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The title says it all is there a specific date
in china mi5 pro is releasing on 6th april
And even then it will be limited release.
Thats the same day as the Huawei P9. Must be tactical.
I'm not sure if I like or think the Xiaomi tactic is of any good. Recently, I've read numerous articles about disappointing sales for their cellphones., and I can understand that. Lets take Redmi Note 3 as an example. Great phone and great value for money. They release it, and just a few weeks after they release the Pro version for more or less the same price, but now with superior CPU and expansion slot. As far as I know the Pro version wasn't communicated prior to the release of the standard version. Releasing the Mi5 in small chunks beginning at the entry version in one color doesn't add up to me. Beginning at the flagship would in my opining boost more hype around the phone and would probably convince more people to grab the flagship rather than the entry.
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/03/2...rease-xiaomi-mi-5s-production-capacity-april/
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/03/2...trength-3d-ceramic-body-extreme-scratch-test/
I guess Xiaomi Mi5 Pro will be sold out in 30 seconds
I thought Oneplus were bad for trying to get a phone but these lot are worse.
Hi guys,sorry for this lame question.I got Xiaomi mi5 64gb version.I'm thinking to sell it and buy Oneplus 3.My point is op3 worth buying if I already got Xiaomi mi5? I didn't have any problem with Xiaomi untill now.Will op3 give me better expirience?
Kambz1994 said:
Hi guys,sorry for this lame question.I got Xiaomi mi5 64gb version.I'm thinking to sell it and buy Oneplus 3.My point is op3 worth buying if I already got Xiaomi mi5? I didn't have any problem with Xiaomi untill now.Will op3 give me better expirience?
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"Better experience" is a broad and subjective term, there would never be any definitive answer for that. However, you should normally get 'yes' in OP3 forum and 'no' here (some abnormal people say 'yes' here, wonder why they keep reading mi5 forum if they don't like it).
Im deciding too but prefer the size of the Mi5 and the fact its £100 cheaper than the OP3 if you get a 32GB version.
If you already have Mi 5, I don't think it's worth buying OP3 since the hardware is mostly the same.
Things that differentiate OP3 from Mi 5:
- Oxygen OS: If you love stock Android, this is a big plus since Oxygen OS is basically stock Android with some new features. You also get ambient display and gestures while display is off.
- 5.5'' AMOLED Screen: Bigger display (bigger phone size). Better contrast. Saves battery when displaying dark colors. More saturated but you can use SRGB mode.
- Metal unibody: If you prefer metal unibodies, OP3 is a plus. Mi 5 I believe is using glass/ceramic with a metal frame.
- RAM: OP3 comes with 6GB but it's overkill. Mi 5 is perfectly fine with 3/4 GB of RAM. Heck even my gaming PC has "only" 8 GB of RAM.
- Storage: OP3 comes only with 64 GB while Mi 5 has 32/64/128 GB options. Mi 5's 64 GB option is also cheaper than OP3 64 GB.
Camera is basically the same on both phones. They have the same sensor (IMX298), OIS, 16 MP and f/2.0 lenses.
Both have 3000 mAh batteries. OP3 is Li-Ion and Mi 5 is Li-Po.
If you are an audiophile though, I've read that Mi 5 uses Qualcomm's Aqstic (DAC, amp + codec) which is the same setup as HTC 10 and will give you much better sound quality than OP3, since OP3 doesn't have that (I can't find any reference that it has Aqstic) although it's rocking the same SoC (Snapdragon 820).
ChillyChan said:
If you already have Mi 5, I don't think it's worth buying OP3 since the hardware is mostly the same.
Things that differentiate OP3 from Mi 5:
- Oxygen OS: If you love stock Android, this is a big plus since Oxygen OS is basically stock Android with some new features. You also get ambient display and gestures while display is off.
- 5.5'' AMOLED Screen: Bigger display (bigger phone size). Better contrast. Saves battery when displaying dark colors. More saturated but you can use SRGB mode.
- Metal unibody: If you prefer metal unibodies, OP3 is a plus. Mi 5 I believe is using glass/ceramic with a metal frame.
- RAM: OP3 comes with 6GB but it's overkill. Mi 5 is perfectly fine with 3/4 GB of RAM. Heck even my gaming PC has "only" 8 GB of RAM.
- Storage: OP3 comes only with 64 GB while Mi 5 has 32/64/128 GB options. Mi 5's 64 GB option is also cheaper than OP3 64 GB.
Camera is basically the same on both phones. They have the same sensor (IMX298), OIS, 16 MP and f/2.0 lenses.
Both have 3000 mAh batteries. OP3 is Li-Ion and Mi 5 is Li-Po.
If you are an audiophile though, I've read that Mi 5 uses Qualcomm's Aqstic (DAC, amp + codec) which is the same setup as HTC 10 and will give you much better sound quality than OP3, since OP3 doesn't have that (I can't find any reference that it has Aqstic) although it's rocking the same SoC (Snapdragon 820).
