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Hey folks,
after reading the Article on xda about using Android without google, i instantly fell in Love with the idea. I decided yesterday, that i'll take the plunge and give it a try.
First off, why?
For me, there are a couple of reasons. First of, i generally think, the less a company like google knows about me, the better. So keeping the Data on my phone away from google might help with that. If this experiment goes well i might stop using Google for Calendar and Contacts.
Second reason for me is Battery. The Google Framework and Play Services are always on the Top of my list of Battery consumption. I'd like to see how leaving these away might improve Battery life.
And third, i'm curious if it's possible. The reason i'm on xda is because i'm a tinkerer. So pushing the boundaries and trying new things is what i really like about Android. You have the choice to do whatever you want with your phone.
So, how do i go about it? Well, a bit of pre work needs to be done. First of, you might need a google Account to set things up. WhatsApp or Outlook are simply only available from the official Playstore. Since i start with my daily driver, all was set up already.
I use the 5.0.1 Variant of Nameless Rom. Debloated, Nova Launcher, rooted and stock apart from that. I might go CM later on, but i always find CM draining the Battery more then Stock Roms. We'll see.
What am i going to use instead of all the nice google things?
Play Store: F-Droid
I'll give F-Droid a try. it's obtainable as an apk, so if you only need apps that are available there, you won't need google at all. The Interface and search is not as nice as the Play Store, but the selection is really good, Installation of apps is hassle free (no manually downloading apks and installing them by hand) and it does check for updates daily.
Gmail:
I already moved away from gmail to outlook.com a few months ago. Not because MS is better in keeping your data private (actually they might be as they make money through selling software, not your data) but because i wanted to spread my info. Mail on outlook, contacts on google, Calendar on Strato... The Outlook app was already installed and set up, so no work to be done here.
Contacts:
Here it's getting a bit tricky. Google doesn't want you to move your contacts away form them. So there is no way to directly sync your google Contacts to your phone. As soon as you deactivate the play services, all you contacts will be gone.
For me, i used the Web Version of Google Contacts, exported them all to vcf and imported them to my phones storage. I'm not going to set up a personal sync for now. I'm fine with my contacts on my Phone only for now. I might end up going the OwnCloud route later on, but don't find it necessary currently.
Calendar:
my Calendar is already done through outlook and start (my webhoster). I installed Etar from F-Droid (a open source variant of googles calendar app). All my Calendars were already in on first launch (imported from the phones Accounts). No hassle, everything looks as always.
Chrome:
I've never been happy with chrome anyways. Loading pages is slow, scrolling is nowhere near smooth. I currently compare Firefox and Fenec. Both from F-Droid. Firefox will be discontinued on F-Droid soon as they implemented none OS proprietary add ons. Fenec is a OS alternative to Firefox compiled from Source without Proprietary add ons. Both work well but Fenec is a bit unstable as a daily driver for most people.
Camera is Focal now. Apart from being OS it's also much more capable than samsung camera. Plus easier to use. Whats not to like here?
After setting everything up, i went into the settings and disabled most google stuff (Play Store, Play Services, Calendar, Mail, Chrome). I'm still trying to find out what other Google Services i may disable without braking android. I'll keep this updated here.
I'm not completely done yet. I still use apps that are only available through the Playstore. Maybe you know alternatives, that i should check out:
WhatsApp. I don't see an alternative here. Moving to another service is not really an option. I tried Telegram and liked it, but a nice app is nothing when nobody uses it...
Ebay and Amazon. Both have a good mobile website which should work. But a standalone App is much easier and convenient to use.
Nova Launcher. It's simply the best. I haven't found a OS alternative that has anywhere near the features.
Tapatalk. Again, one App all Forums on hand. Simply the best app for that. Any XDA compatible OS alternatives to it?
Outlook. A OS mail client which supports Outlook, Material Design and is easy to use? I've yet to come up with one...
Over all, the switch went really smooth. After getting F-Droid as a Playstore alternative i was able to do all this in 1 hour. I'll have to see how Batterylife works out. I feel it's better, but the numbers will tell after some days of use. I feel really good to have found a way around google so far. It's nice to rethink things you've been using for years. Even if you're not opting out of google completely, there might be a alternative to something you use, that you'd otherwise never consider.
Let me know what you think. You're alternatives to some proprietary apps. How do you feel about google being in all the parts of your mobile life? Is Android without google something you'd consider?
For further reading, here are the XDA Articles, that inspired me to start this journey:
Setting up Marshmallow without Google
The "Say Sayonara to Google" Series
Have a nice start into the week.
I'll keep my replacement Apps in this Post for Tracking what i've used and what my Pros and Cons are over time.
PlayStore: F-Droid
F-Droid is THE FOSS Android community. A good selection of Apps, easy install and Updates plus a community thats interested in whats happening behind the scenes of apps. Firefox for example will soon not be supported anymore because they now are using proprietary none FOSS compatible sources. For most, this attempt might not be the easy one (they never claim to want to go the easy route), but it sure is the most straight ahead if you want Open Source Apps that are tracked for what they do on your phone.
Outlook: K-9
I replaced Outlook with K-9 for now. It's not as polished or easy to use, but it works, is OS and Outlook was constantly connected without me being able to change that. I only need sync every 30 minutes and outlook doesn't have a setting for that. Lets see how K-9 works out, stability and battery wise...
Google Maps: OsmAnd
OsmAnd seems to be the alternative here. As a plus it allows offline sync of Maps. The Interface is nowhere near as intuitive as GMaps, i've found no traffic information until now and entering a address is a hassle. The Search feature and easy Adress Input has always been a strong point for GMaps. We'll see how the turn-by-turn Navigation Turns out. Also OsmAnd works with plugins, so maybe i'm missing some features here and there.
Facebook: Tinfoil
Tinfoil for Facebook seems to be the App of Choice. In the end it's the Mobile website displayed in an "App". On the Plus site, you don't need that horrifically annoying Messenger. Facebook chat just works from the App, which is great. Sadly, since its a webpage, Notifications are none existant. Since i'm debating leaving Facebook completely anyways it's not a problem for me. Less distraction during the day, which is always welcome nowadays...
