I just bought a new Fire 7 (7th generation) tablet. But all I found so far were for root is for Fire 7 (5th generation). Any new 7th generation root method and custom rom? Or is it compatible between 5th and latest 7th generation? Thanks for the help guys.
nyknight77 said:
I just bought a new Fire 7 (7th generation) tablet. But all I found so far were for root is for Fire 7 (5th generation). Any new 7th generation root method and custom rom? Or is it compatible between 5th and latest 7th generation? Thanks for the help guys.
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If the OS Version is 5.3.2.1, or 5.3.3.0, then no...not root yet.
nyknight77 said:
I just bought a new Fire 7 (7th generation) tablet. But all I found so far were for root is for Fire 7 (5th generation). Any new 7th generation root method and custom rom? Or is it compatible between 5th and latest 7th generation? Thanks for the help guys.
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The stock version is 5.3.3.0 so, no root.
DragonFire1024 said:
If the OS Version is 5.3.2.1, or 5.3.3.0, then no...not root yet.
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Thanks for your reply. I haven't received it yet to check the OS version but I'm hearing it will be OS Version 5.4
nyknight77 said:
Thanks for your reply. I haven't received it yet to check the OS version but I'm hearing it will be OS Version 5.4
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Mine came with 5.3.3.0.
nyknight77 said:
I just bought a new Fire 7 (7th generation) tablet. But all I found so far were for root is for Fire 7 (5th generation). Any new 7th generation root method and custom rom? Or is it compatible between 5th and latest 7th generation? Thanks for the help guys.
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In addition to other responses no assessment of custom rom compatibility on 7th gen devices can be conducted without root. IMO it is highly unlikely an exploitable vulnerability will be found in recent builds of FireOS or the device bootloader anytime soon given recent efforts to shore up all Android based ROMs.
I just got 4 Fire 7 gen 7s in the mail today; two with a red case, two with a yellow case.
The odd thing is that the yellow colored ones came with 5.4.0.0, while the red ones came with 5.3.3.0. The red ones must not be as popular and I was sent slightly older stock I assume.
Even worse is that the 5.4.0.0 yellow ones won't even let you bypass/skip the initial wifi setup and amazon account login. You MUST be connected to the internet and login with an Amazon account to setup the tablet.
AlwaysLucky said:
I just got 4 Fire 7 gen 7s in the mail today; two with a red case, two with a yellow case.
The odd thing is that the yellow colored ones came with 5.4.0.0, while the red ones came with 5.3.3.0. The red ones must not be as popular and I was sent slightly older stock I assume.
Even worse is that the 5.4.0.0 yellow ones won't even let you bypass/skip the initial wifi setup and amazon account login. You MUST be connected to the internet and login with an Amazon account to setup the tablet.
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I would highly advise you not allow those to update, flash 5.3.2.1 (the oldest version you can safely revert to if you haven't yet hit 5.4.0.1), and then use the tool linked below to remove all of the Amazon bloatware and install the launcher of your choice. This will get you as close as possible to a stock Android experience.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/amazon-fire-utility-tool-bloat-removal-t3641151
Technocian said:
This will get you as close as possible to a stock Android experience.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/amazon-fire-utility-tool-bloat-removal-t3641151
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I appreciate the link to the updated tool. The added features are nice indeed and I will try it out.
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I would highly advise you not allow those to update, flash 5.3.2.1 (the oldest version you can safely revert to if you haven't yet hit 5.4.0.1), and then use the tool linked below to remove all of the Amazon bloatware and install the launcher of your choice.
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Unfortunately, these are the 7th generation Fire 7 tablets (not 5th gen 'ford'). AFAIK, the earliest initial firmware shipped with these gen 7s is the 5.3.3.0. Even worse, is that I've tried to adb sideload every firmware version since 5.3.2.1 (even tried 5.3.3.0), but I got the same error every time at 47% progress:
"whole-file signature verification failed"
"aborted"
On that note, do you or anyone know if there is a way to adb sideload older firmware versions to a gen7? I was using the Windows 10 built-in USB drivers and that seems to be working but I have read elsewhere that the newer Fire generations require the Amazon USB ADB drivers to communicate properly with the computer. So my next step is to try using the Amazon USB driver and try again.
AlwaysLucky said:
On that note, do you or anyone know if there is a way to adb sideload older firmware versions to a gen7? I was using the Windows 10 built-in USB drivers and that seems to be working but I have read elsewhere that the newer Fire generations require the Amazon USB ADB drivers to communicate properly with the computer. So my next step is to try using the Amazon USB driver and try again.
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Bootloader is locked and anti rollback measures are in place. If you are on 5.4.0.0, the lowest you can downgrade to currently is 5.3.2.1. Trying to go lower will result in a hard bricked tablet. Look at it this way...if you want to experiment, knock yourself out. If you do brick it beyond repair, you have 30 days from date of purchase (or delivery? Not sure how that works) to return it for another. Just get a color you haven't gotten and who knows what those are on, if the event you described regarding colors is true.
EDIT: I am in no way encouraging you to brick your device or do any harm to it.
DragonFire1024 said:
Bootloader is locked and anti rollback measures are in place. If you are on 5.4.0.0, the lowest you can downgrade to currently is 5.3.2.1. Trying to go lower will result in a hard bricked tablet. Look at it this way...if you want to experiment, knock yourself out. If you do brick it beyond repair, you have 30 days from date of purchase (or delivery? Not sure how that works) to return it for another. Just get a color you haven't gotten and who knows what those are on, if the event you described regarding colors is true.
EDIT: I am in no way encouraging you to brick your device or do any harm to it.
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haha, nice edit.