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Mi5 is Best Quality Phone
yes it is worth it. go for 1+3.
If you like larger displays, or oversaturated AMOLEDs, yeah sure the OnePlus 3 will improve your experience. Otherwise you could just unlock and flash your Mi 5.
The difference I reckon would be that unlocking OnePlus phones is a very easy process and do not void any warranties.
yes I think it's worth it. Go for it
I think in my opinion,MI5 have better battery life. If you want more ram,one plus three.
leledumbo said:
... some abnormal people say 'yes' here, wonder why they keep reading mi5 forum if they don't like it...
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That's what is called having a perspective from all POV.
Xiaomi is notorious in releasing bug-free kernel sources. MIUI was the best in its fifth version (my opinion) and then onward, every iterations has been a crappy ride. And without a proper source code release - the custom ROMs have tough time to work flawlessly. Xiaomi has always been non-cooperative with the Dev community. And have you ever visited Xiaomi forum? I mean... come on!! Whose fertile idea was it to force you to post a "comment" before you can download something (almost all of the time) !!!
OnePlus 3 is a Dev friendly device. Can you give instance of one more company, who releases the source code even before the official release of the device itself?? (Before someone pounds in - yes, I know it was all a part of the large publicity stunts - then again we the users are benefited at the end). I only wish OnePlus 3 came out with a QuadHD IPS-LCD. Personally, I despise Amoled panels.
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That's what is called having a perspective from all POV.
And have you ever visited Xiaomi forum? I mean... come on!! Whose fertile idea was it to force you to post a "comment" before you can download something (almost all of the time) !!!
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I'm a diamond member there. That "feature" is poster intention, normal ROM and important tools downloads don't need it. Posters hide download links in their post to gain reputation, to become higher level members as well. It's a system that makes MIUI forum looks active, despite most comments are only "thanks" or "great".
The MI 5 is better than the OP3 only in one aspect : its smaller size. Otherwise, the OP3 is better about :
- sturdiness (remember the iPhone 6 bendgate ? the MI 5 is much worse)
- android development (just compare their xda forums)
- LTE frequencies
Since you are from Croatia, MI 5 does not support LTE band 20 (800MHz), I think that would be the deal breaker.
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... Posters hide download links in their post to gain reputation, to become higher level members as well. It's a system that makes MIUI forum looks active...
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You see - that was my point precisely! Why would you even 'allow' to encourage the poster(s) to demonstrate a 'reputation-gaining-mechanism' ?!?
And no, that never makes any forum active - all it makes is to create a lot of 'off-the-track' distracting post(s) in the middle of the main discussion thread.
And I am a diamond member too there (with the same name and icon).
Returning back to the main question - OP3 is an unparalleled bargain in the same price segment - grab it with all your might. By the way, I am also keeping an eye on the newly released Mi5S Plus which comes with quite attractive attributes. I doubt what will its price be?
mi5 is lighter, fits well to normal user pockets
oneplus3 is well developed contract to mi5, because xiaomi did not release the kernel source completely.
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oneplus3 is well developed contract to mi5, because xiaomi did not release the kernel source completely.
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Wrong. They did. It's even posted here on xda...
i have oneplus3 but i ordered mi5 because its smaller, and have same camera sensor..
Vihru said:
i have oneplus3 but i ordered mi5 because its smaller, and have same camera sensor..
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Why didn't you get the 5s? Has better camera
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Why didn't you get the 5s? Has better camera
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its not that small as mi5..
Guys should i buy mi5 or spend £100 more and get oneplus 3? how much different is the android developing between the two? What I mean is, if oneplus has a score of 10/10 for android developing then what will the mi5 get?
Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?
I would say no. Poco F1 has no NFC and no Android One.
Their service sucks.
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?
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Not only is not an Android One device, but comes with MIUI on top of Android.
Xiaomi had trouble to update to Android 8.1 their Android One phones also, so its mainly software and security updates vs power.
Same story with OnePlus.
More about it here - https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-review-1808p6.php
Why would you go from 7 plus to poco f1?
Sure, poco have much better cpu and gpu, but still its not enough not to even consider to upgrade especially when you will not see that much difference.
I would consider poco only if you want to play with the custom roms.
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Poco f1 is good for secondary phone, Its cheap.
Thank you, everyone. I eventually cancelled my order after giving it a lot of thought. You guys are right. First, their service centres suck (I know from my personal experience. Though I am not sure about HMD service centres as well). Second, I am not a gamer. I only have one game installed (Football Strike by MiniClip) but I hardly play that one as well. Third, the build and display quality of N7+ is just mind-blowing. Fourth, fast OTA updates. As being an AndroidOne device, we will get monthly security updates from Google and probably Android Pie by the end of September (and I saw the kind of improvement that Android Pie brings).
But here are few things that I don't like about Nokia 7 plus.
