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Alot of Developers have bought this phone!! development for Xperia T / TX and V is going to be good! so far we have 2 elite developers 2 recog developers,, correct me if i am wrong
FXP have 4 members
Bin4ry, Defer, Kali, Jerpelea
Codeworkx!
Tilal6991 too for paranoid android
Gok for kernel is gonna be beast.
Lol @ 4. Good start but not exactly a lot. Yet.
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Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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well this is my first sony device, but looks promising, if sony stays open and doesn't screw up like samsung did, even if they are on updates, we'll have CM team for regural updates. actually, i hope this is first device i'll have for more than a year.
we'll see.
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Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.
I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
^aha your right
hello developer!
i think xperia t will get popular because it is the bond phone and the tx looks great in terms of design so it will get popular
Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
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I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah. The Infuse was a less popular device, and as a result, the developer community was highly cooperative for a while. Unfortunately, the device itself was a nightmare to work with so it was ditched by many. Although, interestingly enough, now that some of the worst aspects of this device development-wise have been identified, the Infuse is becoming kind of fun to work with again.
In the case of the T - all evidence seems to indicate that it's going to be a highly pleasant device to work with, AND if it's not a super-popular device, it may have a more pleasant development community than some of the more popular devices.
There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.
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Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.
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I will have to decide on December 1st what phone I'm going to myself.
I personally understand the appeal of a quieter forum where the same issues aren't asked every couple of minutes.. Once or twice, I've actually had trouble finding a solution wading through the, "How do I ________" and most of them had the response, "do a search" :silly:
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I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah.... there are a lot of ungrateful members. I find myself in an awkward position because, I'm not skilled enough to develop a ROM but, I'm know I'm reliant on whatever XDA puts out to stay up to date with the latest ROMs.
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TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
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If I were in a position to take that stance, I would myself.
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There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
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That unfortunately isn't really entirely an option for me. I'm on a family plan and have no capability of getting out of it at the moment. I don't have enough data to make 16 gigs with no SD card feasible.
I really got lucky when my Captivate had identical hardware to the Nexus S and Samsung was actually good about supporting the devs.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.
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Do you think that may have some weight on why Google decided to hop to LG for a Nexus device?
Either way, it sounds like I'll be on the Xperia TL or LG Optimus G this upgrade. The decision isn't exactly becoming easier to make though. At least I managed to scratch off the HOX+
i chose xperia phones becase developers say they are not hard to develop , i have an xperia ray and i have a buttload of roms to choose from... i cant decide so i need to fash every 2week!! (flashaholic :l)
also because sony provides solution for bootloader unlock
Here's what I know so far for the TL. Keep in mind none of this is official, and it is preliminary, so could change.
1) The bootloader will NOT be unlockable on any device that has an active SIMlock. e.g. any device sold on AT&T with a contract subsidy is not going to have an unlockable bootloader. This is almost 100% definite.
2) The bootloader should be unlockable for users who pay full price for the device from AT&T, e.g. anyone who can receive an immediate SIM unlock with AT&T's policies. That said, while AT&T says that any person with a full-price device should be able to immediately remove SIMlocks, often it's a major hassle, and I worry that the bootloader unlock "allowability" process will be even less integrated. Don't count on unlocking your bootloader if you purchase full-price directly from AT&T.
3) Sony may sell the device directly (again - they MAY do it, it's not guaranteed), direct-purchase devices will almost surely have an unlockable bootloader (Not guaranteed, but very likely).
Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:
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Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:
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of course not. It's a different device
Coming from laggy XS, now holding TX,
Sony is doing it right this time, TX design and ICS are so smooth, fast and bug free( at least haven't encounter any yet), TBH I don't have any intention to flash Rom or wait for update (JB).
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Xiaomi promises to update to Android 6 our beloved Note pro, when are this gonna happen?
Other phones with same processor Snap 810 already has android 6 running like one plus 2.
