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audio quality and camera quite a bit worse than razr m?

can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same

alpha beta gaga said:
can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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Different SoC's have different DAC's (Digital-to-Analog-Converters [Audio Chips]). Exynos, for example, has the awesome Wolfson DAC, which you can use the Voodoo Audio mod with. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 has a different, but still very good one. So yeah, it makes sense that this Intel one [probably] has a different DAC considering you're talking about an entire system on a chip. The camera, however is independent and has nothing to do with the SoC. So if Motorola decided to use a lesser quality camera on the i than the M, that was an independent decision.

alpha beta gaga said:
can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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Personal experience is that the i has a better camera than the M, but that both are mediocre. Kind of hilarious that the i had a dedicated camera button for a shoddy camera.
-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-

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Different SoC's have different DAC's (Digital-to-Analog-Converters [Audio Chips]). Exynos, for example, has the awesome Wolfson DAC, which you can use the Voodoo Audio mod with. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 has a different, but still very good one. So yeah, it makes sense that this Intel one [probably] has a different DAC considering you're talking about an entire system on a chip. The camera, however is independent and has nothing to do with the SoC. So if Motorola decided to use a lesser quality camera on the i than the M, that was an independent decision.
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You're talking about Exynos 4412.
Don't confuse it with 4210 which has the worst audio chips ever made in mankind. (Yamaha)

Livebyte said:
You're talking about Exynos 4412.
Don't confuse it with 4210 which has the worst audio chips ever made in mankind. (Yamaha)
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I'm talking about the current-gen model. I've had the Epic 4G Touch when I was on Sprint (it had the Exynos 4210) and yes it was really bad (flat-sounding). I was trying to illustrate a point though.

maybe not quite as techincal as the gsmarena review but certainly not a 'poor' camera here
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1294792/motorola-razr-i

Can anyone that owns the Razr i please comment on the audio quality? I'm planning on buying this phone, but I listen to music on my phone for hours every day and am buying a new phone, because the audio connector on my Desire is bust. I'm only interested in the sound quality through headphones.

i've just compared it to the gnex. not great i'm afraid. quite a bit of 'hiss'. a few seconds after play comes to a stop, you'll hear a nasty 'clicking off' sound. not quite sure what it is but it is not there on the gnex. i really wanted to love this phone but audio quality is a let down. for that reason alone, i'll be sticking with my gnex and returning the i tomorrow

You've got to be kidding me, how hard can it be to get this right.

I disagree. I am not an audiophile but I find the sound pretty much as good as any other device I have had. There is hiss when not listening to anything but it seems to go away when I am listening to something.
Anyway, I really think its ok.

The Jones said:
There is hiss when not listening to anything but it seems to go away when I am listening to something
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that is true, you'll only notice it on quiet areas of songs. but those same areas have no hiss at all on the gnex. i'm not trying to big up the gnex here but quality of audio output via headphones is pretty important to me and the hiss i find is unacceptable

Honestly I haven't noticed a hiss when listening to things. I mainly listen to podcasts which have lots of quiet sections and little music. I will turn my ears to the potential hiss next time my headphones are plugged in.
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Just got my new XT890. Excellent phone. Have played some MP3s and haven't noticed any problem till now. This phone has much better sound quality than my previous Huawei. Also the results of sound measurement in gsmarena review are similar to those of HTC One X review:
I think the methods of sound quality measurements aren't very accurate and strongly depends on the environment, measuring equipment and event on the specific phone unit (I think such type of benchmarks should be repeated on several units to control convergence of results).

MotoXT890 said:
Just got my new XT890. Excellent phone. Have played some MP3s and haven't noticed any problem till now. This phone has much better sound quality than my previous Huawei. Also the results of sound measurement in gsmarena review are similar to those of HTC One X review:
I think the methods of sound quality measurements aren't very accurate and strongly depends on the environment, measuring equipment and event on the specific phone unit (I think such type of benchmarks should be repeated on several units to control convergence of results).
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I'm not scientific with my sound reviews but from my personal experience my XT912 RAZR sounded "meh" quality.
My HTC One S sounded great, probably because of the whole Beats thing.
My RAZR i is on par with my HTC One S for sound quality.
This is all done from me driving around in my '97 Olds with a Cassette to MP3 adapter so take it with a grain of salt... but I am happy with the quality
Nice name by the way

Could it be, that only some handsets are affected? Because a few people complain about the quality, and a few say it's completely fine. And only one reviewer mentioned the problem. I had the obnoxious clicking sound when a track stopped on the Desire aswell, and I would really love, if the Razr i wouldn't have that problem. Could a beter set of headphones help? Me buying this phone is riding on this, because I really love it so far, a compact all-rounder, that has a lovely design, and is something special.

alpha beta gaga said:
i've just compared it to the gnex. not great i'm afraid. quite a bit of 'hiss'. a few seconds after play comes to a stop, you'll hear a nasty 'clicking off' sound. not quite sure what it is but it is not there on the gnex. i really wanted to love this phone but audio quality is a let down. for that reason alone, i'll be sticking with my gnex and returning the i tomorrow
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update: the tables have turned! i had a 2nd razr i delivered over the weekend. this unit has no noticeable 'hiss' as described above. not sure if the 1st unit was defective or something moto have amended in newer batches? either way i'm more than happy with the audio quality now on the replacement razr i and can fully recommend it to others. i'll be keeping the razr and returning the gnex yes the gnex is still marginally ahead audio quality wise. but the trade off with having a device that can store my entire music collection on removeable sd vs slightly lesser audio performance is well worth it imo.
both units were from reputable online retailers.

Oh dreaded Moto! Defy speaker problem repeats itself? Can you check serial numbers (and other info) on the stickers on both boxes? Perhaps they've different manufacturing dates.

it is not the loudspeaker. i'm talking about listening with headphones. i'll look at the boxes later at post back

Yeah, Defy problem wasn't exactly this one, but it was massive and annoying and moto had to admit the issue later.

alpha beta gaga said:
it is not the loudspeaker. i'm talking about listening with headphones. i'll look at the boxes later at post back
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& what serial number it has?

