I am only getting around 3 hours and 15 minutes of screen on time. What are you getting? The reviews usually pointed towards 5 hours plus....
I didn't test it but you might clear the Google Play Services cache and reboot your P10.
EMUI seems to have some problems with this Service on some devices which can cause a huge battery draw. I can't relate it to my VTR-L09 but maybe this helps.
3h15m is really bad to be honest! how is the standby drain overnight?
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3h15m is really bad to be honest! how is the standby drain overnight?
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i sleep for about 7 hours and im losing 5% overnight
I slept for 5hours+ and i lost 2-3%. my previous P9 lost about 1-2% after 6-7 hours. really miss the old days using xperia Z2. 8hours of nice sleep, and only 1-1.5% battery lost...haha
Whats wrong with mine? I'm loosing 2% battery per hour.
Some application is hungry.
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I slept for 5hours+ and i lost 2-3%. my previous P9 lost about 1-2% after 6-7 hours. really miss the old days using xperia Z2. 8hours of nice sleep, and only 1-1.5% battery lost...haha
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Now I'm starting to hesitate buying the p10 or plus. I have the Z3 and I'm really spoiled by its battery performance.
No screen shot but I had 6hr 10m with approximately 15% charge remaining during the last charge. However none of that time was playing games or watching video.
In the last 2 weeks there are many reports of battery drain on p10 and mate 9. Battery drain started suddenly, with google account manager and play services eating battery like crazy. I uninstalled ALL apps and still it didn't help. I'll try factory reset and report back.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/battery-drain-google-account-manager-t3580744
Factory reset has no effect. Battery drains even without any updates and apps installed. Power saving mode has no effect either. Batery is draining steadily with 2-3% per hour.
To anyone interested: it's wifi that drains too much battery. Battery drains 2 or 3 times faster when wifi is enabled. In addition, when wifi enabled, phone is waking up from sleep all the time.
I'm getting around 4 hours to 5 hours OST Is that ok? Is my phone faulty?
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In the last 2 weeks there are many reports of battery drain on p10 and mate 9. Battery drain started suddenly, with google account manager and play services eating battery like crazy. I uninstalled ALL apps and still it didn't help. I'll try factory reset and report back.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/battery-drain-google-account-manager-t3580744
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It's almost a week ago. Any improvements?
Sorry saw your post after placing mine
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In the last 2 weeks there are many reports of battery drain on p10 and mate 9. Battery drain started suddenly, with google account manager and play services eating battery like crazy. I uninstalled ALL apps and still it didn't help. I'll try factory reset and report back.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/battery-drain-google-account-manager-t3580744
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Weird, I am getting pretty good SOT with my Mate 9, thankfully.
Last charge was 16 hours and 5 SOT and had 30% left.
Currently at 12 hours and 4 hours SOT and 45% left. Don't think it will be as good as last charge, but close.
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Weird, I am getting pretty good SOT with my Mate 9, thankfully.
Last charge was 16 hours and 5 SOT and had 30% left.
Currently at 12 hours and 4 hours SOT and 45% left. Don't think it will be as good as last charge, but close.
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Interesting. I currently have a Z5 which the battery life isn't the best - I won't get a full day out of it. And I'm debating between the Mate 9 or the P10. The Mate 9 does have a larger battery than the P10, but is there a noticeable difference in battery life on the Mate 9 over the P10?
Mine has only 2.5h SoT (((
My P10 has a SOT of about 5.5 hours, but I am a light user: no Facebook, heavy games or YouTube.
Stupid question alert....where do you find SoT in EMUI? I can't for thew life of me find it in the normal battery management.
I use the GSam Battery app for this, but there are more who can do the same.
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I know it's a large battery that's why I'm asking this question. My p9 plus drops from 100-95 relatively quickly just by using whatsapp and instagram. like less than an hour. Is that normal or is it just me?
Sorry but that is bad?
Which mobile are you coming from???
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Sorry but that is bad?
Which mobile are you coming from???