Well I read your previous post stating that downgrading to 5.3.2.1 was possible, but I get the same above error trying to sideload any version firmware file to it. I am assuming this is because I am on the gen 7 (aka austin), not the gen 5 (aka ford). I have done some extensive searching on xda but it seems not many people actually have a gen 7, so I think I'm pioneering this a little bit.
With that, I can say that the Amazon USB driver for ADB made no change. Any ideas?
AlwaysLucky said:
haha, nice edit.
Well I read your previous post stating that downgrading to 5.3.2.1 was possible, but I get the same above error trying to sideload any version firmware file to it. I am assuming this is because I am on the gen 7 (aka austin), not the gen 5 (aka ford). I have done some extensive searching on xda but it seems not many people actually have a gen 7, so I think I'm pioneering this a little bit.
With that, I can say that the Amazon USB driver for ADB made no change. Any ideas?
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Debugging mode is on I presume (ADB Enabled)? Have you installed any Google Services (Play Store etc)? Go here and please and follow the installation steps for Total Commander and tell me the info for the 1st and 2nd lines on your device.
DragonFire1024 said:
Debugging mode is on I presume (ADB Enabled)?
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I truly appreciate your time into this, however I do not think I am explaining myself well. The ultimate purpose of these 4 gen7 (austin) tablets is for all 4 to be rooted and use a custom ROM. On one of the 7gens (5.3.3.0), I have successfully removed bloat from the stock rom and installed the play store (using your guide and others :good: ). It's much better than stock, but still not applicable for my purposes.
This leaves me with one option; downgrade the firmware to a rootable version (ideally 5.3.1). To do this, I enter the recovery menu by holding the volume down button and power button when powering on the tablet. While in the recovery menu (yellow on black text), I attempt to sideload firmware (any version, with md5s matching) and get the same error every time on all 4 tablets at exactly 47% completion:
"E: failed to verify whole-file signature"
"E: signature verification failed"
"installation aborted."
This doesn't brick any of the tablets and they reboot just fine out of recovery into the stock firmware. It must have something to do with the 7th gen tablets. While connected via USB to the tablets while in sideload mode in recovery, the hardware ID for the USB connection shows up as "USB\VID_1949&PID_0001". After googling that a little bit, it kept coming back to HD8 drivers! Soooo maybe I need the HD8 version of the firmwares so I can downgrade? Hmmmmm.....
AlwaysLucky said:
I truly appreciate your time into this, however I do not think I am explaining myself well. The ultimate purpose of these 4 gen7 (austin) tablets is for all 4 to be rooted and use a custom ROM. On one of the 7gens (5.3.3.0), I have successfully removed bloat from the stock rom and installed the play store (using your guide and others :good: ). It's much better than stock, but still not applicable for my purposes.
This leaves me with one option; downgrade the firmware to a rootable version (ideally 5.3.1). To do this, I enter the recovery menu by holding the volume down button and power button when powering on the tablet. While in the recovery menu (yellow on black text), I attempt to sideload firmware (any version, with md5s matching) and get the same error every time on all 4 tablets at exactly 47% completion:
"Whole-file verification failed"
"Aborting installation"
This doesn't brick any of the tablets and they reboot just fine out of recovery into the stock firmware. It must have something to do with the 7th gen tablets. While connected via USB to the tablets while in sideload mode in recovery, the hardware ID for the USB connection shows up as "USB\VID_1949&PID_0001". After googling that a little bit, it kept coming back to HD8 drivers! Soooo maybe I need the HD8 version of the firmwares so I can downgrade? Hmmmmm.....
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I have no idea. Regardless, you CANNOT downgrade to anything lower than FireOS 5.3.2.1 (which cannot be rooted). If your tablets are on 5.3.3.0 or 5.4.0.0, the lowest you can go is 5.3.2.1. If you are having ADB trouble, I would download Android Studio full version and make sure the SDK is up to date and start a new ADB folder from there. If your Kernel is of a later date than June 2017, you might not be able to rollback at all.
AlwaysLucky said:
I truly appreciate your time into this, however I do not think I am explaining myself well. The ultimate purpose of these 4 gen7 (austin) tablets is for all 4 to be rooted and use a custom ROM. On one of the 7gens (5.3.3.0), I have successfully removed bloat from the stock rom and installed the play store (using your guide and others :good: ). It's much better than stock, but still not applicable for my purposes.
This leaves me with one option; downgrade the firmware to a rootable version (ideally 5.3.1). To do this, I enter the recovery menu by holding the volume down button and power button when powering on the tablet. While in the recovery menu (yellow on black text), I attempt to sideload firmware (any version, with md5s matching) and get the same error every time on all 4 tablets at exactly 47% completion:
"Whole-file verification failed"
"Aborting installation"
This doesn't brick any of the tablets and they reboot just fine out of recovery into the stock firmware. It must have something to do with the 7th gen tablets. While connected via USB to the tablets while in sideload mode in recovery, the hardware ID for the USB connection shows up as "USB\VID_1949&PID_0001". After googling that a little bit, it kept coming back to HD8 drivers! Soooo maybe I need the HD8 version of the firmwares so I can downgrade? Hmmmmm.....
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Have seen this before (crap out at 47%). Usually pops up when attempting to sideload an inappropriate '.bin' file. Likely the 5.3.1 build you are using is for 5th gen devices. Different mainboard/SOC than 7th gen. Be happy Amazon's firmware detects this and doesn't allow the device to brick.
DragonFire1024 said:
Regardless, you CANNOT downgrade to anything lower than FireOS 5.3.2.1 (which cannot be rooted).
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Ohhh I understand, so even if downgrading to 5.3.2.1 actually worked, I can't even root on that firmware anyways. Ugh, well I will be patient. Thanks for the info and your time.
If your goal is to have these all ultimately rooted, I would return them and get your money back (if you still can). It's not likely a root method will be found.
