Hi All,
I bought a Verizon Droid Turbo more than a year ago in USA at full price (unlocked), used it there and now I am in India.
I am using a local telecom operator 'Tata Docomo CDMA', but the mobile data is not working on it. I had a debug session with one of the engineers. He said the APN username has [email protected] and due to this it is failing authentication and hence data not working. The APN username was set to <mobilenumber>@omh.ttsl.in . This username was not getting reflected.
Phone is not rooted.
Have tried the following combinations.
1. Problem CDMA sim + Droid Turbo= No Data
2. other number CDMA sim + Droid Turbo= Data working, no APN settings done. This sim is old one.
3. Reset to default for APN + add new APN on Droid Turbo= no Data
4. Problem CDMA sim + HTC one M7 = Data working, no APN settings done
I am clueless at this point.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Well, I just did some research and your carrier is shutting down their CDMA service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_DoCoMo#CDMA_shutdown
CDMA shutdown
Tata Docomo is at present shutting down the CDMA network. It started calling its subscribers to migrate to GSM and confirmed CDMA network would not be available after 1st July 2016 in various telecom circle areas across India.
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It's already started in some regions:
Following RCOM�s decision to shut down its CDMA network across the country as part of 4G upgrade, TATA Docomo has now announced that it will shutdown its CDMA network in Andhra Pradesh circle. As per update from Docomo customer care, Tata Docomo CDMA services will not be available in the circle from 30-06-2016.
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So, you're not going to be able to use CDMA anyway in a few months, even if where you live still has it. Are you sure your region still has it?
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OK, here's two possible reasons.
1) your CDMA carrier uses different frequencies than what your Verizon phone has.
What frequencies does your carrier use? Here's what the Droid Turbo has.
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In articles I see references your carrier uses 850 Mhz for CDMA ?
MUMBAI: Tata Teleservices is gradually shutting its CDMA operations running on the 850 Mhz band and writing off its equipment value, said three people familiar with the company's plans
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If true, that's not what the Droid Turbo has.
That quote above may not be factually correct. I really can't find much information about specific CDMA bands your carrier uses.
OR
2) Possibly your CDMA bands are locked to Verizon? Verizon's LTE bands are unlocked on their phones but I can't find confirmation they unlocked their CDMA portion on their phones... If not, it CAN be unlocked but it just may not be unlocked right now.
This may or may not be an answer, but how did you obtain your phone? Here's why I'm asking...
Before Verizon launched LTE network, they were notorious for locking their CDMA phones to their network. When they went to LTE, they started doing that also. Our U.S. communications agency, called the FCC, told Verizon if they wanted any more LTE spectrum (in future airwaves auctions) they would have to unlock their LTE phones. Verizon agreed. This happened in 2012.
So, if you stick in an LTE sim card from another carrier, you will get LTE signal. All of Verizon's recent phones, like the 2014 Droid Turbo XT1254, also have HSPA bands -- which would also be unlocked (because Verizon doesn't use HSPA, but it's there).
Not many carriers use CDMA. Here's my point. I can find no confirmation Verizon ever agreed to unlock the CDMA on their phones. That was NOT part of the agreement, only LTE. (They may unlock it also, I just can't find confirmations.) Right now, your CDMA bands may still only work if connected to Verizon.
Now, a lot of dealers who sell Droid Turbos (or any Verizon phone) in other countries know how to "unlock" the phones so they will work on other networks.
IF my hypothesis is correct and IF your phone was obtained from a non-dealer, say a private sale, it may not be unlocked for CDMA use on other carriers. You would need to get it network unlocked. There are internet based services who do this kind of work as well as 3rd party dealers.
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Additional questions:
HTC one M7 ? What carrier is that phone affiliated with? Did you buy it used somewhere or is it your carrier's phone? Or at least an "India" carrier phone? What CDMA bands does it have?
Oh, lot of questions, but I have answers for all.
ChazzMatt said:
So, you're not going to be able to use CDMA anyway in a few months, even if where you live still has it. Are you sure your region still has it?
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Yes, they are shutting down the business. But the region where I belong to Andhra Pradesh/Telangana, they would be shutting down next year mid 2017. This is not in the news as such, but got it from the internal guys. This region has the one of maximum subscribers so they decided it to keep it going longer.
ChazzMatt said:
1) your CDMA carrier uses different frequencies than what your Verizon phone has.
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I have multiple Verizon devices (Moto Droid Turbo, Moto Droid Razr, Samsung Galaxy Stellar) using the same network operator Tata Docomo CDMA. Although I didnt lookup the exact frequencies, but I can assure you that they work on this operator and have same frequency as Verizon.
ChazzMatt said:
2) Possibly your CDMA bands are locked to Verizon? Verizon's LTE bands are unlocked on their phones but I can't find confirmation they unlocked their CDMA portion on their phones... If not, it CAN be unlocked but it just may not be unlocked right now.
This may or may not be an answer, but how did you obtain your phone? Here's why I'm asking...
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I bought the handset Moto Droid Turbo at full price in USA. Moreover, I have another sim (~4 years) from the same operator (Tata Docomo CDMA) which works perfectly fine in Moto Droid Turbo. The calls/data work out of the box, no settings required.
But for this particular sim from the same operator, which I recently received, only calls work, no data.
So let me put it this way.
Tata Docomo CDMA sim 1: Moto Droid Turbo - Calls only
Tata Docomo CDMA sim 2: Moto Droid Turbo - Calls + Data
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HTC one M7 ? What carrier is that phone affiliated with? Did you buy it used somewhere or is it your carrier's phone? Or at least an "India" carrier phone? What CDMA bands does it have?
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So the Asian market has comparatively different handsets compared to the Western market. Most of the handsets are not carrier based, they are sold with out any carrier branding to work on any carrier.
This HTC One M7 has dual sim capability and the first slot supports both GSM and CDMA network.
HTC one M7, dual sim for India
The very bottom is most important. The rest is working through my reasoning and how some of your answers dashed my theories.
Ahmplus said:
Have tried the following combinations.
1. Problem CDMA sim + Droid Turbo= No Data
2. other number CDMA sim + Droid Turbo= Data working, no APN settings done. This sim is old one.
3. Reset to default for APN + add new APN on Droid Turbo= no Data
4. Problem CDMA sim + HTC one M7 = Data working, no APN settings done
I am clueless at this point.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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We'll come back to this in a minute. I admit I may have glossed over some of this initially but you repeated it and it stuck the second time. Thank you. Repetition does work for me, especially when presented slightly differently. I was more focused on the HTC working and the Droid Turbo not working on your SIM card, and why. I missed that one of your SIM cards works great with the Droid Turbo.
Ahmplus said:
Oh, lot of questions, but I have answers for all.
