A little confused about the USB Type C cable confusion, at least in my head
A OnePlus 3T should/can't use another Type C cable (reputable: Google or Anker) or is it the opposite, any other phone should not use the Type C from OnePlus. I have used them both ways but don't want any phone damage.
If I get the OP3T, I was thinking about getting the external charger. I had one before. It is Ok. Just OK. Could you tell me if it is as good as a high speed Anker or the one I was gonna get, the RavPower?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XC1W9H6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And the same for the question above. I believe I read in a review, another phone can use the OP3T Battery Pack just fine, but how about the OnePlus use the RavPower? I imagine if I can deal with a few more ounces, the RavPower 10000mah is the better choice
Thanks A Lot
Eric
From what I understand, there are two things at issue here, the OnePlus specific USB-C cable and the fast charging technology. So let me step back a bit and clarify.
One, last year the Google engineer Benson Leung was on the quest to test all the USB-C cable and point out that OnePlus default USB-C cable doesn't follow the standard and could harm your devices. [The Verge, Google Plus]
Second, OnePlus fast charging technology, eg: Dash Charge does not follow USB standard, and to be fair neither are other fast charging technology like QuickCharge from Qualcomm. Thus the OnePlus dafault USB-C cable has designed specifically for their Dash Charge technology. In fact, their Dash Charge technology won't work unless it use their specific charger and cable(technically it's their, it's licensed and other could make them too, who knows if we may have more of this tech accessories in the future from well known brand like Anker) The OnePlus have issue the statement in the recent AMA OnePlus 3T edition here regarding Dash Charge. That said, I would advise all OP3/3T buyer to read the recent AMA summery on the XDA article, or full AMA on reddit.
So, in short, keep the OP charger and OP cable stay attach, and buy a good USB-C cable for everything else.
I'll buy some C cables. My go to make is aukey great quality.
LMcR92 said:
I'll buy some C cables. My go to make is aukey great quality.
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I strongly suggest you look at Benson Leung review on Amazon or Google Plus before making a decision.
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I strongly suggest you look at Benson Leung review on Amazon or Google Plus before making a decision.
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Sorry I has a brain fart I meant anker :silly:
Hmm. I used my 1+ Type C cable in my car to charge +3t.
Chargers
Maybe i'm oversimplifying but Dash charge or Quick charge or whatever fancy names seems to be just a fat 4 amp charger. (Regular ones are 2 amps, i.e. for Samsung Galaxy phones and tablets.)
P.S. There is a warning in Safety Information not to charge for more than 12 hours. That's kinda different. I don't see that with other devices (or never noticed).
I think one plus should implement Sony's charging optimisation reduces full charge to 80% and if left charging to long it reduces the current to just keep it level.
something to consider: the cable has type C on one end but it doesn't support Usb 3.1. the phone is Usb 2.0. According to Wikipedia the reason for a type C connector on a Usb 2 cable is primarily for power which is supported up to 5 amps. Dash charge uses 4 amps. I figured all this out when my computer wasn't seeing the storage drive on the phone while connected to a Usb3. 1 port.
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I received my Tronsmart quick charging car charger and wanted to do a quick review on it. What you get in the box is the car charger with the permanently attached usb type c cable and an extra micro usb cable to go in the extra usb port. This in fact rapidly charges my Nexus 5x. I also connected my galaxy S6 at the same time with the included micro usb cable and it was quick charging as well. The actual charger is very compact making it easy to stow away after use.
The Pros
Rapid car charging type c
Included micro usb cable to use with the extra qualcomm quick charging port
small foot print
18 month warranty
easily pull the charger out of the phone with the long plastic housing (see pic below) and not damaging the cord
feels snug when connecting charger with a nice clicking sound
Cost is just $19.99 Free shipping with Amazon Prime
The Cons
Will not charge Google pixel (They state this on amazon)
The plastic housing is a little to big so I'm going to have to modify my Ringke case to fit properly
Buy it on Amazon here
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-Tec...qid=1446473093&sr=8-1&keywords=type+c+charger
TK Bay of XDA also has a video review on youtube here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMGqp_xT7wA
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The test with the Pixel may still relate to usage with any 5v 3a device. So fair warning regarding long term usage and possibly having the charger brownout.
Tronsmart charger is rated at 5V 2.4A, but CC termination is wired up for 5V 3A. Browns out charging Chromebook Pixel
By Benson Leung on November 12, 2015
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Hi, Benson again reviewing USB Type-C accessories. After many requests, I am finally reviewing the Tronsmart 36W 2 Port Car charger.
