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[TERMINAL] DEBLOATER
Debloat your phone Systemlessly! Debloating can sometimes be device specific. OEM apps can sometimes be a trash to a user but not to the other. So I decided to make a module to Customize the uninstallation of a system app (in Magisk) with a UI in Terminal emulator. So you can help yourself in uninstalling your own bloat![/SIZE]
How to use:
Flash in a recovery
Go to Terminal emulator or adb shell (use -nc, refer below)
Type su and enter
Code:
debloat
or use the command line for ease of use or other stuff
Select the apps to uninstall (systemless!). But remember that the names of the apps won't be accurate (like Velvet which is actually the Google app) if you have no aapt in your system.
** Use the options
Enter
Code:
debloat -h
and it will be pretty easy to understand.
** How to debloat multiple apps
Enter multiple numbers. That's it.
For example, enter 1 18 25 24 56. That would debloat the apps with the corresponding number in the listed apps shown to you in the menu.
** If you have a blank list of apps, or want to use ADB Shell, use -nc.
Code:
debloat -nc
** Uploading logs
Go to the menu and type `logs`, this will upload the log files of this module and will generate a link. Send that
Alternatively, Send `/cache/terminal_debloater-verbose.log` here. I'll examine it for problems and will try to fix it.
Short video guide:
Download here or at Magisk Manager
GitHub
Changelogs
Telegram Channel
Notification Channel
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LIST OF ALL SH*TTY APPS BY OEMs
All ****ty LG apps
by @popy2006
All ****ty T-Mobile LG apps
by @famewolf
Give me a list to be posted here ?
F.A.Q
Q. How does this work?
A. To put it simply, debloat is a script magic mounted in /system/bin ($PATH variable) so that it can be executed directly in Terminal Emulator and present you with a "UI" that you can interact with to uninstall System Apps.
Q. Are the apps frozen or uninstalled?
A. They're uninstalled. To put it simply, the apk files in /system are replaced by a blank file, which basically removes/uninstalls them from /system.
Q. How does the Reinstall option work?
A. It removes the blank files used to replace to apk files in /system. Which brings the apk back after a reboot. Basically the same thing that happens when you disable/uninstall a Magisk module. Q. Some kind of error popped out, what do I do?
A. Type logs in the menu then send the link generated or send me these files: /cache/terminal_debloater.log and /cache/terminal_debloater-verbose.log ; so I can look for the bug :good:
Q. I accidentally uninstalled an important system app (e.g. System UI) and got in a bootloop, what do I do?
A. Simple, mount magisk from here. Then delete the app folder of the system app you've uninstalled in /sbin/.core/img/terminal_debloater/system/app or /sbin/.core/img/terminal_debloater/system/priv-app then that should undo it
Q. Apps are still in the app drawer after debloating...
A. You can then uninstall them like a normal user app.
Here's a little video tutorial on how to use this module by @Truant_Luce
Nice! One for the repo, I'd say!
Should probably warn the user a bit clearer that the list won't always accurately reflect the name of the app they're looking for... You'll probably get a lot of questions about it anyway (taking into account the average users indisposition towards reading instructions), but still.
Didgeridoohan said:
Nice! One for the repo, I'd say!
Should probably warn the user a bit clearer that the list won't always accurately reflect the name of the app they're looking for... You'll probably get a lot of questions about it anyway (taking into account the average users indisposition towards reading instructions), but still.
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Thanks. Should have probably added that from the beginning.
I'll submit it to the repo soon
@veez21 check lines 99 and 126:
mktouch $MODDIR${app[$(($app))]}/.replace
mktouch $MODDIR${privapp[$((privapp))]}/.replace
crusader727 said:
@veez21 check lines 99 and 126:
mktouch $MODDIR${app[$(($app))]}/.replace
mktouch $MODDIR${privapp[$((privapp))]}/.replace
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There was supposed to be something else in there ( a difference between another variable) and i removed it. But it still works like that. Try it and tell me if there are errors
veez21 said:
There was supposed to be something else in there ( a difference between another variable) and i removed it. But it still works like that. Try it and tell me if there are errors
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I was wondering if someone would make a debloater. Great job!
Great think, gonna test it tomorrow
Thank you very much !!
Would you be able to create a module to hide apps (user/system) from the pixel launcher?
If yes, would it be much work to do?
Gratefully
Blade
BIade said:
Great think, gonna test it tomorrow
Thank you very much !!
Would you be able to create a module to hide apps (user/system) from the pixel launcher?
If yes, would it be much work to do?
Gratefully
Blade
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I don't know. But I'll look into it
Screenshots please!
Can someone post some screenshots of the module in action?
Thank you. Can I debloat them and install some of them back as the user app from the play store..?
min9ox2 said:
Thank you. Can I debloat them and install some of them back as the user app from the play store..?
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Yes you can
Git link added in the OP!
Added git link and submitted it to the repo. Hope it gets accepted soon
https://github.com/veez21/terminal_debloater_magisk
I keep getting this when I try it. Anything I'm not doing right? The app does have root permissions. But not too familiar with working with terminals.
Great module, was thinking of making one myself.
What about incorporating something of the functionality of App Inspector so that the terminal display shows both display name and package name?
Telperion said:
Great module, was thinking of making one myself.
What about incorporating something of the functionality of App Inspector so that the terminal display shows both display name and package name?
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Its actually in the next version I'll update in just a sec
Truant_Luce said:
I keep getting this when I try it. Anything I'm not doing right? The app does have root permissions. But not too familiar with working with terminals.
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Did you type su before debloat_magisk? If not then type su first
Updated to v2! Changes are significantly related to UX.
CHANGELOG:
UI Improved a bit
Now shows the name of the app! (if aapt binary is present in /system)
Now hides uninstalled apps!
Added Reinstall Apps (but not working just yet don't try it for now)
Code Optimizations
Download here or in the OP
Git - later
Note: Updating removes all the files in the module, so all the uninstalled apps will be reinstalled. That's a magisk problem
I'm looking for a module to be created, or if I could do it not sure. Something to do the same as "lockscreen disabler" did in Xposed. Willing to donate. App in question for exchange email is "Email MOTOEMAIL.00.05.0072". Currently running XT1254, 6.0.1, stock rom. Thank you.
Shtiff1 said:
I'm looking for a module to be created, or if I could do it not sure. Something to do the same as "lockscreen disabler" did in Xposed. Willing to donate. App in question for exchange email is "Email MOTOEMAIL.00.05.0072". Currently running XT1254, 6.0.1, stock rom. Thank you.
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maybe it is enough if you download the module-template edit config.sh and module.prop to an ID if your choice and in config.sh also the REPLACE part with /system/app or priv-app/Lockscreen/ ?
something like this maybe? but here ends my know-how
Shtiff1 said:
I'm looking for a module to be created, or if I could do it not sure. Something to do the same as "lockscreen disabler" did in Xposed. Willing to donate. App in question for exchange email is "Email MOTOEMAIL.00.05.0072". Currently running XT1254, 6.0.1, stock rom. Thank you.
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First, that's not a donation you're talking about, it's a bounty.
Second, if it can't be done without Xposed, it can't be done with Magisk. So don't hold your breath.
wiQbold said:
maybe it is enough if you download the module-template edit config.sh and module.prop to an ID if your choice and in config.sh also the REPLACE part with /system/app or priv-app/Lockscreen/ ?
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What? I don't think you understand what the REPLACE part of the config.sh file does.
During installation, that little entry puts a file called "replace" in each folder listed, in the module folder structure. Every time Magisk mounts a module and finds that file it will completely wipe (systemlessly, of course) the corresponding folder in /system.
If you want to replace a file on your device with one you've edited, all you have to do is to put that file in the module zip, under the same folder structure it can be found on your device. After that Magisk's Magic Mount will do it's thing...
Didgeridoohan said:
First, that's not a donation you're talking about, it's a bounty.
Second, if it can't be done without Xposed, it can't be done with Magisk. So don't hold your breath.
