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I recently got an invite to google fi and I ported one of my phone numbers to there. the service seems pretty solid, being on tmobiles network and sprints network. I wanted to see if I can purchase a dual sim card adapter and then put a att sim card in there also, so on the google fi side id be on tmobile and sprint network (with 1 number), and my other cell phone number be on the att side?
ID assume myself that it should work.
A dual sim adapter would work on wcdma, hspa+, gsm and LTE. So the gsm side of tmobile and att would work through the simcard adapter, as well as the LTE part of all 3 networks. CDMA part would be programmed into the phone not the simcard. Correct me if I'm wrong?
symbiance said:
ID assume myself that it should work.
A dual sim adapter would work on wcdma, hspa+, gsm and LTE. So the gsm side of tmobile and att would work through the simcard adapter, as well as the LTE part of all 3 networks. CDMA part would be programmed into the phone not the simcard. Correct me if I'm wrong?
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CDMA hook is in the software. Pretty much they have to have the CDMA RILs in the software to enable Sprint and Verizon CDMA radios..
So theoretically a dualsim adapter should work on my nexus 6 with a gfi sim and a att sim?
How would a dual sim adapter fit?
That's the question that should be asked in my honest opinion.
^^ What he said
If there was one, it wouldnt fit into the phone, or it would stick out like a OTG device. Wouldnt be very usable or convenient - better off switching sims as needed.
I actually found a few. They are flex cables that stick out. Not really safe unless you have a case similar to the roocase glacier or something that has space between the back of the phone and the inside of the case. Secondly the software needs to support it.
Yeah these do work for the N6 but not for CDMA
Hi,
Just wanted to mention that I've used a dual-sim adapter with the Nexus 6 and they do work really well, but only for GSM carriers. I used one successfully with Cricket and T-Mobile SIMs and the phone did great switching back and forth and rarely needed a reboot to get it to work. CDMA SIMs *never* worked right, which I'll discuss at length below. Any wrap-around case works well to protect the adapter (the EVOCEL one works *really* well) but the SIM tray will stick out ever so slightly to make room for the ribbon cable that connects the two SIMs which can look a bit weird and disconcerting.
AliExpress has the adapters very cheap (like $3-$5 - order several as you'll probably break them a few times learning to install them in the N6) - I would steer clear of any of the expensive ones like MagicSIM as these have a tendency to break easily and asking $30-$40 for one is insulting IMO considering how delicate they are. Plus the MagicSIM one I had was the worst of the bunch and totally sucked.
Anyway, I tried a bunch of these adapters...MagicSIM and the AliExpress ones...and *none* of them successfully worked with a Verizon or PagePlus (CDMA/LTE) SIM. Sometimes you could get a LTE signal out of the Verizon SIM, but more often than not the SIM Toolkit crashed and it'd require a reboot after which it usually wouldn't work anyway. Oddly enough the CDMA SIMs did work decently in the adapter(s) when used with a Verizon 2013 Moto X I have...*but* the CDMA 1X and EVDO connections never worked...just LTE. I have no clue if a Project Fi SIM would work with these but I'd be extremely skeptical...but eh who knows?
Hope this all helps - it's a freaking shame that Google didn't make the Nexus 6 (and now the 6P and 5X) dual-SIM - such a waste of an amazing LTE/GSM/CDMA radio to not offer a dual-SIM model IMO. Though I'm sure they may have their reasons? Too bad...I live in an area where it'd really help to have two cheap pre-paid plans with Verizon and T-Mo and then string them together with Google Voice. No dice though. Good luck!
graydiggy said:
I actually found a few. They are flex cables that stick out. Not really safe unless you have a case similar to the roocase glacier or something that has space between the back of the phone and the inside of the case. Secondly the software needs to support it.
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Hi,
Just wanted to mention that I've used a dual-sim adapter with the Nexus 6 and they do work really well, but only for GSM carriers. I used one successfully with Cricket and T-Mobile SIMs and the phone did great switching back and forth and rarely needed a reboot to get it to work. CDMA SIMs *never* worked right, which I'll discuss at length below. Any wrap-around case works well to protect the adapter (the EVOCEL one works *really* well) but the SIM tray will stick out ever so slightly to make room for the ribbon cable that connects the two SIMs which can look a bit weird and disconcerting.