Xiaomi keep giving us useless updates, and when comes with one good update is full of bugs. - No real developing for our Note pro.
Some coustom roms (3 roms and android 5.1.1 - Mokke and CM12.1 (batery drain problem and developer abandoned this roms), Flyme (full of chinese stuff dont get me wrong, but i can not read chinese, at least the apps could be in english. no google play and gives error installing gapps, ota update gives error and can not install any update)- so little developing.
Any one can give us a real working rom (not Miui) whithout this problems and if it can be android 6?
I don't think there's much going to be in terms of development. If you check github for mokee on the other thread, there's bit of activity.
I think we all agree that the phone is not that impressive especially issues with overheating 810. I don't care what miui fanboys say but it definitely heats up when charging and browsing at the same time. You can't touch your face with top corner of the phone due to the hear. I guess we were wrong if we thought if we able to flash other rooms other miui.
Heck, my galaxy s2 is still getting weekly updates for LP and MM rows. Disappointing. Just going to get nexus 6p
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If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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Not a bad OEM at all, I do like Xiaomi but they do make some bad decisions sometimes. Wish there was more development from the community.
this is a great phone, with great specs, but with poor developing, i hope that one or two developers can give us a really great android 6 rom
Given up on the mi note pro and bought G5, guess what nothing happening here in the way of roms either, my wife has the note pro now.
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Not a bad OEM at all, I do like Xiaomi but they do make some bad decisions sometimes. Wish there was more development from the community.
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You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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Obviously, I can see that you typical fanboy
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Gurusev_Uppal said:
Obviously, I can see that you typical fanboy
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First off don't be mad because you did t do your research before getting a device.
Second I would watch how you speak to me before you end up removed.
helderfp said:
this is a great phone, with great specs, but with poor developing, i hope that one or two developers can give us a really great android 6 rom
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To an extent, the heating issues are a fact for mi note pro and other mi phones are getting aosp roms but not much for mi note pro which is flagship device.
Having said that other oem phones with 810 are getting updates and there is overheating issues
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zelendel said:
You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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And why the main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague any reason?
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And why the main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague any reason?
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There are many reasons. The first being that this OEM seldom puts out the proper source code. Violating the GPL is a common thing for china/Asia based devices. Not something 3rd party devs like very much. Then you also have the fact that the MIUI team are known Kangers to the point of removing authorship on commits. We all know how well that goes over. You have to remember where MIUI started. Right here. There is a reason they were banned for so long from here. Another is the warez market that replaces the PlayStore in China based devices. Need I go on?
Don't worry we will see soon Android 6 on the new Miui 8 for our phone...and since there is no problem, there is no need to get new roms but would not be bad to have more choise, also if I would like they care more about camera that is not enough optimized for its quality
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Now I know seem very negative about this OEM and in truth I am. The greatest joy I get is when users like you guys do it anyway. Just because the devs for the teams don't get the devices to support doesn't mean hope is lost. It all depends on how much effort you guys want to put in. You have the devices now so you have 2 choices. 1. Take what they give you and accept it. Or 2. Refuse to and make things happen. The first is the easiest road to take.
There are thousands of threads to help. Read up and see what you guys can do. Remember that is how xda started. Taking what oems gave us and making them better. The ball is and always has been in the users court.
Gurusev_Uppal said:
I think we all agree that the phone is not that impressive especially issues with overheating 810. I don't care what miui fanboys say but it definitely heats up when charging and browsing at the same time. You can't touch your face with top corner of the phone due to the hear.
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I'm not a fanboy of anything (except maybe Fanboy's Adblock List) but I don't experience any of those "810 issues" that get mentioned so much. I use the phone on a daily basis and it never overheats. Granted, I don't play games, so if you do, YMMV. In my usage scenario, the phone can get a little warm when simultaneously charging and using GPS navigation with screen always on but just when browsing? This I really don't get.
