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Hi folks,
Just got my TF701T from Amazon on the $279 deal. I've connected it to my wifi but have not even set up a google account for it yet. It's doing an initial charge.
Is there any compelling reason not to let the update happen? The main short term use for the tablet will be that my 7 year old son will play games on it. Eventually, I'd still like to unlock it and maybe to a custom OS, but for now it's plain Jane use.
The only special thing I might want to do is get Helium/Carbon going so I can backup / restore game positions for him... I've got his status on several games saved from another tablet that had root and I backed them up. Would like to restore if possible. Does this require root?
Thanks. Looking forward to advice.
Marc
Hi, before giving my opinion, I would suggest you to look through the forum while you are here. That said, I have some opinions against updating to 4.4.2. The main reason is that there are some battery issues on that boot loader for some unknown reason. Also, there is no root exploit available for the 4.4.2 version without having to unlock the boot loader. I was told that 4.3 was the best to stay on right now if you can.I just recently got my tablet too from that same deal. On 4.3 there is a easy root exploit called towelroot available, so you can root without unlocking.
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I also believe that carbon needs root for using it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!!
royredman said:
Hi, before giving my opinion, I would suggest you to look through the forum while you are here. That said, I have some opinions against updating to 4.4.2. The main reason is that there are some battery issues on that boot loader for some unknown reason. Also, there is no root exploit available for the 4.4.2 version without having to unlock the boot loader. I was told that 4.3 was the best to stay on right now if you can.I just recently got my tablet too from that same deal. On 4.3 there is a easy root exploit called towelroot available, so you can root without unlocking.
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I also believe that carbon needs root for using it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!!
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Thanks. I've used Carbon and believed it requires root, too. I'm a bit surprised that Towelroot wouldn't work on 4.4.2, as it was originally designed for 4.4.2 on Samsung and similar related kernel units. I've used it on my Samsung S4, and it required being on a pretty up to date 4.4.2 build. Wouldn't work on 4.3. But it may be different on the Asus.
I saw a mention off battery drain on 4.4.2 but without details. I'll continue looking. For now I've charged then powered off the tablet. No time to set it up tonight anyway. Seems like a very nice unit though.
Thanks for your reply!
Marc
Frankenscript said:
Thanks. I've used Carbon and believed it requires root, too. I'm a bit surprised that Towelroot wouldn't work on 4.4.2, as it was originally designed for 4.4.2 on Samsung and similar related kernel units. I've used it on my Samsung S4, and it required being on a pretty up to date 4.4.2 build. Wouldn't work on 4.3. But it may be different on the Asus.
I saw a mention off battery drain on 4.4.2 but without details. I'll continue looking. For now I've charged then powered off the tablet. No time to set it up tonight anyway. Seems like a very nice unit though.
Thanks for your reply!
Marc
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Yeah, from what I understand, towelroot worked on the galaxy s4 (my current awesome phone) because the exploit wasn't patched at that time for the phone, but sadly Asus patched it as for the 4.4.2 drain, Netflix seems to be one of the couple of apps that is really draining power. Not really sure about it, but I'm probably not going to update until the next update is released.
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Yeah, from what I understand, towelroot worked on the galaxy s4 (my current awesome phone) because the exploit wasn't patched at that time for the phone, but sadly Asus patched it as for the 4.4.2 drain, Netflix seems to be one of the couple of apps that is really draining power. Not really sure about it, but I'm probably not going to update until the next update is released.
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Thanks. I read up a bit and indeed see how they patched the exploit before the 4.4.2 build, so sadly no Towelroot in Kitkat for us, without unlocking the bootloader and voiding warranty.
Since I will be using the tablet just for kid use, 4.3 will be just fine for now. Which of the (US) firmwares is the best to flash? I'm having some trouble relating the build numbers listed to the "4.2.2 / 4.3 / 4.4.2 etc" nomenclature. I've been reviewing the Device Essential Material thread but I'm still learning the ropes on the Asus.