AliExpress has the adapters very cheap (like $3-$5 - order several as you'll probably break them a few times learning to install them in the N6) - I would steer clear of any of the expensive ones like MagicSIM as these have a tendency to break easily and asking $30-$40 for one is insulting IMO considering how delicate they are. Plus the MagicSIM one I had was the worst of the bunch and totally sucked.
Anyway, I tried a bunch of these adapters...MagicSIM and the AliExpress ones...and *none* of them successfully worked with a Verizon or PagePlus (CDMA/LTE) SIM. Sometimes you could get a LTE signal out of the Verizon SIM, but more often than not the SIM Toolkit crashed and it'd require a reboot after which it usually wouldn't work anyway. Oddly enough the CDMA SIMs did work decently in the adapter(s) when used with a Verizon 2013 Moto X I have...*but* the CDMA 1X and EVDO connections never worked...just LTE. I have no clue if a Project Fi SIM would work with these but I'd be extremely skeptical...but eh who knows?
Hope this all helps - it's a freaking shame that Google didn't make the Nexus 6 (and now the 6P and 5X) dual-SIM - such a waste of an amazing LTE/GSM/CDMA radio to not offer a dual-SIM model IMO. Though I'm sure they may have their reasons? Too bad...I live in an area where it'd really help to have two cheap pre-paid plans with Verizon and T-Mo and then string them together with Google Voice. No dice though. Good luck!
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Would be great if you do a Video showing how install the Adapters and your experiences
Sure - I'll try and throw something together.
Some additional info that I have found - for some really strange reason it seems that these adapters inhibit the reception of certain LTE bands. I've noticed that I can't pick up band 12 LTE with T-Mobile and band 13 LTE with Verizon when using one of these, no matter the ROM in use. But without the adapter I receive both bands perfectly. I do receive band 17 (AT&T) with the adapter which is bizarre as its also low-band just like 12 and 13. Also, bands 2 and 4 work well and I seem to remember band 5 at some point as well when I was in Michigan over the summer using AT&T towers with a Cricket SIM.
So anyway I'd say the use-case for this is if you have two GSM SIMs and don't mind hit-or-miss LTE reception...namely bands 2, 4, (5?) and 17 only though perhaps there are others.
In any case these adapters are temperamental and definitely seem to have their troubles. But they are also kind of neat and there are definitely cases where they'd be useful.
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Sure - I'll try and throw something together.
Some additional info that I have found - for some really strange reason it seems that these adapters inhibit the reception of certain LTE bands. I've noticed that I can't pick up band 12 LTE with T-Mobile and band 13 LTE with Verizon when using one of these, no matter the ROM in use. But without the adapter I receive both bands perfectly. I do receive band 17 (AT&T) with the adapter which is bizarre as its also low-band just like 12 and 13. Also, bands 2 and 4 work well and I seem to remember band 5 at some point as well when I was in Michigan over the summer using AT&T towers with a Cricket SIM.
So anyway I'd say the use-case for this is if you have two GSM SIMs and don't mind hit-or-miss LTE reception...namely bands 2, 4, (5?) and 17 only though perhaps there are others.
In any case these adapters are temperamental and definitely seem to have their troubles. But they are also kind of neat and there are definitely cases where they'd be useful.
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Hi,
Could you recommend an adapter to purchase from aliexpress? I am planning to switch over from Verizon to AT&T and now will have both my lines on AT&T's GSM network so I think I should be good (right?). Also, do the ones on AliExpress support dual active SIMs?
Thanks!
Hi! Honestly the adapters seem to mostly be the same (except for MagicSIM, which was horrible), even though they are sold by different sellers.
I know that I tried this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-...le-Standby-Flex-Cable-Ribbon/32333186041.html . Make sure you request the proper one though - they have both nano and micro-SIM sizes and you have to say which one you want.
I believe it worked fine and it's not very expensive so you can get a couple of them (I highly recommend buying a few of them as you'll probably destroy one or two of them before you get it to fit in there right). But in any case yes in my experience this scheme worked well with an AT&T SIM (mine was a Cricket SIM but should be the same thing really) and a T-Mobile SIM. Occasionally the SIM Toolkit would crash when changing SIMs and I'd have to reboot but it was pretty rare that that happened. Most of the time it was as simple as selecting the STK app and switching numbers. I should mention though that it took a few reboots initially to get things running correctly following initial installation...almost like everything had to "settle in."
WiFi calling and VOLTE also didn't seem to work with the adapter installed.