Deezer: Tomahawk
When I thought about replacing my Deezer app I did not have high hopes since most streaming services use proprietary api's. I was impressed to find not only a Deezer alternative that's open source, but tomahawk does much more. It combines most streaming services plus some other online music services plus your local music.
One downside for me: you are not able to save Deezer music offline. Tomahawk itself is completely open source. If the Deezer plug in is OS as well I couldn't find out for sure...
Titanium Backup: Oandbackup
Oandbackup works much the same way Titanium does, but with some less options. If you want just a good Backup App, i prefer Oandbackup since it's much less cluttered and options are easier to find. It served me well when i last switched from TW to CM.
I didn't read your what i can only call a thesis on Ungooglying Android write-up, it's an effort that I implore and admire your courage. I too worry about the data that google has monopolised on, it's time we broke this and find alternative ways. I salute you sir in your endeavours.
I will drop by time to time to see how you're prodding along.
Regards
F
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I backp all my contacts using outlook. I still use playstore. I have also disabled as much of Samsung as I can, and im sure there is more I could disable of both. I want my phone set up the way I want it set up, not with what google and samsung say I should. Also use Nova
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I added Tomahawk as a Deezer/Spotify OS alternative In Post #2
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I've yet to find a good alternative to the play store personally.
I don't use google services on my Note 4. I use Here Maps and disabled Google Maps, I use Nine for Email, I've disabled contacts and calendar sync, I've disabled every google program like books, games, gmail (I have a google account linked to a generic outlook addy for G services), music, hangouts, G+, etc. I keep my contacts backed up on my own personal .com server via exchange along with the calendar. I also like the Samsung browser, so Chrome is disabled as well. Don't use Now, have all the google account settings set to not target me for advertising, not keep track of location, etc... All the regular privacy concerns taken care of there.
My battery life is about a !% loss every two hours in standby. I wish I could get it better. My old GSIII would lose 1% over an 8 hour time frame at night while I was asleep. The Note 4 loses about 4%.
Oddly, no matter how much I restrict my access to google services, the people section of the play store still links me to a ton of people I know. Some that I have not had contact with since High School. Very strange. The only thing I can think is people I do know have me in their contacts so it assumes I know these people correctly. The phone is obviously reading my phone number without me entering it into my google account. :shrug:
I look forward to reading how it goes for you. (I broke down and signed up for Google Music the other day out of curiosity, but I'll get some of my anonymity back when I cancel my google account and create a new one.)
Alright,
some Updates:
I switched to the official CM12 build yesterday. It seems to run fairly well. My Radio was not able to register in the Network once, but activating and deactivating flight mode fixed that. Reception seems to be better than on TW rom. Concerning Battery i see no major difference for now.
CM is Open Source. I'm not 100% sure that every preinstalled app is 100% open source. During the Weekend i'll review the code and do a build on my own, just to be sure. Also, theres a pure AOSP build coming, which i'll be testing.
This time i didn't even Install Gapps. I did not log in to cm accounts or anything. I installed F-Droid from my SD Card and went from there. One thing i'll have to keep in mind, is, that factory reset means loosing my contacts, so i'll have to do a backup the next time.
Also i switched from Titanium to Oandbackup. I works much the same way and served me well during the switch from TW to CM. For me the relevant options are much easier to find (Safe Backups to external SD...).
Since Battery endurance is one of my concerns, i do some changes to improve that:
- Since the N4 has an AMOLED Display, using Black Background and Dark Apps helps quite a bit. I'm using Dark Material Beta through CM Theme Engine. Its Black (i like solid Black, not Gray or something like that) and white and does theme quite a lot of Apps (WhatsApp as an important one).
- I deactivated AudioFX, All Live Backgrounds, Stock Browser, CM-Backgrounds, Calendar and NFC Tags
- for cLock (Lockscreen Clock) i deleted all permissions to access location and Data. It's been trying to update weather all the time, which you can't seem to disable
I'd really like a simple white Icon theme, but getting most themes for CM depends on the Play Store. There are not many good themes that are available outside of the Playstore... Any help here is appreciated :good:
bbeelzebub said:
...My battery life is about a !% loss every two hours in standby. I wish I could get it better. My old GSIII would lose 1% over an 8 hour time frame at night while I was asleep. The Note 4 loses about 4%...
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Over the last night i lost 2% over 7.5 hours. With 4G, WiFi, BT, Mail Sync (once per hour). Quite good, but i think theres a bit in it. K-9 (Mail) and Whatsapp keep the Mobile Network active. K-9 does so relatively long although i should only Sync once per hour. I'll configure some kind of "Whatsapp do not disturde" over night, this should bring down Standby draw a bit...
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Over the last night i lost 2% over 7.5 hours. With 4G, WiFi, BT, Mail Sync (once per hour). Quite good, but i think theres a bit in it. K-9 (Mail) and Whatsapp keep the Mobile Network active. K-9 does so relatively long although i should only Sync once per hour. I'll configure some kind of "Whatsapp do not disturde" over night, this should bring down Standby draw a bit...
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Yeah, I leave 4G, WiFi, BT and Mail on all the time as well. It doesn't make any difference when I turn them off that I've noticed. I use ActiveSync for my email / calendars / contacts and it really is no difference from when I used to use google for the calendar / contacts and a pop 3 account. As long as I don't use the stock email app which kills the battery on exchange or Activesync.
There are a few Samsung apps that I can't disable that I would like to. (I'm on a non rootable US model), I think I'll take the time tomorrow and see if I can use debloater to shut them down. Now that I think about it, there were less Samsung things running all the time on my old phone and I'm sure that makes a slight difference.