1. The resell value of Nokia devices are very less. I checked to see how is the resell value of Nokia 7 plus. And to my surprise, the response was pretty bad. I hardly got anyone who was interested. Even the one or two people who contacted me was not ready to pay more than INR.13,000 which is half of the price I spent on the device (INR.25,999). The worst part is, the device is not even a month old. Surprisingly, I got a very good price on my Xiaomi Mi A1 which I used for 10 months. My inbox was overflooded with buyer's messages. Even the shopkeeper from where I bought my Nokia 7 plus admitted that Nokia devices don't have resell value. If my device value comes down to half within just 1 month, I don't know how much will I get after a year or so.
2. Lack of custom ROMs/Kernels. I don't know why Nokia is still not allowing us to unlock the bootloader. Even though I had to pay for unlocking the bootloader, I still can't do anything with it except for rooting.
3. Lack of back cover and screen guard. I know there are a lot of screen guards and back covers available for Nokia 7 plus, but none of them are of good quality. I really want Spigen to make a back cover for N7+
4. With all due respect to the legacy of Nokia, I still feel Nokia devices are a bit overpriced (especially Nokia 7 plus). I understand the build quality is of top class. But still, I would say they are charging us quite a high price compared to what they are offering. They need to understand, even though the Nokia legacy is still alive, but people now want more VFM products. HMD Global needs to first concentrate on what are offering against the price they are charging. If the ratio is not proportional, people will eventually turn their head away from Nokia because now they have a lot of choices. It's not like 2000 where people used to purchase Nokia devices regardless of what amount they used to charge.
I would recommend to spend a little bit more and get the OnePlus 6. It checked all the boxes according to your needs.
although not have AndroidOne, BUT:
- support ProjectTrebble
- support officialy UNLOCKING bootloader
- officialy statement that unlocking NOT Void warranty
- officialy saying "try custom ROM, try GSI(GenericSystemImage)"
- with already released kernel sources
i too think about switch from N7+ right due to above... although N7+ isnicer and better manufactory, but HMD boycott community
The Poco has DRM issues so you can't watch netflix etc on HD. The so called stereo speakers are bad. You will have issues with call quality due to bad earpiece speaker. You could spend a bit more and get the Oneplus 6 for good hardware and that Oxygen OS <3.
All in all it's your decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31I09febJsg
The cons for this phone start at 11:00.
just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time
I switched from Poco F1 to Nokia 7 Plus, Why?
-Multitouch issue - Poco F1 has a severe multitouch issue that the company is not telling if is a hardware problem or a software bug and the problem seems to be in most of Indian variants.
-Software Updates: Xiaomi is a well known name for not providing good updates and on time and if your phone runs on MIUI then it's total ****.
-Customer support: most laughable aspect of Xiaomi.
Reviewers are probably paid.
I won't buy cheap phones ever, after what Xiaomi did to me, wait for OnePlus instead and always buy phones after few months.
Buy a reliable and expensive product but cheap things like Poco.
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just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time
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Is problem with waiting, if many good developers ignoring/selling Nokia 7 Plus, because not possibly (officialy) unlock bootloader... this is really STUPID step from HMD that stop/slow growing of developers and powerusers community...
Is here two petition about unlocking bootloader:
https://www.change.org/p/hmd-global...to-unlock-the-bootloader-of-our-nokia-handset (actually 2422 sign)
https://community.phones.nokia.com/support/discussions/topics/7000024502 (actually 170 sign/like and 388 comments (+many (~50-100) comments deleted by Moderator)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-7-plus/how-to/petition-possibility-to-unlock-t3788953 (xda thread)
and from MHD is ZERO, repeat... ZERO reaction... only 1 reaction in nokia forum thread is from Laura about "stop vulgarism"
Me lost patience and before some day buy unoficialy signature file for unlocking, but this is not global solution, many people don't want in principle pay for having root/admin account for device which buyed and/or send IMEI/SN of his phone to 3rd people... Only positive is that is really not need have Customs N7+ ROMs, because with Project Treble is here GSI (Generic System Image)...
Hello there!
Been a long time since I have taken a look on the forums, been a while away from samsung phones, but I still get attracted to the note 9
Read and heard some good and bad things about the note and coming from Oneplus (i have the 5) I was wondering if people would still buy the note with the knowledge you have now after using it for a couple of months..
Now with pie and the the new Samsung one ui i get even more tempted to make a switch back to Samsung..
Now with pie, yes in this context it is worth to buy. I have two, geez!!!
Note 9 is the best overall by far. So much functionality and features inside a premium device. I used 2 pixel 3, one normal and other XL, and despite the camera, I couldn't see nothing better than Note.
I'm a heavy camera user. Stock camera is great and now with Gcam working on it nothing beats this device.
In my opinion, Samsung software is the most complete at the moment.
Absolutely the Note 9 is worth it. Everything runs perfectly and pair it together with the Night Sight Gcam, there's almost no reason to look at other phones on the current market.
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Note 9 is the best overall by far. So much functionality and features inside a premium device. I used 2 pixel 3, one normal and other XL, and despite the camera, I couldn't see nothing better than Note.
