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Hello, iam a Xperia-Z (C6603) User for a week or two and am now looking forward to a
Nice and clean custom-Rom without any bloatware which I hate(ultimate music Sony select,sonysocialfoo and Facebook and alike)
and I guess cm11nightly would fulfill my needs, as i would also really love a smartphone without gapps.
FIrst I thought it would basically be a decision between the to be flashed ROM but now
I read about the bravia-engine getting lost forever which would really suck, is this still
State-of-the-art? Or is there an Option to get it back, as far as I know the BE is basically still there but licensed over a key like the mpeg2-codec on the raspberry-Pi isn't there a possibility to back it up and still be able to use it when you revert back to stock for example?
You're in charge now, what do you suggest me? Iam still on 4.2.2 and would like to get everything up-to-date soon. Btw. I would want a Rom that is of the same color as stock 4.2.2 so basically black, a white theme would be hard to look at in dark conditions even when turned down to lowest brightness.
So to sum it up: NO bloatware (must), NO gapps(nicetohave), black theme like 4.2.2(must), still BEngine(nicetohave)
Btw. How's the image-quality with custom-Roms? It shouldn't get worse than it is in 4.2.2 stock if possible!
Thanks! :good::highfive:
luluchambler said:
Hello, iam a Xperia-Z (C6603) User for a week or two and am now looking forward to a
Nice and clean custom-Rom without any bloatware which I hate(ultimate music Sony select,sonysocialfoo and Facebook and alike)
and I guess cm11nightly would fulfill my needs, as i would also really love a smartphone without gapps.
FIrst I thought it would basically be a decision between the to be flashed ROM but now
I read about the bravia-engine getting lost forever which would really suck, is this still
State-of-the-art? Or is there an Option to get it back, as far as I know the BE is basically still there but licensed over a key like the mpeg2-codec on the raspberry-Pi isn't there a possibility to back it up and still be able to use it when you revert back to stock for example?
You're in charge now, what do you suggest me? Iam still on 4.2.2 and would like to get everything up-to-date soon. Btw. I would want a Rom that is of the same color as stock 4.2.2 so basically black, a white theme would be hard to look at in dark conditions even when turned down to lowest brightness.
So to sum it up: NO bloatware (must), NO gapps(nicetohave), black theme like 4.2.2(must), still BEngine(nicetohave)
Btw. How's the image-quality with custom-Roms? It shouldn't get worse than it is in 4.2.2 stock if possible!
Thanks! :good::highfive:
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I would recommend Cyanogen Mod to most people. Honestly I can't live without the features these days!
Regarding the consequences.. Well there aren't really any.. Kinda.. You may or may not lose your warranty based on how stingy Sony are feeling at the time. Most of the BRICK warnings are just to cover developers if someone does something wrong or if your phone just so happens to die of something completely unrelated while installing the rom.
I would recommend trawling this forum for at least and hour or two just reading the various guides; How to backup your phone, How to unlock the bootloader and, most importantly, how to backup your TA partition.
It's quite a pain free process. It's just better to be aware of what could go wrong, so you are prepared and can easily apply the fix before panicking and messing something up
Good luck and happy trawling!
You only have to learn these things once. Once your rooted, unlocked and running a custom rom updating is easier than sonys
Hi, thank you for your reply.
I just looked up what exactly the "TA-Partition" is and i guess the only thing that was worrying me (loosing Bravia) is not up-to-date anymore
So lets get started, i looked up what i need to backup the "TA-Partition" and if i understood everything its basically having a rooted Xperia-Z and a double-click on a .bat-file?
So i guess the best would to not upgrade any of the shown OTA-Updates by Sony, and root the 4.2.2-Stock ROM that is on the device right now?
As far as i know rooting 4.2.2 isn't really a problem right now, agreed?
So after sucessfully rooting the Sony Xperia-Z its just backing up the "TA-Par tition" with "TA-Backup"-Script?
After that, its unlocking the Boot-loader over the Sony-Website (IMEI, Name, Email....) so that they send you the Unlock-Code, after that you'll have to use fastboot to finally unlock it?
(If i check the Service Menu "Rooting Status": there is nothing behind it, but the bootloader-unlock allowed: says yes, so no problem right?)
After that you most likely are done for the moment, until you decide if it should be CM10.1Stable or CM11Nightly, rig
How's the status of CM11 right now, any known major bugs?