So as I understand it, I get the right one downloaded, unzip it (one level), put it in sdcard root directory, reboot, and it auto-applies. Is that correct? Then Towelroot,, presumably SuperSU, then I can freeze the update processes with TiBU or somesuch. IS there a good description of what to freeze to prevent further update notices?
Anything else I should know? I'm still catching up.
Marc
PS. Based on THIS POST it sounds like I want 10.26.1.18 . Do you agree?
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Thanks. I read up a bit and indeed see how they patched the exploit before the 4.4.2 build, so sadly no Towelroot in Kitkat for us, without unlocking the bootloader and voiding warranty.
Since I will be using the tablet just for kid use, 4.3 will be just fine for now. Which of the (US) firmwares is the best to flash? I'm having some trouble relating the build numbers listed to the "4.2.2 / 4.3 / 4.4.2 etc" nomenclature. I've been reviewing the Device Essential Material thread but I'm still learning the ropes on the Asus.
So as I understand it, I get the right one downloaded, unzip it (one level), put it in sdcard root directory, reboot, and it auto-applies. Is that correct? Then Towelroot,, presumably SuperSU, then I can freeze the update processes with TiBU or somesuch. IS there a good description of what to freeze to prevent further update notices?
Anything else I should know? I'm still catching up.
Marc
PS. Based on THIS POST it sounds like I want 10.26.1.18 . Do you agree?
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You can use any on. I just used the one that was on my tablets before (which was US). 10.26.1.18 is the 4.3 file to grab. Yup, unzip once and put it on the sd root file. For me, when I rebooted it, it let me know that there was a downloaded update detected (NOT the normal "click this button to download the system update")(be really careful about that one). Once I tapped the detected update file, it showed me it was the 10.26.1.18 file and I told it to install it.
If you want to see what to freeze, go into the towelroot thread in the Q&A section and look for my posts on the last page or so. I was asking exactly the same thing and they answered it all for me. Good luck and let me know if it goes well!!
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Thanks. I read up a bit and indeed see how they patched the exploit before the 4.4.2 build, so sadly no Towelroot in Kitkat for us, without unlocking the bootloader and voiding warranty.
Since I will be using the tablet just for kid use, 4.3 will be just fine for now. Which of the (US) firmwares is the best to flash? I'm having some trouble relating the build numbers listed to the "4.2.2 / 4.3 / 4.4.2 etc" nomenclature. I've been reviewing the Device Essential Material thread but I'm still learning the ropes on the Asus.
So as I understand it, I get the right one downloaded, unzip it (one level), put it in sdcard root directory, reboot, and it auto-applies. Is that correct? Then Towelroot,, presumably SuperSU, then I can freeze the update processes with TiBU or somesuch. IS there a good description of what to freeze to prevent further update notices?
Anything else I should know? I'm still catching up.
Marc
PS. Based on THIS POST it sounds like I want 10.26.1.18 . Do you agree?
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You got it.
The .18 firmware is the JB 4.3. But stick to your SKU (US, WW - whatever it is now).
Once rooted freeze DMClient and CMClient and you won't be bothered with OTA updates.
Thanks! It's all done.
For anyone who reads this and needs to do the same thing, it was super easy. Just plugged the new Tab into the PC via USB, opened up to "Internal Storage", copied the UL-K00C-US-10.26.1.18-user.zip file over there, and rebooted. It auto-applied, rebooted again. Eventually I had to delete the .zip file from the internal storage, because on each reboot it would notice it and spend time figuring out if it had new updates or not.
Then Towelroot, SuperSU, and used App Quarantine-Root to freeze DMClient and CMClient. Rebooted again and no more update waiting for download messages.
I'm good to go!
royredman said:
Hi, before giving my opinion, I would suggest you to look through the forum while you are here. That said, I have some opinions against updating to 4.4.2. The main reason is that there are some battery issues on that boot loader for some unknown reason. Also, there is no root exploit available for the 4.4.2 version without having to unlock the boot loader. I was told that 4.3 was the best to stay on right now if you can.I just recently got my tablet too from that same deal. On 4.3 there is a easy root exploit called towelroot available, so you can root without unlocking.