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errr..? the huawei p9 plus? Cause some people say they could get more than a day out of this phone with normal usage but I can't seem to do that haha. I could if I keep the screen off like most of the time but definitely not normal usage.
A lot depends on the phone signal, if you move into areas where the signal is poor the phone is constantly looking to better that signal... Using more power. 5% an hour is pretty good by my reconning.. Will give you around 20 hours to zero.
I am coming from samsung A8. Comparing A8 the p9 plus is better in battery back up for me.
Mine is good too. Comparing with Xperia Z1 Compact is much much better. I have 5 to 6 hours of SOT and above average usage. With normal usage usualy I have close to 7 hours and 3 to 5% juice in it.
my battery life is amazing, best I've ever had on a phone, I would install wakelock detector and see whats eating your battery, I recently got over a 100 hrs between charges which is amazing, SOT was 7 hours 26 min, I do have greenify installed though which helps.
2 days and 1 hour here with 22℅ left and 5 hours SOT
This thing is just amazing
For me battery is perfect, mostly 2 days between charge and 6 hours SOT, no root pure stock for now all with normal usage.
Best battery I've ever had on any phone, even the ones with 4000mAh battery can't match this. This thing just rocks! After 3 full charging cycles I am stable on 2 days between charging with most of the time on wi-fi or 4g/3g and gps on when needed and my SOT is 8hrs up. Righ now I have 11%batt remaining and 8hrs 01min SOT.
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Best battery I've ever had on any phone, even the ones with 4000mAh battery can't match this. This thing just rocks! After 3 full charging cycles I am stable on 2 days between charging with most of the time on wi-fi or 4g/3g and gps on when needed and my SOT is 8hrs up. Righ now I have 11%batt remaining and 8hrs 01min SOT.
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What do you mean full charge cycle? And 2 days with 6 hours screen on time meaning your battery can last 2 days inclusive of the 6 hours SOT? cause for mine, I plugged it out at 9am and now it's already at 49%. Screen on time probably about 3-4 hours so far.
That is insane amount of screen on time. If this for was 2k screen I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. I have to wait for the P10 Plus
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What do you mean full charge cycle? And 2 days with 6 hours screen on time meaning your battery can last 2 days inclusive of the 6 hours SOT? cause for mine, I plugged it out at 9am and now it's already at 49%. Screen on time probably about 3-4 hours so far.
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i think he means that he load the P9 Plus 3 time from 0 to 100%
Dropping from 100% to 95% after using Whatspp and Instagram for an hour is normal. My P9 Plus can last me more than 1 day with noramal browsing, emails, SMS and Whatsapp. It is way better than my LG V10.
First battery cycle and second cycle
WhatsApp all day
1 hour instagram
1 hour eyeem
2 hours lightning browser
Some photos
Easy 6+ hours SOT
The battery is not as good as I expected. I unplugged it at 6.45am and my usage are as follows:
WhatsApp
Facebook
Clash of Clans
Instagram
WeChat
and a little bit of browsing
My battery was 11% when I got home at 7pm. SOT was around 3 hours. Is this normal? I have to charge my phone everyday unlike what others has said.
everyone have different apps installed and we all use our device differently. Waste of time to compare each others battery life.
I have a lot of **** running in the background and i just charge when i need. Nothing i worry about, always a arm length from an electrical outlet. (home, work, school, train etc.)
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The battery is not as good as I expected. I unplugged it at 6.45am and my usage are as follows:
WhatsApp
Facebook
Clash of Clans
Instagram
WeChat
and a little bit of browsing
My battery was 11% when I got home at 7pm. SOT was around 3 hours. Is this normal? I have to charge my phone everyday unlike what others has said.
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Unfortunately all the apps u r running are power-intensive. I suppose if u keep running those apps from 6.45am until 7pm (which is more than 12 hours) and still left some juice on it, this should consider very good battery life already.