Yes, they are shutting down the business. But the region where I belong to Andhra Pradesh/Telangana, they would be shutting down next year mid 2017. This is not in the news as such, but got it from the internal guys. This region has the one of maximum subscribers so they decided it to keep it going longer.]
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OK, my concern was either they may be using some strange frequency for your CDMA that that Droid Turbo couldn't handle or they may be cutting out CDMA in your area.
I know you have an HTC One M7 that still gets CDMA, but I thought maybe it was an "India" version that could handle unorthodox CDMA frequencies that U.S. phones cannot handle. (Your link to specs of the HTC M7 dashed that theory. It uses 800 MHz for CDMA).
Here in the U.S. for a few years I was a subscriber to regional CDMA/LTE service that used an uncommon frequency for CDMA. All their phones had access to an extra CDMA band that Verizon phones did not have. I thought that might be the same in India...
Or that your carrier was using a mix of "regular" CDMA frequencies with unorthodox and only the uncommon were left running (for now) as they shut down their CDMA system.
It would explain why the HTC would work (because it was perhaps manufactured for India) while the U.S. would not work.
I specifically bought three Moto XT1225 (known as the Moto Turbo XT1225 in India) from other countries because they have all the U.S. AT&T LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17). Whereas the Droid Turbo XT1254/U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 only have 2, 3, 4, 7, 13. Doesn't have LTE bands 5 & 17. And AT&T doesn't use CDMA. For people using the Droid Turbo on AT&T, they will only get LTE in areas with LTE bands 2 & 4, and will have to drop down to HSPA in areas where AT&T uses LTE bands 5 and 17. LTE 17 is used a LOT by AT&T in Atlanta where i work.
I thought something similar was happening to you, if certain CDMA bands were being discontinued in your area, but you have no other frequencies (like HSPA) to drop down to.
However, since one of your two SIM cards (both same carrier) works just fine with the Droid Turbo, then that's a dead end.
Ahmplus said:
I have multiple Verizon devices (Moto Droid Turbo, Moto Droid Razr, Samsung Galaxy Stellar) using the same network operator Tata Docomo CDMA. Although I didn't lookup the exact frequencies, but I can assure you that they work on this operator and have same frequency as Verizon..
I bought the handset Moto Droid Turbo at full price in USA
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Yes, but I asked how/where you bought the Droid Turbo, for a reason. You answered, but this was my theory...
When I bought my three XT1225, one was already "unlocked" Motorola factory model from Mexico. Two of them however were Claro carrier models from Puerto Rico. They are locked to Claro, would not normally work on other carriers like AT&T -- but the eBay dealers unlocked them before shipping them to me. They have to be unlocked by special code before they can be used on other carriers. I thought perhaps the CDMA portion of the Droid Turbo was that way. I know the LTE is unlocked, and the HSPA, but Verizon has a history of locking CDMA to their network.
an unlock code for these Verizon devices: try 000000 or 123456 to use these phones on a different carrier.
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Again, that's now a dead end since one of your two SIM cards works just fine with this Droid Turbo.
Ahmplus said:
So the Asian market has comparatively different handsets compared to the Western market. Most of the handsets are not carrier based, they are sold with out any carrier branding to work on any carrier.
This HTC One M7 has dual sim capability and the first slot supports both GSM and CDMA network.
HTC one M7, dual sim for India
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My Mexico XT1225 was the same way -- no carrier branding, totally unlocked.
According to that link, your HTC M7 only has 800Mhz for CMDA, but the Droid Turbo also has that.
HTC One dual sim
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SIM1: Up to HSPA (900/2100 MHz) and up to EVDO REV. B(800 MHz)
SIM2: Up to EDGE (900/1800/1900 MHz)
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Ahmplus said:
Moreover, I have another sim (~4 years) from the same operator (Tata Docomo CDMA) which works perfectly fine in Moto Droid Turbo. The calls/data work out of the box, no settings required.
But for this particular sim from the same operator, which I recently received, only calls work, no data.
So let me put it this way.
Tata Docomo CDMA sim 1: Moto Droid Turbo - Calls only (NEW SIM)
Tata Docomo CDMA sim 2: Moto Droid Turbo - Calls + Data] (OLD SIM)
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Ahmplus said:
I have multiple Verizon devices (Moto Droid Turbo, Moto Droid Razr, Samsung Galaxy Stellar) using the same network operator Tata Docomo CDMA
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Does this new SIM -- the one that works with the HTC, but not the Droid Turbo -- also work well with your Moto Droid Razr, Samsung Galaxy Stellar? Is it just the Droid Turbo that has issues with the new SIM?
I assume the old SIM card, the one that works well for the Droid Turbo, also works well with your Moto Droid Razr, Samsung Galaxy Stellar?
I wondering if your carrier has changed something in their SIM cards, if the OLD one works fine for all phones, but the new one does not -- especially a U.S. phone?
Try this anyway on your Droid Turbo, can't hurt:
an unlock code for these Verizon devices: try 000000 or 123456 to use these phones on a different carrier.
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RELATED:
How do i unlock Verizon Motorola droid 3 for tata CDMA??
https://www.techenclave.com/communi...erizon-motorola-droid-3-for-tata-cdma.140054/
You are correct, the operator has upgraded the sims over the last couple of years, but I cant exactly say what has been changed.
I cross checked with Verizon, they said the device is factory unlocked, so no point in trying the unlock code.
Yup, I am at a dead end.
Although I can set the APN, but that doesnt have any affect on the Data connection. I got it debugged with the operator, he says that some verizon username ([email protected]) comes in APN hence the connection is getting refused or in short authentication failure.
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You are correct, the operator has upgraded the sims over the last couple of years, but I cant exactly say what has been changed.
I cross checked with Verizon, they said the device is factory unlocked, so no point in trying the unlock code.
Yup, I am at a dead end.
Although I can set the APN, but that doesnt have any affect on the Data connection. I got it debugged with the operator, he says that some verizon username ([email protected]) comes in APN hence the connection is getting refused or in short authentication failure.
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Hmmm.... is your Droid Turbo bootloader unlocked? What if you flashed XT1250 firmware over the XT1254? Firmware including radio. That would wipe out all Verizon references. XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo are the exact same device with the same FCC ID. Same radio bands, and everything. Many people have flashed XT1250 over XT1254 and vice versa. As long as your bootloader is unlocked and you don't try to downgrade bootloader versions (i.e. gpt.bin) you should be OK. Even if something goes wrong, with unlocked bootloader you can always just re-flash the Verizon firmware.
People have even done it with locked bootloaders but you have to get everything exactly right. I wouldn't take a chance with a locked bootloader.
EVERY QUARK FIRMWARE EVER RELEASED
http://www.filefactory.com/folder/f9d1880e6c5b4800/?sort=created&order=DESC&show=50
I have never tried rooting or unlocking the boot loader. So that's a risky area for me as I am unaware of it.
I might give it a try it I am willing to go out of comfort zone
Thanks for the links and the help.