This isn't a hot new device like the Pixel 2 where hoards of talent will be flocking to try and make it more usable. I got mine second hand for 25 bucks, this device from a monetary standpoint just isn't worth anyone's time.
The only realistic way I see root happening is if they release firmware based on a new version of Android or Kingroot find an Android exploit that would be compatible with our device.
AlwaysLucky said:
Ohhh I understand, so even if downgrading to 5.3.2.1 actually worked, I can't even root on that firmware anyways. Ugh, well I will be patient. Thanks for the info and your time.
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Correct...but keep in mind, so far it seems anyone on 5.4.0.1 won't be be able to debloat anymore. So downgrading to 5.3.2.1 is a better option than being so close to the latest version.
I'm not looking to root (i am, but i understand its not possible right now)... So is there any possibility to install apps other than the amazon app store?
thygreyt said:
I'm not looking to root (i am, but i understand its not possible right now)... So is there any possibility to install apps other than the amazon app store?
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Please see this thread.
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Hello and thanks for reading!
I have a Kindle Fire 5th Gen that was just given to me. I'd like to get rid of the Amazon OS and install anything (I'll take CM or whatever). It is currently running 5.1.2 yet KingRoot v4.9.2 says it is 5.1.1.
I've tried KingRoot a few times (apparently you need root to get TWRP going) and nothing happens - it keeps failing.
I've gone through some RootJunky videos but those aren't updated for 5.1.2 via Windows.
I'm at a loss of what to do next. This video says that installing an old version of Fire OS will brick your Kindle.
All of these different threads have me confused.
My questions are:
I understand that TWRP doesn't work on 5.1.2, so how do I get to a different version of Fire OS? And how do I disable OTA's? Turn off Wifi?
When I get to a different version of Fire OS, will RootJunky's tools work like in his videos?
I apologize if this is already answered in another thread as I can't find it and am new to the Kindle Fire.
I'd like to be able to use it for my school books next semester instead of having to bring the big effin things back and forth. For $50 bucks (retail), this seems like a steal to get a vanilla version of Android running on it!
Thanks in advance!
Pcprik said:
Hello and thanks for reading!
I have a Kindle Fire 5th Gen that was just given to me. I'd like to get rid of the Amazon OS and install anything (I'll take CM or whatever). It is currently running 5.1.2 yet KingRoot v4.9.2 says it is 5.1.1.
I've tried KingRoot a few times (apparently you need root to get TWRP going) and nothing happens - it keeps failing.
I've gone through some RootJunky videos but those aren't updated for 5.1.2 via Windows.
I'm at a loss of what to do next. This video says that installing an old version of Fire OS will brick your Kindle.
All of these different threads have me confused.
My questions are:
I understand that TWRP doesn't work on 5.1.2, so how do I get to a different version of Fire OS? And how do I disable OTA's? Turn off Wifi?
When I get to a different version of Fire OS, will RootJunky's tools work like in his videos?
I apologize if this is already answered in another thread as I can't find it and am new to the Kindle Fire.
I'd like to be able to use it for my school books next semester instead of having to bring the big effin things back and forth. For $50 bucks (retail), this seems like a steal to get a vanilla version of Android running on it!
Thanks in advance!
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- although your device shows 5.1.2 it is likely running 5.1.2.1 which can not be rooted at present
- you need to reload (sideload) 'pure' 5.1.2 via the stock recovery menu; there are instructions and videos posted elsewhere in this forum
- once on 5.1.2 use the SuperTool to root, block OTA, swap out Kinguser for SuperSU and obtain FlashFire which is used to install custom roms
- TWRP is not an option for your device at this time (nor is it likely in the near future)
- suggest looking through the index for relevant material (link below)
- keep reading; you'll get the hang of it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/index-amazon-fire-2015-t3210485
Davey126 said:
- although your device shows 5.1.2 it is likely running 5.1.2.1 which can not be rooted at present
- you need to reload (sideload) 'pure' 5.1.2 via the stock recovery menu; there are instructions and videos posted elsewhere in this forum
- once on 5.1.2 use the SuperTool to root, block OTA, swap out Kinguser for SuperSU and obtain FlashFire which is used to install custom roms
- TWRP is not an option for your device at this time (nor is it likely in the near future)
- suggest looking through the index for relevant material (link below)
- keep reading; you'll get the hang of it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/index-amazon-fire-2015-t3210485
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Thanks!
I may have hit a 'small' snag though. When I put 5.1.2 from the Index page on, Kingroot still didn't work so I put the next oldest version on (5.1.1 I believe). Now it won't startup and just has a black screen - I believe I forgot to select wipe cache before restarting. When I plug it into my Surface, Device Manager keeps making noises and I have installed the MTK VCOM drivers. I'm going to try to put 5.1.2.1 back on but I'm wondering if this thing is actually bricked? According to this thread it's possible to 'unbrick' it but if it doesn't turn on, how does it get into recovery mode?! Perhaps it's in recovery mode now with the blank screen? When I do 'adb devices', nothing shows up so I'm guessing it's not connected? Even doing 'adb sideload <filename>' shows no devices connected.
Thanks again!
Pcprik said:
Thanks!
I may have hit a 'small' snag though. When I put 5.1.2 from the Index page on, Kingroot still didn't work so I put the next oldest version on (5.1.1 I believe). Now it won't startup and just has a black screen - I believe I forgot to select wipe cache before restarting. When I plug it into my Surface, Device Manager keeps making noises and I have installed the MTK VCOM drivers. I'm going to try to put 5.1.2.1 back on but I'm wondering if this thing is actually bricked? According to this thread it's possible to 'unbrick' it but if it doesn't turn on, how does it get into recovery mode?! Perhaps it's in recovery mode now with the blank screen? When I do 'adb devices', nothing shows up so I'm guessing it's not connected? Even doing 'adb sideload <filename>' shows no devices connected.