Additionally, the "LTE Engineering" app for T-Mobile's Nexus 6 build seems to crash the SIM adapter's firmware, so I think there's probably some data (maybe IMSI or some similar thing) which is getting lost in the adapter's chip? However, "LTE Discovery" and "Signal Check Pro" work just fine and don't cause any problems. Also, there's a chance that one's ROM might have an effect on it as well - it might take some experimentation to find the best combo of factors. Maybe some sort of build.prop edit might help too as I know there are some SIM/telephony items in there.
Finally, the "About Phone/SIM Status" menu in the phone's Settings seemed to always show the phone number that was in use when the phone was booted...but it didn't seem to be an issue as phone calls seemed to come in and work normally no matter what it said.
Good luck! Also I should mention that Amazon.com has these in case you're in the USA and want faster shipping - just pick one that'll fit an iPhone 5 and above and you should be fine. Let us all know how it goes!
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Some additional info that I have found - for some really strange reason it seems that these adapters inhibit the reception of certain LTE bands. I've noticed that I can't pick up band 12 LTE with T-Mobile and band 13 LTE with Verizon when using one of these, no matter the ROM in use. But without the adapter I receive both bands perfectly. I do receive band 17 (AT&T) with the adapter which is bizarre as its also low-band just like 12 and 13. Also, bands 2 and 4 work well and I seem to remember band 5 at some point as well when I was in Michigan over the summer using AT&T towers with a Cricket SIM.
So anyway I'd say the use-case for this is if you have two GSM SIMs and don't mind hit-or-miss LTE reception...namely bands 2, 4, (5?) and 17 only though perhaps there are others.
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Did you report these issues back to the AliExpress sellers (and, out of interest, do you recommend any specific sellers, and are the adapters themselves unbranded and without any model numbers?)
dabotsonline said:
Did you report these issues back to the AliExpress sellers (and, out of interest, do you recommend any specific sellers, and are the adapters themselves unbranded and without any model numbers?)
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No I didn't report the issues except to MagicSIM, who was worthless even given two messages. As far as branding, there are small variations between the adapters physically but they are not branded as far as I can tell...and I've found they all pretty much work the same.
I do seem to notice some variation in how well the various Nexus 6 ROMs handle the STK, however...some seem to be more receptive than others to the adapter.
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Hi! Finally got around to making a video DEMO:
https://youtu.be/6xSO_Vd_GM0
Hope this helps!
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Hi! Finally got around to making a video DEMO:
Hope this helps!
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Very cool! Thanks for the video.
Just an update on the band 12 issue mentioned above - using QXDM I got band 12 back. It seems that the Nexus is doing some funny business with the NV 6828 item with the adapter installed and effectively squashing band 12 by using an odd decimal value. But, one can re-enable this permanently by adding back in an appropriate decimal in item 6828 per the instructions for adding LTE bands on Qualcomm chips (XDA has several threads on how to do this with QPST and QXDM). VoLTE still doesn't work and neither does WiFi calling (I *think* the ICCID is the culprit) but with full T-Mo band 2/4/12 LTE support I'm a happy camper!
Hi Everyone,
I've been reading the reviews and specs for the MI5 Pro and am considering purchasing one. GSM/CDMA support, 128Gb Storage, etc. sounds great to me.
My plan is to have something with an unlocked BL so I can root, TWRP, and AOSP it just the way I want it.
Before I do how much of a pain will it be to getting working on Verizon's 4G/LTE networks? If I understand what I am reading correctly it supports all the frequency bands on Big Red. Any thoughts? Comments and suggestions are requested on this.
Thanks in Advance
I should also add this is not for the BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) program. I have a monthly plan and am up for a new device but don't want what they offer.
I highly doubt you'll be able to get it to work on Verizon. Even unlocking GSM bands is a pain.
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VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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I don't specifically know about verizon, but our local CDMA carriers do work with the Mi5.
Cdma carriers the us only allows approved devices.
No hope.
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VZW is CDMA. The specs say it supports all the needed bands I just don't know if they are "active" out of the box.
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You can be the guniea pig and try it out but your chances of getting it to work on Verizon are slim to none.
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The more I research this the more dim the results look. It seems that the problem with bringing it to a CDMA network is lack of 4G functionality. Definitely a deal breaker for sure......