Audio quality

According to GSMArena the S8+ can reproduce sound at 32-bit/384kHz but the new Note 8 has downgraded to 24-bit/192kHz? I know at this point its all rumour yet GSMArena are usually reliable. IF this is accurate I do ponder Samsung's logic. I live in the hope this is untrue as its a deal breaker for me as music is much more significant than the camera that I never use.
Ryland

I think we'll have to wait and see. Logically it doesn't make any sense to downgrade any features from the S8 (besides the battery capacity due to the S Pen space), so hopefully that info is incorrect.

Samsung lost the plot on audio a while ago. Head amp usually poor and Snapdragon devices don't use any special DAC.

Ultra High Quality Audio Playback
UHQ 32-bit & DSD support
PCM: Up to 32 bits
DSD: DSD64/128
*DSD64 and DSD128 playback can be limited depending on the file format.
Audio playback format
MP3, M4A, 3GA, AAC, OGG, OGA, WAV, WMA, AMR, AWB, FLAC, MID, MIDI, XMF, MXMF, IMY, RTTTL, RTX, OTA, DSF, DFF, APE
*Some files may not be supported depending on codec used.

And what about aptx HD?

Any info on the DAC hardware in the Exynos version of the Note 8. Shame we wont have the Quad DAC like in the LG V20.

jah said:
Any info on the DAC hardware in the Exynos version of the Note 8. Shame we wont have the Quad DAC like in the LG V20.
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Same DAC as the SGS8 and 8+ Rather peeved the Note 8 doesn't come with dual speakers. For the hideous cost it bloomin well should! Very disappointing for those of us who enjoy mobile music. If Samsung don't make vast improvements in this area next time around I may well revert to Sony. But then again the whole idea of the Note 8 is that S-pen that I find fantastic? I guess what I seek can't be found?!
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
Same DAC as the SGS8 and 8+ Rather peeved the Note 8 doesn't come with dual speakers. For the hideous cost it bloomin well should! Very disappointing for those of us who enjoy mobile music. If Samsung don't make vast improvements in this area next time around I may well revert to Sony. But then again the whole idea of the Note 8 is that S-pen that I find fantastic? I guess what I seek can't be found?!
Ryland
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Samsung have gone backwards. With Exynos they used to use high quality Wolfson DACs.

I was also very much wanting dual speakers. I mean, I don't use the on-board speaker a ton, but I would definitely use it more if it was dual. Plus just for things like games, even speakerphone calls, etc - would have been nice. Maybe next time around.

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Samsung have gone backwards. With Exynos they used to use high quality Wolfson DACs.
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Wolfson was bought out by Cirrus logic in 2014. The SGS8+ has a Cirrus logic DAC meaning Wolfson. :highfive:
On the exynos variant that is, NOT the Snapdragon.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
Wolfson was bought out by Cirrus logic in 2014. The SGS8+ has a Cirrus logic DAC meaning Wolfson. :highfive:
On the exynos variant that is, NOT the Snapdragon.
Ryland
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What's ur source of this info ?
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Ryland Johnson said:
Wolfson was bought out by Cirrus logic in 2014. The SGS8+ has a Cirrus logic DAC meaning Wolfson. :highfive:
On the exynos variant that is, NOT the Snapdragon.
Ryland
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Cool thanks. But even the new Cirrus Logic is unlikely to be as good as the quad DAC in the LG V20. Strange since Samsung bought Harmon Kardon to improve the audio of its devices. I'll be annoyed if they don't offer aptx HD.

jah said:
Cool thanks. But even the new Cirrus Logic is unlikely to be as good as the quad DAC in the LG V20. Strange since Samsung bought Harmon Kardon to improve the audio of its devices. I'll be annoyed if they don't offer aptx HD.
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Hi, the V20 had quad ES92B ESS Sabre DAC's. In terms of technical sound reproduction the V20, on paper, is superior to the DAC on the Note 8 however............. IN terms of sound reproduction there are numerous factors that affect the end result IE, what we hear.
The amplification process and, of course, the ear buds or head phones in terms of a mobile device. Not to mention the source material and the ambient we are trying to listen in.
In general the V20 should outshine the Note 8 IF all parameters are equal. In real life seldom are said parameters equal. To that end to truly hear the difference we would need to be in a studio with identical volume presets, head phones, high end source material and music genre.
For a mobile device that is not really meant to compete with dedicated Hi-res portable players costing hundreds of euros, I think most of us including the so called audiophiles like me will be happy taking into consideration we won't have to carry around a second device. I guess its the same with the cameraphiles who will be happy with taking less accurate pictures BUT not having the need to carry a dedicated canon DSLR?
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
Hi, the V20 had quad ES92B ESS Sabre DAC's. In terms of technical sound reproduction the V20, on paper, is superior to the DAC on the Note 8 however............. IN terms of sound reproduction there are numerous factors that affect the end result IE, what we hear.
The amplification process and, of course, the ear buds or head phones in terms of a mobile device. Not to mention the source material and the ambient we are trying to listen in.
In general the V20 should outshine the Note 8 IF all parameters are equal. In real life seldom are said parameters equal. To that end to truly hear the difference we would need to be in a studio with identical volume presets, head phones, high end source material and music genre.
For a mobile device that is not really meant to compete with dedicated Hi-res portable players costing hundreds of euros, I think most of us including the so called audiophiles like me will be happy taking into consideration we won't have to carry around a second device. I guess its the same with the cameraphiles who will be happy with taking less accurate pictures BUT not having the need to carry a dedicated canon DSLR?
Ryland
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No. High bit rate FLAC and decent £150 headphones will show the difference. But it is a personal preference issue. If you use your device for listening to music while commuting you probably wont use FLAC at 96khz 24 bit versus mp3 at 320 kbps. I can easily tell the difference because i like really good quality.