Thanks again!
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Your device is bricked; can't roll back to 5.1.1 from any higher version of FireOS. Contact Amazon for a one-time courtesy exchange if still in warranty.
Unbrick methods are technically complex and still evolving; not for the faint of heart. Also don't believe your device is eligible.
Davey126 said:
Your device is bricked; can't roll back to 5.1.1 from any higher version of FireOS. Contact Amazon for a one-time courtesy exchange if still in warranty.
Unbrick methods are technically complex and still evolving; not for the faint of heart. Also don't believe your device is eligible.
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That's what I thought.
Thanks again for your help!
Davey126 said:
Your device is bricked; can't roll back to 5.1.1 from any higher version of FireOS. Contact Amazon for a one-time courtesy exchange if still in warranty.
Unbrick methods are technically complex and still evolving; not for the faint of heart. Also don't believe your device is eligible.
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Just to confirm, I should have put 5.1.2 and then rooted, correct? I may buy a new one.
Pcprik said:
Just to confirm, I should have put 5.1.2 and then rooted, correct? I may buy a new one.
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Correct. Summary here; see index for more robust coverage.
I have rooted 5th Gen 7" Kindle at OS 5.0.0. Do I need to update to another version of the OS? Like 5.1.2?
The only things I have done so far is that:
1. I rooted my Kindle 5th gen using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/wip-achieving-root-thread-t3238152
2. Installed Google Play with JunkyDSL's supertool:
http://rootjunkysdl.com/files/?dir=Amazon Fire 5th gen/SuperTool
Before I do anything else, I figured I should check with you guys. I literally have not done anything else. I have never signed in on the device. I just took it out of the box and rooted it and added Play Store. I haven't even connected it to the WiFi yet! Play Store seems to work as I am in the login screen.
Please advise as to whether I should update the OS. And if I do, which version?
chowyungfatso said:
I have rooted 5th Gen 7" Kindle at OS 5.0.0. Do I need to update to another version of the OS? Like 5.1.2?
The only things I have done so far is that:
1. I rooted my Kindle 5th gen using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/wip-achieving-root-thread-t3238152
2. Installed Google Play with JunkyDSL's supertool:
http://rootjunkysdl.com/files/?dir=Amazon Fire 5th gen/SuperTool
Before I do anything else, I figured I should check with you guys. I literally have not done anything else. I have never signed in on the device. I just took it out of the box and rooted it and added Play Store. I haven't even connected it to the WiFi yet! Play Store seems to work as I am in the login screen.
Please advise as to whether I should update the OS. And if I do, which version?
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If your objective is to install a custom rom (now or in the future) you should not update FireOS in the usual manner as you will loose the ability to boot TWRP. There is an alternative method for manually updating FireOS while preserving the bootloader which gives you the best of both worlds. I'll leave it to others to post links. For now do not register your device as an automatic update to the latest version of FireOS, including the bootloader, will quickly follow.
Davey126 said:
If your objective is to install a custom rom (now or in the future) you should not update FireOS in the usual manner as you will loose the ability to boot TWRP. There is an alternative method for manually updating FireOS while preserving the bootloader which gives you the best of both worlds. I'll leave it to others to post links. For now do not register your device as an automatic update to the latest version of FireOS, including the bootloader, will quickly follow.
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1. I definitely want flexibility, so thanks for the note re: losing the ability to change bootloaders.
2. I will have to research updating FireOS manually
Is there even a benefit to updating FireOS? My goal right now is to keep it as "standard" as possible, but with the possibility to install a custom ROM in the future--as soon as I get tired of FireOS (not a huge fan but I'm willing to live with it until I have more time).
chowyungfatso said:
1. I definitely want flexibility, so thanks for the note re: losing the ability to change bootloaders.
2. I will have to research updating FireOS manually
Is there even a benefit to updating FireOS? My goal right now is to keep it as "standard" as possible, but with the possibility to install a custom ROM in the future--as soon as I get tired of FireOS (not a huge fan but I'm willing to live with it until I have more time).
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If it ain't broke don't fix it. You always have the option of updating later if/when needed. The opposite is not necessarily true.
chowyungfatso said:
I have rooted 5th Gen 7" Kindle at OS 5.0.0. Do I need to update to another version of the OS? Like 5.1.2?
The only things I have done so far is that:
1. I rooted my Kindle 5th gen using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/wip-achieving-root-thread-t3238152
2. Installed Google Play with JunkyDSL's supertool:
http://rootjunkysdl.com/files/?dir=Amazon Fire 5th gen/SuperTool
Before I do anything else, I figured I should check with you guys. I literally have not done anything else. I have never signed in on the device. I just took it out of the box and rooted it and added Play Store. I haven't even connected it to the WiFi yet! Play Store seems to work as I am in the login screen.
Please advise as to whether I should update the OS. And if I do, which version?
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Actually, it'd be interesting to save a copy of the preloader and the bootloaders (TEE1, UBOOT) for 5.0.0 Or is it available somewhere already ? I wonder if this early preloader may be free of the anti-rollback protections, and that would allow for downgrades on the other Fires.
chowyungfatso said:
I have rooted 5th Gen 7" Kindle at OS 5.0.0.
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Can you dump some partitions by running these commands in adb (if your version is indeed 5.0.0):
Code:
adb shell
su
cd /sdcard
mkdir images
cd images
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0boot0 of=/sdcard/images/boot0.img
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p9 of=/sdcard/images/09_tee1.img
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p10 of=/sdcard/images/10_tee2.img
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p4 of=/sdcard/images/04_uboot.img
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p8 of=/sdcard/images/08_logo.img
Then zip, and upload here.