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I also believe that carbon needs root for using it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!!
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First, i can confirm battery issues with 4.4.2. Android sometimes does not go to deepsleep (even if there are no addition apps installed, it seems a general problem). If i charge the tablet to 100% and go to bed, on the next morning i can be glad, if i have 30% battery left. Not always, but every 2.nd or 3rd night.
Second, a little question. Becauce of this "bug" i'd like to root my tablet and use a custom rom. I would like to use this method "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2604462 <- [MOD] JB 4.3+ | TF701T | Flashable Root Method v2 | Asus Stock 10.26.1.7/18
My first problem is the unlock app from asus. On the support site a text says: "1. Only suitable for Android4.2 Jelly Bean OS version" . But, according to most of the threads here, i should also work with 4.4.2??
The second question is, if the root method i just linked, works without any problems with the last asus update 4.4.2?
Using the tablet with this battery issue is horrible.
Thanks!
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First, i can confirm battery issues with 4.4.2. Android sometimes does not go to deepsleep (even if there are no addition apps installed, it seems a general problem). If i charge the tablet to 100% and go to bed, on the next morning i can be glad, if i have 30% battery left. Not always, but every 2.nd or 3rd night.
Second, a little question. Becauce of this "bug" i'd like to root my tablet and use a custom rom. I would like to use this method "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2604462 <- [MOD] JB 4.3+ | TF701T | Flashable Root Method v2 | Asus Stock 10.26.1.7/18
My first problem is the unlock app from asus. On the support site a text says: "1. Only suitable for Android4.2 Jelly Bean OS version" . But, according to most of the threads here, i should also work with 4.4.2??
The second question is, if the root method i just linked, works without any problems with the last asus update 4.4.2?
Using the tablet with this battery issue is horrible.
Thanks!
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Reg. Battery drain: Did you run Netflix on those nights you had that severe battery drain?
Reg. Unlock: The tool should work on any fimware version. Just run it. Worst case scenario: It won't work.
Reg. Root: Why would you root the stock rom if you want to replace it with a custom rom anyway?
To install a custom rom you need to:
A) unlock the bootloader
B) flash a custom recovery in fastboot
C) create a nandroid of your stock rom in recovery
D) wipe cache, Dalvik and data using your custom recovery
E) flash the custom rom (which is rooted anyway).
For general reference on flashing custom roms to the Transformer, check out my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2688891
NOTE: This is a guide for the TF700!! The general instructions on flashing, fastboot commands etc still apply. The specifics like recovery and version, bootloader and version etc DO NOT.
For TF701 specific instructions check out the OP of the CROMi-X thread in the Development section for the TF701 here on XDA.
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Reg. Battery drain: Did you run Netflix on those nights you had that severe battery drain?
Reg. Unlock: The tool should work on any fimware version. Just run it. Worst case scenario: It won't work.
Reg. Root: Why would you root the stock rom if you want to replace it with a custom rom anyway?
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Thanks. Yes i know. I like the look the stock rom has. Therefore i first wanted to test, if i can stop the battery drain, if i use apps like greenify to send a few apps to deepsleep.
I rooted yesterday and tested it. Unfortunately, even with greenify i have the same problem. Every time i use the keydock, the tablet does not go into deepsleep mode. I checked with wakeup detector if i can find out which app is bad, but there are no apps which wake up the tablet more that 5 or 6 times.... If i use the tablet without the dock i dont have this problem (or just when i use netflix and dont reboot after usage)
Now i will try a custom rom....maybe it helps.
Thanks !
I don't have the time to constantly be looking for new roms to make my phone run properly. My phone is always freezing up due to the stupid Touchwiz UI and I absolutely hate it. I am sick and tired of my phone freezing up and lagging constantly and having to do factory reset and reinstalling all my apps fresh.
So I was wondering, what can I do to fix this problem in a easier manner? I was thinking about rooting the phone, saving all my app data, unrooting, resetting the phone, rooting again, uninstall bloatware, reinstalling apps with their data, and unrooting.