What? I don't think you understand what the REPLACE part of the config.sh file does.
During installation, that little entry puts a file called "replace" in each folder listed, in the module folder structure. Every time Magisk mounts a module and finds that file it will completely wipe (systemlessly, of course) the corresponding folder in /system.
If you want to replace a file on your device with one you've edited, all you have to do is to put that file in the module zip, under the same folder structure it can be found on your device. After that Magisk's Magic Mount will do it's thing...
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right. my consideration was to wipe the lockscreen folder in system to disable it
wiQbold said:
right. my consideration was to wipe the lockscreen folder in system to disable it
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Ok. In that case I believe you haven't quite understood the request...
Didgeridoohan said:
Ok. In that case I believe you haven't quite understood the request...
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that could be true. do not have any device older then nougat and can t try the xposed-module.
thought it disable only the lockscreen.
wiQbold said:
that could be true. do not have any device older then nougat and can t try the xposed-module.
thought it disable only the lockscreen.
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From what I can tell it disables the lockscreen while tricking apps that require a lockscreen into thinking it's enabled.
Easy-ish with Xposed, impossible with Magisk unless you manually edit the app in question to not detect the lockscreen state and then use a Magisk module to mount it to your device.
Didgeridoohan said:
From what I can tell it disables the lockscreen while tricking apps that require a lockscreen into thinking it's enabled.
Easy-ish with Xposed, impossible with Magisk unless you manually edit the app in question to not detect the lockscreen state and then use a Magisk module to mount it to your device.
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That is correct. When i opened phone before it just had swipe up to open. Now I have to enter lock code every time. I haven't done anything with adb before, always do everything from the phone. I've seen the apk "exchangenopin" but I can't try it, cause I can't download the apk anywhere. Those from other thread seem to go to ad sites. I figured that it wouldn't of been that difficult because the exchangenopin "supposedly" works w/o Xposed. That's why I was hoping for a module. I found something to replace my "insert custom text" module from Xposed, now just need something to replace for lockscreen. Lol. Liking Magisk though.
I experienced the same problem with my realme 5i smartphone, I tried to install the latest Magisk via the OrangeFox recovery because I had never rooted my smartphone before. but I have installed pixel 5 archipelago project. In this case, after installing magisk and successfully entering the lockscreen, here the problem occurs because I can't enter the lockscreen PIN and can't do anything, I can't even turn off my phone. But here I found a solution, namely using a google account and trying to wipe data via the Google Play application, namely find my devices and then delete it there and it worked for me
I'd like to know exactly why XPosed trips the SafteyNet checks even when running as a Magisk module. Is there a change that's easy to detect? Is it not possible to isolate the changes to certain apps? I want all the technical details about this issue.
What I'm aware of after talking to some of the devs and reading in the forums
That google play service downloads Safteynet XML file which executes and checks for Xposed File modifications
I think its due to Xposed modifying the /system folder, and as magisk is "systemless", it doesnt do that.
loguhn said:
I think its due to Xposed modifying the /system folder, and as magisk is "systemless", it doesnt do that.
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But there's systemless xposed which still triggers safety net. So it can't be just that.
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kabso5 said:
What I'm aware of after talking to some of the devs and reading in the forums
That google play service downloads Safteynet XML file which executes and checks for Xposed File modifications
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That doesn't tell me anything about what part of Xposed trips the checks though.
gudenau said:
That doesn't tell me anything about what part of Xposed trips the checks though.
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safetynet checks the zygote, which xposed modifies to work, thats why it trips, be it system or systemless, it didnt used to. Safetynet has evolved
aer0zer0 said:
safetynet checks the zygote, which xposed modifies to work, thats why it trips, be it system or systemless, it didnt used to. Safetynet has evolved
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I don't get how a root-level app can't fool a non-root level app such as Google Play into thinking nothing's rotten in Denmark :crying::crying:
cthulhu1987 said:
I don't get how a root-level app can't fool a non-root level app such as Google Play into thinking nothing's rotten in Denmark :crying::crying:
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I'm sure if they could spoof the zygote, or force it back as a pass like the bootloader and kernel, they would have done it already. Root is not exactly the entire solution
aer0zer0 said:
safetynet checks the zygote, which xposed modifies to work, thats why it trips, be it system or systemless, it didnt used to. Safetynet has evolved
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How exactly does it detect it though? There are several versions it in the wild.
Maybe @topjohnwu can explain better here
aer0zer0 said:
Maybe @topjohnwu can explain better here
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he did: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73691464&postcount=4200
Systemless Xposed cannot pass SafetyNet!!! SN checks the running Zygote process, it is not as simple as unmounting the files to hide it!
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lover said:
he did: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73691464&postcount=4200
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Lol, already saw that (it was in my earlier explanation) I think others in this thread want a more nuts and bolts answer.
aer0zer0 said:
I think others in this thread want a more nuts and bolts answer.
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That would actually be awesome.
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aer0zer0 said:
safetynet checks the zygote, which xposed modifies to work, thats why it trips, be it system or systemless, it didnt used to. Safetynet has evolved
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lover said:
he did: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73691464&postcount=4200
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Sure it checks it, but what does it look for? I want to know exactly what it does, as I said in the first post.
gudenau said:
Sure it checks it, but what does it look for? I want to know exactly what it does, as I said in the first post.
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I am not the right person to answer
Nice thread going on here. Hope someone could explain the anathomy of SafetyNet and how does it check Zygote.
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Sure it checks it, but what does it look for? I want to know exactly what it does, as I said in the first post.
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I believe if anybody actually KNEW this answer, they'd be able to spoof it. It could be some kind of tamper-detection stuff on the level that serious hackers use (e.g. measuring execution time of an arbitrary method), or it could be specifically design to detect Xposed (it is opensource after all).
This is one of those things where if you have to ask the question, the answer is probably beyond your expertise.
I'm watching this talk from 34c3.
Maybe this would explain/help on under standing saftynet.
https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8725-inside_android_s_safetynet_attestation_attack_and_defense
I think topjohnwu already explained well enough. Since SN checks not the "file integrity" of Zygote but the integrity of the running Zygote process in memory, it makes the spoof very difficult.
Since Zygote is loaded very early during boot and is actually the base of all system and app process (this is also why XPosed is so powerful by modifying Zygote), so it's always running and it's not so easy to spoof the memory contents (including code and data area) of a running process from another process, so there SN is tripped always.
However since there Zygote is modified by XPosed, maybe someone can modify the Zygotes in such a way that will pretent the integrity and thus will not trip safety net (like some root kit for Windows) but how and if this can be done is entirely beyond my knowledge...
lssong99 said:
I think topjohnwu already explained well enough. Since SN checks not the "file integrity" of Zygote but the integrity of the running Zygote process in memory, it makes the spoof very difficult.
Since Zygote is loaded very early during boot and is actually the base of all system and app process (this is also why XPosed is so powerful by modifying Zygote), so it's always running and it's not so easy to spoof the memory contents (including code and data area) of a running process from another process, so there SN is tripped always.
However since there Zygote is modified by XPosed, maybe someone can modify the Zygotes in such a way that will pretent the integrity and thus will not trip safety net (like some root kit for Windows) but how and if this can be done is entirely beyond my knowledge...
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I'd like to discover some technical details too. I wonder if it's possible to compile a ROM with modified zygote binary that chain-loads Xposed stuff or something like that. But I'd need to first find out what exactly Xposed Zygote does differently, and go through trial and error with modifying zygote sources to find what actually trips it.
Root Explorer & AutoRun Receiver modification How to? (Going from SuperSu to Magisk)
I'm old school, using SuperSu, looking at a new phone will have to use Magisk. I understand it is systemless still unsure if i can do what I did prior with SuperSu like running root explorer and making changes to the system partition files does not appear to be as simple as it was with SuperSu. A thread mentioned that a module is needed. Can someone explain to me in detail what is required to make a change to a system file and if my understanding is correct I can't just fire up Root Explorer and make the changes on the fly?
