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Is this at all possible? I've looked around for answers, and this thread suggests it's possible. But everywhere else I've looked says you MUST be rooted. Having Xposed would sure make our AT&T non-rooted S5's much more bearable! Any thoughts?
Xposed framework requires root. Plus many of the modules use root as well.
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Xposed framework requires root. Plus many of the modules use root as well.
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Sucks!!! That's what I figured, I mean I should've known because only ONE article said "Yes" but all of the other TWENTY that I read said "No". Maybe I misunderstood that one article, lol. Thanks for your help!
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Sucks!!! That's what I figured, I mean I should've known because only ONE article said "Yes" but all of the other TWENTY that I read said "No". Maybe I misunderstood that one article, lol. Thanks for your help!
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Some do work without being rooted. Ultimate Dynamic Navbar (udn) and Cool Tool both work and they are on Play. They don't need to have xposed framework installed either. Some people will never know if they don't try and they are not helping you by just making a blanket 'that will never work' statement. Anyway check them out they will keep you busy for a while..they are both good apps..have fun!
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Some do work without being rooted. Ultimate Dynamic Navbar (udn) and Cool Tool both work and they are on Play. They don't need to have xposed framework installed either. Some people will never know if they don't try and they are not helping you by just making a blanket 'that will never work' statement. Anyway check them out they will keep you busy for a while..they are both good apps..have fun!
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Thanks Goose! I know we can root our phones now, and have rooted all of my previous phones, but I'm not quite ready to take the plunge with this phone just yet. I will definitely try these apps. Much appreciated!!
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Thanks Goose! I know we can root our phones now, and have rooted all of my previous phones, but I'm not quite ready to take the plunge with this phone just yet. I will definitely try these apps. Much appreciated!!
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I literally just rooted like 30 mins ago. Do it, but when I used xposed, my phone ran like crap, took it off, now it's perfect again, but with root lol
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I literally just rooted like 30 mins ago. Do it, but when I used xposed, my phone ran like crap, took it off, now it's perfect again, but with root lol
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May be related to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784945
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May be related to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784945
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exactly! i read that after i posted on here lol. but since i havent tried the "fix" myself, i figured i wouldnt edit anything i said till then thanks though!
Hi guys, so I've just received my n6 from my boyfriend as a gift (what an amazing boyfriend!) and I'm on the fence as to whether I want to root this gorgeous piece of technology.
A little background information on me and my mobile phone habits: have had 3 android phones, all of them rooted and all ran custom roms (with the exception of my latest m8). I predominantly root my phone for the little features that make my phone aesthetically and functionally snazzy, and xposed module was my absolute go to for all that jazz. Other root apps were awesome too, but gravity box and sense toolbox were absolute essentials for me. That said, although I think I do know a thing or two about rooting, I'm by no means an expert or entirely proficient in root-language.
Now that xposed is a definite no-no, and given that most of my mods were executed through xposed previously, would there be a good reason for me to root? In the tiny amount of research I've done thus far I haven't found an alternative for gravity box nor have I found an app that would allow me the same functionality such as swapping the recent and back button, reducing the size of the navigational bar, expanding the sound volume menu etc. What do you think? Root?
Your thoughts would be appreciated! Many thanks in advance!
I root just for ad blocking purposes. It makes a huge difference in everyday use.
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I root just for ad blocking purposes. It makes a huge difference in everyday use.
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What do you use for ad blocking
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What do you use for ad blocking
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Adaway. It works so well.
A thread on this topic already exist with the solutions to your question, http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/root-n6-doesnt-make-sense-to-t2981048
Its 5 pages long so I'm sure you can find many reasons to root.
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Has anyone been able to get Xposed working on their Verizon Nexus 6 running Android 5.1? I've been trying all day and have searched and searched and followed all the workaround threads and nothing has worked. I cannot get Xposed working. I've tried the SELinux mode changer app, tried the initd script, tried flashing the zip that sets linux to permissive. Nothing is working.
