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Hi all,
I have a motorola milestone (GSM, Telus) and I was wondering if there is a script or an app to "kill" apps, but not let them restart again. This is similar to something found on cydia (for Iphone and ipod touch) called Sb settings. Within sb settings there is a menu which can kill apps and free memory. When you kill these apps, they do not come back, unless you re-open app. With android, you kill an app, and in an instant they re-appear without you opening it. Is there a script that could block some apps from opening from bootup? Or an app that works like SB settings to kill an app, and not let it re-open again? I think this would free up much more ram on our milestones, especially because we cannot swap. (Because of the locked bootloader)
Edit: Another question: Is there a script that can install apps in a specific folder? E.g. sweeterhome, or other apps not on the market? It is really annoying having to go through titanium backup and having to go through the whole install process (I know its just a few buttons, but with a lot of apps it gets annoying!). This was in GOT OR, but it is now outdated, and there seems to be an option in Androidani Recovery 3.3 but I can't get it to work. Thanks.
Thanks, and any help is appreciated.
1. I personally disable/remove all apps that annoy me. This is espcially true for anything that autoruns. But most task killers (like advanced task kill) have an autokill feature. It kills any apps not in your ignore list at specific intervals or other triggers like low ram.
2. Using froyo based roms, you can install most apps onto sdcard. CM6 based ROMs also offer the option for default install locations.
I believe that you are talking about apps2sd or ext2. This is an older, but more flexible way of doing sd apps installs. I think (not an expert myself) it requires ext2 filesystem support. This in turn requires a kernel module to be loaded. There are many threads active right now about this topic.
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Regarding Q2, I think he wants to install a bunch of .apks from a specific directory in some sort of quiet mode...
I'm not sure this is possible easily, if you've got root-access you may just move them via the console to the required directories...
Search market for autorun manager and read, see if that is what u want , and in froyo kill doesn't kill anymore it more like restart...
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TheSpiritof69 said:
Regarding Q2, I think he wants to install a bunch of .apks from a specific directory in some sort of quiet mode...
I'm not sure this is possible easily, if you've got root-access you may just move them via the console to the required directories...
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Quiet mode? No, I just have various beta apps that I do not want to re-install after I flash a rom.
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I think I was mis-interpreted.
My question was that can I kill an app for good? some autorun even when I don't want them too and when I do kill them from a task killer they just re-appear. I want them too stop once I press kill like iphone.
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Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works
no one is using any app. to stop unnecessary start up of tasks
try autostarts its very good
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Ditto on Autostarts. Also, Autokiller Memory Optimzer works really well, it doesn't kill tasks itself, it tweaks the Android function thar does it to work better.
auto killer mem optimizer workd well for me.but now i simply don use any of those batt saving app,mem apps etc i jus kill apps in inbuilt task killer...iam using my phone to the peek cause at the end ill b getting a 2ghz dual core by selling sgs.......cant stick to old things lol........cheeerz
tarunagg said:
Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works
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... what?
Do any of you even understand how Android works?
so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???
manosv said:
try autostarts its very good
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+1 Autostarts. It amazes me what runs on the phone after start-up, after you switch states or update apps. The perfect cure for batt draining nonsense
rocky23 said:
so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???
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Google it. Android is Linux based. Its memory management is not the same as Windows. I'd explain further, but you're the 4,753,857,195 person to ask.
I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
Shanakin said:
I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
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That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww
webwude said:
That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww
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And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.
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And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.
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Well actually I don't see the point that an app, that I hardly use once per month should be loaded everytime I start the phone or change my internet connection. Also more apps at startup increase the time when the phone is available...
But on the other hand, you are certainly right, after a while, only the latest apps are still in background / memory. What I have recognized nevertheless: if you use a lot of apps with push functionality and load on startup, the phone runs out of memory...
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ww
This Q is for active devs...
Can you guys do RAM to be like after installing V6 supercharger...
Supercharger is great but, it lag from time to time and it needs to be refreshed... So is it possible to modify stock android ram managment to be like supercharger...
(to tweak it actually, to modify minifrees like V6 SC??)
I think performance incrase will be massive that way! Better than some third party scripts.
If it's impossible than, allright.. but it's always good to ask, isn't it?
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...oh .. I apologize, I accidentally posted this in dev section instead of general.. so don't mind please!
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der_mart said:
Hey Dare-Devil,
this Supercharger script actually does exactly what you asked for:
it modifies the settings of the internal/stock android RAM management,nothing more and nothing less.
greetings
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Hey Dare-Devil,
this Supercharger script actually does exactly what you asked for:
it modifies the settings of the internal/stock android RAM management,nothing more and nothing less.
greetings
supercharger is good but , eat my batery !!