It'll be interesting to see if the preloader already has the anti-rollback strings in this early version !
bibikalka said:
Can you dump some partitions by running these commands in adb (if your version is indeed 5.0.0):
It'll be interesting to see if the preloader already has the anti-rollback strings in this early version !
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I'm out of town for a few weeks. I will get to it when I get back!
bibikalka said:
Can you dump some partitions by running these commands in adb (if your version is indeed 5.0.0):
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See attached. I also included the list of results. Let me know if this is what you need. This is what it said when I bring up the screen System Updates:
Fire OS 5.0.0 (Build date Saturday, August 1, 2015, 10:39 PM GMT).
chowyungfatso said:
See attached. I also included the list of results. Let me know if this is what you need. This is what it said when I bring up the screen System Updates:
Fire OS 5.0.0 (Build date Saturday, August 1, 2015, 10:39 PM GMT).
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Thanks for going through the trouble of downloading the partitions !!!
Added your info to this :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/identify-bootloader-version-t3424634
Unfortunately, this preloader already has ANTI ROLLBACK strings, so I doubt it'd help to use it to downgrade the newer versions.
For your upgrade, you could either just go to 5.0.1 bootloaders in this post (& 5.3.1 FireOS):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/howto-install-fireos-5-1-1-root-gapps-t3265594
As an alternative, I could make a zip file for you to flash your 5.0.0 bootloaders back after upgrading to 5.3.1 (but not clear why are these so needed anymore ...)
bibikalka said:
Thanks for going through the trouble of downloading the partitions !!!
Unfortunately, this preloader already has ANTI ROLLBACK strings, so I doubt it'd help to use it to downgrade the newer versions.
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Well at least the communicator has a copy of this version now too.
I haven't felt like I needed to switch to a custom ROM yet, which I understand would be the main (only?) reason to upgrade the bootloader.
chowyungfatso said:
Well at least the communicator has a copy of this version now too.
I haven't felt like I needed to switch to a custom ROM yet, which I understand would be the main (only?) reason to upgrade the bootloader.
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No need to update the bootloader for custom rom support, at least with the current suite of roms. Retaining a 5.0.x bootloader is desirable as it permits booting TWRP (or another custom recovery) which is generally more flexible than 'soft' flashing (requires root and a working rom) plus enhanced recovery capabilities should something go wrong.
I have FireOS 5.3.1.0 on my 5th gen Amazon tablet and I want to put Cyanogenmod on it. I understand that I need to first go back to 5.1.2 in order for TWRP to work but I'm also seeing reports that going back to an older version bricks the device. Is it possible to put a new rom on this device? If so, does anyone know where I can find a how-to?
TragicWarrior said:
I have FireOS 5.3.1.0 on my 5th gen Amazon tablet and I want to put Cyanogenmod on it. I understand that I need to first go back to 5.1.2 in order for TWRP to work but I'm also seeing reports that going back to an older version bricks the device. Is it possible to put a new rom on this device? If so, does anyone know where I can find a how-to?
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- 5.1.3 can be successfully rolled back to 5.1.2
- 5.3.1 is new; consequences of a rollback attempt are unknown
- twrp is not an option (period); you'll need to use FlashFire for managing custom roms
I tried, despite the warnings, and with knowledge that it could be "fatal", to put 5.1.2 on a 5th gen Fire that had 5.3.1.0 on it. It's now bricked. Only comes up to the MediaTek MT65XX PreLoader, loops on that, never shows anything on the screen. Don't do what I did.
Keith Lollis said:
I tried, despite the warnings, and with knowledge that it could be "fatal", to put 5.1.2 on a 5th gen Fire that had 5.3.1.0 on it. It's now bricked. Only comes up to the MediaTek MT65XX PreLoader, loops on that, never shows anything on the screen. Don't do what I did.
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Thank you for sharing your findings. This small, selfless act will help others avoid a similar outcome. A respectful head nod to your device for paying the ultimate price.
@sd_shadow, @ggow - FYI.
Keith Lollis said:
I tried, despite the warnings, and with knowledge that it could be "fatal", to put 5.1.2 on a 5th gen Fire that had 5.3.1.0 on it. It's now bricked. Only comes up to the MediaTek MT65XX PreLoader, loops on that, never shows anything on the screen. Don't do what I did.
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Was about to share the same experience... !
Keith Lollis said:
I tried, despite the warnings, and with knowledge that it could be "fatal", to put 5.1.2 on a 5th gen Fire that had 5.3.1.0 on it. It's now bricked. Only comes up to the MediaTek MT65XX PreLoader, loops on that, never shows anything on the screen. Don't do what I did.
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Was about to share the same experience... !
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It may still be possible to re-flash 5.3.1 bootloaders via AFTV2 tools ... But right now the best route is to talk to Amazon
Crap
Keith Lollis said:
I tried, despite the warnings, and with knowledge that it could be "fatal", to put 5.1.2 on a 5th gen Fire that had 5.3.1.0 on it. It's now bricked. Only comes up to the MediaTek MT65XX PreLoader, loops on that, never shows anything on the screen. Don't do what I did.
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F&$! Sorry about that Keith. I also have a Fire 2015 with 5.3.1.0 on it and Android 5.1.1 and I've only been able to put google apps on it and not been able to root it at all. I think you may be able to save it. Let me know.
Michael
What about going from 5.1.4? Will that brick my device? I wanna downgrade and root it.
stvy_g said:
What about going from 5.1.4? Will that brick my device? I wanna downgrade and root it.
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I bought two tablets during Prime Day, both came with 5.1.4. I mistakenly accepted the OTA system update for 5.31. on one of the tablets, and couldn't find a way to root or downgrade (I was only able to install google play/apps). After doing a factory reset, I exchanged it at Best Buy (no restock fee!) for a tablet with 5.1.4.
