a lot of the apps I have use root. If you only wanted to block ads on YouTube, it's probably unnecessary and far more hassle than it's worth.
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Last question. I saw on another thread that this ... Is this true? Should I buy one that is unlocked from Amazon or the Samsung site and get hotspot or can I get hotspot on the Sprint one or do I need to search for the perfect app to do it? Which would be easier?
Unlocked version:
Hotspot - Awesome
Download Booster - Awesome
No Bloat - Awesome
Wi-Fi Calling - working awesomely
Sprint Version:
LTE Calling - I might miss, might be worth flashing Sprint mod when available...
Please Advise.
AtlantaBB said:
Last question. I saw on another thread that this ... Is this true? Should I buy one that is unlocked from Amazon or the Samsung site and get hotspot or can I get hotspot on the Sprint one or do I need to search for the perfect app to do it? Which would be easier?
Unlocked version:
Hotspot - Awesome
Download Booster - Awesome
No Bloat - Awesome
Wi-Fi Calling - working awesomely
Sprint Version:
LTE Calling - I might miss, might be worth flashing Sprint mod when available...
Please Advise.
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Sorry, I can't provide any guidance in this area. I'm in Australia and don't have experience with the inclusions/exclusions on specific American networks such as Sprint. I do know they use CDMA technology, which the Exynos SoC doesn't support.
Hopefully, one of the other enlightened souls on this forum can help you with this question.
AtlantaBB said:
Last question. I saw on another thread that this ... Is this true? Should I buy one that is unlocked from Amazon or the Samsung site and get hotspot or can I get hotspot on the Sprint one or do I need to search for the perfect app to do it? Which would be easier?
Unlocked version:
Hotspot - Awesome
Download Booster - Awesome
No Bloat - Awesome
Wi-Fi Calling - working awesomely
Sprint Version:
LTE Calling - I might miss, might be worth flashing Sprint mod when available...
Please Advise.
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I am on Sprint and am currently utilizing what I posted above as working...I am still finding out other working options as well...ask me about an option and I'll tell you if it is working on the unlocked version.
BlueFox721 said:
I am on Sprint and am currently utilizing what I posted above as working...I am still finding out other working options as well...ask me about an option and I'll tell you if it is working on the unlocked version.
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My question is do I need to get the unlocked version for hot spot to work or will it work with the Sprint version?
Torquemada288 said:
Sorry, I can't provide any guidance in this area. I'm in Australia and don't have experience with the inclusions/exclusions on specific American networks such as Sprint. I do know they use CDMA technology, which the Exynos SoC doesn't support.
Hopefully, one of the other enlightened souls on this forum can help you with this question.
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Thanks for the heads up. I really appreciate it.
AtlantaBB said:
My question is do I need to get the unlocked version for hot spot to work or will it work with the Sprint version?
Thanks for the heads up. I really appreciate it.
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The Sprint Version will cut out the download booster and hot spot unless your plan includes it but include calling plus features which include their version of the Wi-Fi Calling and LTE Calling for surfing over calls....but we already have that with Wi-Fi calling...Sprint also has Bloat software such as VVM but I install Google Voice for voicmail...it is up to you...at this point I have found no function lost.
Oops...I forgot to mention that they may update more frequently or sooner
BlueFox721 said:
The Sprint Version will cut out the download booster and hot spot unless your plan includes it but include calling plus features which include their version of the Wi-Fi Calling and LTE Calling for surfing over calls....but we already have that with Wi-Fi calling...Sprint also has Bloat software such as VVM but I install Google Voice for voicmail...it is up to you...at this point I have found no function lost.