Verizon only allows approved devices on their network (read: their branded devices). So there's pretty much no chance of your Mi5 (an unapproved, semi-compatible, and untested device as far as they are concerned) getting on the network, as your MEID needs to be in their system for you to connect to their network.
Stick with an actual GSM carrier.
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Verizon only allows approved devices on their network (read: their branded devices). So there's pretty much no chance of your Mi5 (an unapproved, semi-compatible, and untested device as far as they are concerned) getting on the network, as your MEID needs to be in their system for you to connect to their network.
Stick with an actual GSM carrier.
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I knew that was how they were in the past but I thought maybe they loosened up on it. They now have a Bring Your Own Device program. Still doesn't get past getting 4G working flawlessly on CDMA.
I need to look deeper at GSM carriers in the US. Coverage in my area is important for work.
I just saw you message and it is a bit late, but I have the Mi5 and use it on Verizon. It is only 3G on that. I can also use both my Verizon Sim card and my AT&T sim at the same time and have two carriers with two different numbers on the same phone. I had to do nothing to get it to work on Verizon other than pop in the sim card. I hope this helps.
Thanks DFSPCC, I was wondering the same thing and having it listed to work with VZN in the US on willmyphonework.net up to 3G speeds, which is fine by me. Considering the low price at the moment for the Mi5, I think is a great option.
Never to late
I'm considering on getting this phone... 5.7 inch with OK specs to work with Verizon only thing is you said 3g but that's OK its just to play and test hopefully I can root it... Don't knkw if they have any Roms for it..... Ive been HTC for over 10 yrs and they have let me down been waiting for a 5.7 or bigger... The max was nice but bad specs realy slow so.... I was going to do the s8 plus but now I see the U12 coming soon. But i don't know if Verizon will carry it... They don't carry the U11 don't know why.... What do you think? And thanks again for your time and help god bless....
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I just saw you message and it is a bit late, but I have the Mi5 and use it on Verizon. It is only 3G on that. I can also use both my Verizon Sim card and my AT&T sim at the same time and have two carriers with two different numbers on the same phone. I had to do nothing to get it to work on Verizon other than pop in the sim card. I hope this helps.
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Do NOT buy this phone in the US unless Sony gets its phones approved to work with T-Mobile & AT&T
Sadly Sony is the only phone maker that offers a NORMAL sized phone with the Compact series.
Please show me ANY other options for an Android phone with a 4.6"-4.8" screen with a good camera. THERE ARE NONE! The battery life is also beyond incredible. I easily get 1+ (up to 2) days battery life with heavy usage. Standby time (screen off) is easily 7 days (no greenify or any of that crap needed).
I have a Sony Xperia X Compact and it is the BEST ANDROID PHONE I have ever had.
Despite that I have to say that NOBODY SHOULD BUY ANY SONY PHONES.
The phone is awesome and supports pretty much any 3G and 4G band out there but Sony refuses to get these phones approved by AT&T and T-Mobile for VoLTE.
That means (for T-Mobile as an example) that the Xperia X Compact technically supports T-Mobile's super-duper Band 12 LTE which has almost better coverage than Verizon, BUT because the phone is not approved for VoLTE, Sony phones will almost immediately get disconnected from that T-Mobile tower. You may be standing next to someone with an approved phone that has 100% coverage, yet the Sony Xperia phones will show NO RECEPTION.
Sony phones should be able to at least connect to Band 12 for data but they don't. It may technically have the ability to connect to Band 12 and even use VoLTE, but the tower refusal to keep the connection. Sony then apparently also screwed up the band prioritization, because Sony phones even have issues connecting to non VoLTE networks (eg Band 4).
As a result, ALL SONY PHONES ARE PRETTY MUCH UNUSABLE on T-Mobile and AT&T AS A PHONE.
Do NOT buy any Sony phones if you want to use them on T-Mobile and AT&T, though I can tell you that they are the BEST phones otherwise - just not as a phone.
This is pathetic and there is no response from Sony.
But the press releases say these 2 phones will work with t-mobile VOLTE and WiFi Calling.
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But the press releases say these 2 phones will work with t-mobile VOLTE and WiFi Calling.
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Yea it will.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...z1-compact-support-t-mobile-wifi-calling.html
Lol yes first compact phone they certified I think. If someone figures out how to retain the volte functions and gain fingerprint sensor, I'm in.