You can download Whats App from their site without going through Google since its attached to your phone number.
https://www.whatsapp.com/android/
...There is no way Focal is more capable than the Samsung Camera app. How do you figure this?
jetbruceli said:
You can download Whats App from their site without going through Google since its attached to your phone number.
https://www.whatsapp.com/android/
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Wouldn't use whatsapp at all considering they are owned by facebook and every message you send is being tracked. Telegram is the better option.
Toss3 said:
Wouldn't use whatsapp at all considering they are owned by facebook and every message you send is being tracked. Telegram is the better option.
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That is the dumbest reason to not use Whats App. It was bought to protect FB from losing ground. Telegram has all your messages on a server to where as Whats app is peer to peer. There is no reason to worry about big Facebook looking at your every message. Also, i would rather have FB, Google or MS looking at my stuff than some unknown company.
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freeza said:
...There is no way Focal is more capable than the Samsung Camera app. How do you figure this?
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I dont get that either, also stock camera doenst need google play services to be used.
jetbruceli said:
That is the dumbest reason to not use Whats App. It was bought to protect FB from losing ground. Telegram has all your messages on a server to where as Whats app is peer to peer. There is no reason to worry about big Facebook looking at your every message. Also, i would rather have FB, Google or MS looking at my stuff than some unknown company.
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Telegram does not save your messages on a server when you use private chats. They are also encrypted.
Oh and: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/whatsapp-ranked-worst-for-users-data-privacy-in-internet-snooping-report-10328539.html http://time.com/3928503/whatsapp-privacy-watchdog/
This shows how "secure" WhatsApp really is: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33152898
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Telegram does not save your messages on a server when you use private chats. They are also encrypted.
Oh and: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/whatsapp-ranked-worst-for-users-data-privacy-in-internet-snooping-report-10328539.html http://time.com/3928503/whatsapp-privacy-watchdog/
This shows how "secure" WhatsApp really is: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33152898
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I am sure there are security holes in everything we use but it doesnt change the fact that Whats App is better for most people. This isnt a whats app vs telegram thread and also, I am not sure if you can install telegram on its own without google or other app stores like you can with whats app
Comrades, do you have the AOD on always/ tap/ schedule? How's the battery impact for you?
I have it from 6am to 10pm with approximately a 10% of battery consumed by it
Yeah mine sits at around 6-7% battery use which feels high
The 10+ running on Pie with AOD fully on with autobrightness enabled uses between .6-1.0% per hour. Anything over 1% on this device indicates an unwanted background process(es) are running.
blackhawk said:
The 10+ running on Pie with AOD fully on with autobrightness enabled uses between .6-1.0% per hour. Anything over 1% on this device indicates an unwanted background process(es) are running.
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Sort of thing we need to change settings for or will an update iron it out ?
Quazza said:
Sort of thing we need to change settings for or will an update iron it out ?
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Power management has been an issue for me. It's completely disabled otherwise I get erratic behavior and excessive battery usage.
Google Backup, Framework caused drain with screen off. Google Play Services was constantly polling as was Android Services. Package disabled to former two and firewall blocked the latter two.
I have about 84 packages disabled and quit a few firewall blocked, some permanently, some are toogled as needs like GPlayS.
Karma Firewall is freeware and a good firewall.
Unfortunately unlike in Pie in Q and higher you lose it's valuable logging feature.
Maybe there's a ABD workaround but Q and up are crapware.
The more Android tries to be your big sister the worse it gets. It's gotten really bad...
I just have a bixby routine set up to turn on AOD all the time while charging, but I turned it off other than that. I had the ten second tap set up but always blew past it anyway.
ajk511 said:
I just have a bigsby routine set up to turn on AOD all the time while charging, but I turned it off other than that. I had the ten second tap set up but always blew past it anyway.
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Bixby? Kill that crapware...
blackhawk said:
Bixby? Kill that crapware...
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Bixby and Bixby routines are completely separate things bud.
ajk511 said:
Bixby and Bixby routines are completely separate things bud.
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Lol, how do you enable Bixby routines without using any other Bixby apks?
Best I can tell you can't... just tried.
You read the bixby eula? Bah-ha-ha-ha... even the devil has a more user friendly agreement.
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Lol, how do you enable Bixby routines without using any other Bixby apks?
Best I can tell you can't... just tried.
You read the bixby eula? Bah-ha-ha-ha... even the devil has a more user friendly agreement.
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yet you still sign into google for some reason
sesnut said:
yet you still sign into google for some reason
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Gmail. Rarely Playstore. That's it.
Since it's a stock Android it's needed for factory resets as well.
Google is a cancer... no need for Sammy's tard Bixby though.
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Lol, how do you enable Bixby routines without using any other Bixby apks?
Best I can tell you can't... just tried.
You read the bixby eula? Bah-ha-ha-ha... even the devil has a more user friendly agreement.
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Actually, I uninstalled all bixby garbage save for the routines and the routines work like a charm...
blackhawk said:
Gmail. Rarely Playstore. That's it.
Since it's a stock Android it's needed for factory resets as well.
Google is a cancer... no need for Sammy's tard Bixby though.
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I have been experimenting with Samsung email which seems to tie in very well the OS. Battery usage is also comparable to Gmail. I have 3 gsuite and 1 main gmail account syncing..while on Gmail it used 3.2% at the end of the day...Samsung email also closes the day at the same level...the only trade-off is swipe to complete feature in Gmail but that's the small price to pay for the better aesthetics in Samsung email...
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I have been experimenting with Samsung email which seems to tie in very well the OS. Battery usage is also comparable to Gmail. I have 3 gsuite and 1 main gmail account syncing..while on Gmail it used 3.2% at the end of the day...Samsung email also closes the day at the same level...the only trade-off is swipe to complete feature in Gmail but that's the small price to pay for the better aesthetics in Samsung email...
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I like the factory load gmail format better. Probably makes no difference though; whichever you like more.
Gmail use to be so much better 10 years ago...
I'm using aodNotify to turn on the AOD for a set amount of time after getting a notification, then turn it back off.