The Tronsmart 2 port car charger has one green USB Type-A port on top, and then a USB Type-C captive cable, meaning it has a Type-C plug on one end, and the other end cannot be removed from the charger.
For this review, I am going to focus closely on the Type-C captive cable. For my analysis I am using my Chromebook Pixel 2015 and my USB PD Sniffer device (search chromium.org for twinkie), also available here : Plugable USB 3.1 Type-C (USB-C) Power Delivery Sniffer
According to the USB PD sniffer, the CC line on the charger connected via the captive cable is pulled up to Vbus using a 10kΩ resistor. According to the USB Type C specification Section 4.11.1, this indicates to the device being charged that this power source is capable of supplying 5V 3A.
However, please look carefully at the rating text on the side of the charger. I have attached a picture of it. It says "Output(each port): DC 5V/2.4A"
This means that the tronsmart charger is using the incorrect CC pullup, as the charger itself is not rated at 3A.
When I plugged in my somewhat discharged Chromebook Pixel 2015, the Pixel would not charge (my twinkie current meter measured 0mA current), and it appeared that the charger itself had browned out. The Chromebook Pixel made a high pitched squealing sound until I disconnected it from the charger.
As an experiment, I also tried connecting Pixel to the Tronsmart's OTHER usb port using a compliant (56kΩ terminated) USB A-C cable. Using the other port, the Pixel charged properly.
In conclusion, this charger is using the wrong CC termination given its rating of only being able to handle 5V 2.4A out of each port. Fast charging Type-C devices like the Chromebook Pixel may try to pull 3.0A out of the captive cable, improperly browning out the charger.
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The test with the Pixel may still relate to usage with any 5v 3a device. So fair warning regarding long term usage and possibly having the charger brownout.
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It would have been nice if Benson would have directly addressed the Nexus 5x and 6p. Here is part of the response from Tronsmart which can be found in the comments under his review.
"Our charger engineer did lots of researches and considered every detail of this product after that. Having tested the charger with Nexus 6P, eventually we found, even this product is not perfect but it is the best car charging solution so far.This is also the reason why the charger ranked top on the Type C charger on amazon.com and we got plenty of 4 or 5 stars positive reviews. The Type C charger got over-current protection, so it won`t hurt the mobile phone or the car even if some extremely circumstances happened. Moreover, the charger also comes with over-charged, short-circuit, over-heat and over-voltage protection which can guarantee its safety. Customers can enjoy our 18 months warranty if the worst thing happens , supposing the charger does not work anymore."
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It would have been nice if Benson would have directly addressed the Nexus 5x and 6p. Here is part of the response from Tronsmart which can be found in the comments under his review.
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This only shows that their engineers don't know what they are doing.
I would not trust that company anymore.
Just got one of these as well. Rapid charge and the extra USB port has made everyone happy on car rides.
Got this, the end on mine is already bending some, and I'm not really forcing it. Kind of bummed.
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Got this, the end on mine is already bending some, and I'm not really forcing it. Kind of bummed.
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Didn't they say it comes with a warranty?
Not that I could see.
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Didn't they say it comes with a warranty?
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Yes, the warranty is 18 months.
First off, I'd like to say I received these products for an unbiased review! Secondly, my English is not amazing, please no judgment. LASTLY, I will upload pictures later.
The Tronsmart Car Charger is amazing in build quality, it is sturdy and it fits nice and snug into a car port. It comes with two outputs; one USB A, and another USB C. The USB A port supports Quick Charge for your other Android devices, and USB C charges just like the factory charger (just for cars). I tested both outputs using Ampere, and they both charge at the said rates (USB A goes to only 2.0A and USB C goes to 3.0A). I did not have two devices at the time to charge both at the same time, and I will update this when I do.
The cables are got were amazing in quality as well. Tronsmart really knows how to build mobile accessories. The cables are thick so they don’t feel like they will break in a couple days (unlike Apple official cables -___-). They give a nice click when you connect it into the USB C part on the Nexus 5x. They also are certified cables from Google employee Benson; if you check using Ampere, they are charged at the correct Amps.
I will use it more often and report with more info, I'm in college at the moment and super busy with work so I will update when I have the time.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit#gid=0
http://www.amazon.com/review/RX4U3G...sb-20&linkId=1b55f674630fec7ecf2b7df496c6afde
Yes, it works great with the N5X, but people should be aware that it does not with all devices.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit#gid=0
http://www.amazon.com/review/RX4U3G...sb-20&linkId=1b55f674630fec7ecf2b7df496c6afde
Yes, it works great with the N5X, but people should be aware that it does not with all devices.