I've had several Sony phones (Z1C, Z3, Z5C, all international single-SIM versions) and since at least the Z3, they all supported LTE on AT&T. I'm not sure anything changed since the Z5 era, so I'm hoping the XZ1C works fine on AT&T.
Can someone confirm this phone will work on at&t in the us? God I want it to do bad.
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Can someone confirm this phone will work on at&t in the us? God I want it to do bad.
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Unproven rumors that it will be voLTE certified. NO CONFIRMATION FROM SONY OR T-MOBILE.
Even so, you won't be able to use the fingerprint sensor, since the international ROM won't support it.
Do NOT buy!!!!
Cool story but I'll be buying. Can't wait!
Btw, it also not confirmed that it WON'T work. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait and see.
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It seems you have some sort of personal agenda against Sony and/or this particular phone. An idealistic preference for what network(s) should be supported.
I don't know that I care if VoLTE is possible. I want to know if I can make/receive calls, text, access data for app and internet use.
The fingerprint scanner is irrelevant for me, it's there or not.
So simply said, will this work on US networks although some features may not be compatible.
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Should be fine like every other Sony Compact I've had. Best Buy and Amazon will be selling it here shortly so one would logically assume they would be US carrier compatible in terms of calling/ data. I could give a crap about VoLTE.
From what I understand T-Mobile was sued a few years ago when someone couldn't make a 911 call in an area where there was only Band 12 LTE (since Band 12 goes through walls better than the 1900 MHz 2G and 1700 MHz 3G that T-Mo uses, apparently legally you are better off with no cell service than with only data service), because of that lawsuit T-Mobile asked phone makers to disable Band 12 on US devices that do not have VoLTE. (I can't post a source because I'm a new member but you can google this). It looks like the Band 12 blocking is done at the phone firmware level, not from T-Mobiles end, so there is a decent chance that the European firmware will not have Band 12 disabled. Though it will most likely also not support VoLTE on T-Mobile. You should still get good LTE data, you just might have to drop back to 3G or 2G for calls.
That said, this would need to be tested. It would be a shame if you had to choose between band 12 coverage without the fingerprint sensor, or a fingerprint sensor with band 12 coverage.
Either way I'm pretty psyched for this phone. I wish there was more competition in this space, but since Sony is the only game in town when it comes to non-phablet smartphones we really don't have much of a choice do we?
Phones re in and ... I am sadly correct.
Maybe if people spent more time to complain to T-Mobile, Sony, the FCC, the FTC and their Senator/congressman we would not have this issue.
Cell phone networks were supposed to let unlocked phones on ... VoLTE violates that.
Currently using my phone on tmobile just fine.
Getting LTE for data and no voice disconnects.
Could care less about volte; most people don't use their phones to talk anymore, myself included. Normal voice works fine for my needs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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That said, this would need to be tested. It would be a shame if you had to choose between band 12 coverage without the fingerprint sensor, or a fingerprint sensor with band 12 coverage.
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Sadly, some of us do.
theplasmastorm said:
Currently using my phone on tmobile just fine.
Getting LTE for data and no voice disconnects.
Could care less about volte; most people don't use their phones to talk anymore, myself included. Normal voice works fine for my needs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Dont assume too much. Since band 12 is much better than bands 2 and 4 in many ways, t-mobile is often not only adding band 12 but using it to replace bands 2 and 4 (kinda makes sense, why would you upkeep obsolete bands). I have had T-Mobile for about a year with an older unlocked phone and they recently switched to a lot of band 12 all over my area/region and now I have lots of total deadzones (including my house). I need to be able to make/receive phone calls, as I'm sure many do. But, for your point, I do still have data, sometimes, it seems to be much weaker a lot of the time compared to what it used to though, but maybe that's just me. I recall coming across a list of cities/places where t-mobile plans to switch things to band 12 and the timeline.
Edit: I am not sure this was the exact article I originally viewed, but here's a link < http://www.prepaidphonenews.com/2017/07/tmo-lte-spectrum-update.html?m=1 >.
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Currently using my phone on tmobile just fine.
Getting LTE for data and no voice disconnects.
Could care less about volte; most people don't use their phones to talk anymore, myself included. Normal voice works fine for my needs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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So to clarify, if it doesn’t have VoLTE, it just drops to LTE?
So if I flash UK firmware to get the fingerprint scanner (with AT&T) I just get LTE?