This also ties to other apps like AutoRun which I use to manage all the receivers for all the apps and system apps. How can this be achieved with Magisk which is systemless root?
SuperSU is systemless root, just as Magisk is... What most get confused about is that Magisk also can do systemless system modifications.
The only time you would run into any trouble would be if you have a Magisk module mounting the same file(s) you want to edit manually. Other than that it shouldn't be any different. It's just root by different names...
You only need to use modules if you want to do systemless modifications (which has a few advantages, like being easy to revert, sticking across system updates, etc).
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Didgeridoohan said:
SuperSU is systemless root, just as Magisk is... What most get confused about is that Magisk also can do systemless system modifications.
The only time you would run into any trouble would be if you have a Magisk module mounting the same file(s) you want to edit manually. Other than that it shouldn't be any different. It's just root by different names...
You only need to use modules if you want to do systemless modifications (which has a few advantages, like being easy to revert, sticking across system updates, etc).
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Thanks for that explanation, coming from SuperSu and reading the different threads and articles really does cause confusion.
So if I understand correctly, if I buy an S10, root it per the instructions i can use Root Explorer and Autorun & AdAway for example to make changes to system files and it will behave the same as SuperSu on older platforms?
You mentioned the benefits of systemless modifications is easy to revert, i guess for those that don't document changes or make a backup this is a benefit but i do both so it wouldn't make much sense for me.
But you touched on something important about sticking across system updates. If I manually edit the system files like I do in SuperSu, doesn't that render system updates obsolete because the phone is now rooted and system files have been modified and OTA updates no longer work? I assume by updates you mean manual updates and not OTA so I just want to confirm.
Another question regarding manually changing system files how does that affect SafetyNet checks and Magisk ability to Hide root from banking apps. Would these still work if I use root explorer, AutoRun & Adaway for example?
Thanks a lot
Correct, I'm talking about manual updates, not OTA (which won't work with a modified /system).
Most system edits you do will still make it possible to pass SafetyNet, but that all depends on what kind of edit you do. I don't have an example of any kind of edit that would trigger it though, so generally you should be safe.
There's actually another very good reason to start doing systemless modifications... From what @topjohnwu has been telling me it's actually going to be impossible to do manual modifications of /system starting from Android Q. I'm not even going to pretend to understand it all, but that's what he's apparently found while looking into rooting the Pixel 3/3XL on Q. It might not happen on all devices updating to Q (and knowing Samsung they'll likely come up with some sort of hybrid solution of their own), but that seems to be the future of Android modding.
arf8 said:
Thanks for that explanation, coming from SuperSu and reading the different threads and articles really does cause confusion.
So if I understand correctly, if I buy an S10, root it per the instructions i can use Root Explorer and Autorun & AdAway for example to make changes to system files and it will behave the same as SuperSu on older platforms?
You mentioned the benefits of systemless modifications is easy to revert, i guess for those that don't document changes or make a backup this is a benefit but i do both so it wouldn't make much sense for me.
But you touched on something important about sticking across system updates. If I manually edit the system files like I do in SuperSu, doesn't that render system updates obsolete because the phone is now rooted and system files have been modified and OTA updates no longer work? I assume by updates you mean manual updates and not OTA so I just want to confirm.
Another question regarding manually changing system files how does that affect SafetyNet checks and Magisk ability to Hide root from banking apps. Would these still work if I use root explorer, AutoRun & Adaway for example?
Thanks a lot
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Generally speaking if you touch (actual) system files you'll not pass SafetyNet anymore. Neither will be able to do OTA updates. Besides that you'll have to reapply all your changes if you update system manually.
That's where Magisk comes. During boot Magisk builds a new system and apply the changes (with modules) that you want on it, not touching the actual device system files. This is the "systemless" concept.
For instance on Magisk there's an option (a module) that will let edit hosts file systemless. That way you can use AdAway without problems, its hosts file will be replacing Magisk system hosts, but not the actual device system hosts.
In a nut shell and simple words it is this way:
device boots.
Magisk gets the actual system and clone it.
Magisk apply the changes you want - modules that you have installed or manually written on appropriate folder - to this system clone only.
You never touch actual device system.
Magisk this way can hide whole root and system changes to Google and other apps.
You can update OTA or manually with no worries. All your changes will be always reapplied by Magisk over whatever actual system you have.
If you want to change system files ( systemless) you can:
write a module and add it to Magisk Manager app
or with a file manager manually put some files on a specific folder of Magisk (same place that modules do)
or use some of the already available modules that let's you do some generic stuff (for instance edit props, debloat, systemize apps,...)
But if you really want to change your actual system (NOT systemless) sure you can. You can do that under recovery. Or you can do that with regular root file manager on a specific Magisk folder that is a link (mirror) to actual system.
All those folders and how to deal with them are explained on Magisk Github readme. Search there for file structure.
Didgeridoohan said:
SuperSU is systemless root, just as Magisk is... What most get confused about is that Magisk also can do systemless system modifications.
The only time you would run into any trouble would be if you have a Magisk module mounting the same file(s) you want to edit manually. Other than that it shouldn't be any different. It's just root by different names...
You only need to use modules if you want to do systemless modifications (which has a few advantages, like being easy to revert, sticking across system updates, etc).
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Didgeridoohan said:
Correct, I'm talking about manual updates, not OTA (which won't work with a modified /system).
Most system edits you do will still make it possible to pass SafetyNet, but that all depends on what kind of edit you do. I don't have an example of any kind of edit that would trigger it though, so generally you should be safe.
There's actually another very good reason to start doing systemless modifications... From what @topjohnwu has been telling me it's actually going to be impossible to do manual modifications of /system starting from Android Q. I'm not even going to pretend to understand it all, but that's what he's apparently found while looking into rooting the Pixel 3/3XL on Q. It might not happen on all devices updating to Q (and knowing Samsung they'll likely come up with some sort of hybrid solution of their own), but that seems to be the future of Android modding.
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Thanks again, very useful information.
The edits will be to XML files to tweak and mod the usual CSC open up hidden features, etc so hopefully that does not trigger SafetyNet.
I did read a little about Q on and Pixel 3. I believe he achieved root on Pixel 2. If this is the case it is a sad day for those of us who like to do mods the old fashion way.
With respect to doing these mods via systemless, i understand that modules have to be created. I assume this is a straight forward process? I've never dabbled in Magisk or its modules, if i want to make a simple change to an XML file is there a tutorial on how to do so and how the modules have to be loaded?
Thanks
arf8 said:
With respect to doing these mods via systemless, i understand that modules have to be created. I assume this is a straight forward process? I've never dabbled in Magisk or its modules, if i want to make a simple change to an XML file is there a tutorial on how to do so and how the modules have to be loaded?
Thanks
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It's quite easy to make modules, yes. @topjohnwu has it laid out pretty well in the docs:
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/guides.html
And it's all pretty well explained in the template files as well:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/magisk-module-installer
Basically you place the files in the same directory structure as you'd find them on your device's /system partition and Magisk will do the rest. And, this community is generally very helpful so if you ever need help getting a module together it's just a matter of asking. :good:
wilsonhlacerda said:
Generally speaking if you touch (actual) system files you'll not pass SafetyNet anymore. Neither will be able to do OTA updates. Besides that you'll have to reapply all your changes if you update system manually.
That's where Magisk comes. During boot Magisk builds a new system and apply the changes (with modules) that you want on it, not touching the actual device system files. This is the "systemless" concept.
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I thought based on the response from Didgeridoohan that touching some system files does not trigger safetynet?
wilsonhlacerda said:
For instance on Magisk there's an option (a module) that will let edit hosts file systemless. That way you can use AdAway without problems, its hosts file will be replacing Magisk system hosts, but not the actual device system hosts.
In a nut shell and simple words it is this way:
device boots.
Magisk gets the actual system and clone it.
Magisk apply the changes you want - modules that you have installed or manually written on appropriate folder - to this system clone only.
You never touch actual device system.