So has anyone been able to get it to work on their Verizon NExus 6? If you did please share what method worked for you..
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Has anyone been able to get Xposed working on their Verizon Nexus 6 running Android 5.1? I've been trying all day and have searched and searched and followed all the workaround threads and nothing has worked. I cannot get Xposed working. I've tried the SELinux mode changer app, tried the initd script, tried flashing the zip that sets linux to permissive. Nothing is working.
So has anyone been able to get it to work on their Verizon NExus 6? If you did please share what method worked for you..
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I don't think it works on any nexus running 5.1.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PFWlrzDGog1zF1w5w&sig2=ivFa7bsj9rSL1zrdof-SJQ
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I don't think it works on any nexus running 5.1.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PFWlrzDGog1zF1w5w&sig2=ivFa7bsj9rSL1zrdof-SJQ
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Well crap. I didn't see that article in my searches. I guess i'll just have to wait patiently for it. Lol. In the meantime I guess i'll just find a nice feature filled rom to flash. Whah. That's lame. Thanks for the post tho, at least I'm not fruitlessly trying to get it to work anymore. I'm sure somebody will figure out how to get it working soon enough.
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Well crap. I didn't see that article in my searches. I guess i'll just have to wait patiently for it. Lol. In the meantime I guess i'll just find a nice feature filled rom to flash. Whah. That's lame. Thanks for the post tho, at least I'm not fruitlessly trying to get it to work anymore. I'm sure somebody will figure out how to get it working soon enough.
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Yea that's the price we pay sometimes for the latest and greatest.
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Yea that's the price we pay sometimes for the latest and greatest.
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Yeah its cool. I still friggen love this device even without the sdcard slot or xposed.
just out of curiosity what does xposed do that is so great that everybody misses. And I see people are very concerned about getting it back. I glanced at it quickly and it looks like an ad blocker and a couple other features that you can get with other applications. what am I missing?
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just out of curiosity what does xposed do that is so great that everybody misses. And I see people are very concerned about getting it back. I glanced at it quickly and it looks like an ad blocker and a couple other features that you can get with other applications. what am I missing?
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Xposed got big because it brought customization to many phones that had root but locked bootloaders. It's a little less useful when you're on a custom ROM but there's a lot of app hacks. I like it to do simple things like save all my Snapchats without notifying people or unlimited skips in Pandora.
Not to mention some of the top devs prefer to work on Xposed rather than ROMs since it isn't device specific. So a stock 5.0.2 ROM with the Gravity Box module has more customization features than most of our current ROMs do. Here's the full module repository:
http://repo.xposed.info/module-overview
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just out of curiosity what does xposed do that is so great that everybody misses. And I see people are very concerned about getting it back. I glanced at it quickly and it looks like an ad blocker and a couple other features that you can get with other applications. what am I missing?
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Xposed does a heck of a lot more than just block ads. The uses for it are almost endless. It allows almost limitless customization. Everything from UI modifications to, unlimited Pandora skips. It literally gives you all the options of a really really feature filled custom rom while still running the stock rom. Take some time and look through all the xposed modules for it and all the things they can do. That should give you an idea of how much you can do with it.
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Xposed does a heck of a lot more than just... Take some time and look through all the xposed modules for it and all the things they can do. That should give you an idea of how much you can do with it.
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I don't know from what I've read it looks like crack. When you guys don't have it you get all cranky and anxious perhaps I'm better not knowing [emoji85]
Thanks I'll have a second look.
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I don't know from what I've read it looks like crack. When you guys don't have it you get all cranky and anxious perhaps I'm better not knowing [emoji85]
Thanks I'll have a second look.
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For me its the little things. Like crappalinks. Don't ya hate how tapatalk does a link hijack? Fixed. Want to use Google voice to text with Swype. Fixed. Hate the stupid "hey dummy, you are using a vpn, that you know, you like installed and set up and launched?" Fixed. Removes a lot of little annoyances that the custom ROM devs are too busy making the **** work to begin with to address.