I don’t see why this is such a huge issue then, at least for me where I live I’ve never seen anyone with anything more than LTE anyway, it’ll be just business as usual. I also don’t make many phone calls so this doesn’t seem like anything that will hurt me with this phone one bit.
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So to clarify, if it doesn’t have VoLTE, it just drops to LTE?
So if I flash UK firmware to get the fingerprint scanner (with AT&T) I just get LTE?
I don’t see why this is such a huge issue then, at least for me where I live I’ve never seen anyone with anything more than LTE anyway, it’ll be just business as usual. I also don’t make many phone calls so this doesn’t seem like anything that will hurt me with this phone one bit.
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To clarify,
On AT&T, with US firmware, you can:
1] You get LTE data.
2] You can make calls over GSM or UMTS, but not over LTE. This will also drop your data rate to 3G if you are using voice and data simultaneously.
3] You get no fingerprint reader.
On AT&T, with European firmware, you can:
1] You get LTE data.
2] You can make calls over GSM or UMTS, but not over LTE. This will also drop your data rate to 3G if you are using voice and data simultaneously.
3] You get a working fingerprint reader.
The VoLTE certification and modem configurations are only for T-Mobile on US firmware and other operators on specific, non-US firmware variants.
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To clarify,
On AT&T, with US firmware, you can:
1] You get LTE data.
2] You can make calls over GSM or UMTS, but not over LTE. This will also drop your data rate to 3G if you are using voice and data simultaneously.
3] You get no fingerprint reader.
On AT&T, with European firmware, you can:
1] You get LTE data.
2] You can make calls over GSM or UMTS, but not over LTE. This will also drop your data rate to 3G if you are using voice and data simultaneously.
3] You get a working fingerprint reader.
The VoLTE certification and modem configurations are only for T-Mobile on US firmware and other operators on specific, non-US firmware variants.
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Thank you so much, it’s been hard to find a totally clear picture of this. As someone who doesn’t make a lot of phone calls (but does rely on LTE data) and never uses data during phone calls it sounds like I’ll be good to go with European firmware.
Thank you, that is a good summary for a fellow AT&T user. But one thing I am curious about. Does AT&T have VoLTE at all? Or is tmo the only one with that ability? Basically, if I bought a totally different phone specifically for AT&T would I get VoLTE?
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Thank you, that is a good summary for a fellow AT&T user. But one thing I am curious about. Does AT&T have VoLTE at all? Or is tmo the only one with that ability? Basically, if I bought a totally different phone specifically for AT&T would I get VoLTE?
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AT&T only offers VoLTE (they brand it: HD Voice) via their own branded handsets (ones bought through them) or any iPhone 6 or newer (as i recall).
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Phones re in and ... I am sadly correct.
Maybe if people spent more time to complain to T-Mobile, Sony, the FCC, the FTC and their Senator/congressman we would not have this issue.
Cell phone networks were supposed to let unlocked phones on ... VoLTE violates that.
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Have you?
So I was thinking about current carriers and of course mvno's. (Currently on at t USA)
Theoretically the unlocked version of Snapdragon 835 has a lot of different bands it can use. Works fine on at t for me.
I am curious though, would some mnvo like net10 (access to multiple carriers) be able to uniquely take advantage of all the available lte bands that it can use )ex at t and TMobile depending on which has better speed or even use both?
Or does it not work that way. Does anyone have more knowledge then I do here?
Does anyone have experience with mvno's and how they work. I always shied away from them assuming they get secondary bandwidth compared to primary at t Verizon etc users.
I don't know what you mean. All OnePlus 5's are unlocked, They only difference is international or a Chinese variant. This means none are carrier locked but they only have GSM radios so they only work on AT&T or T-Mobile with LTE data. So whatever MVNO you use, has to be a T-Mobile or AT&T MVNO. The Bands are all unlocked it's just what band the carrier uses will it take advantage of from the MVNO.
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I don't know what you mean. All OnePlus 5's are unlocked, They only difference is international or a Chinese variant. This means none are carrier locked but they only have GSM radios so they only work on AT&T or T-Mobile with LTE data. So whatever MVNO you use, has to be a T-Mobile or AT&T MVNO. The Bands are all unlocked it's just what band the carrier uses will it take advantage of from the MVNO.
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that is partly incorrect there was some videos of a few well known reviewers in the android community that tested the oneplus 5 on verizon and it works .....including data.