Thank you already for your help :good:
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Hi, thank you for your reply.
I just looked up what exactly the "TA-Partition" is and i guess the only thing that was worrying me (loosing Bravia) is not up-to-date anymore
So lets get started, i looked up what i need to backup the "TA-Partition" and if i understood everything its basically having a rooted Xperia-Z and a double-click on a .bat-file?
So i guess the best would to not upgrade any of the shown OTA-Updates by Sony, and root the 4.2.2-Stock ROM that is on the device right now?
As far as i know rooting 4.2.2 isn't really a problem right now, agreed?
So after sucessfully rooting the Sony Xperia-Z its just backing up the "TA-Par tition" with "TA-Backup"-Script?
After that, its unlocking the Boot-loader over the Sony-Website (IMEI, Name, Email....) so that they send you the Unlock-Code, after that you'll have to use fastboot to finally unlock it?
(If i check the Service Menu "Rooting Status": there is nothing behind it, but the bootloader-unlock allowed: says yes, so no problem right?)
After that you most likely are done for the moment, until you decide if it should be CM10.1Stable or CM11Nightly, rig
How's the status of CM11 right now, any known major bugs?
Thank you already for your help :good:
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I've been using Cyanogenmod 11 nighties for months now, no obvious bugs
Some features aren't implemented yet and the occasional feature is broken.. Nothing really integral to the phone though
You've pretty much got the method down! Just ensure you use a root method for your sony firmware version (Android version). It should use some form of "Exploit" to avoid deleting the TA-Partition. Honestly I backed mine up and haven't ever wanted to restore it, the features are more of a gimmick than anything useful
Enjoy
A few more questions! (Iam sorry )
So as far as i can see, my smartphone is running "10.3.1.A.0.244" which is regarding to the post by DooMLord not exploitable.
I therefore have to flash the "10.3.A.0.423"-Kernel-Only so that the previously used exploit works again.
After that i'll have to restore the Kernel that was previously on the Smartphone therefore "10.3.1.A.0.244"
After that root should stay in intact, but what about the TA-Partion? Is it somehow affected by this?
Secound Question, is it crucial to have an micro-sdhc inserted to sucessfully flash CM11 onto the Xperia Z after backing up TA, or is it possible without?
And the Image-Quality (taking Pictures) should be kinda worse on CM11 than it is with Sony's Stock Firmware, is it possible to include(myself) the propritary firmware.blobs for the Camera as we do it with gapps, or will i have to live with the reduced image Quality?
Thanks!
So I'm currently on 205 Deodexed by Dipesh and I'm using the locked bootloader version. Things are working okay, but occasionally I get a 'screen dimming lock up' sometimes and poor chrome performance. Also, the recoveries are feeling a bit glitchy. I could just stick with it or try a new fresh install.
I'm not sure whether to unlock my bootloader and try a 4.4 ROM or another stock based one. The reason why I haven't unlocked already is because I'm worried about keeping my warranty on the phone, I've only had the phone for a few months really and I don't want it to be unlocked if I need to get it warranty repaired.
I could wait for a next update which probably won't be KitKat but it would be nice. Don't really know what future updates we will get.
I just want my phone to work properly without any issues / as stable as it can possibly be. I dont really use xposed, just root and titanium backup and a few other root apps.I also wanna keep the Sony features like the LED notifications/ U-disco, and Bravia engine.
What would you guys recommend I do?
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Stay locked and try CM11 or nexusPA LB kitkat roms.
You can unlock and keep warranty you just need to make sure you back up your TA partition, see the various guides on this. Unlocking would give you access to alternative Kernels like Williams with recoveries built in which is handy but these ROM's are fine without this.
I'd recommend you backup TA, make sure you have got it right (there is no way to restore TA without a backup, once you unlock it is lost forever; there is, however, a way to get Bravia Engine without TA, but it's better not to risk it), and unlock and try other kernels and ROMs until you find one that suits you best.
I have found CM11 to perform no better than stock .205.
I also feel that Firefox performs much better than Chrome (at the expense of a slightly higher RAM usage), in a few different devices, so you might want to try it out before flashing a new ROM.
I don't have the time to constantly be looking for new roms to make my phone run properly. My phone is always freezing up due to the stupid Touchwiz UI and I absolutely hate it. I am sick and tired of my phone freezing up and lagging constantly and having to do factory reset and reinstalling all my apps fresh.
