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Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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If you can wait, I would recomend it. Too many problems.
To be honest, my device doesn't have 90% of the bugs reported in these forums. I probably have one of the newer stocks of the product. The only bug that i come across on a daily basis is the unstable face unlock. Have no over heating issues, stellar performance, manageable battery life (gotta be honest, not its strong point), fantastic camera (raw with gcam), super easy to mod
I'm totally in love with this phone. Hasn't let me down in any way. But yeah, if you're able to wait for the Mi A3 then that would be better. But if you want something now, this device is worth the money. If android one isn't your prime focus then check out the redmi 7
If you want nice custom ROMs buy Mi A2, because you must wait a lot of time after Mi A3 released for TWRP and etc ...!!
I have mi a1 and mi a2, so far both phones had zero issues whatsoever, none of the bugs reported here. To be fair I'd go for the mi a2 it is a great phone, and I love it.
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If you can wait, I would recomend it. Too many problems.
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Too many bugs you expireanced your self, or to many bugs yeah heard some one that heard some one that had a friend who had another friend who possibly had the phone that might have had or might have had not any bugs?
I don't have any issue with my Mi A2, I am using stock Pie, not unlocked, not rooted. . . everything is working normal, just notification led is laggy and laggy animations when live wallpapers applied, but better buy Mi A3 xD
mi a3 is probly coming just in the autumn this year, so no probably not worth the wait. if you want a xiaomi with android one the a2 is your best bet. like others said, if you want a miui xiaomi you can find better options at the same price (poco f1, redmi notes), if you're willing to spend more look also at the nokias with android one.
I really like this phone and have zero issues with it. waiting will take 6+ months
remember that the problems reported here are specially amplified when compared with how many units xiaomi sold, and really small for all the leechers inthis forum
however, I also have the a2-nokia-equivalent, the nokia 7 plus. if you can afford the difference go for it. it has camera2api and volte enabled by default. it also has widevide l1 codec and better build quality. the update to the pie also arrived a lot faster.
tixoo said:
I have mi a1 and mi a2, so far both phones had zero issues whatsoever, none of the bugs reported here. To be fair I'd go for the mi a2 it is a great phone, and I love it.
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Too many bugs you expireanced your self, or to many bugs yeah heard some one that heard some one that had a friend who had another friend who possibly had the phone that might have had or might have had not any bugs?
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Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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The Support and Development community for this device has been superb. The members here on XDA have really gone all out to make up for Xiaomi's shortcomings.
So if you can get one relatively inexpensive, go for it.
If you are willing, have patience and know how to deal with custom roms - yeah, it's a gr8 device with some issues (I don't like the vibration motor, lol)
If you want to buy it just for the official "very vell supported" android one experience - forget it... and in my opinion - forget about MI3. Buy Pixel or at least Nokia.
Now I'm rocking AOSP Extended ROM + Gcam + Lawnchair V2 Alpha + QuickSwitch Magisk Module. And device feels very smooth.
Also we just got Ressurection Remix 7.0, so I'm keeping an eye on it. ROM support is awesome here, and it keeps coming.
But... on custom ROM I haven't found a way to get a stable camera yet...
I used MI Cam, Gcam - and they have bugs... None of them support 60 FPS + EIS recording.
This is nr. 1 thing that's missing for me right now... normal bugless camera.
So yeah... it depends dude...
On thursday my Redmi 3s stopped working, i just could not power it on, so i have decided to buy a new phone, i was considering either Mi A2 or ASUS Max pro M1. This one won because better camera and Android one. I am planning to stay in stock ROM at least for a year because of the warranty, i guess this is gonna be a huge difference to previous Havoc OS.
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On thursday my Redmi 3s stopped working, i just could not power it on, so i have decided to buy a new phone, i was considering either Mi A2 or ASUS Max pro M1. This one won because better camera and Android one. I am planning to stay in stock ROM at least for a year because of the warranty, i guess this is gonna be a huge difference to previous Havoc OS.
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it's an easier switch compared to say... miui to android one.
i've switched to the a2 from a mido with official lineage and while i missed some things i have to say it was a pretty easy adjustment. and stock is stock. it just works.
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Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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Here are my 2 rupees :laugh: and a bit of a rant which I hope clears your doubts:
I used A1 and currently using A2 with buyer's remorse (should have bought Nokia). I got both these devices for the clean Android experience and it is not turning out to be the case. A2 now has MIUI like "about phone" setting at the top in settings. There is no clear rules on how Google decides which phone will become an Android One phone. I am starting to think that this Android one project is just for the name sake, I don't see any google's direct involvement in this project, we can argue that google makes the builds and vendors just add their features but again doesn't every other manufacturer does that like Samsung and LG, they take the AOSP builds and tweak them as per their requirements (correct me if I am wrong). Monthly security patches are mandatory by google but not every manufacturer follows it. To sum it up Android One is no longer that essential or a distinctive "feature", it is a package that gives you monthly security updates and new version upgrades.
This "A" series now seems to be an upper mid-range or lower high-end one and with A2's price and chipset, it is clear that Xiaomi is starting to charge a bit of a premium (cameras are really average), so why not also wait for Google's new Pixel lite? The price will be higher but you will have developers support like anything else. A2 doesn't even have an official twrp and the developer support seems scarce to say the least. On that note, if you want custom ROM support, wait a few months after the launch, if lot of people buy it then developers will support it, A2 got shadowed by Poco (Xiaomi gave F1s to developers for free to develop ROMs for it.). A1's development got gradually better over time because it didn't had any incident like that.