Any help, where should I even look to troubleshoot this? Can I turn off all settings that might affect this, to see if that fixes things (before I resort to factory reset)?
My S21 Ultra fails to show some of my Google calendar event notifications, but will show other Google calendar event notifications.
The S21 Ultra should show all of the Google calendar event notifications, because all of the Google Calendar notifications trigger on my previous phone and web browser. It's just the S21 Ultra that seems to miss 3 out of 4 Google Calendar Notifications.
I disabled battery usage optimization for Google calendar, but it's puzzling that the S21 Ultra shows only some of the Calendar Event notifications, but I don't see any pattern, or what would cause some Google calendar event notifications to work and some don't, but only on the S21 Ultra.
Oh, to add, I checked the S21 Ultra's App notifications, to see the list of "Most recent" notifications that have been triggered.
Google Calendar shows up, but lists 14 hours ago as the most recent Google Calendar notification on the S21 Ultra. I've had several Google Calendar events that should have notified me more recently, on as recent as 1 hour ago.
I just added a test Google Calendar event using my web browser, and the browser faithfully notified me about the Google Calendar event.
It's as if the S21 Ultra doesn't even know that it's supposed to trigger a Google Calendar notification? Yet my old phone has no issues triggering all Google Calendar notifications.
The S21 Ultra will also trigger other notifications, sometimes delayed, but I consistently get my text message and email notifications, although email is sometimes delayed.
Try what I suggested here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/delayed-notification-problems-s21-ultra.4243105/
If that doesn't work, I'd suggest going to the Samsung community forums.
Just a guess...
Disable all power management... destroyer of worlds
Which app are you using on your phone?
Samsung Calendar or Google Calendar?
Samsung. Zero trust in Gookill.
I rarely use it but never have issues when I do.
However I'm on a N10+ running Pie.
Regardless power management will cause all kinds of erratic behavior issues.
Try clearing the system cache as well.
A factory reset might clear it but it's likely to return. Find and correct the root cause instead.
Usually if I work an issue over for a few days or weeks I find the solution.
Do Google searches and cross platform with other models and OSs; many Samsung issues are long standing and persistent even after years
This is many times the only option for troubleshooting newer models.
blackhawk said:
Samsung. Zero trust in Gookill.
I rarely use it but never have issues when I do.
However I'm on a N10+ running Pie.
Regardless power management will cause all kinds of erratic behavior issues.
Try clearing the system cache as well.
A factory reset might clear it but it's likely to return. Find and correct the root cause instead.
Usually if I work an issue over for a few days or weeks I find the solution.
Do Google searches and cross platform with other models and OSs; many Samsung issues are long standing and persistent even after years
This is many times the only option for troubleshooting newer models.
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And, then, people wonder why the iPhone sells.
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And, then, people wonder why the iPhone sells.
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I've used Apples* and I hate them... no one wants a big sister except a gutless wimp
I got a brain... I can work it out myself.
Overpriced memory and no SD cards make them useless lap dogs to me... I hate poodles.
My 10+ looks so much better, looks and behaves exactly how >I< want it too.
Boosting close to a tb of storage, 12 gb of ram, there's not an Apple that can fullfill its mission.
I've used Androids for over 7 years (much of that time on outdated OS versions) and never had to do even one factory reset due malware. So Apple "security" means absolutely nothing to me.
*they run well and look like hell
Google Calendar is working fine for me but Gmail is giving me trouble now.
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Google Calendar is working fine for me but Gmail is giving me trouble now.
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Will it manually sync?
That's all you really need and probably want.
Make sure there's no firewall blocking it
Try clearing all data in Google Play Services (painless).
Try the factory load version.
Reboots are rarely needed on Android but Playstore and occasionally Gmail can be problem brats.
Double check all those damn Gookill settings
If it keeps giving you trouble try deleting then recreating your Google account.
Same problem here tried everything but nothing works .
when I'm open my screen I got a thousand notifications sounds from all of my apps .
I really can't understand that
sagiag said:
Same problem here tried everything but nothing works .
when I'm open my screen I got a thousand notifications sounds from all of my apps .
I really can't understand that
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Do you know if it's Play Services that handles our notifications?
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Do you know if it's Play Services that handles our notifications?
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I'm not sure
But as end user I done the recommended steps regarding the battery optimization processes.
Honestly my choices now is to root my device and change ROM
Or sell the device
Shame on you Samsung
sagiag said:
I'm not sure
But as end user I done the recommended steps regarding the battery optimization processes.
Honestly my choices now is to root my device and change ROM
Or sell the device
Shame on you Samsung
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Do you leave AOD ON or OFF?
I'm going to leave it ON and see if it helps.
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Do you leave AOD ON or OFF?
I'm going to leave it ON and see if it helps.
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Doesn't help.
I'm literally not getting notifications unless I unlock the phone.
What a joke.
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Doesn't help.
I'm literally not getting notifications unless I unlock the phone.
What a joke.
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Same I tried both of the scenarios always on and always off .
It's not help unfortunately
In my case I'm getting notifications from Samsung apps
And Gmail for example and my work mail application.
But from the local news apps
From ebay , Amazon etc
Nothing until I unlock the screen
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Same I tried both of the scenarios always on and always off .
It's not help unfortunately
In my case I'm getting notifications from Samsung apps
And Gmail for example and my work mail application.
But from the local news apps
From ebay , Amazon etc
Nothing until I unlock the screen
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Same account.
On Pixel and S21 Ultra.
I'm testing GMail by sending myself emails and testing GCalendar by creating events online.
The Pixel responds immediately as it should.
The S21 Ultra required me to unlock the screen for it to check. I've tried multiple things now.
Such a shame.
Unfortunately I think that I will root my device and change the ROM
The problem is that I will trigger KNOX and than it will be impossible for me to sell it in the future
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Same account.
On Pixel and S21 Ultra.
I'm testing GMail by sending myself emails and testing GCalendar by creating events online.
The Pixel responds immediately as it should.
The S21 Ultra required me to unlock the screen for it to check. I've tried multiple things now.