Also, Gravity Box, lol. The last six months or so of my use of my old S4 was on a Google Edition ROM port. It was by far the best performing ROM, but it also lacked features, kind of like the stock based ROMs here. Gravity Box brought almost all of the features of custom ROMs to the GE ROM.
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just out of curiosity what does xposed do that is so great that everybody misses. And I see people are very concerned about getting it back. I glanced at it quickly and it looks like an ad blocker and a couple other features that you can get with other applications. what am I missing?
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Xposed is a framework that allows you to "inject" new functions, settings, code into any ROM or app. For example, you may want a custom rom so you can customise your notification quick settings. With xposed, you can install a custom module that will allow that without changing the rom. If no rom has all the features you want, find the feature you want as an xposed module and add it.. Thats what the fuss is about. Its very flexible.,
Here is one of my favourite modules on this device...
What's everyone using to block ads until xposed is available again. Tired of ads popping up in apps and YouTube.
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What's everyone using to block ads until xposed is available again. Tired of ads popping up in apps and YouTube.
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Have you tried ad away or ad free?
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Have you tried ad away or ad free?
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Actually I found out about adfree and tried it. Still get ads in apps. Of course YouTube still has ads too which I don't expect will be fixed until we get xposed back.
Xposed is awesome and I cannot wait to get it on 5.1. So someone asked what does it do/why use it? There are many reasons.
You want to keep the original OS after root but still want all of the features of cyanogenmod or whatever. Xposed has a lot of them and more. For instance you could set your verizon phone to tether with a click of a button, add a date in the top toolbar, change colors of things, add battery %, get rid of ads, etc. Just tons of awesome things. With my gNex I always just flashed new roms when I wanted new stuff. But with my moto X I wanted to keep the OS and still get those advantages so I used xposed and really liked it. Now with the n6 I again really like the OS so I do not want to flash a new rom so xposed it is (once its working).
I think xposed is the way of the future. No more flashing roms and stuff when you can keep your OS and just add features you want.
I really just use it to get most of the customization I used to get from custom roms without the hassle of having to flash custom roms all the time.
It will come to 5.1 just need a little patience, it didn't take that long to get it on 5.0 and that was a much bigger update.
Threads like this remind of people waiting for cydia on iOS every time there is a new update.
I miss the days when am os update didn't interfere with xposed
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I miss the days when am os update didn't interfere with xposed
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Miss the days? LOL I love the fact your reminiscing about software that has been out less than 2 years on hardware that has been out 6 months. Killing me[emoji23]
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Threads like this remind of people waiting for cydia on iOS every time there is a new update.
I miss the days when am os update didn't interfere with xposed
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Yes the Android modding scene has changed drastically in the last few years. I remember when I first got into modding Android on my Verizon S3. That was also when xposed first came out. 3 flagship phone generations ago. I remember waiting for the Verizon Jelly bean update. 4.1.2 Hahaha. Gold old days. (only 3 years ago. Lol). We had actual leaked insecure bootloader on the s3. The last Samsung device on Verizon to gave a legit unlocked bootloader. Not the work around line Loki or stupid safestrap on the s5. That's why I quit the Samsung line last year and got an M8. Now I have a Nexus. Quitting Samsung was a good choice though by the looks of it, the S6 in all its variants sucks. If I wanted an iPhone I would get an iPhone.
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Miss the days? LOL I love the fact your reminiscing about software that has been out less than 2 years on hardware that has been out 6 months. Killing me[emoji23]
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He was reminiscing about Cydia which has been out A LOT longer than two years.
Presuming no Xposed framework will ever be available for Android N or later, what hardware would you buy today? I will not run an Android version without Xposed (due to the need for XPrivacy). Therefore, I seek opinions on the best available, future-proofed hardware to run Xposed. For example, it seems I should still be able to buy a new OnePlus 3T, nuke the Nougat it presumably ships with, and "upgrade" down to Android 6 w/ Xposed. I doubt that path will be an option with later hardware releases.