Here are my concerns though. I want to be able to reset the phone using the orignal factory reset. I don't have time or care to install new roms on my phone as I want to keep my warranty and I want to be able to sell my phone in the future.
So what are my options here? What can I do and what are my steps to start doing them?
I am on AT&T Note 3 with kitkat 4.4.2 with my build number ending in NC2.
Is the Note 3 development this bad? Not one response in a couple days. Anyone have a simple answer?
I just want to know if I can factory reset if I root my device and how I could complete unroot.
joshlete said:
Is the Note 3 development this bad? Not one response in a couple days. Anyone have a simple answer?
I just want to know if I can factory reset if I root my device and how I could complete unroot.
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Simple answer is root with towelroot, and when you want to do a complete factory reset, flash stock NC2 using the guide in this thread.
I think your original question about what options you have is a little more complicated...rooting your phone technically voids your warranty, but if you're referring to the KNOX warranty flag then towelroot doesn't trip that flag. Reflashing stock NC2 with Odin will unroot your phone automatically so no worries there either. What I'm getting at is flashing roms isn't going to void your warranty any more than rooting with towelroot will, on the other hand uninstalling system apps can cause lots of problems, so you may find it easier to flash a near-stock rom that has the bloatware already removed.
But if you're set on not flashing anything, then I'd suggest using titanium backup to freeze any apps you don't want instead of uninstalling them. If you uninstall the wrong app you could end up having to do a factory reset anyway just to get your phone working again. Freezing system apps can cause problems too but it's generally easier to unfreeze an app than try and find and reinstall a system apk. And as tempting as it is don't uninstall My Magazine you'll get FC all over the place and your email won't work properly
So if I install that stock rom, would I be able to update my phone using the internal updater? I just want to be able to install Android 5.0 when/if it comes out for the Note 3. Seeing how AT&T note 3 has little to no roms to install. Very disappointing.
The Odin files in that thread are for stock NC2 and unless you flashed a rom after your second post you're still on stock...it's the exact same AT&T stock build...flashing it won't really benefit you at all unless you rooted and made changes to your system. I assume by internal updater you mean the OTA updates that get pushed out from AT&T then yes since that is the official AT&T build if you flash it you will still get those updates provided AT&T is your carrier. There may not be a lot of roms but the ones we have are great I'd encourage you to try one or two there are a couple "debloated" stock roms I think would give you what you're looking for in terms of stability but of course it's up to you if you just want to stay stock
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So if I install that stock rom, would I be able to update my phone using the internal updater? I just want to be able to install Android 5.0 when/if it comes out for the Note 3. Seeing how AT&T note 3 has little to no roms to install. Very disappointing.
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Wow... just... wow.
This POST is disappointing.
I'm on the same boat as you OP. When time comes for a new phone, my next phone will never be another Samsung phone again. I will only consider phones that are close to stock. Most likely Motorola X or Sony Z3 Compact or similar.
TouchWiz is so disappointing. It's slow and creates lags even for just checking what time it is.
Fortunately I have some time so unlike OP, I tried debloating stock rom, tried at least 5 custom roms. Most of the custom roms have either too much theme customization (really not my taste) or something else doesn't work (NFC payment or deep sleep or some other thing). And they all claim super duper fast and rock stable, but those are hyperboles. The only time I experienced one rom being faster than the other was with Galaxy S5 port rom, but that was most likely due to the fact that standby mode is disabled because we have no way to update the firmware. In other words, uses more battery but still lasts a day. Also, I never seen the battery last exceptionally longer than the stock rom, so don't trust the super long lasting battery claims.
The easiest way to get your phone run smoothly is to factory reset it, and then only install select apps that you really need and know that it won't be a resource hog reporting your every move.
Oh, and last year's Moto X (dual core) feels faster than a quad core Note3 for everyday task in my hands. I wish we had a google experience rom for n900a.