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No. High bit rate FLAC and decent £150 headphones will show the difference. But it is a personal preference issue. If you use your device for listening to music while commuting you probably wont use FLAC at 96khz 24 bit versus mp3 at 320 kbps. I can easily tell the difference because i like really good quality.
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If you are totally in to audio quality one doesn't use a mobile phone one uses a dedicated hi res player.
Second point. Music and how we individually hear its reproduction is totally subjective and impossible to standardise as no two individuals taste in reproduction are the same. In the ever shrinking world of dedicated Hi-Fi separates it is accepted industry knowledge that different amplifiers, speakers and sources including the interconnects have a certain sound stage. Marantz, Quad, Meriden, Macintosh, A&R, shure, Sennheiser, Denon et al, the list is endless and all have their own style of sound.
When you write you can tell 'The' difference I respectfully suggest you mean you can certainly tell 'A' difference, such a difference is your hearing and what you enjoy. On a very basic level some enjoy a more treble, high end, sound stage while others enjoy a more lower end base focused sound stage. the equations are as endless as are the listeners hence the choice we have. There is no such animal as 'The best'. :good:
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
If you are totally in to audio quality one doesn't use a mobile phone one uses a dedicated hi res player.
Second point. Music and how we individually hear its reproduction is totally subjective and impossible to standardise as no two individuals taste in reproduction are the same. In the ever shrinking world of dedicated Hi-Fi separates it is accepted industry knowledge that different amplifiers, speakers and sources including the interconnects have a certain sound stage. Marantz, Quad, Meriden, Macintosh, A&R, shure, Sennheiser, Denon et al, the list is endless and all have their own style of sound.
When you write you can tell 'The' difference I respectfully suggest you mean you can certainly tell 'A' difference, such a difference is your hearing and what you enjoy. On a very basic level some enjoy a more treble, high end, sound stage while others enjoy a more lower end base focused sound stage. the equations are as endless as are the listeners hence the choice we have. There is no such animal as 'The best'. :good:
Ryland
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I know what you mean being an owner of a Linn turntable and Naim amplification. There is subjectivity but also general consensus which says FLAC sounds much better than mp3s. Even my wife who is not an audiophile can tell the difference between normal bit rate Mp3s and extreme OGG quality on Spotify on her S8.
We are getting away from the issue. If LG can include a Quad DAC which most audiophiles would consider a good solution for smartphone audio and a V20 is only £300 why can’t Samsung do something about their poor audio compared to the fantastic cameras they have.
I'm not interested in having a philosophical abstract dialogue With you. I want Samsung to use a better DAC and headamp, period.
End of conversation.

jah said:
I know what you mean being an owner of a Linn turntable and Naim amplification. There is subjectivity but also general consensus which says FLAC sounds much better than mp3s. Even my wife who is not an audiophile can tell the difference between normal bit rate Mp3s and extreme OGG quality on Spotify on her S8.
We are getting away from the issue. If LG can include a Quad DAC which most audiophiles would consider a good solution for smartphone audio and a V20 is only £300 why can’t Samsung do something about their poor audio compared to the fantastic cameras they have.
I'm not interested in having a philosophical abstract dialogue With you. I want Samsung to use a better DAC and headamp, period.
End of conversation.
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Nice amp' and table. Not seen a Linn TT for some years now. What speakers are you using?
I agree with your paragraph regarding LG's use of DAC's and Samsung's apathy to improve, hell we can't even get two speakers out of them. I have threads here that state this very point.
It was nice to debate with you:good:
Ryland

Should I Upgrade To Note 9?

I am on Sprint and currently have the LG V30+ someone I know has a Note 9 that I can buy for $475 cash. I'm big on photos and play some games like PUBG and a couple others. I understand on the tech side the Note has more RAM (4gb vs 6gb) and the upgraded processor (835 vs 845). Just want to make sure it makes sense, any input appreciated!

bpditty said:
I am on Sprint and currently have the LG V30+ someone I know has a Note 9 that I can buy for $475 cash. I'm big on photos and play some games like PUBG and a couple others. I understand on the tech side the Note has more RAM (4gb vs 6gb) and the upgraded processor (835 vs 845). Just want to make sure it makes sense, any input appreciated!
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I just went from LG V30 to Note 9 snapdragon, and I can (anecdotally) say it is better in almost every way, with the exception of sound. The DAC on LG is way better. But display, camera, battery life, and processing speed are better on the Note. There is also the S pen, but I have yet to find a use for mine.

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I just went from LG V30 to Note 9 snapdragon, and I can (anecdotally) say it is better in almost every way, with the exception of sound. The DAC on LG is way better. But display, camera, battery life, and processing speed are better on the Note. There is also the S pen, but I have yet to find a use for mine.
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Good to know, that's what I was hoping to hear. The last Note I had was a 4 and it was awesome. I do like the DAC but it sounds like there is way more positives.

bpditty said:
Good to know, that's what I was hoping to hear. The last Note I had was a 4 and it was awesome. I do like the DAC but it sounds like there is way more positives.
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Definitely more positives. But man, after having good sound, it's hard to move to something inferior. Around 60% of my phone use is music, whether it's at home, on my car, or outside. I just wish I had gone for the Exynos version so that I could at least root and add viper. But it's the only thing I miss.
The software is also more polished, and Samsung adds a lot of value with their custom user interface. Some may consider it bloat, but I like it.

bpditty said:
I am on Sprint and currently have the LG V30+ someone I know has a Note 9 that I can buy for $475 cash. I'm big on photos and play some games like PUBG and a couple others. I understand on the tech side the Note has more RAM (4gb vs 6gb) and the upgraded processor (835 vs 845). Just want to make sure it makes sense, any input appreciated!
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For 475 buy it. I'd buy them all day long at 475. If you don't like it, sell it and make a couple hundred dollars on it. No brainer IMO.

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I just wish I had gone for the Exynos version so that I could at least root and add viper
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Hi, I also listen to music a lot. And I also have a Snapdragon Note 9. I have a couple of questions, as you seem to really enjoy your mobile music as well..
1 - Is it not good enough using the Dolby Atmos + Equalizer provided by default? Would Viper be much of an improvement? I can hear a considerable difference using these two, compared to no tuning at all.
2 - For wired headphones VS bluetooth.. I know Bluetooth is still not comparable, but I got the Jabra Elite 65t and quite enjoy it. Sometimes I still use my wired ones though. Does Viper work well for both wired and Bluetooth? Does it really improve the experience?
3 - Apart from Viper, any personal recommendations that might make listening to music a better experience?