The P10 should be a serious contender when it comes out. I am torn between Samsung S8, Sony Zeus and the P10 Plus. I'm really interested to see what the P10 plus and Sony Zeus have to offer.
I just got phone two days now ,At second charge,very satisfied
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Samsung Galaxy Note5 before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
SOT is usually 1 hour 23 minutes at 50%. With the Display brightness a little less than half.
The biggest culprit is Android OS stay awake time is always high.
Man I've been more than impressed by my SOT of the Note 5 compared to my crappy old Nexus 6. I can get 4-5 hours on here vs the 3 hours max I got on the N6. Blows me away. So much better phone than that was too.
I normally see about 3hrs on nougat where as MM I usually got closer to 4 hours which is a bummer but still reasonable. Main issue is the screen off battery drain on nougat. Seems to want to drain 8-10% per hour no matter what I'm doing most days.
It's ridiculous. I've drained my new note 5 in 2 hours SOT just browsing Web and reading this forum. I've got 4-5 hours of browsing with my old note 2. That's just crazy low. Xiaomi MI max 2 can easily give you 8 hours SOT. Thinking of exchange already :/
I don't understand how it is possible that every big review on the Internet that I found claims it is more than 8 or 10 hours of Web browsing possible on note 5! How can it be true? Some tests on YouTube shows there is only 4 hours from 100 to 0 without heavy cpu and network utilisation and just screen on...
I consider myself as a Power user. I Only get 2:30 hours no matter the screen resolution, 1080P or 2K. Nougat or Marshmallow doesn't matter. But I'm OK with that, I have a lot of apps and 3 Gmail accounts so I'm getting notifications all day long.
Oh man flashing the n fuel xl Rom was probably the best thing I've done with my note 5. Sot is still lingering around 3 hours or less but stand by time has literally doubled. Now when the screen is off, the phone actually chills out and doesn't burn up battery.
Went from 12-13 hours to 25-26 hours with my normal usage.
new note 5 user here
after reading many of your comment guys, i feel really lucky
i had a note 2 for more than 4 years (still have it) and with my average use i usually get 3.5-4 hours of screen time on
i just bought a note 5 like a week ago and i'm getting more than 6 hours of screen time on
i use the powersaving mode on "mid" and i usually dont need more than a low brightness ... i dont use my phone for games that much cuz i have a ps4 for that ... usually use it for social media and these stuff
i know its very good only bcuz i just got it but with my experience on the note 2 i will try not to drain the battery life and keep it good
note is just the best there is
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Oh man flashing the n fuel xl Rom was probably the best thing I've done with my note 5. Sot is still lingering around 3 hours or less but stand by time has literally doubled. Now when the screen is off, the phone actually chills out and doesn't burn up battery.
Went from 12-13 hours to 25-26 hours with my normal usage.
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Oh can you show me a link to the Rom? I am not a heavy user so about 2h sot is fine for me. However I need my phone to be able to last longer while in Standby. I get only 11hr of the phone, including 2hr sot now.
My note 5 battery is dropping >10% per hour with light use. SOT guesstimate to be about 3 hours. Standby drain is great but not when I start using it. Such battery drain defeats the purpose of a smartphone. I guess Samsung has a reason to design the phone with irreplaceable battery. Ordered the S8+ as replacement.
I was studying my battery life/SOT today. I managed to take some screen shots when my phone was around 8%. I'll upload them a little later when my phone is charged up. I let it drain all the way to try and calibrate it. I notice it shut off today at 2%. Around 8% I noticed my screen on time was over 5 hours or higher. Can't recall now the exact number but it seemed unusually high. I think I got around 10 hours of battery life. Once I post screen shots later can someone tell me if they seem accurate and if I get good battery life since I just upgraded to Nougat?
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My note 5 battery is dropping >10% per hour with light use. SOT guesstimate to be about 3 hours. Standby drain is great but not when I start using it. Such battery drain defeats the purpose of a smartphone. I guess Samsung has a reason to design the phone with irreplaceable battery. Ordered the S8+ as replacement.