What's the best, cutting edge Xposed-compatible hardware—presuming I might still be running it 5 years from now?
None.
Also hardware isnt the issue. Software is.
A one plus will stipl run great after 5 years.
But probably new security issues will arise and there won't be bug fixes to those things from anyone.
Maybe there will be other alternatives to exposed, but personally speaking, my current nexus 6 wipl be my last smartphone.
I will either not use one in the future or simply continue using this phone until it dies.
Appart from being utterly disgusted by the regression of technology (removable batteries gone, headphone jacks gone, lack of support),
I also cant stand the privacy issues.
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hardware isnt the issue. Software is.
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I disagree, unless you were making a reference to Wirth's law. My Nexus 5 crawls today in comparison to how it ran years ago, and I'm constantly short on RAM when I wasn't in the past. Most of this is the bloat caused by apps. It will help, of course, that the OS wouldn't be upgraded.
A one plus will stipl run great after 5 years.
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I also perform the hardware repair on my N5 myself, so that's a factor. Things like battery replacement come into play after years of use.
But probably new security issues will arise and there won't be bug fixes to those things from anyone.
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That's effectively where I'm at now. The OTAs won't apply, and I don't care enough to go through the gyrations to update the OS with the patches.
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I disagree, unless you were making a reference to Wirth's law. My Nexus 5 crawls today in comparison to how it ran years ago, and I'm constantly short on RAM when I wasn't in the past. Most of this is the bloat caused by apps. It will help, of course, that the OS wouldn't be upgraded.
I also perform the hardware repair on my N5 myself, so that's a factor. Things like battery replacement come into play after years of use.
That's effectively where I'm at now. The OTAs won't apply, and I don't care enough to go through the gyrations to update the OS with the patches.
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Agreed I have Nexus 5, Redmi Note 3, Redmi Note 4, Moto G5 Plus, Mi5 at home
Nexus 5 feels ancient now though I love the form factor and the occasional times when it runs smooth off late
Im guessing EMMC might be degrading
Then I should buy more Android Phones, at least one for shopping, one for apps at sixes and sevens. I am in China and most of the apps don't want to obey the rules...
Plus: less pleasure for personalizing
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Please keep on topic and refrain from xposed lifespan assumptions , the OP is asking for a different opinion
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you pretty much already have my suggestion.... a OnePlus 3T. since you seem to need xposed (imho, just move on) all new phones will obviously be shipping with android 7.xx+, the 3T is the best phone to get. i doubt there will be an update to xposed so eventually you will need to update and its obvious that later android version will have superior memory management to make use of the 3T's memory.
if by chance, xposed does somehow live you will still be left with a great phone that is only further made better by whatever android version is available. a few weeks ago i helped several classmates switch ROM's. they all bought 3T's due to my recommendation. all are very happy. i suggest you get one while they are still available. i hope this helps! cheers!
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you pretty much already have my suggestion.... a OnePlus 3T.
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Thanks.
since you seem to need xposed (imho, just move on)
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Well, I *need* XPrivacy and not only is that dependent on Xposed but I subsequently found out that development likely won't support anything later than Marshmallow. So, that's where I'll be indefinitely until someone replicates that.
they all bought 3T's due to my recommendation. all are very happy. i suggest you get one while they are still available. i hope this helps! cheers!
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It does. Thanks. The largest concern is battery replacement, as it seems there are no genuine replacement batteries. Maybe that will change in a few years, though.
Well, I *need* XPrivacy.......
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well, if privacy is your concern their are many apps that can help. your familiari with AFWall+ so there's that. you could also use Island by Oasisfeng. i mostly use it to hide my friends titpics and my snapchat, kik accounts but the app will eventually be able to do so much more.
i dont know what type of privacy concerns you have but a firewall should be enough unless your either a spy or just paranoid.
The largest concern is battery replacement....