To me the phone is actually quite impressive, especially considering how much (or how little) I paid for it. The only annoyance is that the battery capacity could be larger than the ~3000 mAh. That being said, I don't think it's a power drain issue as it's primarily the screen time that is sucking the battery juice, and that is to be expected. So if they could fit a 4000-5000 mAh battery into it, it would have made a marked difference. Other than that, the phone is great.
The little developer attention it gets is because of its limited availability in the West, which is where most (and the best part of) the community-driven development happens. And even in China, the Note Pro has been the most expensive Xiaomi device ever sold to-date. With it, Xiaomi were trying to break into another market segment, or perhaps at least establish themselves as a company that does "premium" phones too. It was never really supposed to sell in high numbers, and for this reason the availability of promotional pricing was also limited. Most of the time, the phone was not really cheap already in China, and when resold abroad through middlemen that also had to earn their cut, it was never going to become a proposition for the masses.
Basically, for high developer activity you need to have a wide user base in the cultural West, due to in particular better work-life balance and the open-source ethos. Missing out on this is Xiaomi's biggest weakness, especially aggravated in America due to the lack of local 4G band support. If you want a lot of development, buy a Nexus device, although these days it pretty much guarantees you'll be overpaying for the hardware. Some Xiaomi devices also get quite a lot of development but for this you should choose a lower-cost one that is or will eventually be released globally. The Redmi Note 3 Pro is one example of such a device and it has already overtaken the Mi Note Pro in terms of development despite being released much later.
As for myself, I prefer MIUI to AOSP/CM in terms of interface although I'm not really happy with the direction its development seems to have taken (MIUI becoming more bloated and less customizable). It would of course be great to have an alternative in case I have to jump the ship but the hype with the version bump from Android 5.1 to 6.0 (which should more accurately be numbered 4.5.1 and 4.6) again I don't get.
Just my 2¢...
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You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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That's understandable but it's not the OEM but the actual device. Firstly if you look at phones like the main Mi series or the Redmi series they have HUGE amount of development. The reason for that? .. Kernel sources were released early we didn't have to wait over a year and the user base is absolutely huge unlike the Mi Note Pro that's exclusive only to China no other Asian countries such as India. So you are like comparing OEM's that released a phone e.g HTC One (GLOBALLY) which everyone can get to a Mi Note Pro (EXCLUSIVE TO CHINA) that's why there is hardly any development going + the delay of kernel sources and forgot to mention a lot of people got for the cheaper option such as Mi Note which has a lot more development as the USER BASE IS BIGGER. Simple? If you were developing an app what would you develop it for first? Android or Blackberry OS? Obviously Android as it has a bigger USER BASE. Same goes for the phones developers work on ROMs with a lot bigger user base where they will reach a lot bigger audience.
Even Xiaomi shows this with their actions:
The new MIUI8 Beta gets released for Mi Note, which is much wider spread (due to it's price difference). Even though the Pro has a much better SD810 compared to the Mi Note. That also went for most experiments like a Windows ROM for the Mi Note, but not for the Mi Note Pro.
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That's understandable but it's not the OEM but the actual device. Firstly if you look at phones like the main Mi series or the Redmi series they have HUGE amount of development. The reason for that? .. Kernel sources were released early we didn't have to wait over a year and the user base is absolutely huge unlike the Mi Note Pro that's exclusive only to China no other Asian countries such as India. So you are like comparing OEM's that released a phone e.g HTC One (GLOBALLY) which everyone can get to a Mi Note Pro (EXCLUSIVE TO CHINA) that's why there is hardly any development going + the delay of kernel sources and forgot to mention a lot of people got for the cheaper option such as Mi Note which has a lot more development as the USER BASE IS BIGGER. Simple? If you were developing an app what would you develop it for first? Android or Blackberry OS? Obviously Android as it has a bigger USER BASE. Same goes for the phones developers work on ROMs with a lot bigger user base where they will reach a lot bigger audience.
