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important question

on the specs, it says GS1 has 512mb of RAM. I know android OS takes space phone it self blah blah so we only get to use 3xx mb of RAM. but then usually half (if not more) of the 3xx mb of RAM is already filled!
before, (back in eclair & froyo days) android 2.3 will allow us to utilize ALL 512mb but ****, now even more RAM is in use..
also
someone told me Nexus S who has exact same specs as GS, can use ALL 512mb...
so is there a way to use all 512mb of RAM? or at least more than 329mb?

joonair said:
on the specs, it says GS1 has 512mb of RAM. I know android OS takes space phone it self blah blah so we only get to use 3xx mb of RAM. but then usually half (if not more) of the 3xx mb of RAM is already filled!
before, (back in eclair & froyo days) android 2.3 will allow us to utilize ALL 512mb but ****, now even more RAM is in use..
also
someone told me Nexus S who has exact same specs as GS, can use ALL 512mb...
so is there a way to use all 512mb of RAM? or at least more than 329mb?
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You do use all the RAM, Android users shouldn't be worried about RAM as it is good to be used... Now Samsung's excuse for updating the GS1 to ICS is bull. but the reason you get 329 MB of RAM is because that 183 MB of RAM is for the system and cannot be given to the user. There are some kernels that offer like 344 MB of RAM(for Froyo), but that is it. No more, no less. Can't change it! Sorry bud.
Edit- we always are utilizing all 512 MB of RAM always. And when half of it is filled, that is always going to be there if the phone is turned on as some none system apps and system apps cannot be closed and are needed for the device to function.

I just recently got myself a Samsung Infuse, really like the phone. One thing that really bugs me is that it appears to be the same as my captivate in terms of RAM and ROM space, yet on my Infuse i get access to 452MB RAM yet on my captivate as stated we only get access to 329MB or 344MB.
Why such the huge difference?

[Q] is there really 2 gb of memory in this phone?

Hi,
I'm a bit surprised that if I add free memory and used memory from the Settings app the total is about 1.7 gb. Ain't we supposed to get 2gb? I hope sony didn't do the hdd trick (see wikipedia page on Kibibyte, I cannot post link as a junior member) and even so 2000000/1048576 = 1.907 ... where's my ram?

Under CPU-Z that show : 1.732Mb.

Your OS doesn't need RAM to function right?

Dsteppa said:
Your OS doesn't need RAM to function right?
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yes it does but I thought it will be included in the "used memory"... if the OS takes 300 mb that's ok but why I only got 900 mb free when I kill all apps? I used to have a nexus 4 and with the same amount of memory on chip there was a *LOT* more available in the settings menu.

Geolm said:
yes it does but I thought it will be included in the "used memory"... if the OS takes 300 mb that's ok but why I only got 900 mb free when I kill all apps? I used to have a nexus 4 and with the same amount of memory on chip there was a *LOT* more available in the settings menu.
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That 900MB figure is about the same I normally have free. Various apps and services take up about 800MB on my phone, which seems excessive but I've turned off all background stuff that I can (some Google and Xperia services just won't go away, however). The only good news is that Android will free up memory if it's needed so that 900MB is not a finite figure (at least that's what I assume).

Hmm. I generally have no more than about 300 mb free memory at any given moment. Even just a few minutes after reboot. No weird apps or excessive widgets. Do you guys really have 900 mb free? You can check your memory on the fly using Cool Tool from Google Play.

The Z3C has 2GB of RAM, don't worry. What you are missing is used by shared graphics memory. BTW: This is exactly the reason why the Z3 has 3GB of memory (instead of 2GB) for its screen resolution is full HD opposed to "only" HD on the Z3C.
Anyhow, is it really necessary to start another thread on the same topic if there already is one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/ram-2gb-1-69gb-t2941487

sxtester said:
The Z3C has 2GB of RAM, don't worry. What you are missing is used by shared graphics memory. BTW: This is exactly the reason why the Z3 has 3GB of memory (instead of 2GB) for its screen resolution is full HD opposed to "only" HD on the Z3C.
Anyhow, is it really necessary to start another thread on the same topic if there already is one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/ram-2gb-1-69gb-t2941487
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I have never had any doubts about the two gigs. But how much free memory do you have on your Z3C after a reboot and after a few hours of typical usage? My other phones with this much ram have generally had a lot more memory available at any given moment. Not that *free* memory is of any particular use in android, but I'm still curious to see whether your Z3C's are the same.