I went V30 to Note 9 Exynos and it's been great, the DAC in the Exynos devices is really not too far from the V30's.

Plus just saw a video of a real day use of the camera on note 9 vs pixel 3 xl and apart from front and night shots note 9 did better then the pixel.

gamekill said:
Hi, I also listen to music a lot. And I also have a Snapdragon Note 9. I have a couple of questions, as you seem to really enjoy your mobile music as well..
1 - Is it not good enough using the Dolby Atmos + Equalizer provided by default? Would Viper be much of an improvement? I can hear a considerable difference using these two, compared to no tuning at all.
2 - For wired headphones VS bluetooth.. I know Bluetooth is still not comparable, but I got the Jabra Elite 65t and quite enjoy it. Sometimes I still use my wired ones though. Does Viper work well for both wired and Bluetooth? Does it really improve the experience?
3 - Apart from Viper, any personal recommendations that might make listening to music a better experience?
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Appart from an old set of 3.5 apple eardbuds, I listen mostly via Bluetooth. Atmos makes a little improvement. Problem is there is no custom option. I have a Pixel 2 XL as a backup phone, and I use it more than the N9 because of viper for Android. The amount of control on viper can be overwhelming, but if you take the time so can be the results. It works on all my apps (Spotify, Pandora, Play Music and TuneIn) and you can save a different preset for every Bluetooth device if you want to. Viper might not make Bluetooth headsets as good as wired ones, but it makes damn close.
Besides viper I have used Equalizer FX. It does give you some control but it does not work with Pandora or TuneIn, sometimes you have to restart the app, and with pie beta it does not seem to work at all.

Audio quality

How's the audio quality on the S10 with headphones (bt and wired)? I've rooted and used viper in the past because the built in eq usually caused a volume decrease,regardless of the phone I had.

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How's the audio quality on the S10 with headphones (bt and wired)? I've rooted and used viper in the past because the built in eq usually caused a volume decrease,regardless of the phone I had.
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I have wired earphones. Quality is top notch. Also volume is high enough. I use klipsch r6m and Sony extra bass xb75
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Would love for someone to take some measurements of frequency response, distortion, output impedance, etc.

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s10-review-1903p3.php
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s10_plus-review-1901p3.php

Coming from a LG V30 which has a hi-fi built in DAC for its headphone jack...this thing sounds tinny to me. Even with dolby atmos enabled. Funny thing is, I had a $15 usb c dongle just for curiosity and the sound quality is actually better using that. I think unless if they have a built in high quality DAC, then it's unnecessary for phone companies at this point to keep the headphone jack since a cheap dongle actually provides better sound quality than a basic headphone jack does. The sound quality I got from the dongle was a lot closer to my old LG's quality, it's punchier than the S10's jack.

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Coming from a LG V30 which has a hi-fi built in DAC for its headphone jack...this thing sounds tinny to me. Even with dolby atmos enabled. Funny thing is, I had a $15 usb c dongle just for curiosity and the sound quality is actually better using that. I think unless if they have a built in high quality DAC, then it's unnecessary for phone companies at this point to keep the headphone jack since a cheap dongle actually provides better sound quality than a basic headphone jack does. The sound quality I got from the dongle was a lot closer to my old LG's quality, it's punchier than the S10's jack.
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How about companies keep both usb c and headphone jack to make everyone happy [emoji16]
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Mudig said:
Coming from a LG V30 which has a hi-fi built in DAC for its headphone jack...this thing sounds tinny to me. Even with dolby atmos enabled. Funny thing is, I had a $15 usb c dongle just for curiosity and the sound quality is actually better using that. I think unless if they have a built in high quality DAC, then it's unnecessary for phone companies at this point to keep the headphone jack since a cheap dongle actually provides better sound quality than a basic headphone jack does. The sound quality I got from the dongle was a lot closer to my old LG's quality, it's punchier than the S10's jack.
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Strange, for the most part the headphone jack quality is miles better than almost any dongle I've used in my situation. And I've used literally ALL if them. From Razer, Google, htc, Huawei, xiaomi etc. The only thing that Trump's the headphone jack for me is the Shure usb-c dongle/cable for my se846s. Distortion free and balanced in that situation. Though I do miss plugging them into the headphone jack of an old LG V20 or HTC 10, nothing mobile-wise ever beat that. Ahhh the memories, lol.

Nothing in the world is better than a phone running viper. There just is no substitute in any way. That is literally the only thing I have wanted root for and have missed. I still run an old note as a second phone because it has viper and all my Spotify playlist backed up. if somebody came up with a way to utilize viper without rooting I would have the perfect phone.

I've been using this phone (S10 Snapdragon 855) and doing some tests and looking at other peoples' research for a while now, and I've realized a few things.
1. The S10 (SD855) has a high quality audio codec onboard, but it doesn't work with the headphone jack! To sum it up, the high-res direct_pcm output only works with 3 devices: None of which are the headphone jack.
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Device 1:
- tag name: Aux Device Out
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_AUX_DIGITAL
Device 2:
- tag name: Usb Device Out
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_USB_DEVICE
Device 3:
- tag name: USB Headset Out
- type: AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_USB_HEADSET
2. Using a 60 Hz test file and 30 Ohms resistor, I was reading 0.5438V without load and 0.5095V with 30 Ohms load, giving an output impedance of 2.02 Ohms.
3. SD855 version of the S10+ seems to measure better than the Exynos version, and I wouldn't be surprised if this held true for the S10. This information is available in Anandtech's review/comparison of the S10+ SD855 and S10+ Exynos.

QuadraKev said:
I've been using this phone (S10 Snapdragon 855) and doing some tests and looking at other peoples' research for a while now, and I've realized a few things.
1. The S10 (SD855) has a high quality audio codec onboard, but it doesn't work with the headphone jack! To sum it up, the high-res direct_pcm output only works with 3 devices: None of which are the headphone jack.
2. Using a 60 Hz test file and 30 Ohms resistor, I was reading 0.5438V without load and 0.5095V with 30 Ohms load, giving an output impedance of 2.02 Ohms.
3. SD855 version of the S10+ seems to measure better than the Exynos version, and I wouldn't be surprised if this held true for the S10. This information is available in Anandtech's review/comparison of the S10+ SD855 and S10+ Exynos.
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Andrei (Anand writer) is also a member of xda. You could reach out to him and see whether his units can access the pcm, or whether there's a hw/sw limitation in place.