Such a shame.
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You probably missed something in settings. Samsung's offers a lot more customization than Pixel.
Samsung's can be a handful until you sort them out... play with it.
Don't get fixated on one small issue.
Rule #1 to avoid erratic behavior, do not enable any power management
Set the power profile to Optimized or higher and toggle on fast charging. Done.
The infuriating part is it's impossible to tell *WHICH SETTINGS* are causing the missed notifications.
When I followed the instructions to disable all power savings (see link to instructions in earlier posts above), I got my Google Calendar Notifications for that day.
But after rebooting my phone last night, I no longer receive Google Calendar Notifications. I verified my power savings options are all turned off.
I've now turned off my personal ad-blocking firewall to see if that helps. It's not been an issue in years past.
I just want to disable everything as a test case to try to receive Google Calendar Notifications. I simply cannot see any other settings to change, but who knows maybe there is some weird setting that could affect notifications but it's totally non-intuitive?
After I Flashed official Firmware my battery has been draing way to fast. Any Ideas as to why?
Welcome to XDA Enjoy.
Try turning off all power management.
Disable all the cloud crapware ie Google Backup Transport and Samsung's junk.
Turn off Google Firebase.
Disable all Google, app, carrier feedback.
Get rid of FB, WhatsApp etc if present... pure malware.
Disable Google Play Services and Playstore when not needed. They are busy bodies that waste your power mining your data.
blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA Enjoy.
Try turning off all power management.
Disable all the cloud crapware ie Google Backup Transport and Samsung's junk.
Turn off Google Firebase.
Disable all Google, app, carrier feedback.
Get rid of FB, WhatsApp etc if present... pure malware.
Disable Google Play Services and Playstore when not needed. They are busy bodies that waste your power mining your data.
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Bruh, that's not the solution! The 2 latest updates have a problem with some camera wakelock issue. There are some solutions but for now they are only for rooted phones.
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Welcome to XDA Enjoy.
Try turning off all power management.
Disable all the cloud crapware ie Google Backup Transport and Samsung's junk.
Turn off Google Firebase.
Disable all Google, app, carrier feedback.
Get rid of FB, WhatsApp etc if present... pure malware.
Disable Google Play Services and Playstore when not needed. They are busy bodies that waste your power mining your data.
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So basically you are trying to help him by saying to turn off everything in he's very, very expensive smartphone and convert it into "phone with decent camera"? Mate it is not a solution, when you have problem with you car you don't turn up the music to drown out engine weird noises ;|
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
So basically you are trying to help him by saying to turn off everything in he's very, very expensive smartphone and convert it into "phone with decent camera"? Mate it is not a solution, when you have problem with you car you don't turn up the music to drown out engine weird noises ;|
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Do what you want. I don't have time for this.
If you think erratic behavior whilst using more battery is a smart phone... it's a lick on you.
blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA Enjoy.
Try turning off all power management.
Disable all the cloud crapware ie Google Backup Transport and Samsung's junk.
Turn off Google Firebase.
Disable all Google, app, carrier feedback.
Get rid of FB, WhatsApp etc if present... pure malware.
Disable Google Play Services and Playstore when not needed. They are busy bodies that waste your power mining your data.
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I think this is a little too extreme. It's like removing the brakes, body panels, air conditioning and suspension of a Rolls Royce to make it lighter and and more fuel efficient. Not sure you'd get your money's worth with the handicap that remains after disabling everything in that list.
Not trying to pick a fight here, I have nothing personal against you - I'm sure you meant well. I'm just saying that not everyone can live with a severly handicapped smartphone with most of the social and connectivity features disabled.
Yosh123 said:
After I Flashed official Firmware my battery has been draing way to fast. Any Ideas as to why?
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Which firmware? How did you "flash" it? Are you rooted? Were you on a Custom ROM before? DId you use Smart Switch? How long has it been since you cset up the phone from scratch?
Need some more details.
There's hardly any information contained in your post to try to figure out how to help you...
enigmaamit said:
I think this is a little too extreme. It's like removing the brakes, body panels, air conditioning and suspension of a Rolls Royce to make it lighter and and more fuel efficient. Not sure you'd get your money's worth with the handicap that remains after disabling everything in that list.
Not trying to pick a fight here, I have nothing personal against you - I'm sure you meant well. I'm just saying that not everyone can live with a severly handicapped smartphone with most of the social and connectivity features disabled.
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Power management... destroyer of worlds.
Ever since it's inception it hasn't worked right causing erratic behavior and even increasing battery usage.
Android manages its self just fine without it.
You need to sort out the trouble making apks because the shotgun power management approach doesn't get it.
Gookill apps are some of the worst offenders as well as data miners. I gain 1-2% more battery life by disabling Google play Services; unless I need to view gmail, use Gmaps or Playstore it stays disabled. Google play Services runs ever worse with power management enabled. If you need Google play Services than keep it enabled and take the battery and data hits.
I get about 7-10%@hour battery usage on a estimate 4100 mAh battery on my Note 10+ with very heavy browser and streaming usage. Unfortunately unless you take the time to learn who/what are the troublemakers are, you will be at their mercy... and machines don't feel empathy.
As for social apps consider the security liabilities and implications. They can and do destroy privacy, careers and lives. All can be hacked in a number of ways and are prime targets.
Maybe you're having too much fun to notice the rapidly approaching tarmac.
No FB or WhatsApp crapware running on this phone... I was born at night but not last night.
An old joke sums it up.
Q: Can you keep a secret?
A: I can too.
blackhawk said:
Maybe you're having too much fun to notice the rapidly approaching tarmac.
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I like how you worded that
blackhawk said:
Do what you want. I don't have time for this.
If you think erratic behavior whilst using more battery is a smart phone... it's a lick on you.
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If you don't have time, we'll not my problem. I just think disabling everything in smartphone is not an fix as mentioned in previous post. But anyway without proper data from OP there is barely anything we can do to help him.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
If you don't have time, we'll not my problem. I just think disabling everything in smartphone is not an fix as mentioned in previous post. But anyway without proper data from OP there is barely anything we can do to help him.