No not incorrect at all. I said they only work on AT&T T-Mobile with LTE data. The Verizon thing you're talking about is 3G and less. What I said, it's 100% correct
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I don't know what you mean. All OnePlus 5's are unlocked, They only difference is international or a Chinese variant. This means none are carrier locked but they only have GSM radios so they only work on AT&T or T-Mobile with LTE data. So whatever MVNO you use, has to be a T-Mobile or AT&T MVNO. The Bands are all unlocked it's just what band the carrier uses will it take advantage of from the MVNO.
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Eric214 said:
No not incorrect at all. I said they only work on AT&T T-Mobile with LTE data. The Verizon thing you're talking about is 3G and less. What I said, it's 100% correct
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On that note, there is only a single global version of the OnePlus 5. No Chinese only version.
Supporting the comments about Verizon though; it does work, but like you said, not well with data. Though the phone does support a single CDMA band. More useful for emergency calls than actually putting a SIM in it.
Raharazod said:
On that note, there is only a single global version of the OnePlus 5. No Chinese only version.
Supporting the comments about Verizon though; it does work, but like you said, not well with data. Though the phone does support a single CDMA band. More useful for emergency calls than actually putting a SIM in it.
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There is a Chinese version, It uses Hydrogen OS instead of Oxygen OS
Eric214 said:
There is a Chinese version, It uses Hydrogen OS instead of Oxygen OS
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Same hardware though. So yes, again, technically correct that there is a version with a different OS but not correct that they have different support for bands. Which is what we're talking about.
Which is probably what you meant, just wasn't very clear.
So only some MVNO's have speeds limited by the big carriers. Others are treated identically. My wife is on cricket (ATT network, $35/month), her data speeds are capped at 10 Mbps (which is fine for her). I'm on straight talk (ATT network, $45/month) and my data speeds are identical to regular ATT customers (and I've confirmed by doing speedtest.net tests with a friend's phone side by side).
T-Mobile and Sprint coverage stink near me, and Verizon really limits what phones you can get, so I've stuck with ATT MVNO's over the years (been on straight talk since 2012). For heavy data users, straight talk has an 8gb data, unlimited talk/text for $45/month. If you don't need 8gb and you don't stream video/tether, you'd be better off on cricket, which is $35/month for 3gb+unlimited talk/text. Cricket also has dope family plans (5 lines for $100).
Be warned, straight talk customer service is awful. The only time you ever really need to call them is if you want to port your number over or if you forget to pay your bill (or your auto pay card expires or something). They can do simple stuff, but it's often like talking to a brick wall. Cricket customer service is MUCH better and if you don't need the extra speed, cricket is the way to go.
I have no affiliation with either cricket or straight talk, they've never paid me a dime to say anything nice about them, I'm just a very happy customer.
Sorry for the wall of text. Hope this helps some of you make the leap!
Raharazod said:
On that note, there is only a single global version of the OnePlus 5. No Chinese only version.
Supporting the comments about Verizon though; it does work, but like you said, not well with data. Though the phone does support a single CDMA band. More useful for emergency calls than actually putting a SIM in it.
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Eric214 said:
No not incorrect at all. I said they only work on AT&T T-Mobile with LTE data. The Verizon thing you're talking about is 3G and less. What I said, it's 100% correct
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I have the OnePlus 5 and use it on Verizon. I have got lte to work on bands 2 and 4. It isn't ideal but it works.
Wanted to ask if anyone with a USA model rog 2 tried att Sim card and did it work with att? We already know t-mobile doesn't list those options. This way we can all go search for phones that will suit our needs.
My US model will be delivered either Saturday or Monday and I use AT&T. Will post my results then.
I just talked to support again, and they said no VoLTE or VoWifi on Tmobile, Verizon, or AT&T, or any American carrier. They have no plans to enable it. The suggestion was that I leave them a complaint, so I did so via their form on Asus.com as well as Facebook.
The problem is AT&T is shutting down their 3G service this year so if VoLTE isn't enabled we can't make voice calls.
TawkinTrash said:
The problem is AT&T is shutting down their 3G service this year so if VoLTE isn't enabled we can't make voice calls.
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As is TMobile, from what I understand. You should be able to make calls, but it will default to EDGE, IIRC.
Cellendril said:
As is TMobile, from what I understand. You should be able to make calls, but it will default to EDGE, IIRC.
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Ok I just tried to confirm and got info they're not shutting down 3G just yet. We still have a few more years.