Fruktsallad said:
I have never had any doubts about the two gigs. But how much free memory do you have on your Z3C after a reboot and after a few hours of typical usage? My other phones with this much ram have generally had a lot more memory available at any given moment. Not that *free* memory is of any particular use in android, but I'm still curious to see whether your Z3C's are the same.
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When I boot up the phone and immediatly check it shows some 800MB of free memory. About 500 to 600MB after a couple of days, fluctuating though. However, don't think these numbers have any meaning for Android keeps as much in memory as possible in order to increase responsiveness. It also depends on the Apps installed and the bloat disabled/blocked. Further, comparing it to other phones you had earlier might also be misleading since the version of Android could be a different one, hence comparing apples to apples would just not be possible.

Rom with less RAM usage

Hi
The title says all, what is the Rom with less system RAM usage?
Thanks

I would say Minimal OS

Spieletips said:
I would say Minimal OS
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Thanks, how about turbo 5.0?

maximuns said:
Thanks, how about turbo 5.0?
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It has many mods preinstalled so it should be bigger.
288mb is used from System alone in my Turbo 5.0 Build

Spieletips said:
It has many mods preinstalled so it should be bigger.
288mb is used from System alone in my Turbo 5.0 Build
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Ok, and minimal os how much?

Go for Exodus 6.0.1. I am getting around 300mb free most of the time. no xposed, with greenify....

Aciong.Aksaya said:
Go for Exodus 6.0.1. I am getting around 300mb free most of the time. no xposed, with greenify....
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I am now on mokee 7.1 and have always almost 400mb free

Just stay away from Turbo ROM, I'm using it right now. (Not sure if it's an Android 6.1 Issue or just from Turbo ROM) Right now at this moment of writing my system is taking 484MB of RAM and my apps 230MB leaving me with 178MB free. Rebooting the phone fixes the issue for some time. (I'm not using Xposed nor anything similar, just Greenify).
Anybody from here knows if Android 7.1 requires more RAM than 6.1? Is it worth (or even possible) to downgrade our phone to Kitkat to get that extra RAM boost? Or is it better to stick arround with Lolipop+ ROMs?

maximuns said:
I am now on mokee 7.1 and have always almost 400mb free
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Good for you.

rhp07 said:
Just stay away from Turbo ROM, I'm using it right now. (Not sure if it's an Android 6.1 Issue or just from Turbo ROM) Right now at this moment of writing my system is taking 484MB of RAM and my apps 230MB leaving me with 178MB free. Rebooting the phone fixes the issue for some time. (I'm not using Xposed nor anything similar, just Greenify).
Anybody from here knows if Android 7.1 requires more RAM than 6.1? Is it worth (or even possible) to downgrade our phone to Kitkat to get that extra RAM boost? Or is it better to stick arround with Lolipop+ ROMs?
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I'm on turbo ROM 4.0 and atm I've got 280 mb free RAM and that's what I have most of the time. Free RAM is unused RAM, I think you know that? Don't install all that facebook and messenger stuff and you will have always enough headroom to handle your device properly.
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Lexodus rom 5.0.2

The awesomeness of Turbo ROM.. I really hope that not all of the ROMs are like that..
P.D: This cannot be normal.. (Look at the second picture).. Android system is taking 700MB+!! Wtf??.. I don't have Facebook, nor any custom hacks.. Is this normal? Seriously?... Is there any ROM that works normal? Sometimes I would really like to smash this phone against the floor..