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I got time but not for ineptness...it's not a desirable trait or skillset.
The OP needs to ferret it out and optimize the device as they see fit. All I can do is point out know issues and possible workarounds for a stock Android.
There is no quick fix as there are multiple issues.
Disclaimer: what works well for me may puke on you
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
If you don't have time, we'll not my problem. I just think disabling everything in smartphone is not an fix as mentioned in previous post. But anyway without proper data from OP there is barely anything we can do to help him.
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maybe this is the latest issue from new updated software version, first try to factory data reset before (backup the important data first with smart switch), then if it's feel same, try to disable the most battery consume one like power management and google play (and play service) just for a day to compare with the default setting before.
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maybe this is the latest issue from new updated software version, first try to factory data reset before (backup the important data first with smart switch), then if it's feel same, try to disable the most battery consume one like power management and google play (and play service) just for a day to compare with the default setting before.
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You`ve quoted wrong person
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
You`ve quoted wrong person
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Ohh sorry my mistake
Seeing as there are dozens of people who are claiming issues with receiving notifications. I figured it's time to make this thread.
The following has worked for me to restore notifications for every single app I use.
To date, I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever with getting any notifications from any apps. Regardless of the app itself, time, battery state of the phone or 4G/5G/Wifi et cetera,
These are the steps that I have done. They worked for me. If you have already done other steps and things are not working for you. You may likely have broken something on your own, in which case these below steps obviously won't work for you.
Steps.
I got my new phone
I ran the Debloat Script
Rebooted the phone to check everything is working, no force closes etc.
Installed the apps I needed manually (did not copy from any previous device or use a transfer app)
Settings > Battery > Set to Balanced
Settings > Battery > Background Power Consumption > for messaging apps and other real-time important apps I set "High Background Power Usage"
For each app > Go to "App Info" (longtap on app) > Permissions > All Permissions > Autostart ON
Install APKPure store
Update these: Google Play Store, Google Services Framework, Google Play Services, Carrier Services
Reboot
Make a test notification from another phone to my Vivo - it works.
Open the app, then use the App Manager to swipe it away from the recents drawer
Make another test notification - it works.
Most of this is just simple a' la: https://dontkillmyapp.com/vivo
I have tested this with the following apps (and many more I could not be bothered to list):
Whatsapp (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Facebook Messenger (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Telegram (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Signal (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Threema (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Snapchat (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Google Photos (sync works fine, also got shared photos notification)
Gmail (all email notifications working, also Google Meets notification reminders)
Google Calendar (calendar reminders all working)
Microsoft Todo (reminders working fine, also added shared tasks notifications working)
Protonmail (all email notifications working)
Tutanota (all email notifications working)
Weawow Weather (weather alerts working fine, plus persistent notification not being killed for weather)
Pano Scrobbler (automatically opens and detects any playing music correctly even if I haven't opened the app in days)
Youtube Vanced (subscription notifications working fine, so are recommendations)
NewPipe Sponsorblock (same as Youtube Vanced)
This allows apps to start by themselves (also when invoked by another app in the background), it also prevents them from ever being killed in the background so you still get notifications.
Other things to note:
Dark Mode - I have it set to always on, no problems with notifications whatsoever and I have never had a problem
Do Not Disturb - When the schedule is set, all notifications are still received but are muted
com.vivo.pem - Still installed on my phone, I never removed it and I do not recommend removing it
120hz Mode - I am using this all the time
Battery saving or task killing apps? - I have none installed. They are all unreliable.
TradingShenzhen - I got my phone from here
System Version - PD2227C_A_13.0.19.0.W10.V000L1
Battery drain?
My phone barely even drains 20-35% in a day. This is by far the best phone I have ever used when it comes to battery drain. I have never had a problem with the battery draining at all. Not even randomly or overnight. The longest I have left my phone on without any kind of reboot is about 9 days. The phone drains on average about 1.3% per hour if I am not using it and 3% an hour with light use. Even using the camera and taking 4K video, the drain is very minimal. I use auto brightness and I have the always-on display turned off.
Battery drain will always come down to how you use your phone:
How much you pick it up,
Did you Debloat your phone,
Do you play games (I do not),
Are you using 5G (much higher drain) or Wifi (lower drain),
Do you have lots of apps syncing high volumes of data in the background,
Do you have Bluetooth on constantly and NFC in the background always on,
Do you watch a lot of videos (I do not),
Do you regularly properly close apps you aren't using?
and all things like this. As always YMMV. For me though, I could not get a single day out of my Samsung S22U. I can get almost 3 days out of my Vivo X90 Pro+ whilst taking a lot of photos, quite a few videos, having a few calls and using my browser a lot.
Here's 2 screenshots of my battery usage. Purple bars are background usage, which you can see is really nice and low for all apps. Turquoise (blueish) is foreground usage and I think those levels are normal. Notion is a massive battery hog, so is Libby. Notion due to sub-optimal coding and the over aggressive syncing it does when you're even just typing. Libby is just badly made. Likely I will also prevent Libby running in the background, but I allowed it only so I get notifications when my books are ready.
What about *x* app?
I don't know man, do these steps and try it for yourself. This is just what I have done and I have literally a perfect experience with this phone so far, which I think is to be expected because I wasn't chopping up my OS and removing system apps etc. If you feel like you are having a really bad experience, likely the only way forward is to fully factory reset the phone and try these steps.
What about com.vivo.pem?