Have an update.
With official Verizon update for Moto Droid Turbo, which upgraded to Marshmallow, the issue is resolved.
Data works without any APN settings.
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I have an Ekit SIM card that we have used successfully for international calling when we're traveling (we're based in the US). I have used it in my old HTC Touch Pro 2 (one of Verizon's 'world phones') - put in the card, then the pin, and it connects to available GSM signals. Testing it out at my home in NC, it quickly connects to TMobile.
I have SIM unlocked my wife's Motorola Droid 3, another Verizon 'world phone' - I install the SIM, boot it up, type in the PIN which is accepted, but when it tries to connect, I get the following:
Network Error
No GSM/UMTS networks were found. Would you like to switch to the Global mode?
Is there something different about the signal bands between these 2 phones, such that my Touch Pro 2 has no problem connecting to TMobile GSM here in the US, while the Droid 3 won't? Now that I write this, I do kind of remember reading somewhere that the Droid 3 is not compatible with US GSM bands, so that might explain it.
The bigger question is will it still work outside the US? Specifically, we're going to Tanzania, by way of Amsterdam, and would like to have the option of calling home, or receiving calls from home, with my wife's Droid 3 (I retired my Touch Pro 2, and am now using the Samsung Galaxy Nexus).
We want to travel as light as possible, so would prefer not to bring an extra phone if the Droid 3 will in fact work with this SIM card when overseas.
Thanks!
Being that you have a U.S. branded DROID 3, you need to do some modifications to get it to work on GSM carriers.
Everything you need is here
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KayxGee1 said:
Being that you have a U.S. branded DROID 3, you need to do some modifications to get it to work on GSM carriers.
Everything you need is here
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Thanks for the reply - interesting link!
In my case, I don't need it work on GSM carriers in the U.S. - I just want to be confident it will work when I'm overseas.
I did a little more checking, and confirmed that (without the steps in your link) the Droid 3 would not work with US GSM carriers, so I'm reasonably confident I'll be okay when I get overseas.
Thanks again.
DLCPhoto said:
Thanks for the reply - interesting link!
In my case, I don't need it work on GSM carriers in the U.S. - I just want to be confident it will work when I'm overseas.
I did a little more checking, and confirmed that (without the steps in your link) the Droid 3 would not work with US GSM carriers, so I'm reasonably confident I'll be okay when I get overseas.
Thanks again.
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You just need the unlock code, either by contacting Verizon with an account in good standing (or a friend with one) or purchasing one by a well known code dealer (I've heard several people recommend unlock4moto). Although you did mention you already unlocked it. Just putting that there for drifters reading the thread.
After unlock, the D3 should work flawless with foreign GSM carriers, you just need to make sure to input the APNs for data if they are not provided already on the SIM. Otherwise, the phone will not connect to US GSM networks (such as T-Mobile, which is 2g only, D3 lacks the 1700MHz band for Tmo 3g), it would require a flash of the XT883 radio + build.prop... Which is actually quite quick, painless, and simple once you do it a couple times. I keep a copy of both build.props in my /system folder.
For informational purposes; the D3 supports these bands to compare to carriers;
UMTS on 850Mhz, 1900Mhz, and 2100Mhz. (Supports HSPA+ 14.4Mbps)
GSM/EDGE on 850Mhz, 900Mhz, 1800Mhz, and 1900MHz.
CDMA on 800Mhz and 1900Mhz
Stock radio gets you; Verizon in the US, unlocked for any foreign GSM network
XT883 radio gets you; No CDMA (Might work with RUIM card, SIM equiv for foreign CDMA networks/4g LTE networks) GSM anywhere, including the US.
Skreelink said:
You just need the unlock code, either by contacting Verizon with an account in good standing (or a friend with one) or purchasing one by a well known code dealer (I've heard several people recommend unlock4moto). Although you did mention you already unlocked it. Just putting that there for drifters reading the thread.
After unlock, the D3 should work flawless with foreign GSM carriers, you just need to make sure to input the APNs for data if they are not provided already on the SIM. Otherwise, the phone will not connect to US GSM networks (such as T-Mobile, which is 2g only, D3 lacks the 1700MHz band for Tmo 3g), it would require a flash of the XT883 radio + build.prop... Which is actually quite quick, painless, and simple once you do it a couple times. I keep a copy of both build.props in my /system folder.
For informational purposes; the D3 supports these bands to compare to carriers;
UMTS on 850Mhz, 1900Mhz, and 2100Mhz. (Supports HSPA+ 14.4Mbps)
GSM/EDGE on 850Mhz, 900Mhz, 1800Mhz, and 1900MHz.
CDMA on 800Mhz and 1900Mhz
Stock radio gets you; Verizon in the US, unlocked for any foreign GSM network
XT883 radio gets you; No CDMA (Might work with RUIM card, SIM equiv for foreign CDMA networks/4g LTE networks) GSM anywhere, including the US.
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Yes, I've already unlocked the SIM - got that through Verizon with no difficulty. Appreciate the other details!
Based on what I've read, and the posts here, I'll be happy to leave my Touch Pro 2 home, and the D3 should do what I need to on my trip. I actually don't need/want data on my phone out there - just wanted another option to call home when WiFi isn't available (I'll be using Skype when it is).
Thanks for the replies - told me what I needed to know!
DLCPhoto said:
Yes, I've already unlocked the SIM - got that through Verizon with no difficulty. Appreciate the other details!
Based on what I've read, and the posts here, I'll be happy to leave my Touch Pro 2 home, and the D3 should do what I need to on my trip. I actually don't need/want data on my phone out there - just wanted another option to call home when WiFi isn't available (I'll be using Skype when it is).
Thanks for the replies - told me what I needed to know!
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I hope you enjoy your romp around the globe!
Wondering if the unlocked Tmobile Moto X will work on either CDMA carrier in the US (VZW, Sprint, or any of their off-contract small spin off carriers)?
I've read that people have gotten the VZW Moto X to work on T Mobile GSM, but haven't heard definitively whether the Tmobile version will work with Sprint or Straight Talk?
I'd like to buy an off contract version of the X and be able to use it on T Mobile, ATT, Straight Talk or Sprint towers in the USA. I'm currently with Sprint but am tired of them locking devices to their network not allowing you to use your device elsewhere. Was going to switch to Tmobile and have them pay my ETF so I'm contract free. Coverage is spotty sometimes in rural areas between carriers, so if after doing this Tmobile coverage sucks if I can use it with Straight Talk (which uses ATT towers I believe) then I would have better coverage from the same device. An added plus would be if it works on Sprint too, cuz then I could buy the Tmobile unlocked version now and use it on Sprint, then switch to Tmobile later on instead of having to do both at once.
bobby2478 said:
Wondering if the unlocked Tmobile Moto X will work on either CDMA carrier in the US (VZW, Sprint, or any of their off-contract small spin off carriers)?