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Oh man flashing the n fuel xl Rom was probably the best thing I've done with my note 5. Sot is still lingering around 3 hours or less but stand by time has literally doubled. Now when the screen is off, the phone actually chills out and doesn't burn up battery.
Went from 12-13 hours to 25-26 hours with my normal usage.
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True. Irrespective of MM/Nougat, there is not much we can do about SOT. The best case can be just above 4 hrs. I am on PureX ROM of Rajeev. Between FuelXL and PureX, the best part is on Deep sleep. When the screen is off, the power consumption is close to Zero. The only reason appears to be that both the ROMs are heavily debloated. Any further major improvement to battery life of Note 5 can be only with Oreo ROM. In my Oneplus, i flashed custom Oreo ROM and the battery life is dramatically extended. So, lets wait and pray for Oreo form Note 5.
So everyone on stock N gets around 3-3.30hrs of sot. Felt relieved to read becoz i was worried and thought mayb my phones battery has loosen its capacity.
Btw is there any app that can tell us exact wear level of the battery?? I tried googling some apps but none gave me the exact info that I needed.
I thought my battery was still bad even after changing it but I'm getting well over 3 hours of screen time so it looks like I'm all good for now
I have 4.5-6 hours SOT every day. I'm on stock N, GPS, wifi, sync and lte on all the time. However, every now and then I make a cache reset in recovery, always after a new app installation. Guess my system is quite clean. Battery life is awesome om this device.
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So everyone on stock N gets around 3-3.30hrs of sot. Felt relieved to read becoz i was worried and thought mayb my phones battery has loosen its capacity.
Btw is there any app that can tell us exact wear level of the battery?? I tried googling some apps but none gave me the exact info that I needed.
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Before I sold my Note 5, estimated the battery wear with AccuBattery.
I recommend getting LG V20, its a great upgrade to the Note 5.
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Before I sold my Note 5, estimated the battery wear with AccuBattery.
I recommend getting LG V20, its a great upgrade to the Note 5.
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I disagree, better keep Note 5.
Better in speedtests
Better battery life
Better display
Better camera
and so on.................
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Before I sold my Note 5, estimated the battery wear with AccuBattery.
I recommend getting LG V20, its a great upgrade to the Note 5.
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A stupid question
For how much you sold your note 5
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I have 4.5-6 hours SOT every day. I'm on stock N, GPS, wifi, sync and lte on all the time. However, every now and then I make a cache reset in recovery, always after a new app installation. Guess my system is quite clean. Battery life is awesome om this device.
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No way you're getting 4.5-6
I don't use fingerprint sensor. No smartlock too. But randomly my a2's processor stuck in maximum frequency! It drains battery on idle. Anyone else having this bug?
Yea i have this problem too..
Confirmed here. Battery is draining really fast after update
I've reported to xiaomi. anyone else who see this thread please report to xiaomi
holy sh*t, again?!
Since the august patch I've decided not to update my phone anymore, seems like a good idea now... I'll just wait for android P release.
Q&A in Xiaomi is really bad it seems...
Mine is really normal here, both days after updates. My usage was quite light but the stand by time was still great.
On mobile data most of the time and location always at high accuracy. Stock, no root.
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Mine is really normal here, both days after updates. My usage was quite light but the stand by time was still great.
On mobile data most of the time and location always at high accuracy. Stock, no root.
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Sorry to say but your wrong
See yours Screen on Time is just 1h...
While losing 39% battery
Mi is insen
Better battery backup will be
10% charging drop and Screen on time 45m/1h
They just defaming android One phones
To move there customers to MIUI
mbangi said:
Sorry to say but your wrong
See yours Screen on Time is just 1h...
While losing 39% battery
Mi is insen
Better battery backup will be
10% charging drop and Screen on time 45m/1h
They just defaming android One phones
To move there customers to MIUI
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I know that sot was only below 2h but considering remove the phone from charger 19h ago and also streaming music on Spotify for 2-3 h, I think losing 39% of battery is reasonable. SoT is not the only indicator for good battery life imo.