Look. Friend... If you haven't figured out by the screenshot evidence and everything else I've been saying here and in my other threads, that you absolutely do not need to remove it (and absolutely should not). Then I can't help you and I won't say it again. What I will say though is this. There are a few people who have removed it, all of which STILL are having problems. ALL of which who are facing far WORSE problems like battery drain so bad that one of the biggest advocates for deleting this package is now selling his Vivo X90PP because he's unwilling to admit he bricked it by removing this package. Yet despite this he's still telling others to remove it . What we do know? Well removing to causes massive battery drain, your phone won't even last a full day. Removing it also can make it impossible to install any apps after an OS update . Removing it can also do all sorts of other weird things with your phone like force close apps randomly and cause random restarts. So why did people remove it? Because some "genius" was convinced it was a good idea. Because one guy who owned an X80 said it solved a problem getting his notifications to work. Because instead of looking for a really solution, some guys got out the axe and started hacking. So, keep the package? The worst you'll get is what... a notification might not work (which this whole guide should fix anyway). Remove it? Then only God can help you (or maybe a factory reset). My advice: Leave the package alone. If you already removed it and are having problems, factory reset and run the new debloat script and follow this guide.
Final word
I don't really use this community at all. Nor do I check posts very often. I help out only in my spare time and I don't have any interest in being some active member. In the past I have found this community unwelcoming, toxic and full of chest beaters, so I am really only interested in getting the tools and info I need and then getting out. I am not sure even why I bothered fixing the script for everyone else, I guess because it was simple and I really love this phone and want others to enjoy it. In short, I want more good phones like this and with a little bit of tweaking it can be an amazing device. However, lately, a lot of people have been DMing me after I fixed the debloat script, like over 20 people. Please do not DM me, I will likely not see these posts at all. All my notifications are disabled now after too much spam. Plus I won't reply to them individually. Make your posts in a thread where more than just me could give you an answer and do not pose your questions to "just me". I won't help you with your specific issues. The community here has always been adamant that you need to help yourself, otherwise just buy some overpriced Samdung or iPhone and forget about XDA altogether. My 2 cents.
In any case, I hope this thread helps some people going forward.
Have you got muted group chats in Signal, Telegram and or Whatsapp?
extremecarver said:
Have you got muted group chats in Signal, Telegram and or Whatsapp?
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You're on my ignore list but I will reply to you this once only. Yes and those chats don't notify me when they are muted but my unmuted group chats notify me on every message. That is, the chats work fine, the exact same way as on my other phone. I don't want muted chats to notify me anyway.
Only viber doesnt work in dark mode in my case (it lights up screen with no content shown and no sound, no notification shown on garmin fenix 7) in light mode works perfectly
Thank you for the guide. But after some time my apps stop getting notifications again. What the solution for that? I have script 2.6 too and vivo pem active.
M5Pro60 said:
Thank you for the guide. But after some time my apps stop getting notifications again. What the solution for that? I have script 2.6 too and vivo pem active.
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Disable dark mode
ef1x said:
Disable dark mode
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I don't have dark mode.
This method don't work for me. I have read in other forums it is save to kill pem.vivo. i will try now this.
M5Pro60 said:
This method don't work for me. I have read in other forums it is save to kill pem.vivo. i will try now this.
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I currently have vivo.pem active , there is old debloat script that kills vivo pem, i would recomend that you kill only com.vivo.pem only. Delete other lines leave only vivo pem.
Also i have noticed when you run new and then old script then battery drain starts.
I always do factory reset before debloating and never restore using unbloat script.
ef1x said:
I currently have vivo.pem active , there is old debloat script that kills vivo pem, i would recomend that you kill only com.vivo.pem only. Delete other lines leave only vivo pem.
Also i have noticed when you run new and then old script then battery drain starts.
I always do factory reset before debloating and never restore using unbloat script.
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Ok thank you.
ef1x said:
I currently have vivo.pem active , there is old debloat script that kills vivo pem, i would recomend that you kill only com.vivo.pem only. Delete other lines leave only vivo pem.
Also i have noticed when you run new and then old script then battery drain starts.
I always do factory reset before debloating and never restore using unbloat script.
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Will i brick my phone? it says in main post.
M5Pro60 said:
Will i brick my phone? it says in main post.
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No
Hi mate
Can you please tell me if your floating notifications pop up for WhatsApp? (The small message preview windows at the top of your screen whilst unlocked.) They work for every app except WhatsApp on mine.
luontokoodaus said:
Seeing as there are dozens of people who are claiming issues with receiving notifications. I figured it's time to make this thread.
The following has worked for me to restore notifications for every single app I use.
To date, I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever with getting any notifications from any apps. Regardless of the app itself, time, battery state of the phone or 4G/5G/Wifi et cetera,
These are the steps that I have done. They worked for me. If you have already done other steps and things are not working for you. You may likely have broken something on your own, in which case these below steps obviously won't work for you.
Steps.
I got my new phone
I ran the Debloat Script
Rebooted the phone to check everything is working, no force closes etc.
Installed the apps I needed manually (did not copy from any previous device or use a transfer app)
Settings > Battery > Set to Balanced
Settings > Battery > Background Power Consumption > for messaging apps and other real-time important apps I set "High Background Power Usage"
For each app > Go to "App Info" (longtap on app) > Permissions > All Permissions > Autostart ON
Install APKPure store
Update these: Google Play Store, Google Services Framework, Google Play Services, Carrier Services
Reboot
Make a test notification from another phone to my Vivo - it works.
Open the app, then use the App Manager to swipe it away from the recents drawer
Make another test notification - it works.
Most of this is just simple a' la: https://dontkillmyapp.com/vivo
I have tested this with the following apps (and many more I could not be bothered to list):
Whatsapp (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Facebook Messenger (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Telegram (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Signal (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Threema (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Snapchat (all message notifications are fine, can receive calls too)
Google Photos (sync works fine, also got shared photos notification)
Gmail (all email notifications working, also Google Meets notification reminders)
Google Calendar (calendar reminders all working)
Microsoft Todo (reminders working fine, also added shared tasks notifications working)
Protonmail (all email notifications working)
Tutanota (all email notifications working)
Weawow Weather (weather alerts working fine, plus persistent notification not being killed for weather)
Pano Scrobbler (automatically opens and detects any playing music correctly even if I haven't opened the app in days)
Youtube Vanced (subscription notifications working fine, so are recommendations)
NewPipe Sponsorblock (same as Youtube Vanced)
This allows apps to start by themselves (also when invoked by another app in the background), it also prevents them from ever being killed in the background so you still get notifications.