I've read that people have gotten the VZW Moto X to work on T Mobile GSM, but haven't heard definitively whether the Tmobile version will work with Sprint or Straight Talk?
I'd like to buy an off contract version of the X and be able to use it on T Mobile, ATT, Straight Talk or Sprint towers in the USA. I'm currently with Sprint but am tired of them locking devices to their network not allowing you to use your device elsewhere. Was going to switch to Tmobile and have them pay my ETF so I'm contract free. Coverage is spotty sometimes in rural areas between carriers, so if after doing this Tmobile coverage sucks if I can use it with Straight Talk (which uses ATT towers I believe) then I would have better coverage from the same device. An added plus would be if it works on Sprint too, cuz then I could buy the Tmobile unlocked version now and use it on Sprint, then switch to Tmobile later on instead of having to do both at once.
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Are you on a sprint family plan? If so, do they have a lower rate plan for tablets, or something of the sort?
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Are you on a sprint family plan? If so, do they have a lower rate plan for tablets, or something of the sort?
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Yes and yes, they just switched me to their "Framily" plan. My frustration with Sprint honestly is around their current network rollout as I started getting dropped calls and network issues all the time now when I never did before. Their LTE rollout is such a mess, and it will take years to resolve. And ever since the 4.2 update for my GS4 it's been behaving like crap (poor battery life, dropped Wifi, weather apps not working, etc). So was looking at selling it outright and I like the Moto X.
Also my brother who is on my plan lives in a small town and wants to eventually switch to Straight Talk from Sprint. So ideal is a device that will work on Tmobile, Straight Talk and Sprint. That way he could switch to the device now while on Sprint, and if he wants to leave for Straight Talk he can first go to Tmobile to pay off the ETF then after a few months he could switch to Straight Talk. I think in his area Tmobile coverage is very spotty, so if it doesn't work out he can at least switch to Straight Talk, which I believe uses ATT towers so likely much better GSM coverage than Tmobile).
bobby2478 said:
Wondering if the unlocked Tmobile Moto X will work on either CDMA carrier in the US (VZW, Sprint, or any of their off-contract small spin off carriers)?
I've read that people have gotten the VZW Moto X to work on T Mobile GSM, but haven't heard definitively whether the Tmobile version will work with Sprint or Straight Talk?.
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That is because you can't.
The Verizon uses CDMA/1xRtt/EVDO for Voice and 2G/3G data, and includes GSM/HSPA radio for "global' use. Due to FCC rules around the 700mhz spectrum Verizon won and is using, their LTE devices have been SIM unlocked. So, you can take a GSM SIM, pop-it into the VZW X, set the X for Global mode, or GSM/UMTS mode, and work on a GSM Carrier (like ATT or T-Mobile) network.
While the Sprint version might include GSM radios for global roaming, its not SIM Unlocked, so you are stuck with a Sprint SIM being the only ones that work in the phone.
And finally, the GSM Moto X lack CDMA radio, so you can't get them working on a CDMA carrier.
KidJoe said:
That is because you can't.
The Verizon uses CDMA/1xRtt/EVDO for Voice and 2G/3G data, and includes GSM/HSPA radio for "global' use. Due to FCC rules around the 700mhz spectrum Verizon won and is using, their LTE devices have been SIM unlocked. So, you can take a GSM SIM, pop-it into the VZW X, set the X for Global mode, or GSM/UMTS mode, and work on a GSM Carrier (like ATT or T-Mobile) network.
While the Sprint version might include GSM radios for global roaming, its not SIM Unlocked, so you are stuck with a Sprint SIM being the only ones that work in the phone.
And finally, the GSM Moto X lack CDMA radio, so you can't get them working on a CDMA carrier.
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Thanks, that helps. So the GSM Moto X (whether ATT or Tmobile) don't have CDMA radio, and thus impossible to work with Sprint or Verizon. Where Verizon has both CDMA and GSM, and should work on VZW, ATT, Tmobile and Straight Talk. Meaning any Sprint Moto X is 100% locked to their network in the USA, and it isn't possible to unlock the SIM to use it on a GSM carrer?
If so, that further makes my decision to leave Sprint at some point easier given there are options for sufficient GSM coverage between Tmobile and Straight Talk. What radios does the Tmobile Moto X have that the VZW X does not?
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Thanks, that helps. So the GSM Moto X (whether ATT or Tmobile) don't have CDMA radio, and thus impossible to work with Sprint or Verizon. Where Verizon has both CDMA and GSM, and should work on VZW, ATT, Tmobile and Straight Talk. Meaning any Sprint Moto X is 100% locked to their network in the USA, and it isn't possible to unlock the SIM to use it on a GSM carrer?
If so, that further makes my decision to leave Sprint at some point easier given there are options for sufficient GSM coverage between Tmobile and Straight Talk. What radios does the Tmobile Moto X have that the VZW X does not?
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The reason why I asked about the family plan thing is because I did this to get out of etf with Verizon and keep my number.
-Port out of VZW to Google Voice
-Within 24 hours, changed phone number on VZW
-Ported out from Google Voice to ATT
-Swapped my line with a tablet on VZW, thus paying 10 a month for 20 remaining months rather than $310+tax cancelation fee.
-Simply try now to give someone else a AOL on my VZW now if they choose
This may work for Sprint as well, but I'm unfamiliar with them
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The other thing I may need to consider is the Nexus 5, as the unlocked version from Google Play can be activated and used on Sprint, ATT and Tmobile networks as it has all radios in it. You can also take it with you to any of those 3 carriers, the only one it won't work on is Verizon.
Main thing I liked about the Moto X was the customization of colors, as well as the Touchless control and Active Notifications. Although I'm reading now that there are apps in Play that bring both of those to the Nexus 5 also. So I need to do some more research. If the Nexus 5 can have all the features of the Moto X, minus the customization, then I'll likely be willing to sacrifice customization for the sake of interoperability between carriers. Plus, the X doesn't have wireless charging while the Nexus 5 does.
Is it possible to have the Sprint Moto X unlocked for use on T-mobile? I can't seem to find any sites offering such a service.
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Thanks, that helps. So the GSM Moto X (whether ATT or Tmobile) don't have CDMA radio, and thus impossible to work with Sprint or Verizon. Where Verizon has both CDMA and GSM, and should work on VZW, ATT, Tmobile and Straight Talk. Meaning any Sprint Moto X is 100% locked to their network in the USA, and it isn't possible to unlock the SIM to use it on a GSM carrer?
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Pretty much, so long as Straight Talk uses ATT or T-Mobile towers.