I have since successfully downgraded both tablets to 5.1.2 using RootJunky's tools (Search YouTube for a video by RootJunky titled "How to Firmware Restore or Unbrick your Amazon Fire 5th gen Tablet "), and then I followed the steps from talesofatech.com from the articles list below, to root and flash to an AOSP rom.
"Kindle Fire 7″ 5th Gen: Root, Custom Home Screen, Etc"
"Kindle Fire 7″ 5th Gen: AOSP ROM"
**I have a new account, but have been lurking around here for a while. Unfortunately cannot post links yet due to forum rules.
darby123 said:
I bought two tablets during Prime Day, both came with 5.1.4. I mistakenly accepted the OTA system update for 5.31. on one of the tablets, and couldn't find a way to root or downgrade (I was only able to install google play/apps). After doing a factory reset, I exchanged it at Best Buy (no restock fee!) for a tablet with 5.1.4.
I have since successfully downgraded both tablets to 5.1.2 using RootJunky's tools (Search YouTube for a video by RootJunky titled "How to Firmware Restore or Unbrick your Amazon Fire 5th gen Tablet "), and then I followed the steps from talesofatech.com from the articles list below, to root and flash to an AOSP rom.
"Kindle Fire 7″ 5th Gen: Root, Custom Home Screen, Etc"
"Kindle Fire 7″ 5th Gen: AOSP ROM"
**I have a new account, but have been lurking around here for a while. Unfortunately cannot post links yet due to forum rules.
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I will downgrade and post an update on the outcome.
darby123 said:
I bought two tablets during Prime Day, both came with 5.1.4. I mistakenly accepted the OTA system update for 5.31. on one of the tablets, and couldn't find a way to root or downgrade (I was only able to install google play/apps). After doing a factory reset, I exchanged it at Best Buy (no restock fee!) for a tablet with 5.1.4.
I have since successfully downgraded both tablets to 5.1.2 using RootJunky's tools (Search YouTube for a video by RootJunky titled "How to Firmware Restore or Unbrick your Amazon Fire 5th gen Tablet "), and then I followed the steps from talesofatech.com from the articles list below, to root and flash to an AOSP rom.
"Kindle Fire 7″ 5th Gen: Root, Custom Home Screen, Etc"
"Kindle Fire 7″ 5th Gen: AOSP ROM"
**I have a new account, but have been lurking around here for a while. Unfortunately cannot post links yet due to forum rules.
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I used rootjunkys downgrade tool he posted a couple of days ago and i successfully downgraded my kindle fire and now i will try and root it
stvy_g said:
I used rootjunkys downgrade tool he posted a couple of days ago and i successfully downgraded my kindle fire and now i will try and root it
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NOTE: the above statement refers to downgrading 5.1.3/5.1.4 -> 5.1.2. It does NOT apply to higher versions of FireOS. At this time there is no option to downgrade 5.3.1.x to a lower (rootable) version. Any attempt to do so will likely yield a brick.
stvy_g said:
I used rootjunkys downgrade tool he posted a couple of days ago and i successfully downgraded my kindle fire and now i will try and root it
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Many people have done that (I am one). I think it's misleading to have 5.1.3/5.1.4 posts in the 5.3.1.x thread.
Read the warning too late about the 5.3.1.0 OS and now my Fire HD 8 tablet is bricked. Any one know how to get it back working again? It was 5.1.4 just the other day and I decided to downgrade today, but did not think of checking the OS version and end it up bricking it.
5.12
:good::good:
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I will downgrade and post an update on the outcome.
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Hey that's awesome. Mine came with 5.3.1 also. Can't root yet but I have google play store etc... I have a rooted Kindle HD I bought in 2012 I actually like a little better than this new one that's rooted. Hopefully there will be an update for the 5.3.1 someday. I'm glad you were able to get those down graded, it sure feels good when stuff just works right !!
Michael
Danny1976 said:
Read the warning too late about the 5.3.1.0 OS and now my Fire HD 8 tablet is bricked. Any one know how to get it back working again? It was 5.1.4 just the other day and I decided to downgrade today, but did not think of checking the OS version and end it up bricking it.
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Wrong forum; not for HD devices. Try here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10
Anyone tried rooting 5.3.1.0 without downgrading?
sys32down said:
Anyone tried rooting 5.3.1.0 without downgrading?
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Suspect that was one if the first things tried as there is typically no risk associated with root attempts (the payload included with some rooting apps is another story). Beyond that several have analyzed the security 'fixes' incorporated into 5.3.1 and concluded previously leveraged exposures have been closed while others have yet to be exploited. You can bet Amazon will be working to close those too.
argh... received a 5.1.4, and red to late the downgrade option to root. Tried King root, it said a root option would be possible. So I upgraded the fire tablet to 5.3.1.0 in two steps und tried in both king root... nothing worked. So I also have to wait for a new freaky instruction to root a fire 5.3.1.0
mulle1978 said:
argh... received a 5.1.4, and red to late the downgrade option to root. Tried King root, it said a root option would be possible. So I upgraded the fire tablet to 5.3.1.0 in two steps und tried in both king root... nothing worked. So I also have to wait for a new freaky instruction to root a fire 5.3.1.0
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Welcome to Amazon's world. First rule: never update FireOS if you care about root (there are exceptions; too many caveats to detail). Second rule: ask before acting as likely someone before you has fallen into the firery pit and has a helpful tale to share.
In your case FireOS 5.1.4 was just fine - could be rolled back and rooted. 5.3.x not so much. Live and learn.
Hi, is it possible to downgrade FireOS 5.4.0.1 to 5.4.0.0 on a Kindle Fire 5th Gen? If I downgrade, will it brick the device?
I'm not looking for a rootable version, I just want to downgrade it.
Thanks!
philip_io said:
Hi, is it possible to downgrade FireOS 5.4.0.1 to 5.4.0.0 on a Kindle Fire 5th Gen? If I downgrade, will it brick the device?