I'm a heavy camera user. Stock camera is great and now with Gcam working on it nothing beats this device.
In my opinion, Samsung software is the most complete at the moment.
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Where can I find GCam for the Note 9?
Thanks in advance
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Where can I find GCam for the Note 9?
Thanks in advance
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In these forums under the apps, themes section.
And do you use exynos or the snapdragon version?
Best phone I've ever owned! LOVE the S Pen functionality and I have had no issues at all. Not rooted and easily get 7 hrs odd SoT, all round brilliant device. I have the exynos version.
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Hands down a great Phone! EXynos!!
I'd buy it in a heartbeat today (Exynos). But that's coming form a traditional Note user. Been on this series since my Note 1 on AT&T.
Awesome Smartphone, Samsung truly has given us tons of features with this smartphone! i still got tons more to learn! Some people are saying the Huawei Mate 20 Pro is in some ways better!
i dont know if i could agree, there Amoled display are good. But not as Good as the Samsung AMOLED.. Also battery easily 7 hours on screen time and that's without root.. Huawei Mate 20 Pro they use really aggressive battery management tweaks witch leads to bugs!
The note 9 camera rocks. We had G-Cam working but the PIE ONE UI killed that. i'm sure some dev will find a way around to get it working again..
if you are after an really powerfull smartphone then NOTE9 is the way to go! if you wont gimmicks and stuff get the Huawei Mate 20 Pro!
At this point I'd save up for the Note 10. Pie should be better optimized with the hardware since its being built ground up with pie.
Rumor(hasnt been confirmed but based on "leaks"):
Bigger screen
Bigger Battery
Three cameras
Near bezel-less design.
faster charging solution
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At this point I'd save up for the Note 10. Pie should be better optimized with the hardware since its being built ground up with pie.
Rumor(hasnt been confirmed but based on "leaks"):
Bigger screen
Bigger Battery
Three cameras
Near bezel-less design.
faster charging solution
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...and probably $1800.00 based on the S10 Reports... ugh!
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...and probably $1800.00 based on the S10 Reports... ugh!
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I saw that and I just don't believe it. Samsung know the markets had changed and sales haven't been as good. I expect around 1k with some decent trade ins to boot.
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Not saying 1k+ is not too much because it is! Flagship prices are out of control.
Funny that where the O6T is priced is what flagships used to cost.
Now? I would wait for S10 to be shown to know direction of Note10 changes. Every year when S series is presented, you have glimpse about Note series design and functions, yes? So this year will be no different, and i would count on price drop of Note9, but yes - i would buy it again i think. Someone mentioned about prices - it`s getting pretty high, year after year so note9 was very expensive at start, and Note10? I can`t imagine price tag of this one. $1999 for best option (probably 10-12 gigs of ram and 1TB of space?) - nevertheless, note9 is enough for few years, maybe note 12 will be one i will look for, or note 13?
Would I buy it again? Probably yes, if the price is right. But the exynos version is imho still way behind the snapdragon version, sadly. This was thoroughly tested by anandtech for the S9+ and later confirmed for the Note 9. It's a pain in the ass to see that Samsung includes two different SOCs in their products which, this time around, provide a different user experience. The story apparently continues with the S10 and most likely the Note 10 respectively with the exynos version being the inferior version of the two, in terms of efficiency and LTE performance.
All that aside, the Note 9 is easily the best phone I've ever owned with a great and most complete set of features. If you can live with the SOC issue, the high cost and the huge dimensions of the device, you will be fine. It's a great device. Eventhough I personally don't like the PIE update apart from the gesture navigation.
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Hello there!
Been a long time since I have taken a look on the forums, been a while away from samsung phones, but I still get attracted to the note 9
Read and heard some good and bad things about the note and coming from Oneplus (i have the 5) I was wondering if people would still buy the note with the knowledge you have now after using it for a couple of months..
Now with pie and the the new Samsung one ui i get even more tempted to make a switch back to Samsung..
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Only if you can get the snapdragon version. Not only it's superior for gaming, battery life, smoothness, multitasking, emulation and app loading/transitioning - but the one UI on the exynos note 9 is less smooth than even oreo, really disappointed on that one. Phone priced at 1000 euro with UI smoothness of midrange phone + they f up the multitasking on android 9 and made it like google's implementation... slow to use, not convenient to use, less features...
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Would I buy it again? Probably yes, if the price is right. But the exynos version is imho still way behind the snapdragon version, sadly. This was thoroughly tested by anandtech for the S9+ and later confirmed for the Note 9. It's a pain in the ass to see that Samsung includes two different SOCs in their products which, this time around, provide a different user experience. The story apparently continues with the S10 and most likely the Note 10 respectively with the exynos version being the inferior version of the two, in terms of efficiency and LTE performance.
All that aside, the Note 9 is easily the best phone I've ever owned with a great and most complete set of features. If you can live with the SOC issue, the high cost and the huge dimensions of the device, you will be fine. It's a great device. Eventhough I personally don't like the PIE update apart from the gesture navigation.