To make things clearer, let me quote something I posted in another thread..see -> THIS POST
KidJoe said:
....Because Verizon's 4G LTE phones are "global" they support the same GSM/GPRS/Edge bands (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) as ATT and T-Mobile for voice and data so they can be used globally on GSM carrier networks. Another little plus is that due to the FCC rules around their 700Mhz spectrum, they are SIM unlocked, so they happen to work with ATT and T-Mobile sim inserted. Since ATT uses the same bands for HSPA and HSPA+ as they do for EDGE, you can get HSPA speeds. In areas where T-Mobile's "network modernization" has refarmed their 1900Mhz edge to HSPA, you'll get HSPA speeds. In Tmobile areas that HSPA is still over AWS, you'll fall back to Edge when trying Verizon branded devices....
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Sorry, I didn't mention that ATT's HSPA also uses 2100 Mhz, but the VZW X also supports that, so you can get ATT HSPA on the VZW X.
Two other important things to keep in mind... LTE, and APNs.
The LTE bands used/supported by the wireless carriers differ. So while the VZW X supports LTE, it only supports Band 4 and 13, if the carrier you intend to use doesn't use one of those bands where you go, you wont get LTE.
When it comes to APNs, or Access Point Names, these are critical for proper data settings, MMS usage, texting, etc. Set incorrectly and your phone wont work right. In another thread, I explained how when I first got my VZW Moto X Developer Edition, and it had 4.2.2, putting my T-Mobile USA SIM in, resulted in the T-Mo APN being received automatically, and everything working. However, with 4.4 on my X, the APN isn't properly received and I have to manually enter, and MMS doesn't work. See my posts in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594302
bobby2478 said:
If so, that further makes my decision to leave Sprint at some point easier given there are options for sufficient GSM coverage between Tmobile and Straight Talk. What radios does the Tmobile Moto X have that the VZW X does not?
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In addition to the GSM bands the VZW X supports, the T-Mobile X, (as well as the GSM Developer Edition as they are the same phone), supports HSPA on AWS (1700/2100) which the VZW X doesn't have. Why is this important? When T-Mo started their HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G built out, they used AWS 1700/2100 spectrum for it. In 2013, T-Mobile started their "Network Modernization" plan underwich they are coverting (or refarming) their 1900 Mhz from usage for EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+. So as mentioned above, where T-Mobile still has their HSPA/HSPA+ on the AWS (1700/2100) bands the T-Mo X will get and fully utilize HSPA/HSPA+, and the Verizon X will fall back to Edge. However, in areas they have refarmed their 1900mhz spectrum from EDGE to HSPA (aka "network modernization"), you'll get HSPA/HSPA+ with the Verizon X.
The T-Mo X also supports LTE bands 2 and 17, in addition to Band 4 that the verizon X also supports. So as you can imagine, if T-Mobile is using Band 2 or 17 for LTE where you are, the VZW X wont be able to use it. If TMobile is using band 4 for LTE in your area, the VZW X will be fine.
When it comes to the ATT GSM vs T-Mobile GSM band differences... It comes down to... Like the VZW X, the ATT X lacks HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. And the LTE bands supported are slightly different. It was posted in another thread that the T-mobile (and thus GSM Developer Edition) X is missing two LTE bands when compared to the ATT X, however it was said that the two missing bands are not used in the USA.
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Rayz321 said:
Is it possible to have the Sprint Moto X unlocked for use on T-mobile? I can't seem to find any sites offering such a service.
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From the posts I've seen around the net. No one except Sprint can SIM Unlock the Sprint Moto X. To do so, your X must be currently active on Sprint.
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!UPDATE! 1/31/2014...
I do need to add something based experiences yesterday when I put my T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Moto X developer edition (Kit Kat rom) again.
With the T-Mobile SIM inserted, and the phone reporting LTE, trying to make a phone call fails, service is briefly lost (4GLTE/3G indicator next to the bars goes out), Forcing the phone to LTE/GSM/UMTS doesn't help. Using an app like LTE OnOFF to go into the service menu and force the phone to either LTE/GSM auto (PRL) or LTE Only does not help, and the phone reverts back to LTE/GSM/CDMA auto (PRL)
There is a bug posted in another thread about not being able to use simultaneous voice/data while LTE on T-Mobile. I do not know the details on it, but its possible this is exactly what I'm seeing. Its posted in another thread that I don't have the link to right this second. Thread link -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578665 just start reading around post 13 and 14... The work around was to force the phone to HSPA.
It was suggested to me by CellZealot to change the build.prop line of LteOnCdmaDevice to LteOnGsmDevice I have NOT tried this yet. I haven't had time, and VZW is my primary carrier, so I'd need to make the edit to test, then undo it to switch back to "normal" use. There may be other settings in there which need edited to be used in "pure GSM mode"
Also, I found that ATT also might be using LTE Band 4 in some areas, but I do not have a map showing which band LTE is used where, so while the VZW X may get ATT LTE in some areas, it wont pick it up everywhere. Also, I'm not sure how much Band 4 LTE ATT might have left due to the spectrum swap ATT did with T-Mobile as a result of the failed take over attempt. I have not had a chance to try an ATT Sim in my VZW X.
KidJoe said:
Pretty much, so long as Straight Talk uses ATT or T-Mobile towers.
To make things clearer, let me quote something I posted in another thread..see -> THIS POST
Sorry, I didn't mention that ATT's HSPA also uses 2100 Mhz, but the VZW X also supports that, so you can get ATT HSPA on the VZW X.
Two other important things to keep in mind... LTE, and APNs.
The LTE bands used/supported by the wireless carriers differ. So while the VZW X supports LTE, it only supports Band 4 and 13, if the carrier you intend to use doesn't use one of those bands where you go, you wont get LTE.
When it comes to APNs, or Access Point Names, these are critical for proper data settings, MMS usage, texting, etc. Set incorrectly and your phone wont work right. In another thread, I explained how when I first got my VZW Moto X Developer Edition, and it had 4.2.2, putting my T-Mobile USA SIM in, resulted in the T-Mo APN being received automatically, and everything working. However, with 4.4 on my X, the APN isn't properly received and I have to manually enter, and MMS doesn't work. See my posts in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594302
In addition to the GSM bands the VZW X supports, the T-Mobile X, (as well as the GSM Developer Edition as they are the same phone), supports HSPA on AWS (1700/2100) which the VZW X doesn't have. Why is this important? When T-Mo started their HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G built out, they used AWS 1700/2100 spectrum for it. In 2013, T-Mobile started their "Network Modernization" plan underwich they are coverting (or refarming) their 1900 Mhz from usage for EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+. So as mentioned above, where T-Mobile still has their HSPA/HSPA+ on the AWS (1700/2100) bands the T-Mo X will get and fully utilize HSPA/HSPA+, and the Verizon X will fall back to Edge. However, in areas they have refarmed their 1900mhz spectrum from EDGE to HSPA (aka "network modernization"), you'll get HSPA/HSPA+ with the Verizon X.