I also got this rate before oct patch.
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I know that sot was only below 2h but considering remove the phone from charger 19h ago and also streaming music on Spotify for 2-3 h, I think losing 39% of battery is reasonable. SoT is not the only indicator for good battery life imo.
I also got this rate before oct patch.
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You didn't drop battery graph
So how I know that ?
2nd october update looks better. I didn't get any processor stuck max bug (fp). And battery seems good so far.
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I know that sot was only below 2h but considering remove the phone from charger 19h ago and also streaming music on Spotify for 2-3 h, I think losing 39% of battery is reasonable. SoT is not the only indicator for good battery life imo.
I also got this rate before oct patch.
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I can do worst with 10 hours of spotify and only only 1 hours of SOT playing PUBG
October update data leaked
Yes the second October update (103MB) drain my A2's battery and my SIM2 data ran in background even I didn't switch it on anyone has this problem?
I cant find even a single one on youtube
There would be tons of them if the battery was poor... ?
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I cant find even a single one on youtube
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In my case,after 2 days of use, both from 100% to 5%,SOT is 7h30min.
7.5 SOT for me too.
Same usage, my old Pixel would do 4.5 hours, maybe 5 on a good day.
This is with forced 90 refresh on in developer settings.
First couple of days I was getting about 5hrs 30 mins sot but since then it has dropped to 4hrs at best. Can't work out why. Phone reports no unusual battery drain.
I know it depends how you using it and so on. But generally?
I think mine is worse then pixel 4 xl. Have only charged it like 4 times but still. Using some Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, news , youtube.
Mostly wifi and feels like battery is dropping really fast.
I'm getting 7-8 hours SoT when battery hitting around 25-30% left. Here's my thread from my first findings.
Battery life?
So I'm coming from a 3 XL, and I even got the battery replaced April 2021, and I was getting about four hours SoT. My 7 in only two days is blowing my mind. Yesterday I had five hours SoT, and today after a full charge, It went from 100% to 99%...
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Today's usage.
its about the same as pixel 6 for me maybe a little less from daily usage...but smoother for sure and the phone is a little bit smaller which is always a plus
My battery sucks ATM. Only had like 3 full charges so might settle and getting better , hopefully
Another quick update. Haven't used the phone that much yesterday or today yet, and I'm happy with standby time. Over 34 hours off the charger with over 4 hours SoT, and still has over 40% battery.
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Another quick update. Haven't used the phone that much yesterday or today yet, and I'm happy with standby time. Over 34 hours off the charger with over 4 hours SoT, and still has over 40% battery.
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Doesn't sound great.
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Doesn't sound great.
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LOL what do you want? 20 hours SoT? Maybe because I'm coming from a 3 XL with a 3430 battery that after 4 hours of SoT, and only being off the charger for 12 hours, not well over 30, my battery would be at 10%, not 40%, but to me this is freaking awesome battery life.
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LOL what do you want? 20 hours SoT? Maybe because I'm coming from a 3 XL with a 3430 battery that after 4 hours of SoT, and only being off the charger for 12 hours, not well over 30, my battery would be at 10%, not 40%, but to me this is freaking awesome battery life.
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20 would be stellar.
Anyone getting battery drain with Spotify?
Was listening for 3h with bluetooth headphones and it said Spotify needed 23% which i feel is quite a lot.
3h display on used 5%
Mine is honestly making me regret buying the phone. Too late, sent my trade in yesterday.
I previously had the Pixel 5a and got around 9.5 hours of screen on time over 24 hours. I think most days I could go about 30 hours before running empty.
My P7 gets around 6 hours of screen time over about 18 hours.
So a battery that's 7% smaller is seeing battery life more than 30% worse.
I'm not very happy with the battery life as you can tell, and I just hope a software update can improve things.
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Mine is honestly making me regret buying the phone. Too late, sent my trade in yesterday.