So I was wondering, what can I do to fix this problem in a easier manner? I was thinking about rooting the phone, saving all my app data, unrooting, resetting the phone, rooting again, uninstall bloatware, reinstalling apps with their data, and unrooting.
Here are my concerns though. I want to be able to reset the phone using the orignal factory reset. I don't have time or care to install new roms on my phone as I want to keep my warranty and I want to be able to sell my phone in the future.
So what are my options here? What can I do and what are my steps to start doing them?
I am on AT&T Note 3 with kitkat 4.4.2 with my build number ending in NC2.
Is the Note 3 development this bad? Not one response in a couple days. Anyone have a simple answer?
I just want to know if I can factory reset if I root my device and how I could complete unroot.
joshlete said:
Is the Note 3 development this bad? Not one response in a couple days. Anyone have a simple answer?
I just want to know if I can factory reset if I root my device and how I could complete unroot.
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Simple answer is root with towelroot, and when you want to do a complete factory reset, flash stock NC2 using the guide in this thread.
I think your original question about what options you have is a little more complicated...rooting your phone technically voids your warranty, but if you're referring to the KNOX warranty flag then towelroot doesn't trip that flag. Reflashing stock NC2 with Odin will unroot your phone automatically so no worries there either. What I'm getting at is flashing roms isn't going to void your warranty any more than rooting with towelroot will, on the other hand uninstalling system apps can cause lots of problems, so you may find it easier to flash a near-stock rom that has the bloatware already removed.
But if you're set on not flashing anything, then I'd suggest using titanium backup to freeze any apps you don't want instead of uninstalling them. If you uninstall the wrong app you could end up having to do a factory reset anyway just to get your phone working again. Freezing system apps can cause problems too but it's generally easier to unfreeze an app than try and find and reinstall a system apk. And as tempting as it is don't uninstall My Magazine you'll get FC all over the place and your email won't work properly
So if I install that stock rom, would I be able to update my phone using the internal updater? I just want to be able to install Android 5.0 when/if it comes out for the Note 3. Seeing how AT&T note 3 has little to no roms to install. Very disappointing.
The Odin files in that thread are for stock NC2 and unless you flashed a rom after your second post you're still on stock...it's the exact same AT&T stock build...flashing it won't really benefit you at all unless you rooted and made changes to your system. I assume by internal updater you mean the OTA updates that get pushed out from AT&T then yes since that is the official AT&T build if you flash it you will still get those updates provided AT&T is your carrier. There may not be a lot of roms but the ones we have are great I'd encourage you to try one or two there are a couple "debloated" stock roms I think would give you what you're looking for in terms of stability but of course it's up to you if you just want to stay stock
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So if I install that stock rom, would I be able to update my phone using the internal updater? I just want to be able to install Android 5.0 when/if it comes out for the Note 3. Seeing how AT&T note 3 has little to no roms to install. Very disappointing.
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Wow... just... wow.
This POST is disappointing.
I'm on the same boat as you OP. When time comes for a new phone, my next phone will never be another Samsung phone again. I will only consider phones that are close to stock. Most likely Motorola X or Sony Z3 Compact or similar.
TouchWiz is so disappointing. It's slow and creates lags even for just checking what time it is.
Fortunately I have some time so unlike OP, I tried debloating stock rom, tried at least 5 custom roms. Most of the custom roms have either too much theme customization (really not my taste) or something else doesn't work (NFC payment or deep sleep or some other thing). And they all claim super duper fast and rock stable, but those are hyperboles. The only time I experienced one rom being faster than the other was with Galaxy S5 port rom, but that was most likely due to the fact that standby mode is disabled because we have no way to update the firmware. In other words, uses more battery but still lasts a day. Also, I never seen the battery last exceptionally longer than the stock rom, so don't trust the super long lasting battery claims.
The easiest way to get your phone run smoothly is to factory reset it, and then only install select apps that you really need and know that it won't be a resource hog reporting your every move.
Oh, and last year's Moto X (dual core) feels faster than a quad core Note3 for everyday task in my hands. I wish we had a google experience rom for n900a.