rhp07 said:
The awesomeness of Turbo ROM.. I really hope that not all of the ROMs are like that..
P.D: This cannot be normal.. (Look at the second picture).. Android system is taking 700MB+!! Wtf??.. I don't have Facebook, nor any custom hacks.. Is this normal? Seriously?... Is there any ROM that works normal? Sometimes I would really like to smash this phone against the floor..
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Android system is taking 700+mb?
That's what your whole phone takes.
I'm on turbo 4.0 official and system is using 205mb. If you have s phone with only 1gb ram (885 free) you can't expect wonders. More RAM would solve this problems.
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Wolfcity said:
Android system is taking 700+mb?
That's what your whole phone takes.
I'm on turbo 4.0 official and system is using 205mb. If you have s phone with only 1gb ram (885 free) you can't expect wonders. More RAM would solve this problems.
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Yes, you are right I took the picture in the wrong place. I just noticed that on my phone (Turbo Rom 5.0) my system is taking at least half of the phone available RAM for the system ONLY. I't usually between 450 to 580 MB. When I took the previous picture I thought that the System RAM usage rose to 700 (It looks the same). But I still believe that having the system taking half or more of RAM available must be wrong anyway (Look at he picture in this post).
Anybody can give some suggestions how to reduce System RAM usage? Or is it ROM dependent? (I'm not using any mods like Xposed nor other UI Mods)

Wolfcity said:
Android system is taking 700+mb?
That's what your whole phone takes.
I'm on turbo 4.0 official and system is using 205mb. If you have s phone with only 1gb ram (885 free) you can't expect wonders. More RAM would solve this problems.
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maximuns said:
I am now on mokee 7.1 and have always almost 400mb free
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I just installed Mokee 7.1, let it settle down a bit and right now my System is taking about 450 MB.. How can you have 400 MB free?
Anybody can tell how much the System in Minimal OS is taking?

rhp07 said:
I just installed Mokee 7.1, let it settle down a bit and right now my System is taking about 450 MB.. How can you have 400 MB free?
Anybody can tell how much the System in Minimal OS is taking?
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You have 348 MB free, I used to have 370/380 MB free which is ALMOST 400 MB.
I said ALMOST, not exactly
But my system didn't take as much ram as yours. I had those 380 free but with more apps

RAM management

My only criticism with the N8 is RAM management. I moved from the Xperia XZ with 3GB of RAM and purposefully went for a device with 6GB because of reloads. Yet my N8 reloads the sites and apps in question every bit as much. I read that he N8 had much better RAM management with Nougat, is this so?*

My N950F 128 GB model almost never reloads, it only reloads when I execute device maintainance, which clears ram and all cached non essential stuff

I'm on Nougat and mine reloads after opening just two other apps briefly, or one app when using it extensively. Having 6 GB of RAM has had no improvement in this regard over the phones I've had with 2 gb of RAM.
I wish we could dedicate a certain amount of RAM to a few of our most used apps.

I never understood how the phone could use nearly 3.5 gigs of ram for background processes.

It would appear that there is no benefit when using a phone with 6GB versus a phone with 3 or 4GB. What a shame. A massive waste of multitasking possibilities.

You guys do realize free ram is wasted ram on android....
Since android 5.0 Ram management has gotten so much better..So what if you only have say 1 gb free Thats a good thing you are utilizing what you got...Nothing beats a good reboot once every couple days clear it out.Ram managers are a waste of battery...

https://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Good article on RAM and what's stored and used in it.

TheMadScientist said:
You guys do realize free ram is wasted ram on android....
Since android 5.0 Ram management has gotten so much better..So what if you only have say 1 gb free Thats a good thing you are utilizing what you got...Nothing beats a good reboot once every couple days clear it out.Ram managers are a waste of battery...
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That doesn't explain why my 6GB N8 reloads just as badly as my 3GB Xperia XZ. It holds hardly anything in memory before reloading/refreshing. I love the phone but specifically got it for the RAM which in my experience is kinda for show. It doesn't improve anything.