Magisk this way can hide whole root and system changes to Google and other apps.
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Thanks this makes sense, but how does one create a module for an application that modifies countless files. I get AdAway modifies the hosts file and changing xml files is easy enough to change because you know what file changed. But for a program like AutoRun Manager which changes countless program receivers, how do you make a module out of that? The application itself modifies countless files based on the changes made in the application. I don't assume everything can be done through a Systemless module or am I wrong?
wilsonhlacerda said:
You can update OTA or manually with no worries. All your changes will be always reapplied by Magisk over whatever actual system you have.
If you want to change system files ( systemless) you can:
write a module and add it to Magisk Manager app
or with a file manager manually put some files on a specific folder of Magisk (same place that modules do)
or use some of the already available modules that let's you do some generic stuff (for instance edit props, debloat, systemize apps,...)
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Understand on the updates if changes are done via systemless.
So if i copy a system file and place it in the specific folder of Magisk is there more required to make this a module. You will have to excuse my Magisk ignorance. I'll have to look at those modules to see how they made them and see if i can apply the same to the mods I want to do on single files but the bigger issue is on applications itself that modify multiple files like Autorun, Tasker, VPN clients etc.
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But if you really want to change your actual system (NOT systemless) sure you can. You can do that under recovery. Or you can do that with regular root file manager on a specific Magisk folder that is a link (mirror) to actual system.
All those folders and how to deal with them are explained on Magisk Github readme. Search there for file structure.
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Thanks I read through the readme at Github but I had more questions than answers.
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It's quite easy to make modules, yes. @topjohnwu has it laid out pretty well in the docs:
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/guides.html
And it's all pretty well explained in the template files as well:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/magisk-module-installer
Basically you place the files in the same directory structure as you'd find them on your device's /system partition and Magisk will do the rest. And, this community is generally very helpful so if you ever need help getting a module together it's just a matter of asking. :good:
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I will have to keep reading and looking at examples to make sure I understand. It seems pretty easy the way you put it by copying the file in the same directory structure but it seems like there is more to it than that?
My question is how do you apply systemless changes when it is not just a single file for example AutoRun manager that manages the Receivers of every single application in the phone which could be hundreds including system files. How do you make a module or systemless change at this point? Perhaps I should stick with what I know from the SuperSu days and let the application do its job and not upgrade to Q. Mind you I'm on a rooted S6edge with SuperSu on PingPong exploit so I'm very familiar with this phones file systems and documented all my changes but I also rely on many applications to do the changes through their front end.
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I will have to keep reading and looking at examples to make sure I understand. It seems pretty easy the way you put it by copying the file in the same directory structure but it seems like there is more to it than that?
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No, that's basically it. Put the files in the proper place in the zip, flash it in the Manager or recovery and you're good to go. Or, you could even do it manually while booted by creating the module directory under /data/adb/modules_update. There you can then place the module.prop file (so that the module is recognised by the Manager) and a /system (and/or /system/vendor) directory where you put all the files you want to replace with your own. Reboot, and voila.
My question is how do you apply systemless changes when it is not just a single file for example AutoRun manager that manages the Receivers of every single application in the phone which could be hundreds including system files. How do you make a module or systemless change at this point? Perhaps I should stick with what I know from the SuperSu days and let the application do its job and not upgrade to Q. Mind you I'm on a rooted S6edge with SuperSu on PingPong exploit so I'm very familiar with this phones file systems and documented all my changes but I also rely on many applications to do the changes through their front end.
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Does the app in question actually edit the system and/or vendor partitions? Or is it simply updating system settings that are found elsewhere? If it's the latter it doesn't really matter...
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No, that's basically it. Put the files in the proper place in the zip, flash it in the Manager or recovery and you're good to go. Or, you could even do it manually while booted by creating the module directory under /data/adb/modules_update. There you can then place the module.prop file (so that the module is recognised by the Manager) and a /system (and/or /system/vendor) directory where you put all the files you want to replace with your own. Reboot, and voila.
Does the app in question actually edit the system and/or vendor partitions? Or is it simply updating system settings that are found elsewhere? If it's the latter it doesn't really matter...
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It sounds very simple the way you put it. I looked for some examples on XDA to see if I understand the changes but what threw me off for example on this one below is that the changes are being made to the build.prop file but I don't see a build.prop in any of the folders? instead there is a system.prop?
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Grave/voenabler
That is a great question, i don't know to be honest, I do know the app does require root to function in making changes to system files so lets assume the former instead of the latter. Does that mean Magisk can no longer "hide root" if this app is used?
How about Ti backup or more specifically flash fire? Currently I have flashfire backups for any major change I make so if something goes south i recover the entire phone using this tool. Its a beautiful tool for creating snapshots and full recovery, no config needed. I don't suppose it will work any longer with systemless option?
This is just my ignorance as I read more I have more questions, but supersu for example exploited vulnerabilities to achieve root. Is Magisk actually exploiting any vulnerabilities or simply taking advantage of the fact the bootloader is unlocked and therefore it mimics various system partitions to give you a faux root? I'm trying to understand if there is no actual vulnerability to exploit like PingPong in Lollipop for example how can I make changes manually to the system files using Root Explorer? On my S6 Edge it has a locked bootloader, but I still have root access with SuperSu via an exploit, I don't think this is possible with Magisk b/c the bootloader is locked so is Magisk really root?
thanks again for your patience but I'm sure this will come up for anyone doing from SuperSu to Magisk
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It sounds very simple the way you put it. I looked for some examples on XDA to see if I understand the changes but what threw me off for example on this one below is that the changes are being made to the build.prop file but I don't see a build.prop in any of the folders? instead there is a system.prop?
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Grave/voenabler
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Whenever Magisk changes a prop value that you normally would find in build.prop it doesn't actually alter the file, but instead loads a new value in the old ones place. That's done with the resetprop tool and Magisk reads the system.prop file during boot to load the new values.
That is a great question, i don't know to be honest, I do know the app does require root to function in making changes to system files so lets assume the former instead of the latter. Does that mean Magisk can no longer "hide root" if this app is used?
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As mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of what kind of edits you make... But any edit that's not been done through Magisk cannot be hidden by MagiskHide.
How about Ti backup or more specifically flash fire? Currently I have flashfire backups for any major change I make so if something goes south i recover the entire phone using this tool. Its a beautiful tool for creating snapshots and full recovery, no config needed. I don't suppose it will work any longer with systemless option?
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There's a very real chance that Flashfire will not work. This is simply because it is practically abandoned and as far as I know @Chainfire has no interest in spending the considerable effort it would take to get it up to speed with the current Android situation.
This is just my ignorance as I read more I have more questions, but supersu for example exploited vulnerabilities to achieve root. Is Magisk actually exploiting any vulnerabilities or simply taking advantage of the fact the bootloader is unlocked and therefore it mimics various system partitions to give you a faux root? I'm trying to understand if there is no actual vulnerability to exploit like PingPong in Lollipop for example how can I make changes manually to the system files using Root Explorer? On my S6 Edge it has a locked bootloader, but I still have root access with SuperSu via an exploit, I don't think this is possible with Magisk b/c the bootloader is locked so is Magisk really root?
thanks again for your patience but I'm sure this will come up for anyone doing from SuperSu to Magisk
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Magisk does not use any exploits and you will have to unlock your bootloader to install it. There is nothing faux about MagiskSU. It's just as real as any other root solution you'll find out there...
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Whenever Magisk changes a prop value that you normally would find in build.prop it doesn't actually alter the file, but instead loads a new value in the old ones place. That's done with the resetprop tool and Magisk reads the system.prop file during boot to load the new values.
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Makes sense, i was looking for build.prop
As mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of what kind of edits you make... But any edit that's not been done through Magisk cannot be hidden by MagiskHide.
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understand
There's a very real chance that Flashfire will not work. This is simply because it is practically abandoned and as far as I know @Chainfire has no interest in spending the considerable effort it would take to get it up to speed with the current Android situation.