I'm not looking for a rootable version, I just want to downgrade it.
Thanks!
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We don't know, nobody has tried yet. If they did, they didn't post about it. You could try at YOUR OWN RISK. I'd say it's not a good idea, but if you do try please post back with whether it worked or not. Good luck.
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Downgrade from 5.4.0.1 to 5.4.0.0 works fine
Today, I used the adb sideloader to downgrade my 5th gen 7" Fire from 5.4.0.1 to the less restrictive 5.4.0.0. No problems, not bricked. Will post back if I find anything wrong with it. 5.4.0.0 allows you to use shell commands to delete unwanted system apps, for those of you who don't know.
Coneyfox said:
Today, I used the adb sideloader to downgrade my 5th gen 7" Fire from 5.4.0.1 to the less restrictive 5.4.0.0. No problems, not bricked. Will post back if I find anything wrong with it. 5.4.0.0 allows you to use shell commands to delete unwanted system apps, for those of you who don't know.
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Thanks for the information!
Coneyfox said:
Today, I used the adb sideloader to downgrade my 5th gen 7" Fire from 5.4.0.1 to the less restrictive 5.4.0.0. No problems, not bricked. Will post back if I find anything wrong with it. 5.4.0.0 allows you to use shell commands to delete unwanted system apps, for those of you who don't know.
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This is great news! Can you give the details on how you did it? I'm not familiar with sideloading firmware; I've only ever sideloaded .apk's. Thanks!
Coneyfox said:
Today, I used the adb sideloader to downgrade my 5th gen 7" Fire from 5.4.0.1 to the less restrictive 5.4.0.0. No problems, not bricked. Will post back if I find anything wrong with it. 5.4.0.0 allows you to use shell commands to delete unwanted system apps, for those of you who don't know.
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Please can you link to the file you used to sideload.
edit NVM, i found it. Right where it belongs. lol..on amazon.
forawesome said:
This is great news! Can you give the details on how you did it? I'm not familiar with sideloading firmware; I've only ever sideloaded .apk's. Thanks!
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See video in OP of this thread. Be sure to use the file (.bin) for FireOS 5.4.0.0 vs whatever build is mentioned in the video.
Coneyfox said:
Today, I used the adb sideloader to downgrade my 5th gen 7" Fire from 5.4.0.1 to the less restrictive 5.4.0.0. No problems, not bricked. Will post back if I find anything wrong with it. 5.4.0.0 allows you to use shell commands to delete unwanted system apps, for those of you who don't know.
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I am skeptcal of this users report of being able to downgrade.
*no details
* no response to requests for details
* poster is new xda poster with only 3 posts, all of which are claiming successfull downgrade.
maybe just me , but I would not want to be first to follow his footsteps.
mrmazak said:
I am skeptcal of this users report of being able to downgrade.
*no details
* no response to requests for details
* poster is new xda poster with only 3 posts, all of which are claiming successfull downgrade.
maybe just me , but I would not want to be first to follow his footsteps.
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It's the same guy who made the post about 5.3.3 root by flashing SuperSu. Seriously though guys, if you plan on actually using your tablet and not just experimenting with it for fun, don't do this. Especially if you aren't in the 30 day exchange period anymore.
Technocian said:
It's the same guy who made the post about 5.3.3 root by flashing SuperSu. Seriously though guys, if you plan on actually using your tablet and not just experimenting with it for fun, don't do this. Especially if you aren't in the 30 day exchange period anymore.
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Don't have time to look now; if this guy has a history of intentionally misleading members (potentially leading to bricked devices) will report and let the mods deal with him.
The same went for those reporting it CAN'T be done...new users, a few posts. I try to have an open mind, but unless they're regular users, I take some new user posts with a grain of salt. Always be careful.
EDIT: I did walk one user through trying to downgrade an HD 8 FROM 5.4.0.1, which was unsuccessful and resulted in an unrecoverable brick. It's likely the same thing for the Fire 7.
Hi, new to XDA forums - about 2 weeks ago I came here looking for a way to re-google my fire 7 (which I'd just bought) but mine was already upgraded to 5.4.0.1
I tried to downgrade using a .bin from amazon but it failed during verification so I gave up. Because of this thread I re-downloaded the .bin (which seems to have changed? I'm unexperienced but the update number is different) and tried again.
It downgraded fine and I'm running 5.4.0.0 - I'm honestly not sure what changed but thought I'd put this out there.
shw2921 said:
Hi, new to XDA forums - about 2 weeks ago I came here looking for a way to re-google my fire 7 (which I'd just bought) but mine was already upgraded to 5.4.0.1
I tried to downgrade using a .bin from amazon but it failed during verification so I gave up. Because of this thread I re-downloaded the .bin (which seems to have changed? I'm unexperienced but the update number is different) and tried again.
It downgraded fine and I'm running 5.4.0.0 - I'm honestly not sure what changed but thought I'd put this out there.
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Do you know if your fire is 5th or 7th gen?
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Do you know if your fire is 5th or 7th gen?
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It's a 7th gen
mrmazak said:
Do you know if your fire is 5th or 7th gen?
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It appears the Fire 7 CAN be downgraded, but likely the HD 8 CANNOT be. I don't know how this is possible though. Maybe someone else can chime in about the specifics.
If you are on 5.4.0.0, you can uninstall/disable system apps. So if that's what you're looking to do, congrats...You can still do it
shw2921 said:
I tried to downgrade using a .bin from amazon but it failed during verification so I gave up. Because of this thread I re-downloaded the .bin (which seems to have changed? I'm unexperienced but the update number is different) and tried again.