The T-Mo X also supports LTE bands 2 and 17, in addition to Band 4 that the verizon X also supports. So as you can imagine, if T-Mobile is using Band 2 or 17 for LTE where you are, the VZW X wont be able to use it. If TMobile is using band 4 for LTE in your area, the VZW X will be fine.
When it comes to the ATT GSM vs T-Mobile GSM band differences... It comes down to... Like the VZW X, the ATT X lacks HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. And the LTE bands supported are slightly different. It was posted in another thread that the T-mobile (and thus GSM Developer Edition) X is missing two LTE bands when compared to the ATT X, however it was said that the two missing bands are not used in the USA.
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From the posts I've seen around the net. No one except Sprint can SIM Unlock the Sprint Moto X. To do so, your X must be currently active on Sprint.
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Best post I've seen so far on my latest obsession, getting the VZW Moto X Dev Ed to work on ATT LTE. By unlocking the VZW phone's bootloader, flashing the phone's modem ( and I know there will be more to it than that ) with ATT modem, is there _any_ chance other LTE bands could be made available?
Axilarry said:
Best post I've seen so far on my latest obsession, getting the VZW Moto X Dev Ed to work on ATT LTE. By unlocking the VZW phone's bootloader, flashing the phone's modem ( and I know there will be more to it than that ) with ATT modem, is there _any_ chance other LTE bands could be made available?
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I might be brave enough to try it since I'm too lazy to sell my old backup of a GNex. HOWEVER the only SIM I have access to that isn't VZ is TMo. Since TMo only has band 4 here, I already know I can get their LTE. If I flash a full TMo image and the 1700/2100 H+ service starts popping up when it reverted to EDGE on Verizon radios, we may be onto something.
I HIGHLY doubt these devices are physically identical and firmware is all that separates the SKUs, but the Nexus 4 showed us that it doesn't always have to be FCC certified to be physically capable of picking up the band in question.
Thankfully I have time to decide since I have already flashed a 4.4.2 bootloader and I can't do anything until a TMo 4.4.2 factory image surfaces.
Axilarry said:
Best post I've seen so far on my latest obsession, getting the VZW Moto X Dev Ed to work on ATT LTE. By unlocking the VZW phone's bootloader, flashing the phone's modem ( and I know there will be more to it than that ) with ATT modem, is there _any_ chance other LTE bands could be made available?
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I would NOT cross flash modems between models.
i.e. the Verizon X is an XT1060, the T-Mobile is XT0153. I would not flash a XT1053 rom onto a XT1060 or vice versa. It could result in brick.
Oh, and see the update I just added to my post that you quoted...
Vandyyy said:
I might be brave enough to try it since I'm too lazy to sell my old backup of a GNex. HOWEVER the only SIM I have access to that isn't VZ is TMo. Since TMo only has band 4 here, I already know I can get their LTE. If I flash a full TMo image and the 1700/2100 H+ service starts popping up when it reverted to EDGE on Verizon radios, we may be onto something.
I HIGHLY doubt these devices are physically identical and firmware is all that separates the SKUs, but the Nexus 4 showed us that it doesn't always have to be FCC certified to be physically capable of picking up the band in question.
Thankfully I have time to decide since I have already flashed a 4.4.2 bootloader and I can't do anything until a TMo 4.4.2 factory image surfaces.
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Shouldn't be long, soak test invites are going out
tapped out via XT1053 DE
Hi -
Currently I am using a Verizon Moto X 16gb stock phone. I am going to be going to Spain for the year and am trying to figure out if I will be able to use the phone as is in Europe, or if I will need to do anything to it. Any help would be appreciated. I've read through the forums and there are a lot of threads out there on Tmobile and ATT phones, but can't seem to find a clear answer on my Verizon Moto X.
Thanks in advance!
There are several things to consider.
The Verizon Moto X is sim unlocked, so you can insert a SIM card from another carrier and use it.
Depending on the European carrier you pick, you may only get EDGE service. It really depends on the UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ frequencies those carriers use, and are they compatible with what the Verizon X supports. (VZW X supports the following bands for UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B2/B1)
Do not expect to get LTE over seas. The Verizon Moto X supports LTE Band 13 and band 4. I do not believe these are used in Europe.
You might have to enter the APN settings for the European carrier to get working voice, data, sms, mms, etc. The carrier you pick should be able to help you with this if its needed.
NateTheOK said:
Hi -
Currently I am using a Verizon Moto X 16gb stock phone. I am going to be going to Spain for the year and am trying to figure out if I will be able to use the phone as is in Europe, or if I will need to do anything to it. Any help would be appreciated. I've read through the forums and there are a lot of threads out there on Tmobile and ATT phones, but can't seem to find a clear answer on my Verizon Moto X.
Thanks in advance!
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From what I understand, the VZW Moto X is already SIM unlocked for international use. There are reports that the most recent updates caused problems using domestic (U.S.) GSM providers, but I'm pretty sure you can use international GSM services without issue.
One way to find out....pop a SIM in and try! This may be difficult if you are still in the U.S., so perhaps someone with the VZW variant can comment here and confirm.
OR...if you don't plan to use Verizon again, you might consider selling it on Swappa and buying a GSM Unlocked version...the European model would probably be most likely to support all the frequencies you will encounter in Spain - if you can get your hands on one.
Good Luck
I'll be going to the UK for a couple of weeks and want to buy a "pay as you go" sim card when I get to heathrow to get a UK phone number and make local calls.
Can I just buy the nano sim from the provider into my verizon phone and it will work or do I have to "convert" my phone with the t-mobile software before I go to activate GSM? I don't care about LTE, data over cellular is just fine for emails and msgs. My moto x is the unlocked Verizon dev edition.
ghstudio said:
I'll be going to the UK for a couple of weeks and want to buy a "pay as you go" sim card when I get to heathrow to get a UK phone number and make local calls.
Can I just buy the nano sim from the provider into my verizon phone and it will work or do I have to "convert" my phone with the t-mobile software before I go to activate GSM? I don't care about LTE, data over cellular is just fine for emails and msgs. My moto x is the unlocked Verizon dev edition.
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It should work fine as is. VZW devices are already sim-unlocked.
Keep in mind, that the VZW version does not support the LTE frequencies used in the UK. It also doesn't support the 1800mhz UMTS band that is used by some carriers in Europe....so you MIGHT not even get HSPA+ if your carrier happens to use that band...
There is nothing you can do about either of the above 2 issues, since the radio hardware on the VZW variant doesn't support these bands. Phone calls & texts will not be an issue, since it DOES support all the GSM bands.
Good Luck
samwathegreat said:
It should work fine as is. VZW devices are already sim-unlocked.
Keep in mind, that the VZW version does not support the LTE frequencies used in the UK. It also doesn't support the 1800mhz UMTS band that is used by some carriers in Europe....so you MIGHT not even get HSPA+ if your carrier happens to use that band...