I like SC ..
Its better than ram mngr pro ..
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One more question..
Is this possible to achieve more multitasking like FROYO on Gingerbread Roms without the things like:--Swapping,supercharger etc.
1. Gingerbread roms are bug free and with extra features but I can run only 3-4 application at a time
e.g.- suppose that I am downloading some files(100-400MB) with opera/dolphin etc in background and suddenly I have to open root explorer and install some applications then during the installation of these applications opera/dolphin automatically kill by the android and downloading stops.
2. FROYO roms are with less features and some bugs like DSP, A&V Sync.
But one thing that is impressive is that I can run 8-9 applications simultaneously.
Take the same example....I can download files via opera/dolphin in parallel with installing apps via root explorer, playing music, market downloading, Emails etc.
I don't know why there is too much difference. I think this point should not be ignored.
Ram manager pro + swapper + sd class 4
That's all you need.
PD: Supercharger it's laggy and doesn't installs easily...
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One more question..
Is this possible to achieve more multitasking without the things like:--Swapping,supercharger etc.
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This is my point of the thread
KASHYAP9 said:
1. Gingerbread roms are bug free and with extra features but I can run only 3-4 application at a time
e.g.- suppose that I am downloading some files(100-400MB) with opera/dolphin etc in background and suddenly I have to open root explorer and install some applications then during the installation of these applications opera/dolphin automatically kill by the android and downloading stops.
2. FROYO roms are with less features and some bugs like DSP, A&V Sync.
But one thing that is impressive is that I can run 8-9 applications simultaneously.
Take the same example....I can download files via opera/dolphin in parallel with installing apps via root explorer, playing music, market downloading, Emails etc.
I don't know why there is too much difference. I think this point should not be ignored.
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And I were telling this ages ago...
Gingerbread requires more memory for the OS itself than Froyo. It's as simple as that.
This is why our devices are already out of spec and we have to use many, many hacks to make it run to an acceptable level.
If you want to fix that, you have to analyse where this RAM is consumed and rewrite the code of these components more efficiently. This is actually google's job though.
now i'm interested about this part
wait till i release new optimizer
i'm pretty busy lately
new version released
link : Here My Optimizer
Guys use ram manager app by juwe11.it really does its job.buy the full version and use hard multitasking setting.
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Auto Memory Manager. The idea behind it is simple, but dont restrict the RAM too much, it can **** up performance.
What swapper exactly does?
Please use Google uncle for this question u will get the answer.
As naa said we have to identify the ram eaters. And rewrite memory management segment for those modules. So the basic question is to identify the modules. For that we need a tool that will show the memory consumption.
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The title is the real starting place of my issue. Out of the devices 2 GB, 1.5 GB is the average amount that is used and its really starting to impact the performance of the phone. The few things that I have tried never seem to be a more permanent solution. My Moto X is Rooted with a Sunshine Unlocked Bootloader.
Normally on my phone I have the following running in background:
tasker & Related plug ins
Xposed framework
Some widgets( Evernote, weather & Calendar)
Here is what I've tried so far:
Greenify, to help manage what apps are operating in the background.
Uninstalled a large number of my tasker plug ins
Reduced the number of Xposed plugins that I have running
Reduced the number of widgets that I have my launcher running
Here are my ideas that I have left but I don't know what it will fix.
Find an app launcher with lower RAM requirement that still meets my needs. Currently using an old version of GO Launcher I like.
Wipe the phone and start over with the stock AT&T 4.4.4 ROM.
Another possibly related issues is that I've been having apps crash often, like Touchless controls and Contacts, but when I try and send the bug report it has my own address listed instead of Motorolla's.
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The title is the real starting place of my issue. Out of the devices 2 GB, 1.5 GB is the average amount that is used and its really starting to impact the performance of the phone. The few things that I have tried never seem to be a more permanent solution. My Moto X is Rooted with a Sunshine Unlocked Bootloader.
Normally on my phone I have the following running in background:
tasker & Related plug ins
Xposed framework
Some widgets( Evernote, weather & Calendar)
Here is what I've tried so far:
Greenify, to help manage what apps are operating in the background.
Uninstalled a large number of my tasker plug ins
Reduced the number of Xposed plugins that I have running
Reduced the number of widgets that I have my launcher running
Here are my ideas that I have left but I don't know what it will fix.
Find an app launcher with lower RAM requirement that still meets my needs. Currently using an old version of GO Launcher I like.