Prevalent on S10e as well
I can confirm that the audio quality from the headphone jack on the S10e seems to be lacking quite a bit as well. I haven't been able to try decent USB-C headphones on it yet, but I was able to compare it to my old S9 using the same headphones with the same equalizer settings and MP3's (I know - lossy, but I'm just testing audio output here). It is very noticeably less punchy, tinnier and overall cooler than the S9's bassy, warm and full sound.
This is a huge disappointment. I really hope this can be fixed with a software update soon, or even a root. It doesn't sound awful per say as is, but in comparison to previous phones I've had, even dating back to the iPhone 4s, this is pretty unacceptable. The worst part is that no one is saying a thing about it. I must have watched about 20 S10 and S10e reviews at this point and there's even a guy who calls himself an audiophile who fails to notice it. Samsung won't do a thing if no one says a word, no?

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I can confirm that the audio quality from the headphone jack on the S10e seems to be lacking quite a bit as well. I haven't been able to try decent USB-C headphones on it yet, but I was able to compare it to my old S9 using the same headphones with the same equalizer settings and MP3's (I know - lossy, but I'm just testing audio output here). It is very noticeably less punchy, tinnier and overall cooler than the S9's bassy, warm and full sound.
This is a huge disappointment. I really hope this can be fixed with a software update soon, or even a root. It doesn't sound awful per say as is, but in comparison to previous phones I've had, even dating back to the iPhone 4s, this is pretty unacceptable. The worst part is that no one is saying a thing about it. I must have watched about 20 S10 and S10e reviews at this point and there's even a guy who calls himself an audiophile who fails to notice it. Samsung won't do a thing if no one says a word, no?
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I compared lg g6 with quad dac sabre to the s10e sd855.
On stock without Dolby atmos and few tweaks in settings selected on s10e, the lg is the winner but it comes at cost with less battery life.
When you select Dolby atmos and few tweaks (see below) the sound of sd855 is much more balanced/neutral/warmer than the lg g6 and I prefer it overwhelmingly.
Prior there is a void in the lower/upper midrange on stock.
The tweaks
Choose the adapt sound and choose under 30 years old it helps provide some boost to the gain.
You can also select uhq up scaler and select the first one for more air and if your select bandwidth it's a bit more fuller but less air. I like the air first one (bit upscaling)
The Sound
The lg g6 quad dac has too much filtering whereas the snapdragon with tweaks sounds more balanced/ neutral ymmv.
The Sabres bass is also more muddy than the sd855. The mids and top are more isolated / airy in the sabre dac but the difference il can be made very close.
Happy listening and the enjoy the sound. Love the s10e and sd855.

S10 series with Exynos has dedicated AKM DAC and dedicated headphone amp. You would call it high end DAC. Same as on Note 9, S9, Note 8, S8.
S10 series with Snapdragon uses the Snapdragons SOC build in DAC and headphone amp.
The lack of sound quality or the sound compared to USB-C audio adapters which is differ has nothing to do with audio quality in general with the audio component of the phone. The frequency curve is flat (neutral). And the sound is high resoluted. I used my Beyerdynamic T90 and Sennheiser HD 700 to get an idea of it. The sound components that Samsung uses are very good, only the LG G or V series uses such components but with a better implementation. But S10 series suffers in some interferences. This is why the lab measurements are not as good as they could be like on Samsung S9. But you will not hear impairments with cheap or casual headphones combined with lossy sound sources like spotify or mp4, mp3, ogg.
If your sound sucks the you could use better headphones, an EQ or a dedicated headphone amp. Samsung uses lots of software and oversampling with higher bitrate and frequencies. So you will not get full neutral or bit by bit sound out of the headphone jack.
I use the Exynos version with AKM chips. And for my taste the audio quality for a smartphone is outstanding.

Where did you read that exynos uses akm dac?
If you read the anandtech article on sd855 v exynos in s10 it states:
The Snapdragon Galaxy S10 continues to showcase excellent results with what was in line with Qualcomm’s Aqstic line of DACs over the last few years: a very clean output with very little noise.
Exynos Galaxy S10+
Switching over to the Exynos Galaxy S10 however we’re seeing some pretty shocking results. The phone uses a Cirrus Logic CS47L93 audio codec chip which has actually been used in Exynos variants since the Galaxy S8. Unfortunately in recent years this was surpassed by Qualcomm’s audio chips, and in particular the Galaxy S10 suffers from a pretty bad implementation. Here we’re clearly seeing noise components that are not part of the reference 1KHz signal, with a particularly odd 250Hz component. The measurements were done in sequence with just re-plugging the input from the Snapdragon to the Exynos under the same conditions. Audio output level was calibrated at near -10dbV / 312.5mV RMS on both devices.
In practical terms, there is audible difference between the two as the Exynos unit sounds warmer (in a bad way) and more muffled. The Snapdragon achieves higher clarity and the sound stage appears wider. This was my subjective evaluation using the same Samsung’s included AKG headphones on both units, both having the same software audio settings.
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Also, I'll add my best sounding settings using sd855 using Qualcomm.
Select adapt sound under 30 and the following:
Some may prefer auto under Dolby atmos, experiment what you prefer.
Happy listening.