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you can find parts for this phone with an easy google search. i purchased a replacement screen for a friend that accidentally dropped her 3T from a balcony at school.
i truly suggest you move on to N. soon there O will be released and with it so many worthwhile features. if your lucky enough to get the chance to use it i suggest you do and not pass due to the lack of xposed. while i agree that xposed is great, its not worth passing over on updating to a better android release.
btw, now that there has been more info on the 1+5, i suggest you wait. give island a try and then i hope you go for the 1+5. cheers!
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well, if privacy is your concern their are many apps that can help. your familiari with AFWall+ so there's that.
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In addition to XPrivacy, I'm already using AFWall+, AppOps Xposed, and an always-on VPN.
you could also use Island by Oasisfeng. i mostly use it to hide my friends titpics and my snapchat, kik accounts but the app will eventually be able to do so much more.
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Cool, I'll check it out for consideration to be added it into the mix. Thanks.
i dont know what type of privacy concerns you have but a firewall should be enough unless your either a spy or just paranoid.
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A firewall is necessary but insufficient due to in-band privacy leaks. I require XPrivacy to intercept calls and feed apps fake data. There is really no substitute for Xposed for this type of approach; you may remember PDroid and how clunky that was.
you can find parts for this phone with an easy google search.
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Hm. I was unable to find a genuine OnePlus 3T battery. I found a few obviously counterfeit batteries from dodgy ebay vendors, but I would certainly appreciate it if you could point me to a source for a genuine new replacement battery for a 3T.
i truly suggest you move on to N. soon there O will be released and with it so many worthwhile features.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective, but I'd rather not have a smartphone than to go without XPrivacy or its equivalent. I certainly need XPrivacy a lot more than I need some new UX. I already disable all the "cool" creepy google **** like google now cards and I deny the google app access to my mic & location (well, location services is disabled altogether, but you get the point). My smartphone on MM does what I want it to do, and I really don't need it to do anything more—especially if it comes at the cost of losing the fine-grained control over apps one has via XPrivacy.
Hijacking the thread, since you posted some nice alternatives. What about us that can't live without Amplify and Greenify?
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Hijacking the thread, since you posted some nice alternatives. What about us that can't live without Amplify and Greenify?
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Greenify doesn't require Xposed to work, just for the "boost" features. It works just fine on my 6P running 7.1.2, which means I have no Xposed.
another thread hijack since someone mention xposed module alternatives
can someone create a thread specifically list down all the alternatives for xposed modules? I am switching to S8 which is nougat only so I need to find alternatives for my xposed modules
- app settings: no alt
- appopsxposed: no alt
- boot manager: no alt
- nekosms: samsung default messaging app block feature (although not as complete)
- rootcloak: magisk
- xtouchwiz: manually deal with csc xml
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another thread hijack since someone mention xposed module alternatives
can someone create a thread specifically list down all the alternatives for xposed modules? I am switching to S8 which is nougat only so I need to find alternatives for my xposed modules
- app settings: no alt
- appopsxposed: no alt
- boot manager: no alt
- nekosms: samsung default messaging app block feature (although not as complete)
- rootcloak: magisk
- xtouchwiz: manually deal with csc xml
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Does Magisk directly replace Rootcloak? Doesn't Magiskhide only hide Magisk, not root?
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Does Magisk directly replace Rootcloak? Doesn't Magiskhide only hide Magisk, not root?
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Magisk hides its root.
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Magisk hides its root.
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Right, not SuperSU though.
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Right, not SuperSU though.
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not sure but I thought magisk hide will also hide root from other apps
but you're correct, magisk hide needs magisksu and cannot work with supersu
Hi all, appreciate best practice is always to read posted guides but I'm getting kinda old and too many threads are only relevant at particular points in time when the 5th Gen Fire was newer. So basically I'm lost in conflicting info on the guides and need some direction.