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This with both hands, snapdragon 955 will make a joke of the exynos 9820 the same way sd845 makes a joke of the exynos 9810. Also I clearly see lags in the animations in android 9, more so vs the oreo (that is actually proven to be A LOT smoother with the snapdragon SOC!!!). I am so disappointed from that SOC and the funny part is that we in Europe PAID MORE, 1000 euro is 1140 us dollars currently. SOC is like buying the most expensive computer both me and you, but I receive the best possible cpu, gpu, ssd, etc while you receive midrange cpu, gpu, ssd, motherboard and so on. There is no excuse and really important for the longevity of the phone and the experience with it... wish we had the apple's A12 in the note 9 tbh, but that's another topic (sadly I dislike a lot about apple to buy an iphone just because of the great SOC). We already see a problem with longevity (and don't me even get started on the gaming part as there is absurd difference + yes, I game on my phone), I am sure the snapdragon will be a lot smoother on the new android and UI.
@high_voltage , I agree. It's a bit of a let down that everyone despite the american users only get the second best version of the Note 9. It wouldn't be a big issue for me if Samsung in europe also provides warranty for the snapdragon variant. Sadly thats not the case and thus you are either stuck with the exynos version or you risk to get snapdragon version which might, as every phone might, develop some issues over time. In addition, Samsung makes it harder to use different phones in different regions due to their region lock.
As of now, the new snapdragon seems to be superior again but I guess we have to wait and see how it'll turn out. It wasn't always the case though, the S8 exynos version was superior to the snapdragon one based on what've read. Sadly, the One UI really fells inferior to the "old" Samsung UX, but it might get more polished over time. I still think that Samsung is able to pull it off since it has done so with the S9s when they were introduced.
So yeah, I'd buy the Note 9 again because I love the features and the SPen, eventhough I hate to be forced to spend more money on only the second best option available.
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@high_voltage , I agree. It's a bit of a let down that everyone despite the american users only get the second best version of the Note 9. It wouldn't be a big issue for me if Samsung in europe also provides warranty for the snapdragon variant. Sadly thats not the case and thus you are either stuck with the exynos version or you risk to get snapdragon version which might, as every phone might, develop some issues over time. In addition, Samsung makes it harder to use different phones in different regions due to their region lock.
As of now, the new snapdragon seems to be superior again but I guess we have to wait and see how it'll turn out. It wasn't always the case though, the S8 exynos version was superior to the snapdragon one based on what've read. Sadly, the One UI really fells inferior to the "old" Samsung UX, but it might get more polished over time. I still think that Samsung is able to pull it off since it has done so with the S9s when they were introduced.
So yeah, I'd buy the Note 9 again because I love the features and the SPen, eventhough I hate to be forced to spend more money on only the second best option available.
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Some of the things in the one UI are great and polished, but not everything and that sad, as it's literally "samsung rushed the update" type of comment shaping while they had so much time for development and beta testing...
For the exynos vs snapdragon it was like that:
s6 exynos was vastly superior to the flawed snapdragon 810 nicknamed "the oven"
s7 exynos was superior in the CPU part to the snapdragon 820 - better battery life, better CPU, less heat, better DAC (i.e. better audio via headphones), but had weaker GPU (but by not that much!). Overall better SOC!
s8 exynos was same as speed in CPU as the snapdragon 835, but less heat and longer battery life. The DAC was also better. The GPU was noticeable slower tho even in that generation. It was no clear winner, for gaming - sd variant, otherwise the exynos.
s9 exynos is where all fall apart - CPU is a lot slower in real world (and all benches except geekbench too, mind you), the GPU is roflmao slower, the DAC in the new snapdragon 845 is vastly improved and similar to the wolfson/lucky in the exynos, battery life on the snapdragon is better WHILE being faster. The only part where the exynos is still better is that in heavy loads the phone is colder and... that's all. This year the difference was absurdly big to the point that every single review before launch was snapdragon variant as samsung send ONLY those to the popular reviewers.
Sadly, and I am talking as a "tech heavy" person that is really into electronics as a hobby and professionally - the new exynos 9820 will still lag behind even by samsungs own projections. Read a lot, it will be worse in every department vs the snapdragon 855 and both will be vastly behind the apple's A12, more competing with the iphone X A11. Sad story, really... this samsung practice should be more exposed so they can stop it. Every person on that forum that had both variants infront of him said the same thing: "I came prepared for a difference into this, but didn't expect it to be that big!" then returned the exynos while keeping the snapdragon 845 one.
Without hesitation I absolutely love my Note 9(Snapdragon). It's battery is nearly on the level of my V20 with an extended battery. With the Pie beta so far the device is on a level of its own. If you have the opportunity just buy it.
Hey guys!
I hope I'm in the right place to post/ask this. But I honestly don't know any better place to go to.
At the moment I am to decide between the Mi 8 (6/64GB) for 170 € and the Mi 9 Lite (6/128 GB) for 200 €.