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The Odin files in that thread are for stock NC2 and unless you flashed a rom after your second post you're still on stock...it's the exact same AT&T stock build...flashing it won't really benefit you at all unless you rooted and made changes to your system. I assume by internal updater you mean the OTA updates that get pushed out from AT&T then yes since that is the official AT&T build if you flash it you will still get those updates provided AT&T is your carrier. There may not be a lot of roms but the ones we have are great I'd encourage you to try one or two there are a couple "debloated" stock roms I think would give you what you're looking for in terms of stability but of course it's up to you if you just want to stay stock
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Could you link me to some stock roms? I lost my game in rom finding and can't seem to get a good running/looking rom.
RErick said:
Wow... just... wow.
This POST is disappointing.
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Most useless post of the year goes to......
joshlete said:
Could you link me to some stock roms? I lost my game in rom finding and can't seem to get a good running/looking rom.
Most useless post of the year goes to......
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UR Droid is probably the closest to stock...Knox removed, sd card write permissions fixed, etc. are the only mods...that said carl's made a ton of flashable zips too so if you did want to start making mods yourself chances are you won't have any problems while running his rom
FireKat is one you've probably run across. That is a stock rom all of the mods/optimizations/etc mega makes are from other stock builds. There's no theming or anything like that it's more like "TouchWiz optimized"...again nothing extraneous added if you want to add tethering, call recording, etc you'll have to do it yourself. FireKat is geared towards speed and battery life but it's rock solid with no known issues. All of the rom updates you see are for performance improvements as opposed to the majority of the aosp-hybrid or heavily themed roms where updates are for bug fixes.
Both devs are really helpful and responsive definitely check out their threads though since I'm not up to date with both roms. I have flashed both of them at some point and both are significant improvements over stock...of course no one can tell you what roms you'll like or should flash but I'd be pretty surprised if you have a better experience on stock than either of these roms.
I've been running a stock rooted 4.4.2 for months and it was not laggy at all.
In the application manager settings I turned off all bloatware apps that I did not use. I froze (with titanium backup) all bloatware that could not be turned off in settings and also froze anything that says "knox" in the title. I used xposed installer to install many modules that allowed me to tweak my stock rom... including greenify to auto hibernate apps, smart booster to manage ram, boot manager, and also Wanam xposed for ui customizing...
My phone has run extremely well.
I just made the jump to 4.4.4 and got it rooted (thanks to @muniz_ri and a few others).... exact same setup again... stock rooted... turn off and freeze un-needed apps... xposed modules... and again it is running nice and smooth.
I also use nova launcher prime because it feels more responsive and does more things that I want (like a home screen that will autorotate to landscape mode).
Wow, that's a lot to have for being stock .
The only way to get rid most of your concerns is to root your phone. Then you can delete all other useless apps that you don't need and slow your phone down a bit.
But installing a new Rom is the best way to have a peace in mind I think. Dynamic KitKat is one of the best roms for our phone. I've been using it for months and there is nothing I can say how much I like it. Sometimes I experience lag, but that is to be expected because of Android's ability to do multitasks.
Just my 2 cents.
So I've been out of the Android Phone loop for a while and was just wondering if there were any general tips or things to know about the Z3C? Any essential apps or features?
I've not updated to Marshmallow yet (running 5.1.1) and I don't really feel the need to, If I'm not mistaken it makes the root process a bit more fiddly, though the non-removable notification is somewhat annoying. Can it be turned off?
Quick question on root too, which I assume can only be achieved through unlocking the bootloader. Will it void my warranty with Sony? Given the issues with cracked screens and phones not really being waterproof, I'm not sure if it's actually worth doing.
I've got the Phone through Vodafone, is there anyway to remove the SIM lock myself?
I've been through the Stickies and whilst they contain useful information that'll surely come in handy later, the FAQ section is pretty limited, so I figured I'd ask here
Thanks in advance
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So I've been out of the Android Phone loop for a while and was just wondering if there were any general tips or things to know about the Z3C? Any essential apps or features?
I've not updated to Marshmallow yet (running 5.1.1) and I don't really feel the need to, If I'm not mistaken it makes the root process a bit more fiddly, though the non-removable notification is somewhat annoying. Can it be turned off?
Quick question on root too, which I assume can only be achieved through unlocking the bootloader. Will it void my warranty with Sony? Given the issues with cracked screens and phones not really being waterproof, I'm not sure if it's actually worth doing.
I've got the Phone through Vodafone, is there anyway to remove the SIM lock myself?