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See you are looking at this wrong. There is a hug diff between developers of roms and app developers. App developers want people using their apps. It's a great way to make money. Rom developers really couldn't care less.
The fact that it is only available in Asia is not really a big deal. Most developers here (myself encluded) have been importing devices for decades. Hell I was using a China based tilt for the FFC before apple ever released the first one stateside. So if developers wanted the device they could easily get it.
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See you are looking at this wrong. There is a hug diff between developers of roms and app developers. App developers want people using their apps. It's a great way to make money. Rom developers really couldn't care less.
The fact that it is only available in Asia is not really a big deal. Most developers here (myself encluded) have been importing devices for decades. Hell I was using a China based tilt for the FFC before apple ever released the first one stateside. So if developers wanted the device they could easily get it.
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So tell me the reason they stay away apart from taking ages with kernel sources
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So tell me the reason they stay away apart from taking ages with kernel sources
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You have to understand that MIUI has a history here. The team is known for taking the code of other devs and removing the authorship of the commit. (they were caught out and then they closed the source) There have been many supporters over the years. I was a huge fan when they started because the Theme engine had great potential. Key word is "had". The main developer for APT tool was a huge supporter for a while and then even he dropped all support for Xiaomi and MIUI.
The GPL is also a very big deal to most developers. It embodies that which Linux/Android is built on. Even when they do release it, it is never complete and needs fixing. This only happens because they are behind the China firewall.
If you notice it is not just this OEM. It is many others. If you look in team groups and pay attention you will notice a pattern. There are OEMs that are avoided. Xiaomi has been one of them for years. Huawei has also been one for a long time. Heck they were even on a ban list for Gov employees. And the dreaded Generic named device. Now this is for many reasons. Quality control, After sales ,support, GPL (android), Security concerns, The iphoneish look (this matters to many, far more then you would think). So there are some reasons. Hope this has offered some insight.
Dear OnePlus 3t owners,
Is it sensible to buy a new OP3T after OP decided to kill updates post-O?
On this device, easy root, no updates but plenty of community support.
On others (S8, XZ Premium, other mainstream flagships), loss of features with root, somewhat more updates with less community support.
Please help me take my decision, and any and all help is greatly appreciated!
It depends if you want a phone to play around and mod or you want a phone to have longer updates although longer updates are not a guarantee in any brand even Google promises updates for 2 years only. 3t is still a pretty good device and I think we'll have good dev support for atleast a couple of years
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No update ? Hmm, don't know where you see this, OpenBeta 13 has just been release today.
Personally, I bought the OnePlus 3T like one week ago for 350e on Ebay, very happy with with.
Before it, I bought a OnePlus 5 day one, and, well, if I'm here today, it's because I was very disappointed (*cough* Jelly Effect *cough* ), and I bought the OnePlus 3T because I need a new device right now: I prepare a trip in South Korea, and need a new device to replace the time bomb OnePlus 2 (sorry about my life topic).
I share the idea about the fact that the OnePlus 3T was the true Flagship Killer: low price for very good specs.
You can see that the device is still in top 3 devices on XDA (behind Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+ and LG G6), and for me, it's an indicator that the OnePlus 3T still has a bright future.
So yeah, OnePlus won't update the OnePlus 3T after Android O (but still security update tho), but he, we are on XDA, so plenty of custom ROMs available!
After all, I can't either ""force"" you to buy or not the OnePlus 3T. It depends on multiple points
-How many you want to put in your phone ?
-What is a good smartphone for you ?
-Do you care about officials updates of custom ROMs is ok for you ?
1. No updates: I actually meant "no major version updates".
2. So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
3. Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device? (My 1st OP device, hope ROMs are as stable as stock to the contrary of Samsung)
4. Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
Thanks for your advice! I'm actually biased towards buying the device but I have had my reservations
Well, I'm a tinkerer but I really prefer more updates as I do prefer longevity (3-4 years of college, not enough $$$ to spend on phones). Thank you a lot!
