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I am a happy Galaxy S I9000 owner. And I would like to purchase my next cell phone model. I am looking to Galaxy Note. Would you kindly post your impressions and any pros and cons.
Thanks
Cheers, Darius
Pros - too much to write about (don't have enough time now)
Cons - There's no return to other Smartphones. It's just too addictive .
look out for pixel problems
DMax99 said:
look out for pixel problems
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Thanks. What application do you suggest for that?
buk_grudziadz said:
Pros - too much to write about (don't have enough time now)
Cons - There's no return to other Smartphones. It's just too addictive .
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Thanks for prompt reply
Pros:
- Huge, beautiful, detailed screen
- S-Pen (I use it pretty frequently for taking notes, screenshots etc.)
- Great speed
- ICS coming
- Great camera
- Did I mention the lovely screen?
Cons:
- Notification LED missing (I got used to it on Desire)
- For some the screen might just be too big, so try it out before you buy it.
- You really won't like smaller screens after a few days
Oh and the phone has some difficulties with the black color in films. As I read, it is because the screen has 24-bit color depth, which is uncommon yet amongst programs (to an expert: please correct me if I'm wrong!)
Feel free to ask, if you have further questions!
Hello Darius, I've owned both the SGS1 & 2, and now the Note. I had some misgivings about the Note too, especially since the demo units at the local Samsung shops felt laggy to me. But I did much research and finally got the phone, and it's one of the best decisions I ever made.
Pros:
Huge size makes browsing, checking email and ebook reading a breeze. It's large enough for me to decide to sell off my rooted NookColor as this is much more flexible, portable and has much better features. I find it easier to hold the phone and take photos because of the size, as compared to the SGS2 which was too thin for me to hold comfortably.
Doesn't matter what conflicting information there are out there about pentile display, the screen is beautiful and the colours lovely, not over-saturated like SGS2. Banding is also much better than what the SGS2 suffered from.
Battery life and camera seem comparable to SGS2, if not better. No issues with dead pixels, pink spots, green whatever...I did notice that the display is a tad uneven with a flat grey wallpaper/background, but that was true of my SGS2 as well. In real life I do not use an even toned grey wallpaper, so that doesn't bother me at all. And it's pointless to get all stressed out over little things like that as my life is exciting enough.
The s-pen makes taking notes on the fly so much easier and cooler than digging around for a pen to write on your palm! I like being able to take screen captures too. Hopefully my artistic career will take off because of this phone. Nah...just kidding!
Cons:
Huge size means the self-conscious people may feel somewhat clownish with this. You'll have to put up with a few--not that many--stares, rubber necks and looks of horror from the unenlightened. Those who had owned Palms or are suffering from long sightedness will doubtless praise you for your gorgeous new gadget. Those who wear tight jeans may not be so crazy about it.
It comes with bloatware that slow down the phone (at least for speed freaks like me) and take up space. Thus you may need to root--please read extensively before doing so--in order to freeze or delete the bloatware. This is subjective as some people don't find the bloatware an issue, but I've always rooted my phones and my hands get itchy when I don't. Perhaps once the official ICS comes out, I will no longer need to root as I understand that you can easily delete unwanted apps.
Some apps are not meant for phones this size and may not take up the entire screen, or will look a little soft. So far these tend to be games. It's not a deal breaker for me because I don't play many games and can easily look for alternative games.
And the greatest problem, I feel, is that I may never settle for a smaller phone in the future!
holgalee said:
Hello Darius, I've owned both the SGS1 & 2, and now the Note. I had some misgivings about the Note too, especially since the demo units at the local Samsung shops felt laggy to me.
Pros:
Huge size makes browsing, checking email and ebook reading a breeze. It's large enough for me to decide to sell off my rooted NookColor as this is much more flexible, portable and has much better features.
Doesn't matter what conflicting information there are out there about pentile display, the screen is beautiful and the colours lovely, not over-saturated like SGS2. Banding is also much better than what the SGS2 suffered from.