Wipe the phone and start over with the stock AT&T 4.4.4 ROM.
Another possibly related issues is that I've been having apps crash often, like Touchless controls and Contacts, but when I try and send the bug report it has my own address listed instead of Motorolla's.
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have you tried flashing a stock firmware through RSD LITE? have you tried doing a hard reset? from stock recovery? your problem sounds like that a 3rd party app has screwed up your phone... And please dont use 3rd party launchers... They cause alot of problems.
whizinc said:
have you tried flashing a stock firmware through RSD LITE?
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I was hoping to use this as a last resort
whizinc said:
have you tried doing a hard reset?
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When you say hard reset do you mean a reboot? Factory Reset? I'm not 100% sure what your talking about.
whizinc said:
your problem sounds like that a 3rd party app has screwed up your phone... And please dont use 3rd party launchers... They cause alot of problems.
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If you asking to me stick with stock launcher I don't think I can do that. There are a lot of features the stock launcher is missing like Folders that sync to folders within the App Draw, just the way they display an open folder, the ways you can organize the app folder, how you hide apps you don't use, ie keyboards and the visuals associated with the uninstall process. But if you have suggestions on how to resolve some of the feature differences I'd be interested to hear.
Icon000 said:
The title is the real starting place of my issue. Out of the devices 2 GB, 1.5 GB is the average amount that is used and its really starting to impact the performance of the phone. The few things that I have tried never seem to be a more permanent solution. My Moto X is Rooted with a Sunshine Unlocked Bootloader.
Normally on my phone I have the following running in background:
tasker & Related plug ins
Xposed framework
Some widgets( Evernote, weather & Calendar)
Here is what I've tried so far:
Greenify, to help manage what apps are operating in the background.
Uninstalled a large number of my tasker plug ins
Reduced the number of Xposed plugins that I have running
Reduced the number of widgets that I have my launcher running
Here are my ideas that I have left but I don't know what it will fix.
Find an app launcher with lower RAM requirement that still meets my needs. Currently using an old version of GO Launcher I like.
Wipe the phone and start over with the stock AT&T 4.4.4 ROM.
Another possibly related issues is that I've been having apps crash often, like Touchless controls and Contacts, but when I try and send the bug report it has my own address listed instead of Motorolla's.
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You should check the running apps in the settings also check the cached background processes.
You'll find the culprit there.
Post screenshot if possible.
It's probably Facebook or something like that
adity said:
You should check the running apps in the settings also check the cached background processes.
You'll find the culprit there.
Post screenshot if possible.
It's probably Facebook or something like that
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What would you say is a good threshold to use to consider if an app is a problem? Would you say more than 25MB? 50MB?
A screen shot isn't going to be possible until after 7 pm
Icon000 said:
What would you say is a good threshold to use to consider if an app is a problem? Would you say more than 25MB? 50MB?
A screen shot isn't going to be possible until after 7 pm
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Apps like chrome consistently use 100mb..
Otherwise 50mb
Also post screenshots man
Icon000 said:
I was hoping to use this as a last resort
When you say hard reset do you mean a reboot? Factory Reset? I'm not 100% sure what your talking about.
If you asking to me stick with stock launcher I don't think I can do that. There are a lot of features the stock launcher is missing like Folders that sync to folders within the App Draw, just the way they display an open folder, the ways you can organize the app folder, how you hide apps you don't use, ie keyboards and the visuals associated with the uninstall process. But if you have suggestions on how to resolve some of the feature differences I'd be interested to hear.
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Take that last hope..Rsd lite your stock firmware and all your problems will be vanished.. Im sure..
A hard reset is a reset which you do thorough the Bootloader of your phone without booting to actual android home screen... Like you open your Boot loader by pressing appropriate keys and select recovery and Erase Cache and Factory reset from there... Google Hard reset and learn about it. Its really important to learn about hard reset if you own an android device..
As far as your launcher is concerned i can understand... And i dont really think that the launcher might be causing the problem... You just need an RSD LITE flash to completely wipe your phone and bring it to the factory state and make it completely fresh... I bet rsd lite flash will fix your problem because it erases the whole device and reflashes everything like boot,modem,system,kernal etc... GO FOR RSD LITE FLASH... and please take extra precautions before Flashing through RSD LITE.. because its risky if you do it in the wrong way.... Make sure to find the exact firmware of your phone which matches the carrier.. and also check the bootloader version of the firmware.. DOWNGRADING THE FIRMWARE WILL BRICK YOUR DEVICE PERMANENTLY.. so always upgrade or flash the same firmware as you have now.. Take extra precautions.. Good luck..