I already ordered, received and set up the Mi8 and the good price for the Mi 9 Lite just appeared recently.
The Mi 8 definitely has a better performance due to the SD845 (vs SD710) and has WiFi MiMO, an OIS, as well as apt-X and costs 30 € less (at least for me). Likely due to its release date there also are way more ROMs and Mods available for the Mi8 already.
Mi 9 Lite on the other hand supports LTE Band28 (which will become more and more important in Germany), has better camera sensors, a bigger battery, an infrared blaster, SD card support, a drop notch, an audio jack and, well, in-screen fingerprint (which I guess is nice but not that important) and it was released about 1 year later which could lead to longer software support.
So there's very much points arguing for the Mi 9 Lite. But:
Does the premium SoC of the Mi 8 guarantee more updates over time then the Mi 9 lite?
Is the camera of the Mi 9 Lite really better than on the Mi 8 as OIS is missing?
Is the in-screen fingerprint more imprecise than fingerprint on the back?
Could apt-X also be applied to the Mi 9 Lite? (one day I read about it being implemented in LOS by default)
Thanks in advance for your help and opinions on this question.
Kind Regards,
Seyron
Not sure about Mi 8 but Mi 9 Lite has stunning display, it's the biggest selling point IMO. (Samsung's AMOLED)
And yes maybe Mi 8 has faster chip but SD710 is WAY more power efficient, with bigger battery it will make tremendous difference. And it's not that slow either.. (about 220k in Antutu)
Cant really speak for camera because i dont use it that much but the resulsts i have been getting are more than satisfactory (even at low lighting with night mode)
k3lcior said:
Not sure about Mi 8 but Mi 9 Lite has stunning display, it's the biggest selling point IMO. (Samsung's AMOLED)
And yes maybe Mi 8 has faster chip but SD710 is WAY more power efficient, with bigger battery it will make tremendous difference. And it's not that slow either.. (about 220k in Antutu)
Cant really speak for camera because i dont use it that much but the resulsts i have been getting are more than satisfactory (even at low lighting with night mode)
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Thank you very much for your fast answer!
Referring to this post the Mi8 also comes with an Samsung AMOLED, though I can't find much other reliable information elsewhere that would support this statement. Phonearena seems to be the only specs listing website that states it, too, as being produced by Samsung. However it's my first AMOLED device and I therefore can't compare to others. I've declared to myself that my next phone definitely would be one for under 200 € and would have to come with an AMOLED screen, which now, thanks to the special offer for the Mi 9 Lite, is met by both devices.
Yeah the battery point is a powerful one. I get 1.5 days of battery lifetime at most with low usage while I got almost 3 days out of my Redmi Note 4 when I didn't use it much.
Also B-S-G - afaik the most popular developer for GCam ports - is developing the GCam specifically for the Mi8 (among other devices) which almost guarantees a most recent and working GCam version for it. But I only can tell that the image quality is way better than it was on my Redmi Note 4, which on the other side just would be very devastating if it wasn't.
It'd also be worth mentioning that due to the different vendors I'd have 2 years warranty for the Mi 8 (Amazon) but none to a maximum of one year for the Mi 9 Lite (Banggood).
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9065&idPhone2=9862
mi 9 lite:
Under screen Fingerprint sensor is neither fast, neither accurate and not convenient IMO;
I get aprox. 2 days battery life under light usage;
Camera is better than Samsung A50/A70 series, but I don think it is perfect;
It seems it is not primary phone, which gets best support (still android 9 vs mi 8 got android 10 officially);
Display is not perfect, but much better than Mi A3
Ambient light sensor (mounted under screen) does not for as good as on samsung phones;
In 1 month I got 3 random phone crashes /reboot.
I would probably go with mi 8.
what I can tell you about Mi 9 lite is : the screen is top , fingerprint on screen ( no need to turn your phone when on desk ) battery is xxl , microSD port , Irda port ( tv remote ) I use Nova rather than miui launcher and this phone is nearly perfect for what I do.
hey. i've had both. i don't know about the band 28 situation so i can't comment on that.
Let me start by saying that I think CC9/Mi9 lite is a missed opportunity for xiaomi. It was positioned a bit awkwardly for marketing. It's evidently not sold very well and if xda is any indication, community support is also fairly low.
Yet to me it is the most "all-rounded" phone from xiaomi in 2019 (nope, not 9t/9tPro, which are very popular), checking off all the marks for me: samsung oled, great cameras front (better than mi9) and back, beautiful build and design of the Mi9, SD card, headphone jack, big battery, good battery life, midrange prices, etc. To me it was nearly perfect (except perhaps a year old SoC instead of SD730), or as perfect as I expected from Xiaomi anyway.
Except the fact it doesn't have strong community support. I've got it about 3 weeks after its China release. I am still waiting for official pixel experience or any AOSP rom to have stable releases. I am stuck with MIUI variant roms which are stable but I personally crave pure android. That and the fact there isn't a really reliable working GCam support, nor do I know of one in development (please correct me if I'm wrong).