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This is probably the most disheartening to hear as I'm not sure what other alternative there is to make a complete snapshot. I assume TWRP but i'm not familiar enough with it and it does not work with the S10.
Magisk does not use any exploits and you will have to unlock your bootloader to install it. There is nothing faux about MagiskSU. It's just as real as any other root solution you'll find out there...
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Again my ignorance is getting the better of me here so bear with me. SuperSu used the PingPong kernel exploit in Lollipop to achieve root, regardless if it had a locked/unlocked bootloader. How does Magisk actually achieve root on the S10 and provide elevated privileges if it is not exploiting a known vulnerability? Or is it exploiting a vulnerability? Is my assumption not correct that because the bootloader is unlocked, it is simply (over simplifying) make a copy of the system partitions and than gives you the impression you have root?
Very enlightening information.
Upon further reading, it looks like Magisk zip contains the su binary which gives you root access without having to exploit a vulnerability so it only works with unlocked bootloader.
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Again my ignorance is getting the better of me here so bear with me. SuperSu used the PingPong kernel exploit in Lollipop to achieve root, regardless if it had a locked/unlocked bootloader. How does Magisk actually achieve root on the S10 and provide elevated privileges if it is not exploiting a known vulnerability? Or is it exploiting a vulnerability? Is my assumption not correct that because the bootloader is unlocked, it is simply (over simplifying) make a copy of the system partitions and than gives you the impression you have root?
Very enlightening information.
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Upon further reading, it looks like Magisk zip contains the su binary which gives you root access without having to exploit a vulnerability so it only works with unlocked bootloader.
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Mornin'.
Correctamundo... No exploits, no vulnerabilities, just old-fashioned root.
Besides the su binary, Magisk also needs to modify the boot image, or in the S10's and some other modern devices case the recovery image. That's why we need to have the bootloader unlocked, to flash the modified file to the boot/recovery partition.
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Whenever Magisk changes a prop value that you normally would find in build.prop it doesn't actually alter the file, but instead loads a new value in the old ones place. That's done with the resetprop tool and Magisk reads the system.prop file during boot to load the new values.
As mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of what kind of edits you make... But any edit that's not been done through Magisk cannot be hidden by MagiskHide.
There's a very real chance that Flashfire will not work. This is simply because it is practically abandoned and as far as I know @Chainfire has no interest in spending the considerable effort it would take to get it up to speed with the current Android situation.
Magisk does not use any exploits and you will have to unlock your bootloader to install it. There is nothing faux about MagiskSU. It's just as real as any other root solution you'll find out there...
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Mornin'.
Correctamundo... No exploits, no vulnerabilities, just old-fashioned root.
Besides the su binary, Magisk also needs to modify the boot image, or in the S10's and some other modern devices case the recovery image. That's why we need to have the bootloader unlocked, to flash the modified file to the boot/recovery partition.
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Thanks as usual for the confirmation.
To summarize & correct me if I'm wrong, but the take away for anyone else coming from SuperSu to Magisk who read this thread, is that you will still be able to modify the system files the same old fashion way with apps like Root Explorer, caveat pre-Q (upcoming Android OS), but you give up the ability to Hide Root, which is one the key features what Magisk is known for. Otherwise you can go the modules route which is "systemless" and maintain the ability to hide root.
Does that sound right?
For those like me who are used to the old fashion way of tweaking it will take some getting used to modules and creating them. The problem or issue becomes older style apps which can't be adopted to modules is where the issue arises for systemless conversion. I learned a lot so I appreciate your feedback. If you ask me some of this info should be sticky'd somewhere.
You've almost got it... Even with most old-fashioned system modifications you should be able to hide root. The problem arises if you do some kind of edit that apps looking for root usually look for, like installing Busybox. But that specific case shouldn't be an issue, since there's a Busybox module available in the Magisk repo.
Actually, many if the things you'd normally edit after having rooted can be done through Magisk modules already available.
Debloating - use Debloater.
Systemising apps - use App Systemizer.
Editing build.prop and other prop values- use MagiskHide Props Config.
Hosts adblocking - use the built-in systemless hosts module (Manager settings) and AdAway (or your hosts editor of choice).
Etc...
Thanks, I do have busybox installed so I will use the Module for sure and all the other modules you mentioned. The concern is applications themselves like AutoRun for example and I'm sure more. But good to know the option is there to manually make changes like the old fashion way if you are not concerned about hiding or passing safetynet. I personally don't have anything I want to hide, using this method will trip knox so samsung pay on the phone is out the door. Setting up Samsung Pay on a Gear watch is a different story so that will be beneficial.
In regards to adblocking, are you saying you can use the built-in systemless hosts module and also install the Adaway apk like you normally would? Does it require a modified version of the Adaway app or the regular apk for F-Droid for example will work fine?
One final question since we touched on this earlier. Since FlashFire will not work and TWRP is not an option. What is an alternative for taking a complete snapshot of your phone for backup and recovery?
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In regards to adblocking, are you saying you can use the built-in systemless hosts module and also install the Adaway apk like you normally would? Does it require a modified version of the Adaway app or the regular apk for F-Droid for example will work fine?
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Yup. Enable the option in the Magisk Manager and reboot. After that Adaway (the regular one from F-Droid) will not touch /system.
One final question since we touched on this earlier. Since FlashFire will not work and TWRP is not an option. What is an alternative for taking a complete snapshot of your phone for backup and recovery?
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I'm assuming you mean to get the Exynos version of the S10 (since you won't be able to unlock the bootloader otherwise), so: https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxys10.html
But, I'm not the right person to ask about full snapshot backups... I never do that (haven't for years), but instead make sure that any important data (photos, etc) always is backed up to the cloud. The rest is easy to set up again after a reset (and a reset is good to do once in a while).
Hi all.
Noob here on the forum, my very first post so i am not allowed to post this where i imagine this would belong - the 'Original Android development'. That's why it is posted here.
First of all, i wish to express my sincere gratitude to all you people that work hard on making it possible for rest of us mortals to make the best of those small devices that somehow managed to become so big parts of our lives.. I have been following the forum for a while and been using some things posted here to fiddle with several devices without actually bricking any of them as yet. And this is the first time i felt the need of actually asking for help and/or guidelines.
Anyhew - here's the thing: i still run a N910F on stock marshmallow as my main device. (Please no lectures about this). And lately i came to really, really resent mr.Google. I did make a Lineage version of the Android Pie work together with microG (without google), and that actually is rather sweet, runs smooth as silk. I run that on my backup N910F device. (Ok, so i am a Note 4 freek, sue me).
But for different reasons, actually mainly because i really appreciate the s-pen, i want to continue using stock rom on my daily driver so now i am looking for a google-free version of the stock marshmallow for the N910F (trlte) model. I tried to find it here on the forum, but i couldn't, or i couldn't understand the terminology. Haven't found in the rest of the internet either. So i would appreciate if somebody here could either:
1. point me to the direction of such a version if it's already existing, or
2. give me very specific information as to how i could de-google the stock rom by myself. Either on the device or in Windows. I haven't used adb or fastboot yet, but perhaps i could learn if i don't have to take a class in engineering first…
Or could i simply use Titanium backup and just delete (freeze first of course) all the apps that have 'google' in their name?
The third option is perhaps that some kind sould de-googles the stock rom for me and lets me download it. I would donate, of course.
I would really appreciate all the pointers you could give me.
Regards,
prkfsz
Nope, the N910F stock firmwares are definitely not de-Googled. Flash one for yourself and see. I would recommend flashing a LineageOS/AOSP-based ROM, they are generally Google-free.
If you are really insistent on running stock, then do this to completely de-Google it:
In Titanium backup, search for 'goo', this will find almost all Google apps on the ROM. Uninstall them.
Also, download the latest OpenGapps ARM 6.0 nano zip from opengapps.org. Extract the gapps-remove.txt file from the zip. Use the contents of that file as a reference, find all the files listed in it, manually delete them. The reason for this is that Titanium will miss some things.