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It is Linux based, free RAM is wasted RAM. The system will put stuff into memory as needed, and remove it as needed. The system tries to keep as much stuff in memory as possible to improve performance so it doesn't have to put it back into memory if you launch it again. It is how the Android memory killer works, and the kernel is what controls the free memory.
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It is Linux based, free RAM is wasted RAM.
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if this is true why do i have more performance issue when the ram is full? I have to wait for the phone to respond to the touches on the screen.
Icon000 said:
if this is true why do i have more performance issue when the ram is full? I have to wait for the phone to respond to the touches on the screen.
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If that is the case, then your device is likely not freeing memory properly. Either an app is not closing properly, or you have a lot of background apps running that can't be freed from memory, or you have a rogue app killing your phone.
As he said, "free memory" will always be very low.
This is part of why people freaked out over vista... As modern kernels do, it was using most available ram for tasks that might happen because this memory can be cleared instantly. But vista actually reported this memory usage, and people freaked out, not being used to the concept. I believe they adjusted how memory was reported in 7...
Give this a read
http://serverfault.com/questions/85470/meaning-of-the-buffers-cache-line-in-the-output-of-free
If you have a terminal emulator the command "top" will show you memory usage by category so you can see not only how much is free, but how much COULD be free at a moments notice if needed. This is what you want to know.
"atop" is another version of top, it reports slightly different statistics and can be a little more readable...(it may be htop not atop, if one doesnt work try the other. They both exist but only one is prepackaged and... I forget.)
You should also be able to look at processes to see what is using up significant amounts of memory....
I'm on Honor 7 Lite (NEM-L21C432B356), I love the phone hardware itself but the stock OS (EMUI 5.0.2) is driving me crazy. Background tasks get killed really quickly and often notifications get deleted before I can even see them. I've tried factory reset and everything I've found on Google to no effect.
This isn't about the known push notifications issue. Notifications do work, but then they usually disappear almost immediately. I sometimes hear the notification tone, pick up the phone and unlock it to see a notification icon in the top bar for less than a second and then it's gone. Or if a notification comes in when I'm using the phone, I might see the notification in the list briefly and then it just vanishes.
Background tasks like Twilight or JuiceSSH with statusbar icons seem to get killed really aggressively. This seems to happen more to some apps than others, but I can't figure out any common denominator for the apps. It happens to both online and offline apps.
I've disabled everything related to Huawei's task killing/battery saving settings and added all apps to all exception lists that I've been able to find. Free memory seems to hover consistently around 500-700MB, I don't think I've ever seen free memory dip below 500MB.
It's hard to get good memory stats out of Android 7 without root, but it almost seems like the OS is pre-emptively keeping that 0.5GB of RAM free in case some foreground app wants a lot of memory, and it's willing to pre-emptively kill background tasks, even ones with status bar icons, to achieve it. I don't know if this is true, but Huawei doesn't seem to trust Android's own memory management much in general, with all their dumb "memory cleaning" and "battery optimization" stuff.
I'm at my wits' end here. I rely on seeing all notifications to keep up with reminders and other things, and I need background apps to stay there when I multitask. Custom ROMs aren't really an option, since I want everything on the phone to Just Work without any extra fiddling and hassle and I can't risk my only phone. I appreciate custom ROM developers' work though.
Thanks in advance for any useful answers.
On the P9 Lite with 2 GBs of RAM they are using more than 1.5GBs of zRAM which is crazy. I don't think that's needed at all. If your phone is rooted, you can install a Magisk module called Swap Torpedo to disable swap and maybe change some LMK values. Also you can disable the Power Genie app if you don't have root access.
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If your phone is rooted, you can install a Magisk module called Swap Torpedo to disable swap and maybe change some LMK values. Also you can disable the Power Genie app if you don't have root access.
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I'm not rooted, because unlocking the bootloader and rooting would trip SafetyNet, which I can't afford because I need some apps that depend on SafetyNet and I don't want the whole cat and mouse game with Magisk trying to keep ahead of Google on that.
Thanks a lot for the Power Genie tip (called Power Genius on my phone), I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else and will try it out. I hadn't noticed that process at all since it's running under AndroidSystem.
Edit: unfortunately the "Disable" button is grayed out on Power Genius, so disabling it doesn't seem like an option. I can stop it manually, but I assume it'll just get autostarted again. I don't seem to have permissions to hide it from adb shell either.
Same problem here (NEM-L51C432). It aggressively kills all background applications. This prevents multitasking. It is annoying to see a lot of RAM is free and will not be used. RAM is there to take use of it and not to keep it free.