Well, I agree with you being so upset about YOUR particular note 8 behaving as a 3 gb ram device or worse, but my device reloads only sometimes, not all the time, I usually have some 800-1000 mb of free ram, in device maintainance I have some 60 apps unmonitored and 194 to always sleeping untill I run them

Use eternal process lock.. Its an xposed module.. It will lock the app and it will not be killed.

winol said:
Well, I agree with you being so upset about YOUR particular note 8 behaving as a 3 gb ram device or worse, but my device reloads only sometimes, not all the time, I usually have some 800-1000 mb of free ram, in device maintainance I have some 60 apps unmonitored and 194 to always sleeping untill I run them
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It doesn't reload all the time, it just reloads the same apps with the same frequency that my Xperia XZ did. It must be down to Android ram management rather than the amount of RAM itself.

Question New weekly changes on latest 21.7.21 CN/Xiaomi.eu Rom

Have you guys tried the new SWAP on WEEKLY 21.7.21 rom?
It supposed to decrease 5º celsius under load and decrease throttling and battery consumption.
CHANGELOG
System
New - Xiaomi.eu recovery ROM for Mi 11 Lite 5G (renoir)
New - Enabled "Memory extension (SWAP)" feature [Snapdragon 888/870/865 devices]
System launcher
Fix - Uninstalling apps using drag-and-drop was not working in drawer mode
EDIT: from what i gather it's supposed to increase your RAM by creating Virtual RAM using your UFS3.1 Storage, also decrease/use around 3gb of storage space like windows pagefile.

xwonic said:
Have you guys tried the new SWAP on WEEKLY 21.7.21 rom?
It supposed to decrease 5º celsius under load and decrease throttling and battery consumption.
CHANGELOG
System
New - Xiaomi.eu recovery ROM for Mi 11 Lite 5G (renoir)
New - Enabled "Memory extension (SWAP)" feature [Snapdragon 888/870/865 devices]
System launcher
Fix - Uninstalling apps using drag-and-drop was not working in drawer mode
EDIT: from what i gather it's supposed to increase your RAM by creating Virtual RAM using your UFS3.1 Storage, also decrease/use around 3gb of storage space like windows pagefile.
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It actually does not increase your ram and is only used if you are out of ram, Considering the vast majority of phones have anywhere from 6GB - 12GB ram and the average user in all actuality uses no more than four, this is just a useless gimmick that will take up space on your sd card/internal storage and won't give you any performance boost whatsoever.
Back in the day, when phones only had 1-3GB ram, we would root our phones and use these swap files to help with opening files and running apps, but that isn't necessary in today's smartphone world.

jim262 said:
It actually does not increase your ram and is only used if you are out of ram, Considering the vast majority of phones have anywhere from 6GB - 12GB ram and the average user in all actuality uses no more than four, this is just a useless gimmick that will take up space on your sd card/internal storage and won't give you any performance boost whatsoever.
Back in the day, when phones only had 1-3GB ram, we would root our phones and use these swap files to help with opening files and running apps, but that isn't necessary in today's smartphone world.
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I dont think so cause its only for snap 865 870 and 888 and all smartphone with these cpu have 6gb+

xwonic said:
I dont think so cause its only for snap 865 870 and 888 and all smartphone with these cpu have 6gb+
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Its built in to all MIUI, but only benefits phones with four or less GB of ram. Let me ask you, your phone has 12GB or ram and the average user only uses 4GB ram, how is this going to benefit you in any way?
How Much RAM Does a Smartphone Need?
Every smartphone needs memory, but just how much RAM does a smartphone actually need to work properly?
www.makeuseof.com

jim262 said:
Its built in to all MIUI, but only benefits phones with four or less GB of ram. Let me ask you, your phone has 12GB or ram and the average user only uses 4GB ram, how is this going to benefit you in any way?
How Much RAM Does a Smartphone Need?
Every smartphone needs memory, but just how much RAM does a smartphone actually need to work properly?
www.makeuseof.com
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You need to understand how it works. It merely creates a swap file on your internal storage and with the amount of ram flagship phones have (the Mi 11 Ultra has 12GB), it will never, ever be used, but it will take up space on your internal storage, that you could use for other more important things, like pictures, videos, music, games, etc...

Well definitely is not a feature for flagships,

xNAPx said:
Well definitely is not a feature for flagships,
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Not a feature for any phone with greater than 4GB ram.

Indeed