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The Odin files in that thread are for stock NC2 and unless you flashed a rom after your second post you're still on stock...it's the exact same AT&T stock build...flashing it won't really benefit you at all unless you rooted and made changes to your system. I assume by internal updater you mean the OTA updates that get pushed out from AT&T then yes since that is the official AT&T build if you flash it you will still get those updates provided AT&T is your carrier. There may not be a lot of roms but the ones we have are great I'd encourage you to try one or two there are a couple "debloated" stock roms I think would give you what you're looking for in terms of stability but of course it's up to you if you just want to stay stock
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Could you link me to some stock roms? I lost my game in rom finding and can't seem to get a good running/looking rom.
RErick said:
Wow... just... wow.
This POST is disappointing.
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Most useless post of the year goes to......
joshlete said:
Could you link me to some stock roms? I lost my game in rom finding and can't seem to get a good running/looking rom.
Most useless post of the year goes to......
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UR Droid is probably the closest to stock...Knox removed, sd card write permissions fixed, etc. are the only mods...that said carl's made a ton of flashable zips too so if you did want to start making mods yourself chances are you won't have any problems while running his rom
FireKat is one you've probably run across. That is a stock rom all of the mods/optimizations/etc mega makes are from other stock builds. There's no theming or anything like that it's more like "TouchWiz optimized"...again nothing extraneous added if you want to add tethering, call recording, etc you'll have to do it yourself. FireKat is geared towards speed and battery life but it's rock solid with no known issues. All of the rom updates you see are for performance improvements as opposed to the majority of the aosp-hybrid or heavily themed roms where updates are for bug fixes.
Both devs are really helpful and responsive definitely check out their threads though since I'm not up to date with both roms. I have flashed both of them at some point and both are significant improvements over stock...of course no one can tell you what roms you'll like or should flash but I'd be pretty surprised if you have a better experience on stock than either of these roms.
I've been running a stock rooted 4.4.2 for months and it was not laggy at all.
In the application manager settings I turned off all bloatware apps that I did not use. I froze (with titanium backup) all bloatware that could not be turned off in settings and also froze anything that says "knox" in the title. I used xposed installer to install many modules that allowed me to tweak my stock rom... including greenify to auto hibernate apps, smart booster to manage ram, boot manager, and also Wanam xposed for ui customizing...
My phone has run extremely well.
I just made the jump to 4.4.4 and got it rooted (thanks to @muniz_ri and a few others).... exact same setup again... stock rooted... turn off and freeze un-needed apps... xposed modules... and again it is running nice and smooth.
I also use nova launcher prime because it feels more responsive and does more things that I want (like a home screen that will autorotate to landscape mode).
Wow, that's a lot to have for being stock .
The only way to get rid most of your concerns is to root your phone. Then you can delete all other useless apps that you don't need and slow your phone down a bit.
But installing a new Rom is the best way to have a peace in mind I think. Dynamic KitKat is one of the best roms for our phone. I've been using it for months and there is nothing I can say how much I like it. Sometimes I experience lag, but that is to be expected because of Android's ability to do multitasks.
Just my 2 cents.
So I've recently unlocked the bootloader thanks to SunShine. I previously froze the Moto updater app in Titanium so as not to continually receive prompts to upgrade. Since I'm not unlocked, rooted and have TWRP running.. Would it be worth my time to upgrade to 4.4.4?
1. What are the benefits or drawbacks of upgrading or is it so minor I'm barely going to notice a difference?
2. I don't want to screw anything up. I want my Xposed apps and everything I have now running great.
3. If I do upgrade is it difficult to re-root (assuming I will indeed lose root) or is it as simple as reinstalling SuperSU?
4. Is "okay Google Now" any faster? I'd use it more if it wasn't so incredibly slow.
5. I assume there will be no data wipe if I upgrade, correct?
6. Is it even worth it to upgrade? Better cell service? Faster or slower os?
Side Question: Can anybody recommend good WiFi Hotspot app now that I'm unlocked and rooted?
Sent from my Moto X
You can upgrade and flash custom recovery and root on any Android version now.
Will 4.4.4 change much? No. But there's no reason not to. You may need it for future X feature updates perhaps. Not sure.
Supposedly 4.4.4 lowered Android O/S battery usage, though my wifes 4.4.2 is fine... So again, up to you.