I don't think it'll matter. Android O will be a nice send off and I think said that they'll provide security updates also. The community will support this phone for many android revisions and groups/people like PA or Sultan got the same camera quality on their AOSP roms
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
I'm content with the device on O but as soon as P rolls out a problem arises. Community ROMs are not exactly stable (coming from Samsung, no idea w/ OP3T though) and I've read somewhere that PA and/or Sultan received the blobs from OP through bribery or something ... What do you think?
So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
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Jelly Effect is a deal breaker for me. Search for it on internet, you will see.
Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device?
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For now, I don't know. I just flash a custom kernel on my device, but still under OxygenOS for now.
Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
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As I said, I don't know. But some recognized devs build ROMs which camera which seems to be as good as stock one (such as SultanXDA's ROM or ParanoidAndroid)
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
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The OnePlus 2 was produced with the Snapdragon 810, which is, let's be honest, a sh*t. My user experience with it was pretty bad. Also, I don't know if you saw, but the Nexus 6P (which also has the Snapdragon 810) is victims of problems with this processor: actually, some users have a phone which can't even boot anymore. A user find a solution, but actually, the phone now uses 4 cores (the little cluster) instead of 8 (little + big cluster): I don't want the OnePlus 2 to ends like this, so I bought a new phone, just to be sure.
Aaaaand I f*cked up my answer. Of course, this posts contains answer to your questions @WaseemAlkurdi
Custom roms are far more stable on the 3t then on Samsung devices. Less hacking needed.
Updates are kinda over rated at this point. With the 3t you can just build it yourself. Though I would avoid Los based or PA based roms. Those tend to have the most issues with things like instability.
Think of it this way: would you buy this phone and use it as is, or would you out a custom ROM on it?
It might not get any updates from UP after O, but it's gonna get at least 3 more years of support from Lineage and others.
There are a plethora of "stable" custom built ROMs by several very talented developers.
To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment.
I've been running some form of a custom ROM for the past 7 years over a a multitude of phones following well known developers that in my opinion and experience put out better device software than the factory.
If you do choose the OP3T, you'll not be disappointed as it's a quality device with excellent community support.
Like could I build "OxygenOS P" myself?
And if LOS and PA ROMs aren't stable, is AOSP so? And that makes for a tradeoff for camera quality, as an earlier comment said that camera is the best on PA and Sultan (Sultan's being LOS based AFAIK)
@giant22000
Seems like it's going to be the OnePlus 3t after all, and what remains to be done is convincing my dad that an unknown China OEM (in local market's view - not our view) can make solid hardware.
"To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment."
This is relative. Coming from various Samsung devices, namely the Galaxy Grand 2 and the Galaxy Star (the crappiest device known to mankind) and servicing others including flagship models, it does happen that custom ROMs are, to say the best, variable in stability, ranging from crappiest (CM on the Galaxy S Duos and on the Star) to semi-stable (the stuff on high-end phones.
@ast00
I am a tinkerer by nature, no Android phone is mine unless the bootloader is unlocked, custom ROM, kernel, overclock, and later on, development.
I am only concerned about official updates as this may mean eventually being deserted by the community. Is this the case here?
@casual_kikoo
Thanks for your detailed answers!
Yes AOSP tend to be more stable then the other two. Just look at the thread and you will see issues with bootloops and other things. Yet AOSP based roms do not suffer from this.
The camera is good enough no matter the range. I tested both and to be honest it made little difference.
No you are not gonna build Oxygen OS as it is closed source but then again why would you want to?
Stability, mate. Heard that OOS is the most stable, then comes AOSP, then comes LOS.
And if it were possible to build OOS, the update issue would be fixed of course. But alas, it isn't possible, as you said.
No. Most ROMs run on the 3 and the 3T. I mean you flash the same zip for both phones.
This is good because our community is the size of 2 phone's communities. You will have plenty of support later on.