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I only have a Nexus 5x to test with :/ so I can only say my experiences with that one device
Thanks for the review. It would be great if you can add pictures and links where to buy them.
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It is a neat looking charger and my Nexus 5x shows that it is rapidly charging however it takes definitely longer that the wall charger. Ampere shows just 1500mah with the tronsmart. Is that normal?
Nexus 5x
Based on early reviews of OPPO's VOOC which is the OP Dash charging system, this seems far superior to any QC or even iPhone charging system on the market. By taking the heat out to the actual charger block @ around 20 watts over 7pins it is faster and cooler than QC2.0 and cooler than Moto's QC2.0+.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAS76EZ87dc
Even OP's Dash looks identical to OPPO's VOOC
http://www.oppo.com/en/accessory-vooc-car-charger
I would like to categorize what is available on the market for Dash/VOOC.
(OPPOstyle.com is slightly confusing if it is real or just a showroom)
VOOC Charger: $49 http://na.oppostyle.com/vooc-flash-charger-us-plug
DASH Charger: $19.95 https://oneplus.net/dash-charge-power-adapter
DASH Cable: $14.95 https://oneplus.net/dash-charge-type-c-cable
Combo Cable+Charger: $33
VOOC Car Charger: $49 http://www.oppo.com/en/accessories/in-car-flash-charger
DASH Car Charger: $29.95 https://oneplus.net/dash-charge-car-charger
VOOC 6000mAh Brick: $48 http://www.oppo.com/en/accessory-vooc-power-bank
Would be great to see other manufacturers buy into this system, hopefully OPPO can license it.
Super MOOC is on the horizon.
Wrong links? You are showing a micro usb from Oppo instead of USB-C
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Wrong links? You are showing a micro usb from Oppo instead of USB-C
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Oppo doesn't use USB C to my knowledge. But valid point.
20 amps? I guess you mean 20 Watts = 5V * 4A
60% in 30 minutes, awesome. Since I have several QC chargers at home, it will be interesting how slow charging will be with those.
I really want the Dash car charger, but €45 (charger+cable) is a bit steep IMO.
Edit: according to their AMA, there will be no licensed dash chargers. So we'll have to get the expensive ones from OnePlus. Fair enough.
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60% in 30 minutes, awesome. Since I have several QC chargers at home, it will be interesting how slow charging will be with those.
I really want the Dash car charger, but €45 (charger+cable) is a bit steep IMO.
Edit: according to their AMA, there will be no licensed dash chargers. So we'll have to get the expensive ones from OnePlus. Fair enough.
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Im hoping all my QC chargers will work fine as well (expecting around 1:45 to get close to fully charged), ill be swapping between a G5 and the OP3 and do not really want to have to keep changing chargers
Its 100% secure you can use the Oppo chargers and works like Dash?
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Im hoping all my QC chargers will work fine as well (expecting around 1:45 to get close to fully charged), ill be swapping between a G5 and the OP3 and do not really want to have to keep changing chargers
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They are not interchangeable as far as quick charging goes
QC2.0 wall charger will drip charge the OP3
Dash/VOOC wall charger will drip charge the G5
Where Drip Charge = the 2.1amp limit of the cable.
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They are not interchangeable as far as quick charging goes
QC2.0 wall charger will drip charge the OP3
Dash/VOOC wall charger will drip charge the G5
Where Drip Charge = the 2.1amp limit of the cable.
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Yeap, that is what I am hoping it does. 2amp is sufficient enough when I swap phones. Once I pick the DD i'll use their respective quickcharge adapter
Is there a adapter that works for oppos microusb vooc charger to usb-c dash charging. That would have been great since I already have 4 VOOC chargers but the cable is non removable from the charger.
Actually they are the same thing;
Here is the offical reply on Weibo
static .oneplus .cn/data/attachment/forum/201606/16/194521z84aw3hoh4u68uah.jpg.w_768.jpg
DASH is a technology from OPPO just like VOOC .
They (DASH/VOOC) are just different brand.
I'll upload an OxygenOS V3.1.2 for OP3 (the stock rom) as soon as possible.
I've just got it from the OFFICAL BBS in Chinese.
www .oneplusbbs .com/thread-2782858-1-1.html
(I can't send a regular url,cause I'm new on XDA.) QAQ
They are the same thing, but the specification allows authentication of the components. The question is, did they lock out VOOC in Dash?
Well all of VOOC is USB micro for now. So it is physically locked out, but I think you could use the actual charger block with a DASH cable.