Cons:
Huge size means the self-conscious people may feel somewhat clownish with this.
It comes with bloatware that slow down the phone (at least for speed freaks like me) and take up space. Thus you may need to root--please read extensively before doing so--in order to freeze or delete the bloatware.
Doubt if you will ever settle for a smaller phone in the future!
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Bcroc said:
Pros:
- Huge, beautiful, detailed screen
- S-Pen (I use it pretty frequently for taking notes, screenshots etc.)
- Great speed
- ICS coming
- Great camera
- Did I mention the lovely screen?
Cons:
- Notification LED missing (I got used to it on Desire)
- For some the screen might just be too big, so try it out before you buy it.
- You really won't like smaller screens after a few days
Oh and the phone has some difficulties with the black color in films. As I read, it is because the screen has 24-bit color depth, which is uncommon yet amongst programs (to an expert: please correct me if I'm wrong!)
Feel free to ask, if you have further questions!
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Thank you very much for sharing
You're most welcome. Uh...I added a bit more info after you read and thanked me.
My pros and cons are at my blog, AndroidNZ.net
So far I've written about 8,000 words or something in my review, and the last part is nearly done and currently coming in at around 4,600 words.
If you really want to know the pros and cons in detail that is.
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I mean...pray that you won't get one with Dead Pixels like the one that I got recently
I heard there are some screen quality issues with the Note from this forum but didn't think I would be unlucky enough to get one. But guess what....
But hey...I'm sure you will be luckier than me....and apart from that....it's a GREAT device
Well the only issues you would face are with the screen and nothing else. If you are buying at some store do sure to take "dead pixel checker" or "screen test" software with you (in ur older phone). You can transfer em to the new phone via bluetooth and test the screen.
Otherwise U can go to the service menu and check the RGB screens for any dead pixel. Best way to check for dead pixel is to lower the brightness to 0% and take the phone in a dark environment if possible and look from a distance of about 5 inches. Otherwise its really hard to make out dead pixels in bright lights, but if they are there and you are watching a movie at night in the bed, u wont be too happy to find em. As others have said the screen is uneven on gray color. Do check out the grey color and see if there are any smudges and try to see them on other normal screens. If they are not there then all good.
Regarding dead pixels till now, only white stuck pixels have been reported (me a victim as well). And stuck pixels (particularly in this phone) are visible only on grey color. If you have any more doubts dont hesitate to ask, would be glad to help !!!
I have had both. The biggest decision is the screen. Its fantastic to look at and work on but its massive to deal with. I'm sometimes a little scared I may drop the device and one handed is nearly impossible - which is generally not a big deal except for taking pictures sometimes. Jury is still out.
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Thank you everybody for sharing. I have already exchanged my SGS to Note. Very happy. Seems to be no dead pixels.
buk_grudziadz said:
Pros - too much to write about (don't have enough time now)
Cons - There's no return to other Smartphones. It's just too addictive .
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most super amoled srceen does not have dead or stuck pixels, is this because of the density of the screen using the 1280-720 screen, also to hijack the thread, what will ppl consider between the note or galaxy nexus, why i'm asking, i will be getting either one next week, so ppls opinion would be great.
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Hi everyone,
I will be upgrading in late Feb. The options are: another s2 or Note.
Love my s2 (rooted with Illusion-xT v1.4.2 - XWKL1 2.3.6) , played a bit with Note and its size is not a problem for me.
I really have no time to go through the forum to find my answers.
I'd like to know:
- the battery life compared to s2
- does Note do everything that s2 does?
- call recording quality pls, does anyone use Total Recall?
- application compatibility with s2
- overall performance compared to s2
- your experience if you are owning both s2 and Note
- TV out - like in s2?
Thanks a lot guys!
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- the battery life compared to s2
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About roughly the same, the 250mAH is to feed the huge screen. I get the same video playback time of 9hrs on the S2 and on the Note. Gaming might suffer since it needs to compute for more pixels.