I've been through the Stickies and whilst they contain useful information that'll surely come in handy later, the FAQ section is pretty limited, so I figured I'd ask here
Thanks in advance
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You don't need to unlock the bootloader to be able to root your phone. A good place to start is the thread on how to back up your TA partition and rooting (don't be tempted by Kingroot)
Unless you want a custom CM rom I wouldn't bother trying to unlock your bootloader, it disables features on the phone, starting with breaking the camera.
This thread about going from a rooted phone back to stock is interesting. I'd say you don't need to root your phone, but it gets a lot more interesting when you do.
The top app for if you get root is Titanium Backup, it lets you control individual apps, 'freezing' them so they stop working, but not actually uninstalling them. Great for getting rid of all the bloatware that comes with phone providers (like Sim Lock), or even manufacturers. It also lets you back up an app and all the associated data that goes with it, so if you wipe you phone to change the rom, you can put all the apps back and the state they were in at the touch of a button. There's lots of other cool root apps, but TA is my favourite.
As long as you stick to stock then you can't go wrong, don't be afraid to play, there's plenty of people on the thread here to give you a hand.
SLIM 5 is a good stock 5.1.1 rom with lots of cool tweeks and doesn't mean you have to unlock your bootloader.
Edit: Rooting your phone doesn't void your warranty. But if you face any problems with your phone that means it's going back to the service centre, just put a stock build back on (no root) and do a factory reset. That way they cannot complain about the software config. They will do a factory reset anyway, before they send it back, along with an update to the latest rom. So be prepared and take everything off your phone beforehand.
Man, that's pretty much all the information I need in one post. Thanks a bunch man, I'll read through the links in some more detail.
I did see that Rooting guide earlier, but given how it mentioned using Flashtool and DRM Keys, I thought it'd surely void my warranty so didn't have a proper look.
SLIM also seems like a good shout, though I'm assuming I'd lose access to Sony's OTA updates if I were to flash it and there doesn't seem to be a Marshmallow version yet. Actually, that said, would I even have access to OTA updates if I stay stock but rooted?
Thanks again
UndisputedGuy said:
Man, that's pretty much all the information I need in one post. Thanks a bunch man, I'll read through the links in some more detail.
I did see that Rooting guide earlier, but given how it mentioned using Flashtool and DRM Keys, I thought it'd surely void my warranty so didn't have a proper look.
SLIM also seems like a good shout, though I'm assuming I'd lose access to Sony's OTA updates if I were to flash it and there doesn't seem to be a Marshmallow version yet. Actually, that said, would I even have access to OTA updates if I stay stock but rooted?
Thanks again
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Marshmallow has only been out a few weeks, so it's still full of bugs and problems at the moment. I would stick to 5.1.1. for at least another month, or until 6.1 reaches the Z3c.
No, if you install a custom rom then you wont get Sony OTA updates, but most rom developers base their builds on the latest firmware releases anyway, usually adopting a new release within one or two weeks.
Slim 5 is possibly the best stock Lollipop build there is and there will be no more updates for Lollopop now. There is a Slim MM build, but even though Wajk has been working his magic, it still has several bugs that need to be ironed out. If you are going down the MM route, don't be tempted by Concept or Beta, that need you to unlock your bootloader to root. Stick with a pre-rooted stock or a customised stock with root built in.
Appreciate the assistance, going to go ahead and root now and then perhaps try out SLIM 5. Some of the MEGA links seemed to be down so I just grabbed a Global FTF, couldn't seem to find an unbranded UK one.
I shouldn't have updated immediately once I got the phone
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Appreciate the assistance, going to go ahead and root now and then perhaps try out SLIM 5. Some of the MEGA links seemed to be down so I just grabbed a Global FTF, couldn't seem to find an unbranded UK one.
I shouldn't have updated immediately once I got the phone
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For the purposes of downgrading so you can root, it really doesn't matter which build you choose.
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For the purposes of downgrading so you can root, it really doesn't matter which build you choose.
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Just a quick question, at Step 26 could I just use SLIM 5? Seems much more convenient if that's the case.
Oh, and using OTA updates is going to lose me my root now, right?
UndisputedGuy said:
Just a quick question, at Step 26 could I just use SLIM 5? Seems much more convenient if that's the case.
Oh, and using OTA updates is going to lose me my root now, right?
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Yes, once you have recovery you can download Slim onto your phone and flash that. Don't forget to update SuperSU from the playstore.
No, you wont get any OTA updates with a custom stock, but Slim is up to date with the most recent Lollipop build.