Take nexus 5 as example, its still getting regular rom updates such as PA or lineage, this device will be no different.. it will receive android updates from xda community for a long time
(I have no permissions for ROMs sections so posting this here)
So it looks things are slowly moving , and we are able to unlock bootloader and root our devices.
User @auras76 was kind enough to bring as the first ROM available, but I guess I am not the only one looking forward to get rid of EMUI and its poor customisation layer
I hope once firm .173 hits general release we start getting more dev interest, but the goal of this thread is to find out if any dev could be potentially interested (or already planning) to work on a non-EMUI ROM
I can imagine a bounty could be organised for users to support financially this action.
What are everyone's thoughts on this?
Doubt you will see much development of any major Rom's if there is not a free way to unlock your bootloader as there just won't be that many unlocked devices
I am fully aware of that, however let´s hope that changes if/when .171 FW is generally available and allows bootloader unlock.
I just wanted to check if there would be a way to attract some devs here, even by supporting their work (purchasing a device? 10$ per person???)
If you like custom ROMs so much buy a One Plus phone. Lots of custom ROMs and every custom ROM has bugs. There is no build of any custom ROM that doesn't have bugs and sometimes the bugs on "stable" versions of custom ROMs are so serious they impact the basic functionality of the phone.
If you think I'm exaggerating pick a custom ROM for the OP5, 5T, OP6 or 6T and look at the last several pages of user posts.
They will be users reporting bugs-often very serious ones.
If you pick an OP5 or 5T ROM many will no longer be in development. The last several pages before the ROM was abandoned will be users still reporting bugs that will never get fixed.
And that is on phones that are supposedly very development friendly.
The days of custom ROMs that improve a phone's functionality, speed and stability over the stock ROM died with Nexus phones but if you want to run a custom ROM anyway buying this phone makes pretty much no sense because Huawei is not developer friendly. They don't want owners of Huawei phones to unlock their bootloaders or run custom ROMs on Huawei devices. The same is true for Xiaomi and Samsung phones.
For that matter Google, the company behind Nexus phones which were the most developed friendly phones anyone could buy no longer wants people to use custom ROMs which is why they came up with the ROM certification program and safety net.
Apps that help phone owners bypass safety net are automatically banned from the Play Store. Whatever method Magisk uses to bypass Safety Net gets plugged by Google forcing the developer to come up with a new method that will stop working when it also gets plugged by Google.
The developer behind SuperSu said the writing was on the wall for original Android development several years ago and he knew what he was talking about.
Well, I thought XDA was exactly the place where people "like custom ROMS" and tinker with their phones.
I am coming exactly from OP phone so I know how scene works there.
OP phones are dev-friendly but not many people try different ROMs as Oxygen is probably the smoothest implementation layer of all manufacturers, so there is no need other to change other than fun.
But we are not talking about OP but Huawei here, which is the opposite case. Lousy software implementation, from battery management (see the Powergenie issues threads), to Huawei bloatware, notification handling, little customisation allowed.... So Huawei is not like OP but more like Xiaomi, heavily (not for good) customised Android version. And there might be not many OP ROMS, but check in Xiaomi land... many super stable versions that improve almost any Xiaomi device with AOSP or LOS versions.
As I said, maybe all it takes is to support a dev with a device for ROM release... I know I wouldn't be the only one looking forward to this.
Alright let's clear up what XDA is about.
It's a hub for developers. It's not a hub for people coming in with no knowledge demanding/posting hundreds of threads asking for ROMs for a device which is bootloader locked in most cases. Attitude like this steers developers away from devices because of noob communities. Look at the Samsung community on XDA.
Huwaei is still an infant when it comes to Android so they are learning the ins and outs of what works and what doesn't. Give em a break. They produce amazing devices with amazing technology. Just because it's locked doesn't mean you have to get your nickers in a twist because no one wants to develop for a new company on the Android scene. Give it some time. Maybe someone will come along and get the ball rolling for everyone and find a nice little backdoor in the bootloader and make it possible for everyone. Till then don't hold your breath and stamp your feet. Do your research before you flog out a grand on a device that might not have unofficial development for.