There is nothing you can do about either of the above 2 issues, since the radio hardware on the VZW variant doesn't support these bands. Phone calls & texts will not be an issue, since it DOES support all the GSM bands.
Good Luck
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According to the specs, my phone has exactly the same bands/frequencies as the AT&T phone, except for lte. I guess I have to see if anyone in the uk uses 1800 utms and avoid them, I guess. But per your post, if I put a gsm sim in the phone it will just start to work on gsm in the uk. That's great news.
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According to the specs, my phone has exactly the same bands/frequencies as the AT&T phone, except for lte. I guess I have to see if anyone in the uk uses 1800 utms and avoid them, I guess. But per your post, if I put a gsm sim in the phone it will just start to work on gsm in the uk. That's great news.
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I don't know where you saw those "specs" but they are wrong.EDIT: I now see that you said "except for LTE" - this is correct.
Everything I said previously still applies...
The attachment should clear everything up for you.
The VZW unit does support all the same UMTS frequencies as the AT&T unit, but NOT the European model.
And finally: It probably won't "just start to work" on GSM. You WILL need to go to Settings > More > Mobile Networks --- and then select "GSM/UMTS". Then it will "just start to work"
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I don't know where you saw those "specs" but they are wrong.EDIT: I now see that you said "except for LTE" - this is correct.
Everything I said previously still applies...
The attachment should clear everything up for you.
The VZW unit does support all the same UMTS frequencies as the AT&T unit, but NOT the European model.
And finally: It probably won't "just start to work" on GSM. You WILL need to go to Settings > More > Mobile Networks --- and then select "GSM/UMTS". Then it will "just start to work"
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Thanks....especially for that last step. I kind of figured there was something that I had to change on the phone
You may also have to manually input the correct APN info for the carrier you choose, but there should be directions with the Sim. It may just work, but it didn't for me in Australia. I had to manually do it.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
^ The above is correct, but ONLY applies to DATA & MMS. Talk/text will work even without an APN. Most times, the appropriate APN is added automatically from the SIM.
I am interested in getting a Moto Maxx from Mexico but want to make sure that everything works perfect on Tmobile for the US. I had issues with Droid Maxx from verizon on Tmobile and dont want same issues. Has anyone actually done this and if so, whats the result?
Yes, many running this Moto Maxx phone on T-mobile. It has LTE bands 2, 4 which are T-mobile's main LTE bands. In some markets T-mobile is also now using LTE band 12, but you probably won't miss it.
Also has GSM and HSPA bands too, of course.
If you order from Mexico, that phone is already unlocked for all networks the hardware can handle. If you order from Puerto Rico, make sure it's SIM unlocked by the seller or that he gives you the code. In Puerto Rico, sold by Claro and comes SIM locked. I have both Puerto Rico and Mexican Moto Maxx phones. The Puerto Rico eBay seller already unlocked the phone before he sent it to me.
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I am interested in getting a Moto Maxx from Mexico but want to make sure that everything works perfect on Tmobile for the US. I had issues with Droid Maxx from verizon on Tmobile and dont want same issues. Has anyone actually done this and if so, whats the result?
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Works fine for me. Supports all of the bands (except LTE 12) out of the box. The only phones that currently support band 12 are the Note 4 and the note edge AFAIK. Some have enabled band 12 (which the snapdragon supports) but have not been able to get a signal (likely because there is no antenna that can pull it in). None of the issues that people have reported with other Droid phones (drops to H+ and won't reconnect to LTE etc. Call someone or they call you and it drops to H and then connects right back to LTE after.
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Works fine for me. Supports all of the bands (except LTE 12) out of the box. The only phones that currently support band 12 are the Note 4 and the note edge AFAIK. Some have enabled band 12 (which the snapdragon supports) but have not been able to get a signal (likely because there is no antenna that can pull it in). None of the issues that people have reported with other Droid phones (drops to H+ and won't reconnect to LTE etc. Call someone or they call you and it drops to H and then connects right back to LTE after.
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My Experience Exactly as well here in MN- almost always on LTE
That T-Mobile LTE-capable phone in MN is the one from Mexico, correct? Because the Puerto Rican dealer responded to my specific question and told me the "4G" on their model only uses HSPA+ in the U.S., not LTE.
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That T-Mobile LTE-capable phone in MN is the one from Mexico, correct? Because the Puerto Rican dealer responded to my specific question and told me the "4G" on their model only uses HSPA+ in the U.S., not LTE.
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Mexican Moto maxx and Puerto Rico Moto maxx are the same and they work perfectly with LTE At&t and t-mobile on the states.
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That T-Mobile LTE-capable phone in MN is the one from Mexico, correct? Because the Puerto Rican dealer responded to my specific question and told me the "4G" on their model only uses HSPA+ in the U.S., not LTE.
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I have both Puerto Rico and Mexico Moto Maxx phones. YES, I own two. They both have LTE.
The dealer that gave you that answer is ignorant of what he is actually selling. Even the Puerto Rico Motorola website lists the specs that show the LTE bands.
http://www.motorola.com.pr/consumer...oto-Maxx/moto-maxx-pr.html#moto-maxx-specs-pr
Note this is Motorola.com.PR (for Puerto Rico).
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Yes, I'm aware of the spec's, etc. But I've yet to hear confirmation from anyone that full-blown 4G LTE is currently fully functional with their T-Mobile-connected Moto Maxx in the U.S. (specifically, MN). Remember...regardless of the phone spec's, the provider can also block it (a guy at Best Buy told me LTE was blocked in this case due to Verizon exclusivity agreements).
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Yes, I'm aware of the spec's, etc. But I've yet to hear confirmation from anyone that full-blown 4G LTE is currently fully functional with their T-Mobile-connected Moto Maxx in the U.S. (specifically, MN). Remember...regardless of the phone spec's, the provider can also block it (a guy at Best Buy told me LTE was blocked in this case due to Verizon exclusivity agreements).
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Verizon cannot block either of my Moto Maxx phones on AT&T or T-mobile. Now you are talking gibberish.
Many, many T-mobile customers have said they are using the Moto Maxx on T-mobile LTE. For some reason you don't want to believe them.
I don't know what "MN" has to do with it. T-mobile's main LTE bands are LTE band 2 and LTE band 4. If T-mobile is using LTE bands 2 and 4 in your area, the Moto Maxx will connect to them. The Moto Maxx is unlocked and now you are listening to idiots at Best Buy? I own two, they own none. They know NOTHING about the Moto Maxx, OK?
Verizon has NOTHING to do with T-mobile's or AT&T's LTE bands and NOTHING to do with the Moto Maxx working on LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 (which the Moto Maxx does). Arghhh.
I have two Moto Maxx and am using one of them on AT&T right now, LTE bands 2 and 17. Verizon has nothing to do with my phone. OK? Verizon can't block it, they can't sneeze at it, they can't even see it.
Do you want to see my AT&T LTE speed tests?