Sony PC Companion will not update your phone either once you have a custom rom on. If you flash stock and then connect it, it will push MM onto it. But you will loose root and there's no easy way to get it working.
Stick with 5.1.1. for another month, wait for 6.1 to come out, and then possibly a couple of weeks after that Wajik will have made an incredible MM rom to flash, that will be as up to date as they come, then just flash that in exactly the same way.
Edit: Once you start to follow a developers thread, they announce updates to roms almost as quick as the Sony release, so don't worry that it will get out of date, just make sure to subscribe to the thread where your rom comes from. Slim 5 for example releases an OTA update, to move from 4.9 to 5, it's a lot smaller than the entire rom and only has updates, but flashes the same way.
Can only thank you again, successfully rooted and got recovery. Not sure how much I'm really fond of SLIM, just had a very brief mess around but something felt a bit off about the Launcher and the icons even after messing with the settings. It was only very brief though, perhaps there's more useful stuff there.
Might go simply stock/rooted but given there isn't a simple .zip for it it's a bit long winded
Thanks for all your help here, this is pretty much the ideal state I wanted my phone to be in upon receiving it, had no idea unlocking the bootloader wouldn't be necessary. Guys like you help make this site in my opinion, I half just expected a couple of snide answers telling me to just read the forum
Think I will be moving back to stock, just a question on the front though
Am I going to have to build my own pre rooted image (steps 27-32) each time there's an OTA update and I want rooted stock?
Sorry, hopefully that's the last thing from me
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UndisputedGuy said:
Think I will be moving back to stock, just a question on the front though
Am I going to have to build my own pre rooted image (steps 27-32) each time there's an OTA update and I want rooted stock?
Sorry, hopefully that's the last thing from me
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There are several 'stock' options, that are flashable zips
Pre-Rooted Firmwares-Recovery-SuperSU, although you need to click on 'older files'
Or another stock thread here
But by now you should be able to start finding these threads on your own
Yeah, I've time to have a proper look through now so will do that. I saw the thread earlier, but didn't seem to notice a pre rooted .zip for the latest 5.1.1 firmware in the OP. There was one in the comments though, thanks once again
Hi
My first post here and wondered if any of you would have a neat answer for me.
I am considering getting a Z3 Compact, and have been reading about it and it seems there may have been some issues with Android updates affecting thing slike battery life, etc. I know it can be taken as far as MARSHMALLOW, but some people say it is better to stay at LOLLIPOP, and I have found still other owners saying that they have flashed their phones back to KITKAT, and that this is the best match for the phone.
I am wondering if there is a best answer for what is the best version of Android to be using with this phone?
Thanks!
Robert
It's a very difficult question since it depends on what you mean what best is since the term is very subjective. IIf battery life is all you care about then I heard Kitkat is the best because they crippled the Stamina mode in later versions. But that means you will have a hopelessly outdated software when it comes to security updates, which I would think is more important than battery life. But if you want to software thats up to date then you cant be using stock ROM but which means you have to unlock the bootloader which leads to degradation in camera quality. So there are lots of factors to consider.
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It's a very difficult question since it depends on what you mean what best is since the term is very subjective. IIf battery life is all you care about then I heard Kitkat is the best because they crippled the Stamina mode in later versions. But that means you will have a hopelessly outdated software when it comes to security updates, which I would think is more important than battery life. But if you want to software thats up to date then you cant be using stock ROM but which means you have to unlock the bootloader which leads to degradation in camera quality. So there are lots of factors to consider.
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Thanks BrotherZero
That's useful to hear. My preference would be to have the most recent OS available, which looks like MARSHMALLOW (I don't want to change bootloader and good camera is important)
My concern was just that battery life would be really poor with that. If it's still good I have no issue.
Worry has arisen because I had one for a couple of days that I sent back because the battery was draining very quickly indeed, and I am trying to work out if it is an OS issue before buying again (I really liked the phone)
If its just "not quite as good battery life on Marshmallow, but still very decent" then that's fine.
Thanks
R
rdpxi said:
Thanks BrotherZero
That's useful to hear. My preference would be to have the most recent OS available, which looks like MARSHMALLOW (I don't want to change bootloader and good camera is important)
My concern was just that battery life would be really poor with that. If it's still good I have no issue.
Worry has arisen because I had one for a couple of days that I sent back because the battery was draining very quickly indeed, and I am trying to work out if it is an OS issue before buying again (I really liked the phone)
If its just "not quite as good battery life on Marshmallow, but still very decent" then that's fine.