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Sorry it's a Cirrus Logic CS47L93 IC (DAC, ADC, ... combination chip), not from AKM. Still of a very good speficiation. I have mistaken it with another hi-fi device which I am currently examining.
I did a 30 minute A/B comparison with S10e Exynos headphone out and a JDS Labs O2+ODAC (DAC+headphone amp) with Sennheiser HD 700 headphones.
Both devices sound exactly the same. No wonders here. They should!
But the S10e Exynos lacks a little bit of resolution which might be interpreted by some people as lack of transparency. Which also tends to mud the bass region a bit. Kick drums disappears into the background a little. Kick drums have not the clear and tight punch as they should. Plus the highs somewhere above 8000 Hz tend to hiss sometimes, not often, which are barely hearable, only with my HD 700. This might be the interferences which i spoke of, might be other components and radio waves that have influence to the components.
I can not confirm that the S10e Exynos sounds different or warmer than other devices, asclaimed by anandtech. If so, we would have a technical design fault.
The S10e with CS47L93 and its implementation does'nt spit out a high end sound which can only be subjectivly heard with good til high end phones. If you use budget phones up to 200€ or dollar you should not or barely hear any differences in an A/B comparison. I beef on a very very very high level where most people can not or will not hear any differences.
So the overall quality of the headphone jack is good but not high end. I would not use it as a main player for music. Only with an external DAC over USB-C. But on the road or in bed i have a good music player squashed in a smartphone. You can play, phone, chat, gawk vids and hear music with it. This is awesome isn't it.
P.S. settings i used for A/B comparison:
S10e audio settings:
- Dolby Atmos = off
- Dolby Atmos on games = off
- Equalizer = normal (which maybe means 'off')
- UHQ Upscaler = Bit-Upscaling
- Adapt Sound = standard (which means 'off')
If this standard settings sound thin, then use other or better headpones. This is neutral sound and flat sound as it should be to evaluate headphone sound. Only headphones can give you what you want. Not the DAC or other technics. Playing around with an equalizer can give you a bit but might not satisfy you.
Audio Player = Samsung build in Music Player
Audio Tracks = Kobra and the Lotus - Prevail II album. An rock/metal album with very good and modern production
Audio Files = 44.1 kHz, 16 bit, lossless FLAC
Playing around with the EQ and Adapt Sound gives good and enjoying result with other headphones for me. The rest does not. I advice to set up your own 'adapt sound' profile. Do it in the the most quiet place. It is a hearing test and boost the frequencies (it's an EQ) you can barely hear anymore. If you need more bass use the EQ additionally and boost 63 Herz up to a max of 3 ticks, 125 Herz up to a max of 2 ticks, and optionaly 250 Herz up to only one tick. The other frequencies should be flat. Now you should have a broad stage with extreme highs and a bit of more bass and lower mids for drum punch. If it's not good use another or better headphone. The Samsung sound settings is not anybodies taste but they are there.
UHQ Upscaler is also an EQ which tends to muddy the overall sound.
Dolby Atmos destroys the whole sound stage and tends to sound compressed. I only found it usable for anything but music. E.g. to boost speech clarity in podcasts.

Bluetooth audio worst than s8+ especially on the bass dynamic, the difference is quite obvious .... Overalls disappointed on the audio quality
And the original AKG earphone too, it's sound very flat and plain compared to S8+ AKG earphone

I observed, having access to many different units, that sound quality among same model has quality deviation.
I ve tested 6-7 s10, s10 plus and sound quality in the whole spectrum, earpiece,headset, Bluetooth, had slight differences from unit to unit.
Some have slight distortion, others are crystal clear, others have more depth etc.
The same applies to other headset companies like apple Huawei etc.
I don't know why this happens but usually it's matter of luck to obtain a perfect sounding device.
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Agree. I plugged my S10e into some Yamaha HS8 monitor speakers and it sounded surprisingly bad compared to a proper soundcard. Tinny, missing low end... I was disappointed.

Hello everyone,
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Hello Friends,
Happy New Year 2022
I have the Galaxy S10 PLUS, the Exynos version.
I am listening to Apple Music with the Sony WH-1000XM4 Wireless Noise Cancelling Headphones using the Codec LDAC
I am thinking of offering myself one of those Digital Audio Players such as the KANN ALPHA from Astell&Kern.
Will I make a mistake? Since my understanding is that the Galaxy S10 is good enough to listen to High Resolution music?
Thanks for the assistance,

Again AptxHD Missing again worst experience!

Even the latest Exynos 1000 doesn't support AptxHD and so the snapdragon variant. It's really bad to see that samsung is selling these phones at very high price and offering nothing when it comes to a premium software and hardware experience. No doubt samsung expensive phone looks good outside but what about inside?
Samsung did not implemented A/B partition in any of their phones. Samsung doesn't offer Aptxhd even with snapdragon variant. Samsung phones exynos phones heat-up so much. HDR looks washed out. They reduced the screen resolution from Qhd to Fhd in s21 and s21+. Even S8 has Qhd resolution. They also removed charger and reduced the price about 200usd but in India the price is still higher compare to S20 launch price.
They removed heart rate monitor and iris scanner with S10 and Note 10. Now with S21 they reduced screen resolution to Fhd. Is this a joke?
The software experience is really bad so the hardware. Oneui 3 looks half baked. Samsung own apps still don't have unified UI. Even with Oneui 3.0 some apps look bad and ugly. In samsung apps i never saw optimizations but always ads. Take game Launcher as an example.
The finishing of their phone is bad. Color of their phone wear outs with few scratches.
I have Used Note 3, Note 4, Note 9 and now S21. My experience was always bad. After 1-2 days of purchasing phone i always regret.
No amount of ram can make Samsung phone snappier. No matter how fast screen refresh rate is. It always feel jittery compare to ios 60fps.
I'm going to switch Oneplus or IPhone.
I wish i could return this S21. Worst experience ever. By bye Spen. I want peace not Exynos Crap.

It supports LDAC and LC3. The AptX complaint is valid, its just a licensing cost they dont want to deal with for legacy headphones/earbuds.
I am confused as to why you have purchased another samsung device after so many bad experiences with them in the past though, Joy of android is multiple vendors with their own quirks.

Cool. Thanks for letting us know.