I previously had the Pixel 5a and got around 9.5 hours of screen on time over 24 hours. I think most days I could go about 30 hours before running empty.
My P7 gets around 6 hours of screen time over about 18 hours.
So a battery that's 7% smaller is seeing battery life more than 30% worse.
I'm not very happy with the battery life as you can tell, and I just hope a software update can improve things.
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That's the only thing that scares me from getting it.
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That's the only thing that scares me from getting it.
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Other than the battery life the phone is fantastic haha. It's not unmanageable, I do keep good high-watt chargers in most places like home, work, car, etc. But sometimes I go do something all day and I'm not near a charger. Guess I'll just get used to using battery saver mode in those situations.
I do enjoy the phone, but the battery giving me anxiety is not very fun.
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Other than the battery life the phone is fantastic haha. It's not unmanageable, I do keep good high-watt chargers in most places like home, work, car, etc. But sometimes I go do something all day and I'm not near a charger. Guess I'll just get used to using battery saver mode in those situations.
I do enjoy the phone, but the battery giving me anxiety is not very fun.
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Yeah. I guess. Working 10 hrs makes me nervous about battery life. Lol.
dont reference your SOT, reference it to your previous phone, everone usage SOT is different, one person maybe have 5 hours SOT but on the camera for 70% one person may have 10 hours but only use it for texting or internet.
What ways have you guys found to extend battery life during normal use? Without having to severely reduce the functionality of the phone, ie 5g or reducing screen brightness a ton. I feel like a modern phone a lot of the point is the screen and 5g so those I wouldn't want to sacrifice
Are there settings or other apps that can help? I'm fairly new to Android and so far I've been a bit disappointed with the battery life of the P7.
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What ways have you guys found to extend battery life during normal use? Without having to severely reduce the functionality of the phone, ie 5g or reducing screen brightness a ton. I feel like a modern phone a lot of the point is the screen and 5g so those I wouldn't want to sacrifice
Are there settings or other apps that can help? I'm fairly new to Android and so far I've been a bit disappointed with the battery life of the P7.
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What kind of battery life are you getting? I only play around on mine (Instagram, Pinterest, SnapChat, and some Candy Crush games), and my main drain is Clash Royale, and I get around 7-8 hour SoT with 20% remaining. I switched 5G off, and only use LTE because 5G (at least in my area) is bad.
Man, y'all must've been spoiled with like 10+ hours of SOT with your old phones... I get around 6-8 with 30 hrs total which I think is pretty dang good. But like someone else said SOT will be much different from person to person based on device usage. I watched a 2hr downloaded movie from Netflix with airplane mode on and it only dropped 12%. And with adaptive charging, I just charge it all night which it will charge, slowly, till full until my alarm goes off.
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Man, y'all must've been spoiled with like 10+ hours of SOT with your old phones... I get around 6-8 with 30 hrs total which I think is pretty dang good. But like someone else said SOT will be much different from person to person based on device usage. I watched a 2hr downloaded movie from Netflix with airplane mode on and it only dropped 12%. And with adaptive charging, I just charge it all night which it will charge, slowly, till full until my alarm goes off.
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Exactly. My experience is the opposite though. I came from a 3 XL, and by the time I switched from it to the 7 my battery capacity was down to around 2800. My 7 is like a God send for me. 7-8 hours SoT with the same use as my 3 XL, and I still have 30% left, when my 3 XL would be down to 2%. I couldn't be happier.
I came from the OnePlus9 and all around the OnePlus9 is a better device.
Google has a great UI experience, but these Tensor2 chips do not compete in performance or efficiency with the Snapdragon 888s or higher.
Theyre missing a lot of the refinement that Qualcomm has done with the hardware and it shows.
For those coming from a Pixel 3-5 series, yes this is a big upgrade, and many got great trade-in deals which is what made me give this phone a shot. It does not however live up to it's MSRP. Im hoping Google is able to refine things to greatly improve efficiency on these devices.