Thanks
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I have flashed Kitkat, but I never used it for an extensive period (my phone was delivered with LP). I heard from numerous sources that battery life was exceptional on Kitkat, but it was really good on LP too for mer, so It wasn't like I needed better batterylife and add that Kitkat looked really outdated. With Marshmallow I thought I could slightly worse batterylife, but it wasnt a huge degradation either. So I think you will be fine on that.
About the camera, I don't know how good the quality is now on either LIneage OS or OmniROM (these are the ROMs I'm looking to flash my Z3c with now, they have the most up to date software right now and are also open source, Jaguar looks very interesting too, but the dev just dropped the project a month or so ago) but i felt the camera wasn't that good to begin with on Z3c any way. My LG phones (G2 and G4) always blew it out of the water and I don't think I ever seen a sony phone with a really good camera (which is weird since they make the sensor for everybody else). That's why I dont have any qualms abuot unlocking bootloader anymore.
BrotherZero said:
I have flashed Kitkat, but I never used it for an extensive period (my phone was delivered with LP). I heard from numerous sources that battery life was exceptional on Kitkat, but it was really good on LP too for mer, so It wasn't like I needed better batterylife and add that Kitkat looked really outdated. With Marshmallow I thought I could slightly worse batterylife, but it wasnt a huge degradation either. So I think you will be fine on that.
About the camera, I don't know how good the quality is now on either LIneage OS or OmniROM (these are the ROMs I'm looking to flash my Z3c with now, they have the most up to date software right now and are also open source, Jaguar looks very interesting too, but the dev just dropped the project a month or so ago) but i felt the camera wasn't that good to begin with on Z3c any way. My LG phones (G2 and G4) always blew it out of the water and I don't think I ever seen a sony phone with a really good camera (which is weird since they make the sensor for everybody else). That's why I dont have any qualms abuot unlocking bootloader anymore.
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What I am hearing is that if I buy one, I can upgrade it to MMallow and all will be fine, which is kind of what I was hoping to hear.
I've spent three years with an S4 Mini, so I think the camera will be a huge step up whatever I do to it!!
R
After the last marshmallow update the battery life seems the same if not better with lollipop also the Phone is faster. Just Do a full repair to be sure after updating it to the last Version from sonys tool.
I would unlock the bootloader and install new LineageOS,I am running it and it is amazing,camera is rock solid and performance is amazing
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What I am hearing is that if I buy one, I can upgrade it to MMallow and all will be fine, which is kind of what I was hoping to hear.
I've spent three years with an S4 Mini, so I think the camera will be a huge step up whatever I do to it!!
R
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S4 mini's camera is really cool ( had that phone before my z3 compact too! )
For months, I've been using the 4.4 version for my Z3 Compact, cause I sipmly find the camera tons better than Marshmallow! ( Haven't tried Lollipop, I bought the phone with Marshmallow installed! )
On Marshmallow , while you're on the viewfinder, the touch to focus function doesn't work for me! ( I have to tap on the screen to choose where I want to focus, and then use the camera dedicated button, so that the camera starts focusing, while on Kitkat, I just tap , and it focuses immidiately)
Auto focus while video recording is horrible as well, while on Kitkat the autofocus is really fast.
I even found playing GTA San Andreas smoother at 4.4.
What I want to say is that staying at old versions isn't always bad. Sometimes old is gold.
Thanks to all of you responding.
Couple of things:
1 . what do you mean by "do a full repair" after updating?
2. how difficult is doing something like fiddling wth bootloader and installing Lineage? (I probably wouldn't go that far TBH)
On the second question, and also because you're concerned about the camera, if you unlock the bootloader the phone wipes DRM keys that are needed for integration with various functionns. The camera quality will be greatly reduced, audio effects will be reduced, and some other stuff that I was never concerned with and thus don't know what they are. You can backup the DRM keys and restore them after relocking the bootloader for use on a stock ROM, which is a process you'de need to search and find out how to do and isn't too complicated at the moment, however running anything that isn't stock, Lineage, Jaguar, Cyanogenmod, etc, requires an unlocked bootloader and camera quality is going to suffer on these ROMs. Also, if you don't back up the DRM keys properly and unlock the bootloader, you're screwed when it comes to getting them back; they will be deleted forever.