I really hope we can open this device up for more development, what could we do with unbridled access to the NPU, 3 rear cameras and the front 3d point cloud camera array
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If you like custom ROMs so much buy a One Plus phone. Lots of custom ROMs and every custom ROM has bugs. There is no build of any custom ROM that doesn't have bugs and sometimes the bugs on "stable" versions of custom ROMs are so serious they impact the basic functionality of the phone. .
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Had to pop in here to tell you you're completely wrong on that one.
Off the top of my head. No limits xXx for the OnePlus 5, not a single bug.
From Oreo 8.1 anyway.
A lot for devices have ROMs which surpass stock in more ways than one and have zero bugs
Further to my point and @ the OP.
The p20 pro has only seen ROMs because of the last few users / developers who have committed to Huawei/Honor devices and the fact that Honor view 10 ROMs work on the pro, in light of the changes made by Huawei IE: bootloader lock down, you will not see a lot of ROMs at all for your device in fact anyone who wants to root / flash / unlock their phones should not touch Huawei or Honor ever again, maybe (and that's a big maybe) the greedy pair of OEMs will see sense. But I doubt it.
Advice in short, dont buy their phones, I certainly won't ever again. They don't deserve it after what they've done.
As far as I can remember OnePlus has had ROMs / mods / kernels and god knows what very early on.
This turd? it's at the back of a very long smelly queue, the level of interest is non existent.
If you're planning to jump ship to this!
Don't.
Get a pixel or wait.
For me if this phone fails then it's bye bye OnePlus.
WTH happened??
They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.
Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.
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They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.
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I've got no words for that..
Just an emoji.
To you OnePlus
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Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.
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I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold
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I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold
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Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.
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Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.
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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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If Qualcomm is going to start being anti-developer, I guess it's a good thing that Pixel doesn't use their processors anymore.
EtherealRemnant said:
There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.
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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.
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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.
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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.
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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google
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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google
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Oh no, I definitely do care for custom ROMs, I am *never* happy being locked down to what the manufacturer wants me to have which is why my last Samsung was the Note 5. If I got a Pixel, I would probably install ProtonAOSP (which is available on Pixel 6/Pro), use the Pixelify Magisk module to get back anything I lost, and be happy as can be. The only reasons I didn't go with the Pixel 6 originally were the reports of the crappy screen, the crappy Samsung modem (that's still giving people problems), and the crappy battery life. The 6 Pro was out because of the curved screen, the crappy modem, and the crappy battery life. My OP9 has none of those issues, just janky stock software complete with a massive and unacceptable SoC throttle and a buggy boot/fastboot implementation that makes it easy to brick.
I am happy with my OnePlus 9 now that I have StagOS paired with OOS12 C.48 firmware, there are only very minor issues and one major one that I have to remember to work around every time I restart the phone, but I am never happy for long and I get grass is always greener syndrome pretty frequently lol. I have been keeping tabs on the OP10P forum because it was originally going to be my next device (I only just got my 9 in February and I'm already wanting something new) but obviously the situation right now with OOS12 being a dumpster fire and how many people have bricked their OP10P trying to root it or change the firmware between regions... it's not a great sales pitch for sure when there isn't an MSM available and it sounds like there won't be for quite awhile, if ever.
There are so many issues with this phone and I started to hate the OnePlus. I'm definitely going to change my OP10 Pro to Google Pixel 7!
Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.
Prant said:
Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.
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The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...
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Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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Nah, something else might come along but not Google. You can always leave it up to Google to **** something good up.
Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...
Aldonski said:
On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...
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Cheers ace, I was slightly inebriated last night
Timmmmaaahh! said:
Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...
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Huawei!! Seems they all sing from the same song sheet.
Bring back HTC, c'mon Taiwan. You got this bro..
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Huawei!!
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