This makes a huge difference because I shoot a lot with the phone cameras. Right now with GCam, I get more technically impressive photos from a lower priced Redmi Note 7 than the oversaturated painting I get from Miui's own cameras, and that's from a technically inferior Samsung GM1 sensor.
As it stands now, it depends on your usage and preferences. I personally wouldn't mind the Mi8 myself, especially if it's cheaper, except they are no longer available in these parts of asia (sold out). I think Mi8's faults are that the 845 isn't as efficient, and the battery is smaller, resulting in less run time. Yet it IS a flagship, which means potentially better build, better parts (it has a LRA vibration motor vs cc9's cheaper rotary motor), world bands gsm (where cc9 has a more regional bands selection), and more community support. The camera is an IMX363, same as on pixel 3 and 3a, so it's no slouch: while it has lower resolution on paper, it really just skipped the need of marketing driven pixel binning by having larger pixels to begin with. (Personally I think the apparent race toward higher megapixels as a strategy for xiaomi is completely misguided if not deliberately misleading). Post processing would be what makes or breaks the results, and with mi8 you can get full GCam support. In fact with pixel experience rom and gcam, you'd probably get nearly identical pixel 3 experience for a bargain. While 4000mah battery would be nice, pixel3/3a does just fine with similarly small sized batteries and oled. So it may just come down to better optimization.
oh, the underscreen fingerprint sensor is just crappy and unreliable. There's a reason why it's not as widely adopted. It's not a miss if you have the capacitive ones instead.
I personally would love a well supported phone, so my pick today might become mi8. As much as I love the cc9/mi9lite, it coming onto the stage too late in the cycle after all bases are covered makes it a bit of an orphan when it comes to development. I don't personally use the headphone jack but I would miss the SD card slot. Screens are similar, brilliant Samsung OLED. In fact I think Mi8 was touted as one of the best displays from Xiaomi in terms of color accuracy. If you don't care as much about community support/aosp roms, and is content with MIUI and its camera app, then CC9 is really as good as they come this year. From the way the new xiaomi phone looks (redmi k30, cc9 pro, rumor of mi10), such thoughtful and balanced design is probably going to be a rarity in the up coming models.
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I agree with the reply above. Had I known that the CC9 has no Camera2 API Level 3 (only "full", which doesn't support all features making GCam development very limited), I'd probably have gone for the Mi 8. They were both at the same price when i bought the CC9, and though I enjoy having a bigger display and battery, most of the time I wonder if I'd be better off with smaller ones but Level 3 API (full support for GCam, which is important to me since I've come from a RN7 that took better pictures than the CC9), a way stronger processor and better build quality. The points that made me choose the CC9 instead were simply the teardrop notch as opposed to the huge forehead on the Mi8 and the bigger battery, as I use the phone to work on the street. Also it's a newer phone. But every now and then I question myself if I made the right decision. You'll have to weigh these points and see what is most important to you and your way of using the phone. But either one you take, you'll be making a tradeoff. Think it through patiently so you don't regret it later.
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https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9065&idPhone2=9862
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As I pointed out I already compared both phones myself using gsmarena and just summarized the main differences upon which I wasn't able to make a decision.
kesc said:
mi 9 lite:
Under screen Fingerprint sensor is neither fast, neither accurate and not convenient IMO;
I get aprox. 2 days battery life under light usage;
Camera is better than Samsung A50/A70 series, but I don think it is perfect;
It seems it is not primary phone, which gets best support (still android 9 vs mi 8 got android 10 officially);
Display is not perfect, but much better than Mi A3
Ambient light sensor (mounted under screen) does not for as good as on samsung phones;
In 1 month I got 3 random phone crashes /reboot.
I would probably go with mi 8.
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Thanks for your input! I have to say that just recently a colleague ordered and received his Mi 9 Lite and the In-Screen-Fingerprint seems to be quite fast and accurate at first glance.
Camera on the Mi 8 using GCam is amazing. Especially when compared to my old Redmi Note 4.
And as this is my first Amoled it also looks amazing, but I have no comparison.
I also face sudden SystemUI reboots on HavocOS on my Mi8 about once every two to three days.
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hey. i've had both. i don't know about the band 28 situation so i can't comment on that.
Let me start by saying that I think CC9/Mi9 lite is a missed opportunity for xiaomi. It was positioned a bit awkwardly for marketing. It's evidently not sold very well and if xda is any indication, community support is also fairly low.
Yet to me it is the most "all-rounded" phone from xiaomi in 2019 (nope, not 9t/9tPro, which are very popular), checking off all the marks for me: samsung oled, great cameras front (better than mi9) and back, beautiful build and design of the Mi9, SD card, headphone jack, big battery, good battery life, midrange prices, etc. To me it was nearly perfect (except perhaps a year old SoC instead of SD730), or as perfect as I expected from Xiaomi anyway.