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Hi,
this sounds like during the first attempt you used (tried to use) a firmware that was created for the 5th gen fire 7 (codenamed "ford"), not the 7th gen ("austin") that you have. Their names differ in only one place AFAICT: it's a 37 (5th) or a 55 (7th).
While for both device generations there's no 5.4.0.1 for download, someone might have a closer look at the .bins to learn about the hardware differences between 5th and 7th - beyond what we already know.
steve8x8 said:
Hi,
this sounds like during the first attempt you used (tried to use) a firmware that was created for the 5th gen fire 7 (codenamed "ford"), not the 7th gen ("austin") that you have. Their names differ in only one place AFAICT: it's a 37 (5th) or a 55 (7th).
While for both device generations there's no 5.4.0.1 for download, someone might have a closer look at the .bins to learn about the hardware differences between 5th and 7th - beyond what we already know.
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Awesome! That explains it. The more I learn the better. Also to DragonFire - yes I wanted 5.4.0.0 for system app removal, so it turned out good in the end.
shw2921 said:
Awesome! That explains it. The more I learn the better. Also to DragonFire - yes I wanted 5.4.0.0 for system app removal, so it turned out good in the end.
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Sorry to repeat this again. But there were some conflicting reports about whether it is possible to go from Fire OS 5.4.0.1 to Fire OS 5.4.0.0. (One report of failure for Fire HD8 (7th Generation)).
Would you please confirm the following steps:
(1). You have Fire 7 (7th Generation, 2017 model) with Fire OS 5.4.0.1
(2). You go to this Amazon site to download Fire 7th Generation OS 5.4.0.0 :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_left_v4_sib?ie=UTF8&nodeId=202144590
(3). You sideload the file from Step (2) above by typing ,from a PC window, "adb sideload update-kindle-55.5.7.9_user_579225620.bin"
Thank you so much.
I am waiting for more reports of success before I attempt to "roll-back" my Fire 7 (7th Generation) from OS 5.4.0.1 to OS 5.4.0.0, so that I can "pm uninstall" most of the Amazon Apps.
My Amazon Fire 2015 downgraded to 5.4.0.0 just fine. Removed OTA updates, Lockscreen Offers, and Amazon Apps.
Nice to know that if in the event a Fire does update to 5.4.0.1, it can be rolled back.
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I have had my Amazon fire 5th gen for a couple months now and I want to know if there is a way to root my tablet without a computer, anybody know?
ChompDroid126 said:
I have had my Amazon fire 5th gen for a couple months now and I want to know if there is a way to root my tablet without a computer, anybody know?
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Neither without, nor with a computer. The last rootable firmware was 5.3.1, long ago.
Using Tapatalk on a Ford
I am in the same boat as the OP what can be done to downgrade the version and get this device rooted?
Nrocket3 said:
I am in the same boat as the OP what can be done to downgrade the version and get this device rooted?
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You can't as a quick of the dozen+ threads on the same topic would reveal:
- no root on any build of FireOS above 5.3.1
- 5.6 can not be rolled back to a rootable build
Nrocket3 said:
I am in the same boat as the OP what can be done to downgrade the version and get this device rooted?
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@Nrocket3 Downgrading will brick your device unfortunately
Still no fix?
my son reset the kindle fire i had already had it rooted and factory reset was done...... i forgot how to root it and so i went back online looking to day how to do it again and now it states that u cannot root 5.6.+ and i checked the kindle i have and its running 5.6+ now :0( just wanna know if there is any update to this yet or a way to root
FatGuy870 said:
my son reset the kindle fire i had already had it rooted and factory reset was done...... i forgot how to root it and so i went back online looking to day how to do it again and now it states that u cannot root 5.6.+ and i checked the kindle i have and its running 5.6+ now :0( just wanna know if there is any update to this yet or a way to root
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Unfortunately, no root once FireOS has progressed beyond 5.3.2.0. Status quo for many months and is unlikely to change going forward. You can still install the Play Store and ask Amazon to remove lock screen ads. That's about it.
Davey126 said:
Unfortunately, no root once FireOS has progressed beyond 5.3.2.0. Status quo for many months and is unlikely to change going forward. You can still install the Play Store and ask Amazon to remove lock screen ads. That's about it.
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You can root from FireOS 5.4.1.0 all the way to the current 5.6.0.1, on the Fire HD 10 only. At the moment no other current (2017) tablets can be rooted. I plan to reload FireOS on my HD 10 sometime soon to re-root and see if I can't get some logs of it and see what's going on. The closest to root any other Amazon tablet has, beyond 5.3.1.0, is disabling system apps on 5.4.0.0 and earlier versions.
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You can root from FireOS 5.4.1.0 all the way to the current 5.6.0.1, on the Fire HD 10 only. At the moment no other current (2017) tablets can be rooted. I plan to reload FireOS on my HD 10 sometime soon to re-root and see if I can't get some logs of it and see what's going on. The closest to root any other Amazon tablet has, beyond 5.3.1.0, is disabling system apps on 5.4.0.0 and earlier versions.
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Seen this movie before. HD 10 uses a different architecture (64-bit) utilizing different binaries with different vulnerabilities. It is unlikely that any exploits from the HD 10 can be leveraged to FireOS builds for the Fire 7 and HD 8.
Davey126 said:
Seen this movie before. HD 10 uses a different architecture (64-bit) utilizing different binaries with different vulnerabilities. It is unlikely that any exploits from the HD 10 can be leveraged to FireOS builds for the Fire 7 and HD 8.
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Agreed. Though to see what's going on, could be beneficial. Though I do giggle a little at the thought of Amazon "patching" the disabling of system apps, only to have their most expensive tablet rooted. I have been wondering if whatever they patched caused this.
I don't really know how kernels are patched. Example: when a kernel is patched to stop potential exploits, how is the data written? Like is it in rotation? As new patches are uploaded, does it push off the older data?