As for fiddling with the bootloader and installing a ROM goes, you need to go to a Sony webpage to unlock it. This voids your warranty. You then use fastboot to install a custom recovery, TWRP usually, and flash the ROM. You can relock it using a tool called Flashtool, which is found in the Z3 compact section somewhere, but you can't use a custom ROM while the bootloader is locked nor use the full features that are included with the stock ROM and will have reduced camera quality and a sligtly distorted image; relocking the bootloader is for the purpose of using Flashtool to put a stock ROM back and restore the (hopefully backed up) DRM keys.
Keep in mind that there are stock ROMs that have been modified to have a locked bootloader, root, implement TWRP where it isn't detected by the phone (so DRM keys still work), xposed can be flashed, etc, etc.
All of this would be a little daunting for someone swithing to the phone right now because the frustrations and progress have been incremental and there isn't a really clear thread I know of that lays it all out, like Backup DRM keys like this, Unlock the Bootloader like this, Install TWRP like this, Download Flashtool here, Relock the bootloader like this, Install a Stock ROM like this, Restore DRM keys like this, Install a rooted stock ROM like this, etc. That said, if you've been on the forum for any length of time it should go okay, the main concern is backing up your DRM keys and once that is done the only concern is, like any other phone, bricking it. If you don't need root and want a good camera, then the question is if you're content with Marshmallow and the fact that there aren't any future updates, or more acurately, you can have root on Marshmallow and a good camera (the current method on the latest stock Marshmallow is the easiest its ever been to get root), but there aren't any future updates.
Hi PantsDownJedi, could you pls share the link to the safest method to get root on Marshmallow, leaving the locked bootloader untouched? Thanks!
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On the second question, and also because you're concerned about the camera, if you unlock the bootloader the phone wipes DRM keys that are needed for integration with various functionns. The camera quality will be greatly reduced, audio effects will be reduced, and some other stuff that I was never concerned with and thus don't know what they are. You can backup the DRM keys and restore them after relocking the bootloader for use on a stock ROM, which is a process you'de need to search and find out how to do and isn't too complicated at the moment, however running anything that isn't stock, Lineage, Jaguar, Cyanogenmod, etc, requires an unlocked bootloader and camera quality is going to suffer on these ROMs. Also, if you don't back up the DRM keys properly and unlock the bootloader, you're screwed when it comes to getting them back; they will be deleted forever.
As for fiddling with the bootloader and installing a ROM goes, you need to go to a Sony webpage to unlock it. This voids your warranty. You then use fastboot to install a custom recovery, TWRP usually, and flash the ROM. You can relock it using a tool called Flashtool, which is found in the Z3 compact section somewhere, but you can't use a custom ROM while the bootloader is locked nor use the full features that are included with the stock ROM and will have reduced camera quality and a sligtly distorted image; relocking the bootloader is for the purpose of using Flashtool to put a stock ROM back and restore the (hopefully backed up) DRM keys.
Keep in mind that there are stock ROMs that have been modified to have a locked bootloader, root, implement TWRP where it isn't detected by the phone (so DRM keys still work), xposed can be flashed, etc, etc.
All of this would be a little daunting for someone swithing to the phone right now because the frustrations and progress have been incremental and there isn't a really clear thread I know of that lays it all out, like Backup DRM keys like this, Unlock the Bootloader like this, Install TWRP like this, Download Flashtool here, Relock the bootloader like this, Install a Stock ROM like this, Restore DRM keys like this, Install a rooted stock ROM like this, etc. That said, if you've been on the forum for any length of time it should go okay, the main concern is backing up your DRM keys and once that is done the only concern is, like any other phone, bricking it. If you don't need root and want a good camera, then the question is if you're content with Marshmallow and the fact that there aren't any future updates, or more acurately, you can have root on Marshmallow and a good camera (the current method on the latest stock Marshmallow is the easiest its ever been to get root), but there aren't any future updates.
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Hi PantsDownJedi, could you pls share the link to the safest method to get root on Marshmallow, leaving the locked bootloader untouched? Thanks!
liviugi said:
Hi PantsDownJedi, could you pls share the link to the safest method to get root on Marshmallow, leaving the locked bootloader untouched? Thanks!
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Hi PantsDownJedi, could you pls share the link to the safest method to get root on Marshmallow, leaving the locked bootloader untouched? Thanks!
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Recovery & Root for MM .575 & .291 LB
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