The missing support for AptX-HD is valid complaint. Worse it's the chipset that doesn't support it; no firmware can ever fix it.
LDAC is inferior to AptX-HD.
That's my biggest complaint with the 10+ and Samsung continues deliberately making the same chintzy decision on their flagship phones.
Seems Samsung is too preoccupied pouring money and resources into their floundering Fold project(s).
No bt future proofing here... thanks for nothing Sammy.
And it's not like Samsung didn't know*... lame as it gets.
* many including myself have told them, repeatedly.

blackhawk said:
The missing support for AptX-HD is valid complaint. Worse it's the chipset that doesn't support it; no firmware can ever fix it.
LDAC is inferior to AptX-HD.
That's my biggest complaint with the 10+ and Samsung continues deliberately making the same chintzy decision on their flagship phones.
Seems Samsung is too preoccupied pouring money and resources into their floundering Fold project(s).
No bt future proofing here... thanks for nothing Sammy.
And it's not like Samsung didn't know*... lame as it gets.
* many including myself have told them, repeatedly.
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How is LDAC inferier to AptX-HD? LDAC is 300-990/96/24 AptX-HD is 576/48/24. But support for LC3 essentially makes all AptX codecs useless asides from maybe AptX-LL on the Ultra at least. Another push to get people on tier up for 5.2 support I suppose.

nxneko said:
How is LDAC inferier to AptX-HD? LDAC is 300-990/96/24 AptX-HD is 576/48/24. But support for LC3 essentially makes all AptX codecs useless asides from maybe AptX-LL on the Ultra at least. Another push to get people on tier up for 5.2 support I suppose.
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Here's the argument.
Redirect Notice
I wonder how LDAC would handle an HDCD?
Would it incorporate the subtext as a higher resolution thru put or stay at 16 bits (max resolution of about 22 bits)?
The HDCD was developed by Denon who have been audio innovators for over a century.
At any rate LDAC 20 khz cutoff makes it wholly useless for open air stereo/multichannel applications ie bt speakers.
It destroys the sound stage.
For headphones with no interaction between the higher frequency audio waves in open air this is irrelevant so potentially ok except for its other issues.
Lol, I trust Sony as much as I do Samsung which is not at all.
By removing the 3.5 mm jack Samsung boned us while claiming to be helping us out.
Using the c port as an audio jack is a sick joke.
Wrong hole Sammy...

blackhawk said:
Here's the argument.
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I wonder how LDAC would handle an HDCD?
Would it incorporate the subtext as a higher resolution thru put or stay at 16 bits (max resolution of about 22 bits)?
The HDCD was developed by Denon who have been audio innovators for over a century.
At any rate LDAC 20 khz cutoff makes it wholly useless for open air stereo/multichannel applications ie bt speakers.
It destroys the sound stage.
For headphones with no interaction between the higher frequency audio waves in open air this is irrelevant so potentially ok except for its other issues.
Lol, I trust Sony as much as I do Samsung which is not at all.
By removing the 3.5 mm jack Samsung boned us while claiming to be helping us out.
Using the c port as an audio jack is a sick joke.
Wrong hole Sammy...
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The link provided doesn't seem to indicate what headphones or speakers are being used for reference, so it is interesting for you to make qualitative arguments about sound quality with no evidence to back it up. USBC for audio is fine. But I guess if you really cared about audio you'd buy Sony:
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And I wonder if you think Audeze is also anti good audio then: https://www.xboxaddict.com/Article/375/Audeze-Mobius---Extraordinary-Best-In-Class-Audio.html

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The link provided doesn't seem to indicate what headphones or speakers are being used for reference, so it is interesting for you to make qualitative arguments about sound quality with no evidence to back it up. USBC for audio is fine. But I guess if you really cared about audio you'd buy Sony:
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And I wonder if you think Audeze is also anti good audio then: https://www.xboxaddict.com/Article/375/Audeze-Mobius---Extraordinary-Best-In-Class-Audio.html
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It's the raw data
nxneko said:
The link provided doesn't seem to indicate what headphones or speakers are being used for reference, so it is interesting for you to make qualitative arguments about sound quality with no evidence to back it up. USBC for audio is fine. But I guess if you really cared about audio you'd buy Sony:
View attachment 5205485
And I wonder if you think Audeze is also anti good audio then: https://www.xboxaddict.com/Article/375/Audeze-Mobius---Extraordinary-Best-In-Class-Audio.html
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They're not using any audio drivers; it's purely electronic, a spectrum analyzer.
Great sound from LDAC depends on being able to use 990kbps or at least 660.
However even at 990 it's not hi-res and unsuitable for open air bt speakers as it with severely degrade the sound stage. Bt speakers aren't a viable option for hi-fi. You need a hard wire or toshlink fed (for self powered studio monitors) from high resolution DACs (amp/preamp).
For buds and headphones LDAC is useless if it defaults to 330. Will it throughput at a minimum of 660 preferable 990 without stutter on Samsung devices?
Even less information is available for SSC.
Perhaps LDAC is a good upgrade from SSC but in reality may not sound any better, drivers aside.
SSC works very well on the Samsung phones but isn't close to what a hi res hard wired solution sounds like.
Not encouraging. I'm not in the mood for a $180+ LDAC audio testing experiment...
The link you provided didn't load.

blackhawk said:
It's the raw data
They're not using any audio drivers; it's purely electronic, a spectrum analyzer.
Great sound from LDAC depends on being able to use 990kbps or at least 660.
However even at 990 it's not hi-res and unsuitable for open air bt speakers as it with severely degrade the sound stage. Bt speakers aren't a viable option for hi-fi. You need a hard wire or toshlink fed (for self powered studio monitors) from high resolution DACs (amp/preamp).
For buds and headphones LDAC is useless if it defaults to 330. Will it throughput at a minimum of 660 preferable 990 without stutter on Samsung devices?
Even less information is available for SSC.
Perhaps LDAC is a good upgrade from SSC but in reality may not sound any better, drivers aside.
SSC works very well on the Samsung phones but isn't close to what a hi res hard wired solution sounds like.
Not encouraging. I'm not in the mood for a $180+ LDAC audio testing experiment...
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Link works for me, shows Audeze preferring LDAC over Apt-X. Seems Apt-X is actually not great.
Edit: Scrolled up: Microsoft invented HDCD, not Denon, Sony created the widely used SACD standard. Sony also did walkman and continues to put some of the best audio hardware in their phones compared to the rest of the market.
You seem bitter, bro.
Edit2: Ldac sounds better than aptx-HD even at 330. It doesn't "depend" on anything.