Take my word for it, those aren't HSPA speeds. Something else gives it away -- the LTE indicator in the status bar.
Do you want to see me connected to AT&T LTE band 2?
There's no difference in me being connected to LTE band 2 on AT&T and you being connected to LTE band 2 on T-mobile in your area.
You can see how many different LTE cell towers I have connected to over the past few days...
Eight AT&T LTE band 2 cell towers and five AT&T LTE band 17 cell towers. (AT&T uses LTE band 2 and 17 in the metro Atlanta area. ) Across the nation AT&T uses LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17. So, if I travel elsewhere, the app log would show more LTE bands. But I've proven my point.
T-mobile uses LTE bands 2, 4, and now 12. You stick a T-mobile sim card in the Moto Maxx and you WILL connect to T-mobile's LTE network if there's a tower within range transmitting LTE band 2 or 4.
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And LAST but most important, this Moto Maxx phone has been certified by the FCC to operate in the U.S. and U.S. territories on OTHER providers (not Verizon). Motorola even promised the FCC this phone especially had LTE bands 2 and 4, even though the FCC found more bands. But especially LTE bands 2 and 4 HAVE TO WORK IN THE USA.
The Droid Turbo has a different FCC ID number. And the Moto Maxx does not have CDMA bands enabled so it's NOT for Verizon, but yet has been certified for usage in the USA and USA territories. I don't know how much more I have to say.
This is what the FCC actually found, during testing and certification.
But the point is, the Moto Maxx (XT1225) phone is approved for use in the USA. Verizon has nothing to do with this phone, and has no control over how this phone is used on non-Verizon networks (GMS/HSPA/LTE). I have no idea why you think they would.
SAME FCC ID. So, what Motorola told the FCC has to stay in place.
I just received my moto maxx yesterday and I can tell you I have 4G on T-Mobile. I live in las vegas and have speeds of 18 mbps. Those speeds are from inside my home where my signal is notoriously crappy. Some people have mentioned that they are unable to browse Internet while on the phone but I can do that just fine. Text, mms, call and internet all work as they should with zero complaints.
creamycaesar1 said:
I just received my moto maxx yesterday and I can tell you I have 4G on T-Mobile. I live in las vegas and have speeds of 18 mbps. Those speeds are from inside my home where my signal is notoriously crappy. Some people have mentioned that they are unable to browse Internet while on the phone but I can do that just fine. Text, mms, call and internet all work as they should with zero complaints.
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Tell him you have LTE and not "4G" and he'll be happy. LTE is the only real 4G anyway, but AT&T and T-mobile engaged in so much false advertising with HSPA being called "4G" that people are confused.
But apps like LTE Discovery show how you are connected and signal strength. Also Xposed/Gravity Box gives you the option to display "LTE" when you are connected to LTE network.
Of course over 50mbps download speed with 39ms ping time IS LTE. You don't need the status bar indicator to tell you that.
Actually I just downloaded lte discovery and it says I am on lte band 4 specifically. I hope this helps.
Thanks all. I knew I was on band 4 so I knew it *SHOULD* work, but creamyceasar1 gave me the *CONFIRMATION* that I was looking for...thanks! That's exactly what I needed. But again, thanks to all.
Now I just need to figure out if I want to spend >$500 on a new phone with 4.4 and without OIS for its camera, especially since phones with 5.0 and Snapdragon 810's are due within a month (despite the supposed "issues" of the 810...and yeah, I know the Maxx will get 5.0 soon, but its upgrade "life" will be shorter).
yes
creamycaesar1 said:
I am interested in getting a Moto Maxx from Mexico but want to make sure that everything works perfect on Tmobile for the US. I had issues with Droid Maxx from verizon on Tmobile and dont want same issues. Has anyone actually done this and if so, whats the result?
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yes.
So does the moto maxx not work on Verizon in the U.S.?
Broadley1 said:
So does the moto maxx not work on Verizon in the U.S.?
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The XT1250 does, not the XT1225. There's two Moto Maxx models, one sold in the U.S. on other CDMA/LTE carriers. One sold internationally with just GSM/HSPA/LTE.
ChazzMatt said:
The XT1250 does, not the XT1225. There's two Moto Maxx models, one sold in the U.S. on other CDMA/LTE carriers. One sold internationally with just GSM/HSPA/LTE.
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Is the 1250 rootable?
Broadley1 said:
Is the 1250 rootable?
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One owner says yes.
Because it has unlockable boot loader.
ChazzMatt said:
One owner says yes.
Because it has unlockable boot loader.
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Where could I purchase one??
Broadley1 said:
So does the moto maxx not work on Verizon in the U.S.?
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ChazzMatt said:
The XT1250 does, not the XT1225. There's two Moto Maxx models, one sold in the U.S. on other CDMA/LTE carriers. One sold internationally with just GSM/HSPA/LTE.
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Broadley1 said:
Is the 1250 rootable?
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ChazzMatt said:
One owner says yes.
Because it has unlockable boot loader.
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Broadley1 said:
Where could I purchase one?
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I listed several regional CDMA/LTE carriers in this thread who sell the XT1250 "Moto Maxx", which is identical to the XT1254 (Verizon Droid Turbo) except for carrier-specific software. Even has the exact same FCC ID. There may be others. I stopped at half a dozen.
See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58788122&postcount=177
and more carriers here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58865000&postcount=197
NOTE: Even though one carrier has a 64GB version listed, an XDA member contacted them and apparently all they are selling is the 32GB version. Again, the carriers in the two posts above are not complete. I used my knowledge of the cellphone industry to go through smaller CDMA/LTE carriers (actual facilities-based carriers, not MVNOs), went to their websites and looked at the devices they sold. I knew the XT1250 Moto Maxx (non-Verizon "Quark" for U.S. carriers) existed, and once I found a Wisconsin-based carrier, I knew there would be more. When I got to 5 or 6, I stopped.
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zoaguy said:
I ran through the unlocking process and it appears the XT1250 is unlockable. I did not pull the trigger yet to get the code from Motorola, since accepting the agreement immediately binds me to the agreement, however, it does give me the "Request unlock code" button after entering my unlock data, so it appears to be legit.
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zoaguy said:
FWIW, I can tell you I did try a Verizon SIM in this phone (XT1250) with very minimal testing and it did appear to function just fine.
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Even more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58976758&postcount=36
http://forum.xda-developers.com/dro...xed-topics-t3032371/post58973737#post58973737
Both Moto Maxx models (XT1250, XT1225) and the "Droid Turbo" XT1254 (Verizon's name for it) are all Motorola "Quark" phones with identical hardware. The XT1250 and XT1254 are both U.S.-sold CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE model -- with the same FCC ID.
The XT1225 has no CDMA and slightly different LTE bands (with some overlap). It has a different FCC ID.
XT1225 and XT1254:
XT1250: