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Hi all!
I was browsing through Samsung Galaxy S's Android Development Section when I saw this:
"11. Do NOT overcharge
--Why, when, where: Almost all new batteries have an overcharging protection. This means that the protection that is built into the battery will not let it charge to 100%. This is a feature, not a bug! This will help prolong your battery life while also keeping it safe from overheating/explosion/etc. Do not try to trick it and unplug and plug again until you see 100%, just get used to the fact that you can't have 100% battery anymore and live with it, or you risk destroying your battery."
posted by user "shantzu"
here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939752
I did "calibrate" my battery many times lately by unplugging it when charging and the replugging it. But I sure know I wont do it anymore! It's your choice whether or not you wanna do it!
I just wanted you to know this! Hope I've been helpful!
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+1, blablabla (sorry msg needed to be +10 characters, but it's more now and more and more and more )
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+1, blablabla (sorry msg needed to be +10 characters, but it's more now and more and more and more )
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I didnt say this. I just quoted and I said that I wont charge my phone to 100% with the plug-unplug way. So if you take my advise do so, if you don't want to take it please stop posting ****!
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I didnt say this. I just quoted and I said that I wont charge my phone to 100% with the plug-unplug way. So if you take my advise do so, if you don't want to take it please stop posting ****!
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I dont think he was posting ****. He just wanted to post "+1" (as in "me too"), but needed to respect the minimum character limit for a post.
Badly worded, but it doesnt look like he was making fun of you or anything.
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I love this thread already
Isn't calibrating the battery all about fixing an Android bug?
Anyway, this reminds me, the Milestone overstates the full charge mV and underestimates the low battery mV.
So, if Battery Monitor Widget reports that I have 4230mV when it's fully charge and plugged in... it's really only 4170mV.
When it's reporting empty at 3200mV, it's really at 3300mV.
http://www.android-hilfe.de/root-ha...ku-infos-ladekurven-leistungsverbraucher.html
Externally measured or indication of the internal voltage measurement
3.30 volts / 3.20 volts
4.12 volts / 4.18 volts
That is, the stone over-estimated the voltage at the battery is full by ~ 60 mV and underestimated the power of up to 100 mV with an empty battery. The intent is well-battery protection (which is good too). It is pretended that 3.0 and 4.2 volts to discharge until it is loaded. In reality, there are more 3.1 volts and 4.15 volts (which by the way of battery manufacturers also better unanimous opinion!).
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Apparently, we are still protected even if we do calibrate the battery.
I'm pretty sure that Payce at android-hilfe actually took that battery out of his phone so I'll go with that.
Thanks for sharing
Good article
Over charging doesn't effect Lithium Ion batterys;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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Over charging doesn't effect Lithium Ion batterys;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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Gee thank you! I just wanted to start correcting this non-sense. The "overcharging" affects Lithium-Polymer batteries, not Lithium-Ion, so calibrating battery is HARMLESS!!!!
If you have a Samsung Galaxy S then you have this possibility.
I think we can close this thread.
Actually you can overcharge (any) battery, charging it to the higher voltages for higher capacity when used daily (as cell phones).
However it lowers total lifetime of the battery, but you can get more battery time.
But this isn't the cell phones' thing. IMHO charging circuit + circuits in battery won't allow you to do this. So you can't really overcharge.
This "calibrating" is even suggested by notebook manufacturers - you have to do full discharge -> full charge to set the voltage "limits" for 0% and 100%, so the battery indicator can estimate the remaining battery % precisely.
Just few quotations from http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries to support my opinions:
"In terms of optimal longevity, a charge voltage limit of 3.92V/cell works best but the capacity would be low."
"Should I disconnect my laptop from the power grid when not in use? Under normal circumstances this should not be necessary because once the lithium-ion battery is full, a correctly functioning charger will discontinue the charge and will only engage when the battery voltage drops to a low level."
"Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery."
The milestone has a Lithium-ion polymer battery which looks like they do suffer from over charging.
"It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries; Li-ion chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous.[5] Most manufacturers claim a maximum and minimum voltage of 4.23 and 3.0 volts per cell. Taking any cell outside these limits can reduce the cell's capacity and ability to deliver full rated current.
Most dedicated lithium polymer chargers use a charge timer for safety; this cuts the charge after a predefined time (typically 90 minutes)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_polymer_battery
Someone will have to dig deeper into the OEM charger to see if it has some sort of cut off.
the thing with timer seems pretty weird to me. Try charging your battery with very little current - why should you cut it off after 90 minutes? Makes no sense to me, but I'm not an engineer so there may be a fact I overlook.
At the same time with noting overcharge will damage battery cell you should point out that there is no way to overcharge the battery without charging the battery CELLS itselves (not whole battery pack with its circuitry) with your custom charger without monitoring voltage/current.
However - yes, you're right, battery cells can be damaged.
I assume it would be the charging unit itself (i.e. the plug) which as the 90min cut off.
Charging via a USB takes ages (supplied at 5V) and without the "plug" it prob wouldn't have a cut off so the chances of over charging would be higher but would require leaving it in for longer.
I'm not sure, I'm only a first year electriton and haven't touched on batterys.
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Charging via a USB takes ages (supplied at 5V)
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The "plug" is just 230V~ -> 5V- transformer so the only difference is current, supplied voltage is the same. Btw I leave my phone in cradle for extended periods of time (24h+) and nothing bad happened. When it's at 100% it stops charging so I don't expect anything to happen.
Same with notebooks - it charges to 100% and stops. E.g. HP does stop charging until battery level drops to 90% so it won't "trickle charge" or do many 99%->100% cycles. Dunno how does the phone charging work, because it says 100% all the time. This can be possibly a bad thing
Hi, I have some doubts about the use of battery. I'd like to know if is normal I use the battery up to 80% and after I put this cellphone in the USB for charger?
I will have problem in my battery in the future?
OBS: Sorry my bad english.
Oi darkshot!
I always thought that the optimal battery usage would be to do full battery cycles as much as possible.
However, it seems that this is not true for the "new" Li-Ion kind of batteries.
There's a very informative thread somewhere here in XDA about it, but in short, basically for Li-Ion you should avoid letting it drop below 20%, and you should avoid keeping it fully charged too (once it is fully charged you should disconnect it from the charger). This type of batteries has an expected lifetime that depends mostly on fabrication date, so even if you don't use it, it doesn't mean it's not "dying".
However, if you do have to store it for a long period without usage, you should try to store it at about 60%-80% in a cold, dry place. (Optimal storage seems to be in a vacuum bag in the fridge, but maybe this is too much?)
Nopes, you can charge with usb adapter any time, it's the option provided by the company itself, so there is no harm in using the option provided by company!! cheers!!
keeping battery charge levels between 20-80% will allow your battery to maintain its maximum capacity.
drain the battery to 0% and you might find it dies just that little bit quicker the next day.
likewise, you know when charging the progress slows down around 90-100%? - that's the battery inefficiency around the max mark; this is damaging the battery too.
so, is there an app out there that will stop charging the battery when we get to 90%?
tasker can recognise the battery level but it has no action to stop the charging so presume ably its too low level. its also not available in the secure settings add on.
Do you have any links to back up these claims?
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
Some kernels have these options. Battery life extender, where you can change the maximum charging level. I would guess though that by the time you're really affecting your battery life it will be time to upgrade anyway!
Some kernels have these options. Battery life extender, where you can change the maximum charging level. I would guess though that by the time you're really affecting your battery life it will be time to upgrade anyway!
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Thanks. I'll look into that. I'd probably leave it at 90% or 95% but 80% is the value I heard. Personnally I find charge doesn't really slow down until 98%.
Mugen batteries can be upto $100 each so I think it's worth protecting the investment and Lithium batteries are the same technology in the brand new Galaxy3 or iPhone4s than it is in a GalaxyS1 etc. So that's my motive.
I experience this too! when my phone are only charged at 90 percent it last more longer !
Battery calibrate.
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Battery calibrate.
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Does calibration really needa 0-100. 100-0 then charge again from 0-100 (is the phone needs to ne off while charging?)
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Here's a technical explanation for why this kind of app needs to exist (and why I was Googling this charge-limiting idea tonight to find this thread):
jago25_98 brushed the surface of it in an earlier post, but was blown off. He's dead-on. The top 90-100% of a battery's capacity is very slightly damaging to the battery, which likes to stay in the 3.7-4.0V range (about 30% to 90%). 4.0v to 4.1v is about 90 to 100%, and 4.1v to 4.2v is "you can cram in about 5% more at your own risk" territory. The charge lingers around the 100% mark to cram more power in without exceeding 4.2v. This is why devices are shipped half-charged, not full-charged: the batteries are manufactured at a stable mid-range voltage and charge level. Then, they're tested and returned to that half-charged state for storage (!) and shipping. They like to stay in the middle, not the extreme ends (and definitely not fully discharged).
Charge algorithms are designed solely with capacity in mind, because not much care is put into "how long" something will last. They'd much rather abuse the battery and have the battery (or the device) replaced, than to put a larger battery in to make up for lost capacity by charging only to 80%.
For some of us, we understand that, and we'd like to limit our battery charge so the life of the battery (the capacity it will hold over time) will stand up to the test of time. If treated right, these batteries could last over 10 years. Charging to 100% each day and staying there all night (most of the time, it charges within an hour, leaving it sitting about a quarter of its life at a full charge) is pretty destructive, compared to using an app that caps it at 80% each night, saving the full cycles for monthly battery-meter refreshes.
If it can be done, I'd like to know... I might just dust off my SDK and crack open a "how-to" book to get started. About time I had a good app idea...
Here's some recent media that's brought this issue back to be bumped: http://gizmodo.com/you-should-try-to-keep-it-north-of-50-percent-as-much-619313207
Is that extender in NStools?
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If I remember correctly Mackay kernel - at least up to 4.3 Mackay - has allowed BLX. I think Semaphore allowed this as well in the manager app.
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If I remember correctly Mackay kernel - at least up to 4.3 Mackay - has allowed BLX. I think Semaphore allowed this as well in the manager app.
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Yes, I'm using Mackay Kernel+Rom ( 4.4.2 KK ) and you can find the BLX (battery life extender) in Mackay Settings tab.
Sorry for digging up this long submerged thread.
I'm quite interested in the idea of getting my phone to charge between 40-80% while I plug in my phone overnight. I wish to maximise the longevity of the battery on my phone. I'm thinking about using the app "Tasker" together with a Wifi controlled power switch. Has anyone done that?
(PS. I don't use a Galaxy S I9000 phone. Just searched and found this randomly)
FalconFour said:
Here's a technical explanation for why this kind of app needs to exist (and why I was Googling this charge-limiting idea tonight to find this thread):
jago25_98 brushed the surface of it in an earlier post, but was blown off. He's dead-on. The top 90-100% of a battery's capacity is very slightly damaging to the battery, which likes to stay in the 3.7-4.0V range (about 30% to 90%). 4.0v to 4.1v is about 90 to 100%, and 4.1v to 4.2v is "you can cram in about 5% more at your own risk" territory. The charge lingers around the 100% mark to cram more power in without exceeding 4.2v. This is why devices are shipped half-charged, not full-charged: the batteries are manufactured at a stable mid-range voltage and charge level. Then, they're tested and returned to that half-charged state for storage (!) and shipping. They like to stay in the middle, not the extreme ends (and definitely not fully discharged).
Charge algorithms are designed solely with capacity in mind, because not much care is put into "how long" something will last. They'd much rather abuse the battery and have the battery (or the device) replaced, than to put a larger battery in to make up for lost capacity by charging only to 80%.
For some of us, we understand that, and we'd like to limit our battery charge so the life of the battery (the capacity it will hold over time) will stand up to the test of time. If treated right, these batteries could last over 10 years. Charging to 100% each day and staying there all night (most of the time, it charges within an hour, leaving it sitting about a quarter of its life at a full charge) is pretty destructive, compared to using an app that caps it at 80% each night, saving the full cycles for monthly battery-meter refreshes.
If it can be done, I'd like to know... I might just dust off my SDK and crack open a "how-to" book to get started. About time I had a good app idea...
Here's some recent media that's brought this issue back to be bumped: http://gizmodo.com/you-should-try-to-keep-it-north-of-50-percent-as-much-619313207
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I am thinking, if Android app can't limit battery charging level, at least there should be an app that shows some sort of notifications when charging has reached a certain level set by users.
There is an app for it. Battery Charge Limit.
jago25_98 said:
keeping battery charge levels between 20-80% will allow your battery to maintain its maximum capacity.
drain the battery to 0% and you might find it dies just that little bit quicker the next day.
likewise, you know when charging the progress slows down around 90-100%? - that's the battery inefficiency around the max mark; this is damaging the battery too.
so, is there an app out there that will stop charging the battery when we get to 90%?
tasker can recognise the battery level but it has no action to stop the charging so presume ably its too low level. its also not available in the secure settings add on.
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You can get this app https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 here. It also has tasker integration
I have noticed an issue that is really reducing the battery life on android by around 1 hour.
On android it (official cyanogenmod build) it views the battery as 1500mAh and and at 0% it shuts off (3.51V on the battery)
buy after the shutdown, I can reboot into webOS and the tablet will be usable for about an extra 1.3 hours (worth of web browsing) longer and even then, it shuts off at 3.428V (well before a 3.7V cells voltage dropoff curve
For most li-ion batteries that are designed to supply 3.7V, the protection circuit cutoff is 2.7V and the phone own protection kicks in at 3-3.2V depending on the device (and some phones with removable batteries will even go down to 2.9V)
So overall, I would like to know is there a way to change the device shutdown in android from 3.51V to 3.428 that way it will match the shutoff of webos? That change would easily add an extra hour or so of of use between charges.
Here's my device running JB.
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Here's my device running JB.
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it is accurate within it's defined limits but the problem is the defined limits.
Android shuts down at 3.51 volts while webos shuts down at 3.428 volts, and that cutoff difference comes out to a little over an hour of battery life that you are not getting if you use android VS webOS
So, I'm nervous about the fact that I can't replace the battery on my ONE. So far every night I've been staying up late until the phone dies, then plugging it in, waiting til the light stops flashing, then powering it up to charge while on overnight.
Problem is, this phone has awesome battery life. Right now at 10.30pm, I'm sitting at 41%, and debating just leaving it unplugged all night.
So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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Lithium ion batteries are awesome. They are lighter, smaller and do not suffer from "memory effect."
Do not drain then fully recharge this phone on a regular basis. That will accelerate capacitance loss. Keep it charged as much as possible, avoid fast charging, try to use your PC to charge it overnight. Do not leave it charging for too long (i.e. days on end). Though on board computers can refuse charging, it is best to stay on the safe side.
2 years, you will definitely notice a decrease in battery life, but by the time it becomes intolerable, you will have upgraded. I can almost guarantee that.
EDIT: Please add to/refute any statements I made if you have greater knowledge on this subject, people.
Thanks! Can you explain why using mr PC to charge is better?
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Thanks! Can you explain why using mr PC to charge is better?
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Because it's a slower charge at a lower amp rating prolongs battery life by not boiling the cells
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Because it's a slower charge at a lower amp rating prolongs battery life by not boiling the cells
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Gottit. Thanks!
No problem,glad I could shed some light on the subject
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So, I'm nervous about the fact that I can't replace the battery on my ONE. So far every night I've been staying up late until the phone dies, then plugging it in, waiting til the light stops flashing, then powering it up to charge while on overnight.
Problem is, this phone has awesome battery life. Right now at 10.30pm, I'm sitting at 41%, and debating just leaving it unplugged all night.
So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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As was previously noted, what you're doing is actually the worst possible thing you can do to a lithium ion battery. In general, best practice is to keep your battery somewhere between 10%-95% charge whenever possible. Once a month, you should "cycle" your battery under 10% (but not fully drained) to keep everything in peak condition. If you're ever not going to use the phone for any length of time, best practice is to drain to 40% and store in a cool, dark area.
When you first get a new device, you do want to condition it by doing three to five (varies on the device) full charge/discharge cycles, but after that, once a month with a conditioning cycle will take care of things for you. And again, as was previously noted, it's not a great idea to leave your phone charging overnight because you can't always depend on the battery controller chip.
These newer cells are all rated to relatively high cycle lifetimes, so I wouldn't worry overmuch. At that point, capacity is supposed to start degrading, although naturally it's going to happen a bit earlier for any number of reasons. I'd be much more worried about avoiding heat though than overcharge.
I'm assuming charging it slowly would keep it slightly cooler than a wall socket and closer to room temp, the better.
There is probably some other reason, but I'm not the person to ask. you can do some independent research. :good:
Just charge your phone when it needs it and don't when it doesn't. Do that and you'll be good until you upgrade no problem.
EDIT: Oh, beat me to it... haha
EDIT: Also, does the 40% apply to phones? Mobile devices never really turn off, they just go into deep sleep, I'm told. I was going to say that too, but then I remembered this. Does the 40% rule apply to non-removable batteries?
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I'm assuming charging it slowly would keep it slightly cooler than a wall socket and closer to room temp, the better.
There is probably some other reason, but I'm not the person to ask. you can do some independent research. :good:
Just charge your phone when it needs it and don't when it doesn't. Do that and you'll be good until you upgrade no problem.
EDIT: Oh, beat me to it... haha
EDIT: Also, does the 40% apply to phones? Mobile devices never really turn off, they just go into deep sleep, I'm told. I was going to say that too, but then I remembered this. Does the 40% rule apply to non-removable batteries?
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It's a question of how much voltage you're chucking into the battery. If you use a low-voltage wall adapter it'll be the same as if you were charging from your PC.
The 40% rule applies to any battery, and they'll all discharge over time anyway (connected or no). If you shut your phone off, everything powers down except (if memory serves) what's necessary to run the internal clock. The impact that has should be pretty minimal (unless you're trying to bury your One for a thousand years, in which case...can't help you there).
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It's a question of how much voltage you're chucking into the battery. If you use a low-voltage wall adapter it'll be the same as if you were charging from your PC.
(unless you're trying to bury your One for a thousand years, in which case...can't help you there).
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Who would buy a low voltage wall adapter?
And yes, I would like to bury my One safely for a thousand years, so when it is found by the generation of humadroids, they will see it and be amazed that a civilization so primitive could achieve such technological mastery.
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Who would buy a low voltage wall adapter?
And yes, I would like to bury my One safely for a thousand years, so when it is found by the generation of humadroids, they will see it and be amazed that a civilization so primitive could achieve such technological mastery.
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I don't know that I bought any, but I have a few lying around from yesteryear's gadgetry.
And at that point, why not launch it into space instead, a la HTC Nexus One?
So I use my phone as my alarm clock and also run the Relax and Sleep app all night. Otherwise I'd just plug it into my lappy throughout the day and not worry about it.
But that raises another question: running the phone overnight while charging it at the same time. Bad juju?
I plugged into my lappy last night around midnight, woke up this morning and had about 95% charge, rather than the usual 100%. I'm assuming this is the result of power output for Relax and Sleep cutting int power input from charging.
I've also been in the habit of leaving my EVO 4G plugged in while tethering. I assume this is also a bad plan?
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Lithium ion batteries are awesome. They are lighter, smaller and do not suffer from "memory effect."
Do not drain then fully recharge this phone on a regular basis. That will accelerate capacitance loss. Keep it charged as much as possible, avoid fast charging, try to use your PC to charge it overnight. Do not leave it charging for too long (i.e. days on end). Though on board computers can refuse charging, it is best to stay on the safe side.
2 years, you will definitely notice a decrease in battery life, but by the time it becomes intolerable, you will have upgraded. I can almost guarantee that.
EDIT: Please add to/refute any statements I made if you have greater knowledge on this subject, people.
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MOST of this advice is 100% true.
The only part that is not correct information is the advice to not let it die. It is perfectly OK to do this as long as you don't deep discharge the battery... Example like let it die then not charge it for like a week or something.
The science behind this is the fact that lithium ion batteries actually have a nominal voltage operating range which is like 3.2 - 4.3 volts or something like that. Your device is designed to shut itself down when it gets to about 3.5... This is done to protect the battery from deep discharge cycles.
Letting it die is perfectly alright. Just make sure you charge it soon after.
Also, you don't need to use your PC to charge it. That is in no way necessary. Your device came with a wall charger for a reason...
There are safety features built into the kernel and cable to keep you from damaging the device during charge. Use the wall.. It is perfectly safe and faster / more practical.
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So I use my phone as my alarm clock and also run the Relax and Sleep app all night. Otherwise I'd just plug it into my lappy throughout the day and not worry about it.
But that raises another question: running the phone overnight while charging it at the same time. Bad juju?
I plugged into my lappy last night around midnight, woke up this morning and had about 95% charge, rather than the usual 100%. I'm assuming this is the result of power output for Relax and Sleep cutting int power input from charging.
I've also been in the habit of leaving my EVO 4G plugged in while tethering. I assume this is also a bad plan?
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Your battery will automatically cycle between 95%-99.9999% to prevent overcharge, so you're fine on this front. You probably just caught it on the low end of the cycle.
The issue with charging + tethering is that a phone draws more power when plugged in (ramping up processor, etc.), and tethering eats a lot of power. More importantly, both charging the battery and running the antennas for tethering generate a lot of heat. So long as you watch your battery temp (most good tethering apps will toss in a temperature gauge, although if you're using stock you'll need another solution), you should be fine, but heat is one of the fastest ways to kill a Li-ion battery.
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MOST of this advice is 100% true.
The only part that is not correct information is the advice to not let it die. It is perfectly OK to do this as long as you don't deep discharge the battery... Example like let it die then not charge it for like a week or something.
The science behind this is the fact that lithium ion batteries actually have a nominal voltage operating range which is like 3.2 - 4.3 volts or something like that. Your device is designed to shut itself down when it gets to about 3.5... This is done to protect the battery from deep discharge cycles.
Letting it die is perfectly alright. Just make sure you charge it soon after.
Also, you don't need to use your PC to charge it. That is in no way necessary. Your device came with a wall charger for a reason...
There are safety features built into the kernel and cable to keep you from damaging the device during charge. Use the wall.. It is perfectly safe and faster / more practical.
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Although a full normal discharge (phone powering off) won't kill your battery in one go, it's a deeper discharge than I would recommend on a regular basis. Things are built with margins of safety, but I don't like playing on the edge when I can avoid it. The difference between 10%-15% isn't too much either when it comes to my use-case either, so I'm content to bounce between 20/30-95 most of the time.
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Your battery will automatically cycle between 95%-99.9999% to prevent overcharge, so you're fine on this front. You probably just caught it on the low end of the cycle.
The issue with charging + tethering is that a phone draws more power when plugged in (ramping up processor, etc.), and tethering eats a lot of power. More importantly, both charging the battery and running the antennas for tethering generate a lot of heat. So long as you watch your battery temp (most good tethering apps will toss in a temperature gauge, although if you're using stock you'll need another solution), you should be fine, but heat is one of the fastest ways to kill a Li-ion battery.
Although a full normal discharge (phone powering off) won't kill your battery in one go, it's a deeper discharge than I would recommend on a regular basis. Things are built with margins of safety, but I don't like playing on the edge when I can avoid it. The difference between 10%-15% isn't too much either when it comes to my use-case either, so I'm content to bounce between 20/30-95 most of the time.
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That is certainly a good point as well. No need to play on the edge of the cliffs. lol
You see my point tho
About safety margins