Also hope that VOOC Charger will work with DASH.
But since the OP3 started to arrive at customers, maybe someone can test it?
I'm really interested in the car charger and the VOOC bank.. specially if the cable on the bank is swappable
Has anyone tried to use a different USB type c cable, a third party one?
the Oneplus 3 cable is too short for my needs. i will order one soon to try but would like to know first. thanks :good:
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Has anyone tried to use a different USB type c cable, a third party one?
the Oneplus 3 cable is too short for my needs. i will order one soon to try but would like to know first. thanks :good:
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Third party cables actually don't work with DASH.. if think it needs time..
Tested the oneplus 2 1.5m USB C and it's not working with DASH charging.. It did charge but not at fast speeds.
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i did think it wont work, i guess we all have to wait a bit, all phone companies should release phones with 2m cables out the box lol
Yeah I really want a longer cable. 3ft/1m doesn't cut it for me.
So I got the phone and an additional Dash charger+cable. What confuses me is why are the 2 cables different? Round vs Flat.
Just bought a Nexus 5x off Swappa and it didn't come with the original LG charger, just a USB C to A cable. Are there any 3rd party charging blocks and cables that work well and provide rapid charging for the 5x? I've looked at a lot on Amazon and Ebay and there don't seem to be any that work as well.
There's this from SONEic....
Also, can anyone tell me if you'll get faster charging (like Type C to Type C) if you use a USB 3.0 to Type C cable, or does it matter?
Thanks,
Jank.
This CHOETECH power supply works well: link
You need a type-C to type-C cable to take advantage of the full speeds. I use this one: link
Check out this sheet for chargers, for cables and accessories.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/htmlview
Also Google"Benson Leung". He's put a lot of time into testing a lot of products and can probably save you a lot of headaches. There's a lot of really questionable cables and chargers out there for USB type-c so you want to be careful. It's not like the old micro USB days where anything worked. Bad cables can burn your phone, charger or worse
@adobeman - appreciate the reply. I have seen that spreadsheet but noticed nothing had a review date for this year, 2016. I had hoped something more current that was a sure winner would have been released by now. Maybe not, maybe it's just the SONEic and Choetec so far. There are a ton of the LG OEM cables/chargers on eBay but they all ship from China so are questionable at best, don't know if they're knockoffs or real. Oh well. The problem with the Google cable on the play store is that it's a single piece, the cable isn't removable.
Guess I'll give one of these other two options a shot and go from there. Thanks again!
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@adobeman - appreciate the reply. I have seen that spreadsheet but noticed nothing had a review date for this year, 2016. I had hoped something more current that was a sure winner would have been released by now. Maybe not, maybe it's just the SONEic and Choetec so far. There are a ton of the LG OEM cables/chargers on eBay but they all ship from China so are questionable at best, don't know if they're knockoffs or real. Oh well. The problem with the Google cable on the play store is that it's a single piece, the cable isn't removable.
Guess I'll give one of these other two options a shot and go from there. Thanks again!
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I have tested LG OEM cable/charge on Nexus 5X, the charger support Quick Charge, it works well with device but it didn't charge as quickly as stock Nexus charger. I remember that it took me about ~1.8 hours to charge from 20% to 100% with LG OEM charger. LG OEM Charger output is 5V/1.8A, 9V/1.8A while stock one is 5V/3A.
If you want to take full advantage of Nexus 5X fast charge, you should choose charger that can output 5V/3A current. You can get more information in this article.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/
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I have tested LG OEM cable/charge on Nexus 5X, the charger support Quick Charge, it works well with device but it didn't charge as quickly as stock Nexus charger. I remember that it took me about ~1.8 hours to charge from 20% to 100% with LG OEM charger. LG OEM Charger output is 5V/1.8A, 9V/1.8A while stock one is 5V/3A.
If you want to take full advantage of Nexus 5X fast charge, you should choose charger that can output 5V/3A current. You can get more information in this article.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/
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@SuperBoUDS - thanks. I went with this option this morning: SONEic USB Type C rapid charger & this Anker USB C to USB 3.0 for another cable. They should be here Friday and I'll review and confirm how well they work. CUrrently, I only have a legacy USB 2.0 to Type C cable that came with my used phone. It only charges up to about 1400 mA when the batter is really low.
FYI, since the spreadsheet is outdated as of 2016 the best (albeit disorganized) source for USB-C cables/charger/accessories that are compliant is probably benson leungs amazon profile feed:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A25GROL6KJV3QG/
if you don't want to go with choetech or tronsmart, you can find oem LG chargers and cables on eBay for $15-$20
I have three choetech USB C wall chargers. I've had inconsistent performance with them -- at times the phone does not register it as a rapid charger, and so far one has stopped working completely. The USB cables are from Anker and I haven't faced any problems with them.
You can't go wrong buying an OEM or Google made charger.
I use this one while traveling. Benson Leung approved. It works great and also allows to charge another USB A device at same time. https://www.amazon.com/Charger-GMYLE-Adapter-Macbook-Chromebook/dp/B01193T77I
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I use this one while traveling. Benson Leung approved. It works great and also allows to charge another USB A device at same time. https://www.amazon.com/Charger-GMYLE-Adapter-Macbook-Chromebook/dp/B01193T77I
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After using the SONEic USB C to C charger I purchased above, I can say that I've rarely, if ever, seen it charge faster than 2.15 mA. That with the battery fairly low so I would think it should be charging faster. It does come up as rapidly charging though. It works well enough, just was hoping for more.
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After using the SONEic USB C to C charger I purchased above, I can say that I've rarely, if ever, seen it charge faster than 2.15 mA. That with the battery fairly low so I would think it should be charging faster. It does come up as rapidly charging though. It works well enough, just was hoping for more.
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I can confirm that the Soneic didn't go above 2A using Ampere app . I tried the Choetech and it went upto 2.5 A once.
Both say charging rapidly. I'll be returning the Soneic
I've seen varying performances with all chargers, none of them seem to sustain the charging rate even if the phone is <10%
Not sure if it's the same behavior with the OEM charger
How about this one? Is good enough for 5x ,
Ldnio 5V 3.1A 3-Port Smart Travel USB Charger Adapter Wall Portable EU Plug Mobile Phone Charger for iPhone Samsung Xiaomi
http://s.aliexpress.com/zYr2aeeM
(from AliExpress Android)
Or better to go on this one ? First one i can get faster,i have near me ,second i will need to by from ali express..
Original Brand New white 5V 3A TYPE C USB 3.1 Fast Quick wall charger 1M Type c data cable for LG G5 GOOGLE Nexus 5X 6P
http://s.aliexpress.com/mEbAnyue
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Hi,
it's end of September now and three months after the launch of the Oneplus 3 I am unable to purchase a spare dash charger (German plug form-factor) and a certified dash USB cable.
Only found US form-factor and even this was marked "out of stock".
Also I'd like to get a longer cable (2m should not affect dash charging), which is more flexible than the red ribbon cable provided with the device, and maybe also in black than red.
Anyone having been successful in finding one out there?
Dont you have the same charger that here in Sweden? There's in stock for me when I'm checking the oneplus store.
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Hej Bjarne,
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Dont you have the same charger that here in Sweden? There's in stock for me when I'm checking the oneplus store.
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yes we have.
But look closely: if you select Sweden as your country, you see the price in Swedish Kronors for the *UK* version of the charger.
There is always the UK version selected as the other versions are marked "out of stock" as soon as you tap to select.
Is it really different for you?
Problem seems to be:
Dash is proprietary and apparently only one manufacturer producing it now - and not for his own supply chain line, but only on orders by Oneplus.
They seemed to have totally underestimated the post-sale demand for additional chargers
I would really like to see a longer cable too......But there is literally NOTHING to be found.
People talk in exhaust about a possible USB extension cable saying it works with Dash Charge.....but that was proven to be WRONG. Also, I believe some OnePlus Dev chimed in saying they actually CANNOT make a longer Dash Cable due for technical reasons.....anyway, reference links below:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/longer-dash-charge-cable-please.459070/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-a-f-cable-supports-op3-dash-charging.454306/
Here's my experience, after a little time with the OP3 in my hands. Unless an extra 10 or 15 minutes for a FULL charge is a major deal breaker for you, just use a regular Quick Charge 3 adapter and non-Dash cable. It is SLIGHTLY slower, but not by a whole lot. Even with my QC3 car charger (Anker PowerDrive+2) it just cranks in the juice. My drive to work is literally 4 minutes. I average 3-4% in that time. Almost the same as Dash in that time frame. That's using an old microUSB cord and an Aukey type C adapter on the end.
Yes, Dash IS quicker, but not by a huge margin, and not so much that people should be all that worried about not using official Dash gear.
I mean its 1.5A versus 3.5-4. Its a pretty big difference. I mostly charge on slow USB but I do see the times it would come in handy, I just use my slower stuff because of 6' cables.
Your QC charger doesn't make a difference here.
EU version is back in stock (for now at least)!
(I just bought one from here in Sweden)