Now you should be mostly if not entirely Google-free.
Once you have done that, you can optionally patch your ROM for signature spoofing support, and install MicroG, which is an open source Google Play Services alternative. These 2 steps are optional, your choice.
Very simple. I've done this before, things will work fine overall. But some things (apps) requiring Google components may not work correctly, if at all. MicroG can help mitigate this to an extent. You've been warned.
I'm running Resurrection Remix Nougat v5.8.5 (Android 7.1.2), SPen works fine here. Every app I've tested that can use the pen, works fine. There is really no reason to stay with stock just for pen functionality. I also like the huge amount of customization options that RR has compared to stock. And I can use Substratum (no go on stock) with all black themes, for battery savings.
Thank you! Wasn't aware of the google-remove.txt file within gapps. Will definitelly use it. Otherwise it's like i thought: use Titanium and just go loose on everything that starts with 'go'...
I know about microG and use it regularly. Happy customer…
I do like stock marshmallow on note 4 and want to run it as long as it can go. I will perhaps try the RR nougat you suggested on the backup unit. Even tho i am in no particular need of customisation.
Thanx again.
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Thank you! Wasn't aware of the google-remove.txt file within gapps. Will definitelly use it. Otherwise it's like i thought: use Titanium and just go loose on everything that starts with 'go'...
I know about microG and use it regularly. Happy customer…
I do like stock marshmallow on note 4 and want to run it as long as it can go. I will perhaps try the RR nougat you suggested on the backup unit. Even tho i am in no particular need of customisation.
Thanx again.
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You might find this of some interest.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-degoogle-device-install-microg-t4058743
I'm afraid i got stuck here and i need a bit further assistance.. :-/
Coming from stock marshmallow on Galaxy Note 4. I uninstalled google things first using Titanium. Then manually cleaned some leftovers using file manager in TWRP (not sure i did the right way), altho it looked quite empty in the /system map. Another time erased just the Google Play-services before going to TWRPs file manager and it looked just as empty. At both occasions i lost auto-rotate. Is this normal?
After deleting all the google (and in the second try only google play services app) i tried just for the heck of it to run the Nanodroid patch file but i got an error message that it couldnt deodex services.jar file, which was pretty much expected. My skills are not sufficient for deodexing files so i tried other approaches for patching. Smalipatcher - the damn thing couldn't even see i had admin privileges in Win no matter what i did and just refused to run alltogether.
Then i tried the link that was put here by @MrJavi in the post above (thank you sir!). Did everything as the tutorial says, got no error message, everything seemed to run smooth and the apps i chose were installed. (altho TWRP did freeze a couple of times during aroma setup so i had to reset by taking out the battery). When i wanted to set up the microG settings, the microG icon and the app is nowhere to be found. The modul named NanoDroid exists and is activ in Magisk, but it's not possible to open it.
Last, but not least of course, i tryied patching with fake gapps module in Xposed, but Xposed of course does not want to play nice with mr.Samsung. Even when i try and run Xposed from Magisk...
Not sure how to proceed from here.. I'm thinking of switching my starting point to the already deodexed version of marshmallow i thought i saw around here, because it would be easier to patch.
If it's still out there available for download, which i don't take for granted anymore nowadays..
But i would like to make it work on my device anyway. So, if anyone has any ideas, they will be so welcome.
Perhaps Samsung knox is causing issues with Xposed framework/installer. The link below is for a different "Samy" but the the Knox remover is a flashablw .zip made specifically for the Note 4 .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....-how-to-deodex-root-remove-knox-t3458921/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....al/toad-source-android-deodexer-t3848307/amp/
Always take a full Nandroid backup by checking all partition beforehand and save to your external sd card. You can then choose to flaah an Aroma Google debloater .zip .
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking/aroma-google-services-debloater-t3668456
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Perhaps Samsung knox is causing issues with Xposed framework/installer. The link below is for a different "Samy" but the the Knox remover is a flashablw .zip made specifically for the Note 4 .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....-how-to-deodex-root-remove-knox-t3458921/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....al/toad-source-android-deodexer-t3848307/amp/
Always take a full Nandroid backup by checking all partition beforehand and save to your external sd card. You can then choose to flaah an Aroma Google debloater .zip .
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking/aroma-google-services-debloater-t3668456
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wow, those were really some good links! thanks, @mr.javi. However....
tried the first link and to work with firmware but the ext4uninstaller does not want to recognize the ext4 file (wtf??), regardless from where i download the software and regardless what ext4 file and from what firmware (tested a few), and without that part working it was pretty much impossible to go on. So i ran only the deknoxing tool through twrp. No error. But still when i try and install the xposed - boom! it will not boot. Not even damn zip uninstaller for magisk will work as it should..
Tried the second link with the TOAD. Weird: some versions get recognized as malware by my antivirus and windows does not want to run other versions for safety reasons. Strange..
Tried the third and that de-googling script is rather sweet.
But my conclusion from all this is that it is not so hard to exorcise the google, but to patch the rom in the next step... If i understand correctly i have to get the rom deodexed first to be able to patch it with nanodroid?
I tried some deodexing tools on pc, but i'm not really sure if i'm doing it correctly. I take it i have to copy some folders (/apps, /framework and one more) from the phone to the computer to work with them there, but i get error message when i try to copy files through file manager in twrp. Am i supposed to do it some other way? And can you do that directly in the phone? I tried an app called 3c -all in one-toolbox that has native option of deodexing but i get error message there, something about classes i think, i don't remember and i can't see it now cause the phone is just being reflashed..
Any more thoughts and ideas? As usual, grateful for anything you can give me.
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Once you have done that, you can optionally patch your ROM for signature spoofing support, and install MicroG, which is an open source Google Play Services alternative. These 2 steps are optional, your choice.
Very simple. I've done this before, things will work fine overall. But some things (apps) requiring Google components may not work correctly, if at all. MicroG can help mitigate this to an extent. You've been warned.
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HOW?! did you manage to patch it??
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wow, those were really some good links! thanks, @mr.javi. However....
tried the first link and to work with firmware but the ext4uninstaller does not want to recognize the ext4 file (wtf??), regardless from where i download the software and regardless what ext4 file and from what firmware (tested a few), and without that part working it was pretty much impossible to go on. So i ran only the deknoxing tool through twrp. No error. But still when i try and install the xposed - boom! it will not boot. Not even damn zip uninstaller for magisk will work as it should..
Tried the second link with the TOAD. Weird: some versions get recognized as malware by my antivirus and windows does not want to run other versions for safety reasons. Strange..
Tried the third and that de-googling script is rather sweet.
But my conclusion from all this is that it is not so hard to exorcise the google, but to patch the rom in the next step... If i understand correctly i have to get the rom deodexed first to be able to patch it with nanodroid?
I tried some deodexing tools on pc, but i'm not really sure if i'm doing it correctly. I take it i have to copy some folders (/apps, /framework and one more) from the phone to the computer to work with them there, but i get error message when i try to copy files through file manager in twrp. Am i supposed to do it some other way? And can you do that directly in the phone? I tried an app called 3c -all in one-toolbox that has native option of deodexing but i get error message there, something about classes i think, i don't remember and i can't see it now cause the phone is just being reflashed..
Any more thoughts and ideas? As usual, grateful for anything you can give me.
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You're very welcome @prkfsz
https://mtkcustomroms.com/deodex-stock-rom-custom-rom-without-pc-2018/
https://how-to-easily-deodex-android-stock-rom-without-pc/
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You're very welcome @prkfsz
https://mtkcustomroms.com/deodex-stock-rom-custom-rom-without-pc-2018/
https://************/how-to-easily-deodex-android-stock-rom-without-pc/
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Thanx again, @Mr. JAVI! :good:
Both links are about the same app and i've tried that one recently, so it seems like we think rather alike.
I get the exact same error message like the guy that wrote that one comment at the bottom of the second link (error saying "needs rebuild classes.dex").