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That is extremely important. Do I have this right? If I buy the unlocked version. Can I surf the internet while on the phone with the unlocked version from Amazon or Samsung or do I need to buy the Spring Version?
Am I understanding that right or did you mean something else?
AtlantaBB said:
That is extremely important. Do I have this right? If I buy the unlocked version. Can I surf the internet while on the phone with the unlocked version from Amazon or Samsung or do I need to buy the Spring Version?
Am I understanding that right or did you mean something else?
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When I called my wife on Wi-Fi Calling i was able to surf the web as well...I'll double check tomorrow when she is awake though
I have the unlocked version arriving soon and I will be using it with sprint. (With the free 1 year promo)
AFIK only the sprint and unlocked versions are whitelisted to work on sprint. Any other snapdragon models you will need to request a manual request to add your IMEI to the sprint database.
And I believe the Exynos models isn't compatible with CDMA at all, something with licensing or patent issues with Qualcomm.
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When I called my wife on Wi-Fi Calling i was able to surf the web as well...I'll double check tomorrow when she is awake though
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Oh I mean not on wifi - calling I am just talking about 4G LTE. I mean I have the note 3 right now. LOL. I know super old. I can talk on the cell network 4G LTE and surf the internet at the same time. Can you do that with the Unlocked Version and the Sprint Version or one or the other?
Agenesis said:
I have the unlocked version arriving soon and I will be using it with sprint. (With the free 1 year promo)
AFIK only the sprint and unlocked versions are whitelisted to work on sprint. Any other snapdragon models you will need to request a manual request to add your IMEI to the sprint database.
And I believe the Exynos models isn't compatible with CDMA at all, something with licensing or patent issues with Qualcomm.
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So the one from Amazon or Samsung, you should be fine, Yes the Exyons wont work. That is a bummer.
AtlantaBB said:
Oh I mean not on wifi - calling I am just talking about 4G LTE. I mean I have the note 3 right now. LOL. I know super old. I can talk on the cell network 4G LTE and surf the internet at the same time. Can you do that with the Unlocked Version and the Sprint Version or one or the other?
So the one from Amazon or Samsung, you should be fine, Yes the Exyons wont work. That is a bummer.
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Since the Note 3 call over data was lost...so they have been trying to implement it in New technologies
https://www.androidcentral.com/volte
BlueFox721 said:
Since the Note 3 call over data was lost...so they have been trying to implement it in New technologies
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Are you serious. I will be giving up call over data? WHY? Is this like that for Verizon and AT&T? Have they all lost call over data or do they just not want you to be able to do it?
Should I keep my Note 3 for that very reason?
Does any phone like the S8 or S8 Plus have call over data?
AtlantaBB said:
Are you serious. I will be giving up call over data? WHY? Is this like that for Verizon and AT&T? Have they all lost call over data or do they just not want you to be able to do it?
Should I keep my Note 3 for that very reason?
Does any phone like the S8 or S8 Plus have call over data?
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https://www.androidcentral.com/volte
I am coming from Note 3 as well
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Since the Note 3 call over data was lost...so they have been trying to implement it in New technologies
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Oh my goodness, looks like my note 3 has two antennas and the newer phones have only 1. that is why i can do both. Why would they make the service worse?
https://community.sprint.com/t5/Buz...e-same-time-with-Sprint-s-Calling/ba-p/961338
The Note 8 wipes the Note 3 out