Starting point is i) I've got 'basic' experience of rooting and flashing roms, so my PC has got ADB drivers etc. ii) I have a stock OS 5.4.0.0 5th Gen Fire which is my elderly mothers and the intention is to get the crap OS removed and make it a simple Nexus 7'like device.
Can somebody please give me some step-by-step advice. I'm at the point where the device is developer enabled and ABD enabled. But the guides I've seen are all based on old OS's so I fear the whatever I try next will just brick the unit.
Thx in advance
As of now, 5.3.2.1 - 5.4.0.0 can not be rooted, much less have the bootloader unlocked to install a custom ROM.
aww bummer
OK second question : How should I treat the term "As of now"? Do you think there is any likelihood of a 5.4.0.0 root solution happening soon? i.e. weeks or months?
If its not gonna be a while, then I might just install the non-root google-play stuff and just shift the bloaty stuff out of sight if I can.
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aww bummer
OK second question : How should I treat the term "As of now"? Do you think there is any likelihood of a 5.4.0.0 root solution happening soon? i.e. weeks or months?
If its not gonna be a while, then I might just install the non-root google-play stuff and just shift the bloaty stuff out of sight if I can.
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EDIT: The usual warning: I am not responsible for any damage done to your device. If using ANY of these guides, you're doing so at your own risk.
That's about your only option at the moment. You can use the guide here, which will install the appropriate google services needed. You can then use this guide to manually 'uninstall' system/Amazon applications (you aren't really uninstalling them, just disabling them). Or use the automatic tool here, which will uninstall a significant number of the Amazon 'bloatware' and install the Google services and a few other Google related apps.
I CANNOT STRESS THIS NOTE ENOUGH: Whether you uninstall apps manually or automatically, please be aware you have to replace the Amazon apps BEFORE you uninstall them. For example, if you want to use contacts, you should install the necessary Google Contact APKs, open 'Contacts' then uninstall Amazon contacts. DO NOT UNINSTALL the Amazon Contact Storage APK or no contact applications will function properly, if at all. There is a guide here where you can install Google Contacts and get a fun little surprise as a result of doing so.
A factory reset will bring back all system apps you uninstall whether you uninstall them manually or automatically. So if anything stops working or you uninstall something that broke something else, factory resetting will fix the tablet, but you'll have to start over.
If you want to use a custom launcher like Nova Launcher, you can read this post which will describe how to do so. In this post I explain how to disable Fire Launcher without breaking the home button. Please read the WHOLE post, including the very bottom where there's a link that describes a 'fix' for the recent apps button (square button) which has a fit when you uninstall Fire Launcher (even on rooted devices). Just tap on 'hide Fire Launcher BEFORE' at the bottom which will take you to a page where you can activate widgets. Read the very bottom and it will tell you how to 'fix' the recent apps button. When you swipe closed apps using the recent apps button, swiping the last one will kick you to the lock screen or black you out for a moment. The fix is kinda cheesy, but it is a fix. I use it on my HD 8.
In this post I describe what Amazon apps I did NOT uninstall. Note this list of apps will differ slightly from the ones installed on the HD 7, but not by very much. This list MIGHT allow you to use Gmail (which doesn't work on any tablet model) and a few other apps.
Very soon, I plan to make a thread with a detailed tutorial on how to do all of this, so it's in one single spot for everyone to find.
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For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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Thanks Davey, yeah I'm not ultimately looking for a rooted device, I just want a clean Nexus'like rom with no bloated crap on it. As a plan-B I will follow the other guide notes that DragonFire kindly provided. But primarily if you are still staying I can get Flashfire to install a custom Nexus rom, then please can you guide me to the appropriate instructions to make Flashfire come to life.
I have Flashfire installed...but it just warns there are no permissions etc.
Thanks
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Thanks Davey, yeah I'm not ultimately looking for a rooted device, I just want a clean Nexus'like rom with no bloated crap on it. As a plan-B I will follow the other guide notes that DragonFire kindly provided. But primarily if you are still staying I can get Flashfire to install a custom Nexus rom, then please can you guide me to the appropriate instructions to make Flashfire come to life.