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- application compatibility with s2
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No issues, Andriod apps mostly scale to the screen and if they dont developers fix then quite fast.
qwerty1q said:
- does Note do everything that s2 does?
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The Galaxy Note is different device but is an upgrade for the Galaxy S2 in a way.
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- overall performance compared to s2
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Some say the note lags/UI stutters more than the Galaxy S2.. this is only true when you use the pinch to view the home screen or the app drawer which is a TW issue, anything other than that the Note does things FASTER than the S2 which is expected as it is a better device even under the hood.
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- your experience if you are owning both s2 and Note
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I find it difficult to now use a phone with anything less than 5.3" of a screen, this is one major drawback once you get attached to the Galaxy note.
Altho both phones are not with out its issues, faces similar issues on both ends though
You havent asked this but the GPS on the Gnote is amazing, you can even get a signal lock indoors all of this due to the GLONASS that it has, but its not that accurate as compared to dedicated GPS devices yet.
Thank you EarlZ
Yes I ve forgotten to ask about GPS as I am gonna use my Copilot and Sygic very often.
What about TV-out - the same as s2?
Howdy.
Typed up a quick compairison between the two if you wanna take a moment to read it here.
One thing that I didn't mention in that post is TV out, and it's exactly the same as you would do so on a GSII; plug in an MHL adapter.
I personally haven't used GPS on the phone enough to count, but everyone else who has, has said it's the best they've used thus far. Much better than a GSII
If you go for it, you'll love it.
And hey! If you're not satisfied with it, go ahead and sell it and use those funds for either a new GSII or, when the time comes, put it towards it's successor.
But I doubt you'll want to once you get your hands on this baby
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Thank you EarlZ
Yes I ve forgotten to ask about GPS as I am gonna use my Copilot and Sygic very often.
What about TV-out - the same as s2?
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I've never used TV out on the S2 but I assume they will be exactly the same.
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Thank you EarlZ
Yes I ve forgotten to ask about GPS as I am gonna use my Copilot and Sygic very often.
What about TV-out - the same as s2?
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I've never used TV out on the S2 but I assume they will be exactly the same.
DarkShot666
Just took a quick peek at your post and I noticed you mention at 25% there is no issue viewing it under direct sunlight? I even have issues with the S2 or the note at 100% brightness under direct sunlight well ofcourse this varies how bright the sun is shining though.
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Just took a quick peek at your post and I noticed you mention at 25% there is no issue viewing it under direct sunlight? I even have issues with the S2 or the note at 100% brightness under direct sunlight well ofcourse this varies how bright the sun is shining though.
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I've personally never noticed any issues. It could very well be that any light that I was under wasn't 100% dead on, but my Note screen is always one of two brightness levels: 25% and 0%. I've never had a need to crank it any more.
Are you a big guy? (ie 6" + ?)
Then get the Note.
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Used on both. More or less the same, yes.
For both devices, however, the system UI outputs at native resolution. So when you're web browsing or just going through menus and such, the S2 is at 800x480, the Note is 1280x800; noticeable difference.
I will say though, that the Note does seem to slow down quite a bit when hooked up to the TV for moving about the UI or playing games and such (mainly because, not only does it have to render 3x as many pixels already, but now it's doing it twice over(!!!), it's quite a burden, and it shows.
That said, it's still (mostly) functional, and when using it for video output (even full 1080p), it is flawless there.
P.S. I'm selling my international GS2 if you're interested. Send me a PM
Is this phone any good I am currently waiting on it's release and I want opinions from owners of this device. It seems to be a really nice phone but we all know looks can be deceiving.
My friend read this tread below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1474891
Go read some reviews - there are plenty. But make sure to only pay attention to reviewers who clearly used the device for a few days or more.
Many first impression reviews/unboxing videos state 'obvious' things that clearly aren't true after you use it a few days.
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Go read some reviews - there are plenty. But make sure to only pay attention to reviewers who clearly used the device for a few days or more.