I guess that's good we'll still have calls but isn't good because there's no reason for VoLTE.
Thanks to ryououki for the offer, we will await your testing and we will be here if u need any help
I seriously don't understand a U.S model, yet no volte? That's just dumb. Wtf?
I can tell you right now it wont work, Its a sick phone but I'm sending it back because of this. Asus screwed up with no VoLTE, no VoWiFi, and only a 1080p screen IMO. Maybe next time they will get it right. I hope the OnePlus 7T and the 7T Pro has it... Crazy!
Just read this for T-Mobile:
Due to lack of VoLTE support you won't be able to place and receive calls including 911 calls in some buildings and some outdoor areas where 2G GSM and 3G HSPA+ signal (marketed by T-Mobile as "4G") is too weak or non-existent while LTE band 12 is available
Great info so far , just need someone to try it with att sim for confirmation.
So far we know,
Tmobile no go on volte or wifi call
Verizon works on data only no calls or txt just like rog one. Cdmaless option unclear at this moment .
Att no test yet
I have a US model on AT&T and can't get VoLTE yet.
I talked to AT&T support and they said there's no compatibility yet.
The IMEI doesn't come up in their system as a known device.
I have at&t and a USA version of the phone, I can confirm as well that the phone drops to 3g when making voice calls.
This is really really bad because at&t plans to shut down their 3g in 2021, that means no voice calls after that. Asus USA knowingly selling a $900 phone that cant make a call in 2 years is borderline fraudulent.
yok3 said:
I have at&t and a USA version of the phone, I can confirm as well that the phone drops to 3g when making voice calls.
This is really really bad because at&t plans to shut down their 3g in 2021, that means no voice calls after that. Asus USA knowingly selling a $900 phone that cant make a call in 2 years is borderline fraudulent.
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I have to agree. Its just dumb.
Someone needs to see if something like this can work.....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/Mi-9/how-to/wifi-calling-volte-mi-9-t3917887
There has to be options somewhere we can atleast get VOLTE working. Yes root will be mandatory, but i am ok with that. I might order one from amazon. Whats the return policy for phones on amazon? Anyone know?
I believe there were reports that VoLTE was working on Tencent models?
We really need to look into making a custom rom for our phones for the US carriers.
Did you try dialer codes *#*#VOWIFI#*#* and *#*#VOLTE#*#*
How ridiculous. This is how you ruin a near perfect phone.
stealthj said:
I believe there were reports that VoLTE was working on Tencent models?
We really need to look into making a custom rom for our phones for the US carriers.
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I did more research, it seems to be more on the AT&T side than on the Asus side of things. Barring a few well-know phones like the Pixel 3, most BYOD Android devices on AT&T in general don't get VoLTE, including unlocked versions of Samsung Galaxy devices that are not purchased through AT&T. It looks like AT&T does not enable VoLTE for device models with IMEIs that it does not recognize (i.e. doesn't have AT&T certified ROMs), because they are afraid of getting fined by FCC for non-E911 compliance which requires the carrier to certify E911 support on all handset/firmware when on VoLTE. My guess the Tencent models with VoLTE working are somehow whitelisted by AT&T ad-hoc or they are working on Non-U.S. carriers. So it is more of an AT&T problem than an Asus/ROM issue. (though there may be ROM hacks to ask the handset to force VoLTE even if AT&T doesn't advertise the capability during protocol handshake).
Since this is a much bigger issue than just the ROG II phone, hopefully they have a plan to white list all BYOD Android devices for VoLTE when they sunset 3G. Otherwise AT&T would stand to lose a good chunk of revenue from those who migrate over from other carriers with BYOD phones, say a Galaxy phone with a T-Mobile ROM. You simply can't even offer a BYOD plan if you don't have voice call working for most of the BYOD Android devices.
suzook said:
I have to agree. Its just dumb.
Someone needs to see if something like this can work.....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/Mi-9/how-to/wifi-calling-volte-mi-9-t3917887
There has to be options somewhere we can atleast get VOLTE working. Yes root will be mandatory, but i am ok with that. I might order one from amazon. Whats the return policy for phones on amazon? Anyone know?
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I'm pretty sure their return policy for phones is the same as all other goods. I bought and returned the original ROG phone last year through Amazon, considering doing the same with ROG II unless there's a breakthrough on providers and features with custom ROMS/etc.
Yea that's pretty dirty to whitelist the Tencent version but not the US model.