Other things to note:
Dark Mode - I have it set to always on, no problems with notifications whatsoever and I have never had a problem
Do Not Disturb - When the schedule is set, all notifications are still received but are muted
com.vivo.pem - Still installed on my phone, I never removed it and I do not recommend removing it
120hz Mode - I am using this all the time
Battery saving or task killing apps? - I have none installed. They are all unreliable.
TradingShenzhen - I got my phone from here
System Version - PD2227C_A_13.0.19.0.W10.V000L1
Battery drain?
My phone barely even drains 20-35% in a day. This is by far the best phone I have ever used when it comes to battery drain. I have never had a problem with the battery draining at all. Not even randomly or overnight. The longest I have left my phone on without any kind of reboot is about 9 days. The phone drains on average about 1.3% per hour if I am not using it and 3% an hour with light use. Even using the camera and taking 4K video, the drain is very minimal. I use auto brightness and I have the always-on display turned off.
Battery drain will always come down to how you use your phone:
How much you pick it up,
Did you Debloat your phone,
Do you play games (I do not),
Are you using 5G (much higher drain) or Wifi (lower drain),
Do you have lots of apps syncing high volumes of data in the background,
Do you have Bluetooth on constantly and NFC in the background always on,
Do you watch a lot of videos (I do not),
Do you regularly properly close apps you aren't using?
and all things like this. As always YMMV. For me though, I could not get a single day out of my Samsung S22U. I can get almost 3 days out of my Vivo X90 Pro+ whilst taking a lot of photos, quite a few videos, having a few calls and using my browser a lot.
Here's 2 screenshots of my battery usage. Purple bars are background usage, which you can see is really nice and low for all apps. Turquoise (blueish) is foreground usage and I think those levels are normal. Notion is a massive battery hog, so is Libby. Notion due to sub-optimal coding and the over aggressive syncing it does when you're even just typing. Libby is just badly made. Likely I will also prevent Libby running in the background, but I allowed it only so I get notifications when my books are ready.
What about *x* app?
I don't know man, do these steps and try it for yourself. This is just what I have done and I have literally a perfect experience with this phone so far, which I think is to be expected because I wasn't chopping up my OS and removing system apps etc. If you feel like you are having a really bad experience, likely the only way forward is to fully factory reset the phone and try these steps.
What about com.vivo.pem?
Look. Friend... If you haven't figured out by the screenshot evidence and everything else I've been saying here and in my other threads, that you absolutely do not need to remove it (and absolutely should not). Then I can't help you and I won't say it again. What I will say though is this. There are a few people who have removed it, all of which STILL are having problems. ALL of which who are facing far WORSE problems like battery drain so bad that one of the biggest advocates for deleting this package is now selling his Vivo X90PP because he's unwilling to admit he bricked it by removing this package. Yet despite this he's still telling others to remove it . What we do know? Well removing to causes massive battery drain, your phone won't even last a full day. Removing it also can make it impossible to install any apps after an OS update . Removing it can also do all sorts of other weird things with your phone like force close apps randomly and cause random restarts. So why did people remove it? Because some "genius" was convinced it was a good idea. Because one guy who owned an X80 said it solved a problem getting his notifications to work. Because instead of looking for a really solution, some guys got out the axe and started hacking. So, keep the package? The worst you'll get is what... a notification might not work (which this whole guide should fix anyway). Remove it? Then only God can help you (or maybe a factory reset). My advice: Leave the package alone. If you already removed it and are having problems, factory reset and run the new debloat script and follow this guide.
Final word
I don't really use this community at all. Nor do I check posts very often. I help out only in my spare time and I don't have any interest in being some active member. In the past I have found this community unwelcoming, toxic and full of chest beaters, so I am really only interested in getting the tools and info I need and then getting out. I am not sure even why I bothered fixing the script for everyone else, I guess because it was simple and I really love this phone and want others to enjoy it. In short, I want more good phones like this and with a little bit of tweaking it can be an amazing device. However, lately, a lot of people have been DMing me after I fixed the debloat script, like over 20 people. Please do not DM me, I will likely not see these posts at all. All my notifications are disabled now after too much spam. Plus I won't reply to them individually. Make your posts in a thread where more than just me could give you an answer and do not pose your questions to "just me". I won't help you with your specific issues. The community here has always been adamant that you need to help yourself, otherwise just buy some overpriced Samdung or iPhone and forget about XDA altogether. My 2 cents.
In any case, I hope this thread helps some people going forward.
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I killed vivo.pem at sunday and it's good. what you say from remove is not right!
@M5Pro60 but do your floating notifications pop up for WhatsApp?
Btw, if I have my phone in vibration mode with screen off it doesn't vibrate for many app notifications . Seems to be just another bug related to notifications. Then when I switch on the screen the notifications arrive delayed sometimes, sometimes not....
Also the notifications don't make it onto my Fenix 6X pro with vibration mode...
Just a rotten software with bugs everywhere....
I did everything as in the first post:
- reminders made on the same day (yesterday) - everything worked
- today, next day, again Google Calendar does not send notifications.
All settings are preserved, nothing has changed.
I don't understand what happened now?
Tiverask said:
@M5Pro60 but do your floating notifications pop up for WhatsApp?
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Yes works when watch YouTube landscape.
usersmrtph said:
I did everything as in the first post:
- reminders made on the same day (yesterday) - everything worked
- today, next day, again Google Calendar does not send notifications.
All settings are preserved, nothing has changed.
I don't understand what happened now?
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Yes I have the same. I delete vivo.pem and now all is good. Main post is lie about pem.
M5Pro60 said:
Yes I have the same. I delete vivo.pem and now all is good. Main post is lie about pem.
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I can't find myself ... com.vivo.pem