ninjaquick said:
Link works for me, shows Audeze preferring LDAC over Apt-X. Seems Apt-X is actually not great.
Edit: Scrolled up: Microsoft invented HDCD, not Denon, Sony created the widely used SACD standard. Sony also did walkman and continues to put some of the best audio hardware in their phones compared to the rest of the market.
You seem bitter, bro.
Edit2: Ldac sounds better than aptx-HD even at 330. It doesn't "depend" on anything.
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Tried that link twice and it wasn't a hyperlink...
Yes it was Pacific Microsoft... my bad.
AptX-HD isn't a variable bit-rate codec, LDAC is.
So how it will perform on the Samsung is a crap shoot especially if you're limited to 660 kbps, if it degrades to 330 than even SBC is better.
The LDAC noise floor is all screwed up at 660 and below.
With open air stereo drivers it sound like dog meat; not high resolution even at 990.
I'm bored with the bt bs.
None of the bt codecs are high resolution.

There is one other codec Samsung failed to put in all Notes except the Note 8, Samsung UHQ-BT.
Samsung Level On PRO
Bluetooth A2DP Audio Codec Compatibility for Mobile Devices, Headphones, and Speakers
bluetoothcheck.com
It's only supported on two Samsung audio devices. This is one of them. About $178
Samsung Level On PRO Bluetooth Audio Codecs
Samsung Level On PRO Bluetooth Audio Codecs
bluetoothcheck.com
For my 10+ no support.
Bluetooth compatibility of Samsung Galaxy Note10+ with Samsung
Bluetooth compatibility of Samsung Galaxy Note10+ with Samsung Level On PRO
bluetoothcheck.com
So there's that... if you don't read carefully you might think they do support UHQ-BT on their newer phones per Samsung's own releases.
Samsung has employed being cryptic with specs and confusing details for years between its model variants. Even carriers have fallen victim to this occasionally posting the wrong specs for their US variant.
It's quit self serving for Samsung marketing; something for every consumer, even if they don't have it.
While the newer Samsung's don't support UHQ-BT, they do support digital UHQ through the C port. Is it worth potentially busting your C port to listen to high res music?
Probably not but that's your only option for high resolution output.
It was much better when they had the builtin DAC and the 3.5 mm jack on the bloody top of the phone where it should be.

Welp I guess I downgraded in that regard from my pixel 4xl

AlphAndroid said:
Welp I guess I downgraded in that regard from my pixel 4xl
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Meh, get a pair of Buds+ and be happy.
They really are great for calls and music sounds pretty good especially if you use Poweramp and it's equalizer to dial them in.
The bt hookup is near seamless on a Samsung.
Even halfway in they never fall out.
Foam earpieces can be used to boost the bass... my next upgrade.

blackhawk said:
Meh, get a pair of Buds+ and be happy.
They really are great for calls and music sounds pretty good especially if you use Poweramp and it's equalizer to dial them in.
The bt hookup is near seamless on a Samsung.
Even halfway in they never fall out.
Foam earpieces can be used to boost the bass... my next upgrade.
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it's fine for me since i use wired IEMs. I just wanted to take advantage of like a wireless DAC with aptxHD but its not the end of the world.

AlphAndroid said:
it's fine for me since i use wired IEMs. I just wanted to take advantage of like a wireless DAC with aptxHD but its not the end of the world.
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Spot on. My conclusion is all bt codecs are inferior. Their specs including noise floor suck.
Been big of Samsung to keep the 3.5mm jack... on the top. The C port dongle is pretty much useless to me.
Which reminds me... time to rake Sammy over the coals again.
Ah, the simple pleasures in life...

blackhawk said:
My conclusion is all bt codecs are inferior.
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IMO it's more like Bluetooth sucks in general. I mean CDs are like a 40-year-old technology, and the uncompressed data rate is only about 1.4Mbps. Why on earth is handling that kind of data still a challenge in this day and age?! All of these third-party hacks, lossy recompression, and 'standards' with spotty support shouldn't be necessary in the first place.

EbolaCola said:
IMO it's more like Bluetooth sucks in general. I mean CDs are a 40-year-old technology, and the uncompressed data rate is only about 1.4Mbps. Why on earth is handling that kind of data still a challenge in this day and age?! All of these third-party hacks and 'standards' with spotty support shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
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Consumer ignorance. It's a steep learning curve.
Try setting up a good listening room. It's actually much harder than most realize.
If you're starting from no knowledge in acoustics it's impossible to do right.

@ Ayush Garg said:
Even the latest Exynos 1000 doesn't support AptxHD and so the snapdragon variant. It's really bad to see that samsung is selling these phones at very high price and offering nothing when it comes to a premium software and hardware experience. No doubt samsung expensive phone looks good outside but what about inside?
Samsung did not implemented A/B partition in any of their phones. Samsung doesn't offer Aptxhd even with snapdragon variant. Samsung phones exynos phones heat-up so much. HDR looks washed out. They reduced the screen resolution from Qhd to Fhd in s21 and s21+. Even S8 has Qhd resolution. They also removed charger and reduced the price about 200usd but in India the price is still higher compare to S20 launch price.
They removed heart rate monitor and iris scanner with S10 and Note 10. Now with S21 they reduced screen resolution to Fhd. Is this a joke?
The software experience is really bad so the hardware. Oneui 3 looks half baked. Samsung own apps still don't have unified UI. Even with Oneui 3.0 some apps look bad and ugly. In samsung apps i never saw optimizations but always ads. Take game Launcher as an example.
The finishing of their phone is bad. Color of their phone wear outs with few scratches.
I have Used Note 3, Note 4, Note 9 and now S21. My experience was always bad. After 1-2 days of purchasing phone i always regret.
No amount of ram can make Samsung phone snappier. No matter how fast screen refresh rate is. It always feel jittery compare to ios 60fps.
I'm going to switch Oneplus or IPhone.
I wish i could return this S21. Worst experience ever. By bye Spen. I want peace not Exynos Crap.
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Don't buy samsung then? Boom issue sorted, yapp