And strangely enough when i open the deodexing window in the app it says that of the number of apps in the rom not all are odexed (says something like "deodexed 124/187"), which is rather perplexing because it's on the freshly installed stock (from nandroid backup directly after factory reset). So I tried to fool the app and get all the apps odexed first, but that didn't fly either..
Btw, thanks for the advice before - i always back the device upp (all partitions) before messing with it.. I forgot to do that on one device before and instantly regretted it..
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Edit: the second link in your last post was dead so i tried to correct it in my message, but xda forum doesn't like that.
Tried to post in the right link here in the message too, but that didn't work either for some reason.
but searching the phrase 'how to easily deodex Android stock rom without pc' will give you the first search result.
Oat2dex.jar
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....eral/tool-deodex-tool-android-l-t2972025/amp/
https://github.com/testwhat/SmaliEx/releases
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Thanx again, @Mr. JAVI! :good:
Both links are about the same app and i've tried that one recently, so it seems like we think rather alike.
I get the exact same error message like the guy that wrote that one comment at the bottom of the second link (error saying "needs rebuild classes.dex").
And strangely enough when i open the deodexing window in the app it says that of the number of apps in the rom not all are odexed (says something like "deodexed 124/187"), which is rather perplexing because it's on the freshly installed stock (from nandroid backup directly after factory reset). So I tried to fool the app and get all the apps odexed first, but that didn't fly either..
Btw, thanks for the advice before - i always back the device upp (all partitions) before messing with it.. I forgot to do that on one device before and instantly regretted it..
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Edit: the second link in your last post was dead so i tried to correct it in my message, but xda forum doesn't like that.
Tried to post in the right link here in the message too, but that didn't work either for some reason.
but searching the phrase 'how to easily deodex Android stock rom without pc' will give you the first search result.
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Well to tell you the truth, even a full Nandroid backup couldn't fix a dm-verity/drk issue on one of my Note 4's. Up until then I have always recovered from softbricking my devices. Stubborn as I am, I spent hours and hours and hours o no avail. I connected my other N4 but still kept trying to revive my old N4. It wasn't until a year and a half later, assisting another member that I came across a possible solution and it worked. Spent more time than my old N4 was worth but my record is untarnished non the less. lol I sure hope you never ever encounter either of thoughts @prkfsz .
Mr. JAVI said:
Oat2dex.jar
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....eral/tool-deodex-tool-android-l-t2972025/amp/
https://github.com/testwhat/SmaliEx/releases
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Well to tell you the truth, even a full Nandroid backup couldn't fix a dm-verity/drk issue on one of my Note 4's. Up until then I have always recovered from softbricking my devices. Stubborn as I am, I spent hours and hours and hours o no avail. I connected my other N4 but still kept trying to revive my old N4. It wasn't until a year and a half later, assisting another member that I came across a possible solution and it worked. Spent more time than my old N4 was worth but my record is untarnished non the less. lol I sure hope you never ever encounter either of thoughts @prkfsz .
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And i thought i was stubborn for this, insisting on tweaking an age-old os and spending hours on looking for solutions.. thank you!
Not sure about what that issue you mentioned was, since i'm not really on that experience level, but i'm sure it was a mean one.. lol Good job of fixing it! I ended up a few times in similar situations (not with that high level issues apparently) and i just couldn't let go untill i resolved them or bricked them completelly... Luckily haven't bricked anything even tho i play mostly with older devices so it wouldn't be such a waste. But as you too apparently feel - unblemished record is a matter of pride..
And yes, i too recently understood that nandroid backup isn't allmighty - it can't for instance save certain safety settings, fingerprints and such. I always thought of nandroid backup like a 'clone' feature on PC. Loved that..
Aanyhew - back to business.
I hit the wall here again, the same one as with Fulmics deodexer. It's not that it isn't working, it's that i don't know how to point it to the right maps for deodexing.
As far as i understand, i have to copy those 3 folders from the phone to the PC, do the deodexing on the pc, and then move back to the phone and replace the original folders. Is this correct? I tried doing this in TWRPs file manager using micro sd card, but i gott error message that it wouldn't copy all the files for some reason. Should i use some other method of copying those folders to the PC?
Perhaps a stupid question but is there any way to let the deodexer on the pc find the folders directly on the phone?
As always - a huge thank you from the struggling noob, @Mr. JAVI. :good:
Perhaps this is the Xposed framework and installer that might be compatible with your N910f
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/themes-apps/unofficial-xposed-v87-3-magisk-v18-t3897017/amp/
As far as TWRP you might be able to patch it and save internal data with Tipatch apk. The drawback is you backups will be much larger.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....pp-twrp-tipatch-backup-internal-t3831217/amp/
PS: Thsnks for the compliment my friend but I'm still learning. Modifications is just a hobby of mine. We learn from each other here on XDA.
PC : skills are not my strong point . Your skills with PC far
exceed your ability. I actually bought a laptop years ago, just so I could flash TWRP Odin and root . The complete ssd laptop cost alot more than my Note 4. I port or create my own flashable .zips. Although, I've never been faced with having to deodex a custom rom, simply because there readily available from the developers on xda for the n910p. Sucks there hasn't been one developed for your n910f.
Something posted by @IBNobody
"Anything past Magisk v15.3 will not pass SafetyNet on QI5.*
Magisk v15.4+ added a check in its Magiskhide subsystem that looks a service (logd) to be loaded. That service is not running on our stock or slightly modified QI5 build. If this service check fails, Magiskhide does not get loaded. If Magiskhide is not running, it can't hide Magisk from the SafetyNet checks.
(You'll know if this is affecting you because the Magisk Manager app won't remember any settings you make in the Magisk Hide tab.)*
Our only options are:
1. Build our own fork of Magisk that skips this check.
2. Enable logd by modifying the init.rc file in boot.img. (logd is commented out. I have not tried un-commenting it.)
3. Remain on v15.3."
DQ15 is the Sprint firmware 6.0.1 and not n910f but it could be the same with yours as well.
A slightly lower version Xpoaed framework api 23
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=529152257862685344
Mr. JAVI said:
Perhaps this is the Xposed framework and installer that might be compatible with your N910f
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/themes-apps/unofficial-xposed-v87-3-magisk-v18-t3897017/amp/
As far as TWRP you might be able to patch it and save internal data with Tipatch apk. The drawback is you backups will be much larger.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....pp-twrp-tipatch-backup-internal-t3831217/amp/
PS: Thsnks for the compliment my friend but I'm still learning. Modifications is just a hobby of mine. We learn from each other here on XDA.
PC : skills are not my strong point . Your skills with PC far
exceed your ability. I actually bought a laptop years ago, just so I could flash TWRP Odin and root . The complete ssd laptop cost alot more than my Note 4. I port or create my own flashable .zips. Although, I've never been faced with having to deodex a custom rom, simply because there readily available from the developers on xda for the n910p. Sucks there hasn't been one developed for your n910f.
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Laptop cost way over Note 4? I see i'm not the only one..... ehh, let's say determined bloke around here haha.. Hope it was worth it.. And btw creating your own flashable zips is way above my level of skills, i can tell you that, my friend. Never did that, nor am i planning to. But since i am stubborn (or so i've heard.. lol) and i feel uttermost distaste for mrGoogle and, like you said, noone has apparently done the deodexing the stock N910F - I am simply forced to take matters into my own hands. Flashing a pie and microG is ... apparently too easy. Besides, i am already running that on one of my spare Note 4s.. And i appreciate xda, just like you say people can give each other a hand. What i dislike tho is lots of dead download links... Oh, well..
ok, back to business again.
I guess i am going to need a more detailed help now.
I tried with that version of Framework you linked to. At that page the link for Xposed installer app for Magisk is dead. Tried to play a little with the other file, the version 87.3 of Xposed and just flashed it in TWRP, but nothing happens.
As far as the Tipatch, excuse my ignorance but i have to ask here: what difference would it make for deodexing to be able to copy internal storage? I am thinking it's other folders that need to be copied, like /system.