I have Flashfire installed...but it just warns there are no permissions etc.
Thanks
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A custom ROM (ie: Nexus) can not be installed on this device without root. I do not foresee that happening anytime soon with the so you're stuck with FireOS for a bit. It's not a bad skin once you get used to it.
@DragonFire1024 provided a nice summary of the available tweaks and associated caveats. I suggest going slow; start with the Google Play Store and some light visual customizations. Save the all-or-nothing 'debloat script' until have have a better idea of what to keep.
Most importantly, enjoy your new device and don't fret over what could have been.
This list MIGHT allow you to use Gmail (which doesn't work on any tablet model) and a few other apps.
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Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
Davey126 said:
For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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I did not know that. If that's the case, as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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You're lucky then. Many users have had issues with Gmail either force closing or not working at all. Hope the rest was somewhat helpful.
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Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
I did not know that. If that's the case, as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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*IF* it becomes available. I've had my tablets almost a year, maybe a months or so under one. That's how long I've been waiting. Some have been waiting longer.
Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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Initially and for many months after the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
Initially (and for many months after) the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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I read somewhere where quite a few people had put a bug report in or something to that effect. A few days later there was an update to Gmail. That's about the time I installed it and it worked perfectly for me. I'm willing to bet Google did something that that made it possible to use again. Did Amazon do something to block is from using it? In my opinion, not likely. But what caused it? Not a clue. There is some speculation it had to do to with a permission, but that's only speculation. This is something we'll likely never get the answer to.
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Jake1702_ said:
... as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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Don't get your hopes up. There's a reason securing root on Amazon and other manufacturer devices has become more difficult over the past 12-18 months. While I appreciate the euphemistic optimism shown by some the tightened security and legacy code cleanup initiated by Google is actually a good thing for the general Android user community. Of course, XDAers hate it (spare me the sermon on someone controlling *your* device) but they don't represent the much larger community that Amazon and other market driven companies are targeting. Business/capatolism 101.
Davey126 said:
Initially and for many months after the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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Might just have been the perfect period of time during when I had mine sitting and not being used. Guess I'm just lucky.
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Don't get your hopes up. There's a reason securing root on Amazon and other manufacturer devices has become more difficult over the past 12-18 months. While I appreciate the euphemistic optimism shown by some the tightened security and legacy code cleanup initiated by Google is actually a good thing for the general Android user community. Of course, XDAers hate it (spare me the sermon on someone controlling *your* device) but they don't represent the much larger community that Amazon and other market driven companies are targeting. Business/capatolism 101.
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It is definitely possible, just not enough people spending time on this device, they are all focused on more popular brands/devices.
Jake1702_ said:
Might just have been the perfect period of time during when I had mine sitting and not being used. Guess I'm just lucky.
It is definitely possible, just not enough people spending time on this device, they are all focused on more popular brands/devices.
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This I will actually agree with. But to be honest, I really thought we'd have a good chance after Prime Day. I really thought we'd have gotten it then, but I still have hopes.
That being said, the tricks and hacks we've discovered over the last few months are pretty amazing. The method of 'uninstalling' I mentioned a few posts ago, was never intended nor expected to work on these tablets. It had sat on XDA for a couple days before I literally said out loud: "oh what the hell. I can't break anything." So gave it a shot and was incredibly surprised to see it really did disable Amazon Video.
With the tricks and hacks I also mentioned a few posts back, really does go a long way in terms of a custom ROM. Aside from the technical aspects and apps, in my opinion it's pretty much a custom systemless ROM. Though some may disagree with me very much.
Feel free to ask any question you like. We'll do our best to help.
DragonFire1024 said:
This I will actually agree with. But to be honest, I really thought we'd have a good chance after Prime Day. I really thought we'd have gotten it then, but I still have hopes.