Except the fact it doesn't have strong community support. I've got it about 3 weeks after its China release. I am still waiting for official pixel experience or any AOSP rom to have stable releases. I am stuck with MIUI variant roms which are stable but I personally crave pure android. That and the fact there isn't a really reliable working GCam support, nor do I know of one in development (please correct me if I'm wrong).
This makes a huge difference because I shoot a lot with the phone cameras. Right now with GCam, I get more technically impressive photos from a lower priced Redmi Note 7 than the oversaturated painting I get from Miui's own cameras, and that's from a technically inferior Samsung GM1 sensor.
As it stands now, it depends on your usage and preferences. I personally wouldn't mind the Mi8 myself, especially if it's cheaper, except they are no longer available in these parts of asia (sold out). I think Mi8's faults are that the 845 isn't as efficient, and the battery is smaller, resulting in less run time. Yet it IS a flagship, which means potentially better build, better parts (it has a LRA vibration motor vs cc9's cheaper rotary motor), world bands gsm (where cc9 has a more regional bands selection), and more community support. The camera is an IMX363, same as on pixel 3 and 3a, so it's no slouch: while it has lower resolution on paper, it really just skipped the need of marketing driven pixel binning by having larger pixels to begin with. (Personally I think the apparent race toward higher megapixels as a strategy for xiaomi is completely misguided if not deliberately misleading). Post processing would be what makes or breaks the results, and with mi8 you can get full GCam support. In fact with pixel experience rom and gcam, you'd probably get nearly identical pixel 3 experience for a bargain. While 4000mah battery would be nice, pixel3/3a does just fine with similarly small sized batteries and oled. So it may just come down to better optimization.
oh, the underscreen fingerprint sensor is just crappy and unreliable. There's a reason why it's not as widely adopted. It's not a miss if you have the capacitive ones instead.
I personally would love a well supported phone, so my pick today might become mi8. As much as I love the cc9/mi9lite, it coming onto the stage too late in the cycle after all bases are covered makes it a bit of an orphan when it comes to development. I don't personally use the headphone jack but I would miss the SD card slot. Screens are similar, brilliant Samsung OLED. In fact I think Mi8 was touted as one of the best displays from Xiaomi in terms of color accuracy. If you don't care as much about community support/aosp roms, and is content with MIUI and its camera app, then CC9 is really as good as they come this year. From the way the new xiaomi phone looks (redmi k30, cc9 pro, rumor of mi10), such thoughtful and balanced design is probably going to be a rarity in the up coming models.
Hope this helps
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Wow! Thank you so much for your efforts taking time to write such an detailed and honest opinion.
Talking about the Pixel Experience ROM I took a look into that and counting from release date of the Mi 8 it took about 6 months for a stable and official build to be released (May 2018 -> 25th Nov 2018).
Depending on the Mi 9 lite being released in Sep 2019 one could give it 2-3 months from now on compared to the time it took the Mi 8 to get some Official ROM support. As far as I can see the first unofficial custom ROMS for the Mi8 dropped in Oct 2018 which is 5 months after release whereas the first unofficial LOS build appeared just recently for the Mi 9 Lite. Therefore it only took the Mi 9 Lite 4 months to receive its first unofficial LOS build. So it looks like the support and development isn't that bad.
But yet it's still hard to tell how much (xda community) popularity the phone could get in the near future.
For me the battery life is one of the most convincing reason to buy. It was so satisfying to reach up to 3 days with my Redmi Note 4 without having to charge it once. I know this depends on usage but I always got at least 2 days if I wasn't at home gaming on the phone all the day.
Oh and yeah - you name it - the feeling of the vibration motor is so smooth and from the first moment on gives a so much more premium feeling than I experienced with the one in my Redmi Note 4. And yes the fingerprint scanner on the mi 8 is very fast and accurate.
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I agree with the reply above. Had I known that the CC9 has no Camera2 API Level 3 (only "full", which doesn't support all features making GCam development very limited), I'd probably have gone for the Mi 8. They were both at the same price when i bought the CC9, and though I enjoy having a bigger display and battery, most of the time I wonder if I'd be better off with smaller ones but Level 3 API (full support for GCam, which is important to me since I've come from a RN7 that took better pictures than the CC9), a way stronger processor and better build quality. The points that made me choose the CC9 instead were simply the teardrop notch as opposed to the huge forehead on the Mi8 and the bigger battery, as I use the phone to work on the street. Also it's a newer phone. But every now and then I question myself if I made the right decision. You'll have to weigh these points and see what is most important to you and your way of using the phone. But either one you take, you'll be making a tradeoff. Think it through patiently so you don't regret it later.
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Interesting point. But isn't this just depending on the ROM/software or is this a hardware issue?
I already somehow adapted to the forehead notch. I found it quite ugly the first to days. And it still is. The teardrop notch definitely is way more attractive. I guess it's missing the IR front camera, though (not that it would be that important/useful). And are the speaker, proximity sensor as well as light sensor positioned under the Amoled somewhere?