Many first impression reviews/unboxing videos state 'obvious' things that clearly aren't true after you use it a few days.
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Agree.The Note will blow almost everyone away on first impression because of it's size and eye catching dynamic display but it does have some issues once you have used it for a while.
Most issues like lag and banding are not severe and can be fixed with mods but the one issue that cannot be fixed right now is the pixelation in dark shadows which can be a deal breaker some people.For most it won't be a deal breaker and most won't even notice the problem unless they watch a lot of movies in a dark room.
Samsung could fix the problem with an update and supercurio is working on an app to address the issue so there is hope there as well.
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Is this phone any good I am currently waiting on it's release and I want opinions from owners of this device. It seems to be a really nice phone but we all know looks can be deceiving.
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It's an OK'ISH phone. It may be too big for you, although the pentile display is not noticeable from a foot away but any closer you will notice them, there are colour rendering issues(you will see colour banding, Samsung always tend to screw up display just to make colour POOP. never a fan of Samsung dnie engine), audio dac is. Not up to par with iphone or SGS in terms of sound quality, the stock keyboard is laggy, not popular among dev yet, no ics leak for note so far, no calibration for stylus, power button and volume button are nor ergonomically placed, (you have a high chance of changing the volume wile unlocking on one hand operation or vice versa), it can't run crisis or ios, sometimes life is a wet BANANA. FRIDAY.
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Thank you for all your helpful replies everyone. It sounds a little buggy right now so I don't know if I want it so soon maybe after some fixes for things I will get it.
Seriously can't work this one out, do I get my screen changed or not?
Should I wait to see if ICS makes it any better?
This phone is perfect for me except this issue with the blacks / greys. Even when i zoom in on dark parts of pictures taken with the phones camera it turns into a pixelated mess, so this is defiantly not a low quality source issue, its hardware or software related, but which?
Advice please guys. Many thanks!
I know! Right?
The screen Is freaking awesome, simply the best on any smartphone, but why those blacks haven't been fixed yet???
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I really am at a loss to what you guys are complaining about. I'm either not that fussy, or deluded to the fact that what I think I am seeing as 'bad' I pass off as something else.
From what I've read around the forums, what should be a shaded series of greys/blacks in an area are appearing as blocks of black/darkgrey instead of a gradual change.
I've always thought this was down to how videos/images where compressed or decompressed and displayed - which would almost certainly be software and not hardware?
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I really am at a loss to what you guys are complaining about. I'm either not that fussy, or deluded to the fact that what I think I am seeing as 'bad' I pass off as something else.
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Same here. My blacks look fine most of the time. When I do get grey blockiness I'm pretty sure it's due to poor compression in the video file, because other videos, large black areas look fine.
Can anyone give a link to a video available online in which this problem occurs (and the point in the video we should be looking at).
Maybe then we can get some objective testing with everyone using the same source file.
Maybe even have people doing screenshots to compare screens.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366014&page=4
I'm rarely using my phone in dark enough conditions to notice.
ICS should improve gradients, but won't fix the black crush if it is indeed a problem with the screen hardware.
I am probably going to regret this, as my Note was perfect except for this black crush issue, but I sent mine back to be replaced. And the issue was not just on videos for me so poor quality encodes are not the problem, I was getting it even with pictures taken with the phones camera. Said pictures taken with the Note displayed fine on my pc and my wifes Galaxy s 2, so it is deffo a problem with the device.
Please lets not turn this into another "who cares" or "its not that noticeable" debate like the other threads, all I am aiming at with this thread from now is to find out if there are any Notes in existence that do not have this issue!
Thanks.
I refuse to look for a problem that is not there.....
There is no phone or portable device in existence that is color accurate, either tonally or temperature or gamma correct out of the box, and to expect such is to be, well, expecting quite a bit too much.
Why do i make that statement?.. Well, given that a monitor or TV at ANY price are not accurately calibrated.
To get an accurately calibrated monitor requires a display worth using, then a color tone/temperature/gamma calibration system (which is ~$200 & up) and software that can use the resulting calibration profiles...