Apart from that, i love the idea of Tipatch! Will install it anyway.
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I am beginning to realize that there are not many reasonable options left, since i'm not sure it is worth much more time and effort on my part. I am not going to be an engineer over this..
So there is but one more question to perhaps get solved before i run out of options and go with custom Pie anyway.
And that is - how do i copy the needed 3 folders intact to PC for deodexing software? I can't find that information anywhere together with this pc based deodexers.
Oh well. I have vague memory of ES file manager being mentioned somewhere. So i guess that will be my last attempt before i give up. Unless some new solution emerges.
Mr. JAVI said:
Something posted by @IBNobody
"Anything past Magisk v15.3 will not pass SafetyNet on QI5.*
Magisk v15.4+ added a check in its Magiskhide subsystem that looks a service (logd) to be loaded. That service is not running on our stock or slightly modified QI5 build. If this service check fails, Magiskhide does not get loaded. If Magiskhide is not running, it can't hide Magisk from the SafetyNet checks.
(You'll know if this is affecting you because the Magisk Manager app won't remember any settings you make in the Magisk Hide tab.)*
Our only options are:
1. Build our own fork of Magisk that skips this check.
2. Enable logd by modifying the init.rc file in boot.img. (logd is commented out. I have not tried un-commenting it.)
3. Remain on v15.3."
DQ15 is the Sprint firmware 6.0.1 and not n910f but it could be the same with yours as well.
A slightly lower version Xpoaed framework api 23
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=529152257862685344
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Ok, i managed to actually copy the system directory from the phone to the pc using Root explorer app. And none of the deodexers work. Fulmics says it needs smali and baksmali versions over 2.2 even tho i fed it with versions 2.4. SVADeodexerforart runs through all the files without actually doing anything. Logfile shows error 'cannot acces jar file' on all 300+ files.
So i believe this is it for me at this point. I just can't see how further struggle would be meaningsfull since it would just take even more time and i already invested way too much of it on this. But i guess being stubborn has it's price.. :silly:
I want to extend my sincere gratitude, @Mr. JAVI, for your patience, tips and guidelines. I think if it wasn't for you i would given up much quicker.. Which perhaps would've been a smart thing to do... But i wouldn't learn anything..
We will probably bump into each other more times here, since we seem to share the common affection towards a certain gadget.
all the best to you
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Ok, i managed to actually copy the system directory from the phone to the pc using Root explorer app. And none of the deodexers work. Fulmics says it needs smali and baksmali versions over 2.2 even tho i fed it with versions 2.4. SVADeodexerforart runs through all the files without actually doing anything. Logfile shows error 'cannot acces jar file' on all 300+ files.
So i believe this is it for me at this point. I just can't see how further struggle would be meaningsfull since it would just take even more time and i already invested way too much of it on this. But i guess being stubborn has it's price.. :silly:
I want to extend my sincere gratitude, @Mr. JAVI, for your patience, tips and guidelines. I think if it wasn't for you i would given up much quicker.. Which perhaps would've been a smart thing to do... But i wouldn't learn anything..
We will probably bump into each other more times here, since we seem to share the common affection towards a certain gadget.
all the best to you
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I am just one of the "common folk". One of my hobbies is modifying my rooted Note 4. I have learned from my failures as well. The creating custom zips is not as hard as you think, in fact it was a failed camera .zip fash that ended in FC's. I came up with an idea to take the previous working camera .zip. left the meta-imf and replaced tge rest with an N7 camera from another rom and fkashed it. It's much easier explained with screen shots.
One of my favourite apps is ZArchiver apk. Downliad it and you'll see why. Ext4, tar, zip, roms, jar, apks and more. Freaking Awesome!!!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...pk&pcampaignid=APPU_1_YUIBX4STE-aD9PwPh7ylmAg
Its like gold and did I mention free? lol
Welcome to XDA @prkfsz
Mr. JAVI said:
I am just one of the "common folk". One of my hobbies is modifying my rooted Note 4. I have learned from my failures as well. The creating custom zips is not as hard as you think, in fact it was a failed camera .zip fash that ended in FC's. I came up with an idea to take the previous working camera .zip. left the meta-imf and replaced tge rest with an N7 camera from another rom and fkashed it. It's much easier explained with screen shots.
One of my favourite apps is ZArchiver apk. Downliad it and you'll see why. Ext4, tar, zip, roms, jar, apks and more. Freaking Awesome!!!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...pk&pcampaignid=APPU_1_YUIBX4STE-aD9PwPh7ylmAg
Its like gold and did I mention free? lol
Welcome to XDA @prkfsz
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Why thank you good sir, @Mr. JAVI! :good:
Every noob should get this friendly a welcome..
See? All that meta-inf, FC-talk is a bit over my lever right now. But i will check out your tool. Might come in handy for some future project. And free it is you say? Sold! haha
As for this project i had, i had to abandon it for now. I realized it wasn't the degoogling that was the problem, but the patching afterwards, and the deodexing that turned out to be downright impossible to get done. And it just gotten too time-consuming in relation to how much time i actually have and how much win i would get out of it. So i took the easy way for now and i went with the custom Pie. I do want the audio from the headphones..
@prkfsz: I used Tingle patch to integrate signature spoofing. You have a few options:
Tingle patch (requires deodexed framework.jar)
Needle patch (requires deodexed framework.jar)
Nanodroid patcher (requires deodexed services.jar)
Haystack patch (requires deodexed services.jar)
Smali patcher (services.jar can be odexed or deodexed, it will deodex and patch the file for you)
FakeGApps (requires Xposed)
Options 1/2/4/5 require a PC. Options 3/6 can be done on device without PC.
Hope this helps!
I don't really have a lot of time to go into detail, but if either of you are looking for a comprehensive way to properly deodex a ROM, check out SuperR's Kitchen. There a free and paid/donate versions. The free version can do what you want just fine.
I had recently used this to deodex the latest stock MM UK firmware for the N910F. In addition to deodexing, the Kitchen can also customize your ROM, and even build a zip that you can flash in TWRP. It flashed and booted fine for me. Once you have done this, you can debloat the ROM (or let the Kitchen do it for you). It won't remove all Google stuff by default, but you can configure it to delete pretty much any file/directory in the system partition. My advice is to use the Kitchen's debloater/Knox removal features, then use gapps-remove.txt and a root file manager to delete the rest. Once you have debloated/deodexed, you can then easily signature spoof patch with any of the tools I mentioned in my previous post.
I have also discovered that you can also run the Tingle patch without a PC, by using QPython3 app. Just supply the deodexed framework.jar and build.prop, it will do the rest. Grab the Tingle master zip from GitHub, unpack it into QPython3's scripts directory on the internal storage, then provide the 2 files into input folder, and run main.py from within the app. You will find the patched jar file in output folder, replace your ROM's framework.jar with the patched one. Use Signature Spoofing Checker to confirm that it worked. I don't think root is required, but it's better to have it anyway, just enable root in QPython3 settings.
Some last notes: don't use Titanium to debloat Google apps, it may also remove some needed shared library files that Android uses. Namely, a library file called libgnustl_shared.so, which will cause autorotation to not work. Use Titanium to determine the locations of Google apps, then delete them manually. This will keep the shared library files while still deleting the apps. On top of this, use gapps-remove.txt.
But while you are debloating, there may be 2 Google apps present that you should not remove, period:
/system/app/WebViewGoogle
/system/priv-app/GooglePackageInstaller
The first is needed by Android and apps to provide webview functionality (this might not sound important, but it is). The 2nd is needed to install apps, remove it and you won't be able to install any app from anywhere (Play Store, manual APK install, etc).
On the subject of Xposed, do *NOT* install the Xposed installer from the Magisk Manager downloads. It isn't designed to work on stock Samsung MM firmware, you won't be able to boot. Use the custom Xposed by wanam (available on XDA). Or you can google for "Xposed kevintm78", this will come up with an AndroidFileHost link that you can install from Magisk. The latter is just a systemless Magisk version of Wanam's Xposed.