That being said, the tricks and hacks we've discovered over the last few months are pretty amazing. The method of 'uninstalling' I mentioned a few posts ago, was never intended nor expected to work on these tablets. It had sat on XDA for a couple days before I literally said out loud: "oh what the hell. I can't break anything." So gave it a shot and was incredibly surprised to see it really did disable Amazon Video.
With the tricks and hacks I also mentioned a few posts back, really does go a long way in terms of a custom ROM. Aside from the technical aspects and apps, in my opinion it's pretty much a custom systemless ROM. Though some may disagree with me very much.
Feel free to ask any question you like. We'll do our best to help.
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Funny how for months now this device still hasn't been rooted, yet a few days after the release of the Samsung Galaxy S8, it was already rooted. Simply, those devices have much more people willing to take time to find exploits for, whereas the Fire does not. It's a shame really.
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Funny how for months now this device still hasn't been rooted, yet a few days after the release of the Samsung Galaxy S8, it was already rooted. Simply, those devices have much more people willing to take time to find exploits for, whereas the Fire does not. It's a shame really.
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There just may not be any at the moment. Amazon has done a lot to this OS, so much so, I've seen posts where users don't even consider it an Android base anymore. Depending on what you read, I've seen other sites where some say its too butchered.
Also keep in mind when an exploit is found, some have been around for a very long time. So one may exist, but no one has either found it yet so no method exists or as you say, may not care enough to take the time to make a method. Every Android device is different. The OS is customized and programed to a manufacturers liking who also add their own customization, then is passed off to a service provider who further customizes it. In that period exploits are patched or simply don't work because what's exploited in certain devices, may not exist in other devices. The list and possibilities really could go on.
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There just may not be any at the moment. Amazon has done a lot to this OS, so much so, I've seen posts where users don't even consider it an Android base anymore. Depending on what you read, I've seen other sites where some say its too butchered.
Also keep in mind when an exploit is found, some have been around for a very long time. So one may exist, but no one has either found it yet so no method exists or as you say, may not care enough to take the time to make a method. Every Android device is different. The OS is customized and programed to a manufacturers liking who also add their own customization, then is passed off to a service provider who further customizes it. In that period exploits are patched or simply don't work because what's exploited in certain devices, may not exist in other devices. The list and possibilities really could go on.
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I wonder if it would be possible "break" the bootloader, so-to-speak, to a point where it "works" but is flawed, allowing the installation of a custom ROM.
Jake1702_ said:
I wonder if it would be possible "break" the bootloader, so-to-speak, to a point where it "works" but is flawed, allowing the installation of a custom ROM.
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Not likely. I have a list of things to try on my head. Some simple, some outrageous. Truth is this HD 8 has been through hell. I've reset it more times than I can count. I've nearly disected it and to be honest I'm absolutely amazed I haven't broken it yet. So I'm giving her a break from that right now.
With that said, I have an HD 7 that's rooted. I have an idea to try some things using it, that could work on non rooted 7 and up tablets, that would be totally systemless that could open up the possibilities to some things. I've been disecting the HD 7 for some ideas and plan to do some testing very soon. I'm the type that will immediately look at all settings and functions and then look through every file, folder and directory I'm able to, so we can do what many of us have already achieved. Keep an eye on me
DragonFire1024 said:
Not likely. I have a list of things to try on my head. Some simple, some outrageous. Truth is this HD 8 has been through hell. I've reset it more times than I can count. I've nearly disected it and to be honest I'm absolutely amazed I haven't broken it yet. So I'm giving her a break from that right now.
With that said, I have an HD 7 that's rooted. I have an idea to try some things using it, that could work on non rooted 7 and up tablets, that would be totally systemless that could open up the possibilities to some things. I've been disecting the HD 7 for some ideas and plan to do some testing very soon. I'm the type that will immediately look at all settings and functions and then look through every file, folder and directory I'm able to, so we can do what many of us have already achieved. Keep an eye on me
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If someone were to go so deep to a point where they took it apart, maybe it would be possible to modify the bootloader by setting up a custom one.
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