The SGN is a phone... tbh there is no "fault" or "problem" here, other than unrealistic customer expectations...
Would a settings app that could set globally set color temp & gamma be helpful? sure.. there is enough color temp variation in the spread of production tolerances in phone to make this useful... stop a ll the pink white /blue white issues
But will it make the SGN a color accurate display?.. no.
So... lets wave a magic wand and make it so... whats the point? the camera does not justify it, the movies you watch are overly compressed and not color accurate (never mind compression artifacts of banding, blocking and shading), youtube videos have no quality controls.. online TV, website videos and stills have major color saturation issues.. so what content will you access that is going to be useable on a color accurate display?..
well, 4 beers down and 2c more spent..
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I refuse to look for a problem that is not there.....
There is no phone or portable device in existence that is color accurate, either tonally or temperature or gamma correct out of the box, and to expect such is to be, well, expecting quite a bit too much.
Why do i make that statement?.. Well, given that a monitor or TV at ANY price are not accurately calibrated.
To get an accurately calibrated monitor requires a display worth using, then a color tone/temperature/gamma calibration system (which is ~$200 & up) and software that can use the resulting calibration profiles...
The SGN is a phone... tbh there is no "fault" or "problem" here, other than unrealistic customer expectations...
Would a settings app that could set globally set color temp & gamma be helpful? sure.. there is enough color temp variation in the spread of production tolerances in phone to make this useful... stop a ll the pink white /blue white issues
But will it make the SGN a color accurate display?.. no.
So... lets wave a magic wand and make it so... whats the point? the camera does not justify it, the movies you watch are overly compressed and not color accurate (never mind compression artifacts of banding, blocking and shading), youtube videos have no quality controls.. online TV, website videos and stills have major color saturation issues.. so what content will you access that is going to be useable on a color accurate display?..
well, 4 beers down and 2c more spent..
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Dude, my pc plays / displays these movies and images fine with no artifacts, as does my tv, as does my partners Galaxy s 2, as does my Nexus s, so how can you say that there is no problem?
Anyway, I just had a look at my cousins Galaxy Note and that one is playing these movies fine, and is displaying the pictures taken with my Note without the chess board effect, so if you are happy to pay over £400 for a defective device thats up to you, but many of us expect to get what we paid for.
I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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I agree with you it is a problem and even supercurio has been on it and he is a developer so someting isnt right so lets hope it gets fixed cause many people suffer with it
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I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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The problem is clear enough to see there, but it's not one I've ever noticed on my Note. I just tried playing this YouTube clip on my Note....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxd2n8S4AE
and could see nothing wrong with the video performance in a darkened (curtains drawn during daytime) room. I wonder how well this clip plays for other people on the Note.
I made a video of the Note playing this clip and I'm uploading it at the moment. It will take a while (81 minutes remaining at the moment) as I shot in 1080p. I'll post a link when it's ready.
FWIW I'm on the latest official ROM and my phone was sourced from Germany in early November. From my perspective there is no problem, which might make it quite hard for Samsung to fix.
My Note is running on ICS (CM9) and the color rendering is substantially improved over stock GB. Gradients are smoother and blacks are rendered cleaner.
My video is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl0SKxnqa2I
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My video is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl0SKxnqa2I
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I've played the same clip on my Note and it looks exactly like yours, no banding/crushing/clipping whatsoever.
I've tried a lot of Youtube clips and movie trailers but in only one of them I could see obvious artefacts during a fade out. I played the same clip on my pc and saw the same thing happen there so that's probably just lousy encoding.
Thanks for putting that video up, I hope my replacement looks like yours, its due tomorrow.
I got me new note, this one is set to uk language instead of german like the one I returned. It has the exact same issue, drops from 4 grey to 3 complete black and i am still getting the clipping, bloody Samsung, this was meant to be an upgrade from my nexus s, but most stuff looks better on that! Not gonna excahnge again, I will wait for ICS and see if Samsung actually acknowledge the issue.