I don't see how updating will hurt anyway. But... Once you do, there's no going back.
Also on 4.4.2 AT&T unlocked through Chinese, have been planning to update to 4.4.4 now that it's rolled out to AT&T, mostly to see if the supposed camera improvements are better, and though I don't use the video recorder, I like that they added the pause (I was surprised when I couldn't find it)
I believe I just need to uninstall xposed, unfreeze any system apps, flash stock recovery, take the update, and reinstall TWRP
So I just got my Z3C and have been happily loading my apps when I read that rooting wipes the device and I might be wasting my time. Is it still the case that you need to use the exploit to root?
I had to pretty much re-root and do the whole shibang shibang again. Not only that, but I've also been struggling to get xposed to work on 5.1.1. Didn't have any trouble getting it to work on 5.0.2. So far, it seems like most people are getting xposed to work by using an older zip, which has been annoying to track down. It's a v67 version of xposed, but it's a specific one. Also, had to flash an additional zip just to get the notification bar to align correctly, and there's some additional new bloat.
Won't lie. Was pretty happy with 5.0.2., and it's taking me quite some time to get my phone back to how customized I had it in 5.1.1
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I had to pretty much re-root and do the whole shibang shibang again. Not only that, but I've also been struggling to get xposed to work on 5.1.1. Didn't have any trouble getting it to work on 5.0.2. So far, it seems like most people are getting xposed to work by using an older zip, which has been annoying to track down. It's a v67 version of xposed, but it's a specific one. Also, had to flash an additional zip just to get the notification bar to align correctly, and there's some additional new bloat.
Won't lie. Was pretty happy with 5.0.2., and it's taking me quite some time to get my phone back to how customized I had it in 5.1.1
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This is your best bet to find out exactly what Xposed version you need for your Rom and for your phone. You will have 5.1.1 working better than ever in a couple steps. Hope it helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/official-xposed-lollipop-t3030118
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So I just got my Z3C and have been happily loading my apps when I read that rooting wipes the device and I might be wasting my time. Is it still the case that you need to use the exploit to root?
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To answer your question - you only TRULY have to wipe your device when changing from KK to LP or vice-versa; however, everything just works better when you wipe. During the rooting process, I believe you'll have to downgrade to an old KK firmware, then once you've obtained root, you'll have to install a pre-rooted 5.1.1 LP firmware. At that point, you can choose to either wipe or not.
Have n901t. Rooted it after being talked into 5.0.1 by Tmobile rep trying to improve it. No good. So went back down to KitKat and rooted that. Obviously I cannot receive ota update for 5.1.1 now. Do I just get the stock file and flash with the phone as it currently is? Or should I flash KitKat back to it's un rooted state before updating phone? Am still a novice in the taking control of your smart phone world and would rather not brick something if it can be easily avoided. Thank you.
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Have n901t. Rooted it after being talked into 5.0.1 by Tmobile rep trying to improve it. No good. So went back down to KitKat and rooted that. Obviously I cannot receive ota update for 5.1.1 now. Do I just get the stock file and flash with the phone as it currently is? Or should I flash KitKat back to it's un rooted state before updating phone? Am still a novice in the taking control of your smart phone world and would rather not brick something if it can be easily avoided. Thank you.
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You could get the official software and use odin to install it but there are a couple of things you need to be aware off. First once you upgrade to 5.1.1 you cannot downgrade back to kit kat and you will be stuck on that version, secondly in order to achieve root you might need to install a custom kernel before rooting. For that last part I would suggest you hit the forums since there a couple of posts about rooting this new version.
don't know if I am ready to start messing with kernals yet. Am patient. New root will show itself before we know it. Did the update through Odin. So far smooth sailing. Tested Simpsons tapped out since with 5.0.1 it lagged so bad it was unplayable. Still not as smooth as it was on KitKat but can still play it at least. Haven't tinkered with anything else yet.
Personally I'm waiting it out. I don't like not being able to go back, and I've had 0 luck with 5+.. So I'll wait until someone "fixes" it, if ever.