Looking to Buy a Note8 W/Intentions of Rooting; Any Questions I Should Ask Sellers?

As the title says, I'm in the market for a new phone, and after years of using my HTC 10, it's starting to get old and decrepit. I loved how easy HTC made it easy to unlock the bootloader, and I see some of the newer flagship phones, especially w/my carrier(I'm on Sprint) make it tough to do so. I loved having a rooted phone and I'm seeing that the Note8 (US Version) can be rooted, but I'm assuming there's prerequisites that used phones might/might not have to do so. So I'm just wondering if there's any questions I should ask the sellers of a Note8 on Swappa or eBay to make sure that root is possible when I decide to buy one. I don't wanna wind up w/a LS997 situation, where I got the phone but it was too upgraded that the methods to root were patched up. Thanks for any help.
Note 8 US version is pretty much limited to Nougat and early Oreo builds, and i may be wrong about the latter. Only Boot loader v1 an v2 were able to get root, and v3 up to a point. Current bootloader version is v5 with Pie. Chances are you'll get a phone with v3 and up.
If you want a root friendly ecosystem, get the International variant.
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Note 8 US version is pretty much limited to Nougat and early Oreo builds, and i may be wrong about the latter. Only Boot loader v1 an v2 were able to get root, and v3 up to a point. Current bootloader version is v5 with Pie. Chances are you'll get a phone with v3 and up.
If you want a root friendly ecosystem, get the International variant.
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Gotcha. So I should ask a seller if the phone has a v1-3 Bootloader? That shouldn't be too hard an ask, so thanks for the assist there. Also, will International variants work w/Sprint, b/c that's the network I'm on? And are they also restricted to same v1-3 Bootloader environment to root?
Brian23MAC said:
Gotcha. So I should ask a seller if the phone has a v1-3 Bootloader? That shouldn't be too hard an ask, so thanks for the assist there. Also, will International variants work w/Sprint, b/c that's the network I'm on? And are they also restricted to same v1-3 Bootloader environment to root?
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International variant will have 4G support on Sprint, but 2G/3G wont work due to network differences (Sprint uses CDMA). It'll work with AT&T and TMo however. But somebody from the states should be able to answer this one in detail, i only know that Spint/Verizon phones dont work where i am, which is pretty much the same issue, but reversed.
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Gotcha. So I should ask a seller if the phone has a v1-3 Bootloader? That shouldn't be too hard an ask, so thanks for the assist there. Also, will International variants work w/Sprint, b/c that's the network I'm on? And are they also restricted to same v1-3 Bootloader environment to root?
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Finding a <v3 bootloader will be hard, and asking sellers about it will leave them puzzled. If you're going to root, as everyone says, get the Exynos version. As said by others, you're only limited to early Oreo and Nougat builds. Not worth it for such a good phone, honestly. But hey, don't let me stop you ^^

New phone time from Verizon... can this one be rooted ?

I'm looking at getting a new phone from Verizon and I use the Skvalex call recording app to record all my company calls. Unfortunately the only way to use the good recording quality where it records both sides from the in/out on the routing table on any of the latest android OS fw is to have root kernel access. Can this phone currently be rooted with latest OTA from Verizon if I purchase this phone ?
If not, can someone point me in the direction of one of the phones Verizon sells (or one I can get at Best Buy/Amazon) at a reasonable price? It's been a long time since I rooted a phone as I have had the same Moto Z Force from Verizon for about 4 years now. Great phone just has issues with battery life after a year and data storage is not big enough.
Verizon is to my knowledge the worst company to buy from if you want to root a device.
then on top of that there's the (apparent) deal Samsung agreed with US carriers, no Samsung phones for the US and Canadian markets have unlockable bootloaders. only official Samsung firmware images can flashed. T-Mobile will let you unlock the bootloader when you've paid for the phone, AT&T too... Verizon never will!
I'd say buy an imported 4G version the SM-G780G seeing as 5G on Verizon is mmwave (only Samsung's made for Verizon even support that). but check with Verizon first if they'll let use it. I've heard some weird things about phones needing to approved to use on some carriers there.
3mel said:
Verizon is to my knowledge the worst company to buy from if you want to root a device.
then on top of that there's the (apparent) deal Samsung agreed with US carriers, no Samsung phones for the US and Canadian markets have unlockable bootloaders. only official Samsung firmware images can flashed. T-Mobile will let you unlock the bootloader when you've paid for the phone, AT&T too... Verizon never will!
I'd say buy an imported 4G version the SM-G780G seeing as 5G on Verizon is mmwave (only Samsung's made for Verizon even support that). but check with Verizon first if they'll let use it. I've heard some weird things about phones needing to approved to use on some carriers there.
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That really sucks. I always thought the non-branded / non carrier motorola phones could have their BL unlocked through motorola. I will look into the imported 4g version but I'm really wanting to take advantage of the 5g data speeds. I was just hoping for a root method to do some tweaking and unbloating to some of the files.
enettrek said:
That really sucks. I always thought the non-branded / non carrier motorola phones could have their BL unlocked through motorola. I will look into the imported 4g version but I'm really wanting to take advantage of the 5g data speeds. I was just hoping for a root method to do some tweaking and unbloating to some of the files.
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AFAIK Motorola phones can be unlocked, it's just Samsung that's doing this and most people think it's to keep the carriers happy.
Samsung has ants up their ass over competing with apple so they probably made this agreement as extra incentive to get picked up by more carriers. that's a guess though.
I'm leaning towards getting a pixel 6... direct from google. I'm not giving samsung any more of my money over them having their head so far up the carriers asses I can't tell where samsung ends and the carrier begins.

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