@Mystic38. Whilst I agree with you that most consumer devices don't come calibrated to industry standards and that most consumer devices lack the essential settings found on the most basic of professional displays, I fail to see how any colour, contrast, hue, gamma or brightness calibration would affect the overall appearance, unless of course you are cranking the settings beyond anything useful and crushing the dynamics intentionally.
It's difficult to introduce visual banding or blocking in high BIT rate video or lightly compressed images by tweaking settings and calibration by a couple of percent alone, as there are near on 17 million colours. This leaves thousands of grey levels to play with and the human eye shouldn't notice banding or blocking with that many greys.
This presumably points to an issue with the way that video is presented to the screen driver or how the screen driver drives the screen. There's probably an issue with crushing where the hardware converts the digital signal to electronic levels of each AMOLED element. I have seen this problem on other devices, not just phones and most of the time it was rectified after a software upgrade.
Another thing to remember is that companies like Samsung are fully aware and accommodating of the fact that a lot of people now use these types of phones as monitors for photography and video production as I do. I use DSLR Controller and have no problem with crushing. Using the phone as a monitor has been extremely helpful and negated the expense of something which would have cost over 10 times the price.
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I just got round to trying the ,png gamma test file on my Note. It fails the test. Everything below 4 is black and as you go through the numbers from 4 and above there are bands grouping four levels into one tone. Worse still, the tones alternate from greenish to purple instead of being shades of grey. Interestingly if I perform a screen capture the capture is a true reflection of what I see, which implies to me that the Note is actually sending bad values to the screen rather than a hardware problem, because surely the screen capture only cares about the data, not the physical appearance produced.
Looking at the same file on my laptop everything is presented correctly, so obviously the file is not the problem.
Yet despite failing this test I have never noticed a problem with the Note to cause me concern in normal every day use.
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I just got round to trying the ,png gamma test file on my Note. It fails the test. Everything below 4 is black and as you go through the numbers from 4 and above there are bands grouping four levels into one tone. Worse still, the tones alternate from greenish to purple instead of being shades of grey. Interestingly if I perform a screen capture the capture is a true reflection of what I see, which implies to me that the Note is actually sending bad values to the screen rather than a hardware problem, because surely the screen capture only cares about the data, not the physical appearance produced.
Looking at the same file on my laptop everything is presented correctly, so obviously the file is not the problem.
Yet despite failing this test I have never noticed a problem with the Note to cause me concern in normal every day use.
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Have you viewed it in the gallery or in a browser? With my Note everything below 4 is crushed in the stock ICS browser but I can see everything in the gallery.
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Have you viewed it in the gallery or in a browser? With my Note everything below 4 is crushed in the stock ICS browser but I can see everything in the gallery.
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I think the gallery uses a different color gradient and temperature than the stock ICS browser, much as if you view a rich encoded black contrast video on the stock video player and on a custom app video player like MX player... you get varying results...
I think this issue is a mix of both a hardware and software one, and though the Official ICS upgrade "might" alleviate this problem, I surely believe also that since this is a combination of a hardware problem, the clippings are still there but perhaps not quite noticeable anymore....
One of the things I have wondered about the Note 4 is how much better the QHD screen was in real-world comparision with 1080p. We all know the specs are amazing but does it really matter in everyday use?
When I played around with the Note 4 briefly I was astounded with the quality of the sample QHD videos. However in general use it didn't seem that much better than the GS5 next to it. I didn't get the opportunity to do web reading where QHD might matter.
So my question to those with the Note 4 particularly for those who have used the Note 3 as well: how much better is the screen in actual real-world use based on your subjective experience. Where does it make the most difference: videos, gaming, web reading ?
If you have done side-by-side comparison of the Note 3/4 in any of these activities that would be especially interesting.
Screen is better in everyway yes you mostly dont notice higher res but with small writings you can definitly see the sharpness. But mostly screen is better in other ways like better brightness better colors