The current problems with A2: Slow emmc, No camera2api support (Even nokia's, cheaper than A2, 6.1 plus has it), mono audio recording, no arcore, low headphone volume like really low, Xiaomi's freedom of changing UI interface (Android One's ambiguity), average cameras, proximity sensor, smaller battery.
If every problem is fixed in A3 i'll also buy it, heck even if they kept the same cameras and enabled cam2 api it'll be enough to give me freedom to use other camera apps like google's tweaked camera or manual camera for better utilization of camera. If they fix everything I'll also get A3 if they don't i'll look for other options and certainly not buy A2 right now
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Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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it's not just half year, realistically you can probly find the a3 for sale at a decent price only in autumn. a1 launched in september 2017, a2 launched late summer, they both had normal pricing and availability just in late late autumn more like holiday season. as others pointed out, the a2-s worse nightmare was nokia and the poco f1. chances are a3 will face the same fierce competition in the form of the future f2 and whatever nokia has to say.
laviniu_c said:
it's not just half year, realistically you can probly find the a3 for sale at a decent price only in autumn. a1 launched in september 2017, a2 launched late summer, they both had normal pricing and availability just in late late autumn more like holiday season. as others pointed out, the a2-s worse nightmare was nokia and the poco f1. chances are a3 will face the same fierce competition in the form of the future f2 and whatever nokia has to say.
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actually this is a good point, the best that would convince me that waiting is not worth it
A2 128GB (which i have bought currently, cuz no SD slot) was at good price about a month before christmas.
so yeah, i would actually wait almost a year
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Martin213 said:
Hi guys. I need an advise on wich phone to choose Mi 9T pro or Redmi note 8 pro. I'm not a heavy gamer. For me most important is camera,battery and community support (yes i know about 8 Pro Helio soc). Watched many videos in YouTube and still can't decide which device to choose. Seems both have a good camera's and decent battery life. Help me to choose ?
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My biggest influences was that I didn't want a notch or punch hole and wanted to ensure a decent level of custom ROM support.
It sounds like MTK are looking to be a bit more dev friendly, but personally I would want to see that happen first before considering an MTK device.
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Martin213 said:
What about camera between these two? I prefer better camera over notch/punch hole (i don't like those too) but community support Is most important for a long term usage...
Maybe i have to wait a bit longer and see what will happen with 8 Pro and development.
Thx
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The jury is out, with regards the camera. DXOmark didn't think it was anything special. There is a limit to how many pixels you can cram in such a tiny space and I reckon the Samsung ISOCELL chip had pushed things too far. It will be relying, too much, on post processing to remove the noise. Keeping around the 48MP range of the Sony and of their earlier ISOCELL sensor (so 12MP effective for most shots), with the larger sensor size could have given them a sweet spot.
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what are the advantages of pixel 5 against onePlus 8 pro?
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I7210I said:
Hi
what are the advantages of pixel 5 against onePlus 8 pro?
Thank you
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Updates I'm on 7t pro soon as 8 come out they drop the last phone
jaythenut said:
Updates I'm on 7t pro soon as 8 come out they drop the last phone
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onePlus droped the updates as soon as the 8 comes out?
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I7210I said:
onePlus droped the updates as soon as the 8 comes out?
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OnePlus 6T user here migrating to a Pixel 5. OnePlus updates slow significantly over time. 18th months after device launch your phone is 3rd tier for their development team. Below is the device update history from T-Mobile for the OnePlus 6T. Notice the change in release frequency from launch till current. I'm buying the Pixel 5 because of poor update support from OnePlus. Samsung has superior device software support to OnePlus.
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/android/oneplus-6t/software-updates-oneplus-6t
interest , i thought that onePlus won't do such things, i thought that they will not leave the users
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I7210I said:
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what are the advantages of pixel 5 against onePlus 8 pro?
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Advantages are
1 .Camera
2.software
3. Updates
cultofluna said:
Advantages are
1 .Camera
2.software
3. Updates
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as far as i saw from camera examples, the differences for regular people where not compare to SLR cameras are not so high , they improve the camera at the onePlus 8 pro, do i wrong?
about the updates, the onePlus 8 pro have the android 11 , the onePlus 7 have the android 10 and will get in month or two the android 11, also the onePlus 6 as far as i read, so whats the big deal?
at the other hand we are getting higher battery size, stronger processor, and larger screen , isn't it?
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as far as i saw from camera examples, the differences for regular people where not compare to SLR cameras are not so high , they improve the camera at the onePlus 8 pro, do i wrong?
about the updates, the onePlus 8 pro have the android 11 , the onePlus 7 have the android 10 and will get in month or two the android 11, also the onePlus 6 as far as i read, so whats the big deal?
at the other hand we are getting higher battery size, stronger processor, and larger screen , isn't it?
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I have the 8pro..
Still..
1Pixel camera is Better
2software us undeniable better( mother Google..THEY are making the software)
3 every month the same date and time comes update for all Google phones...( No one can or doing this)
And don't forget pixel takes update and rest of the phones are following...
You ask about advantages on Pixel...
Of course are also disanvantages.....but you didn't ask about it...
cultofluna said:
I have the 8pro..
Still..
1Pixel camera is Better
2software us undeniable better( mother Google..THEY are making the software)
3 every month the same date and time comes update for all Google phones...( No one can or doing this)
And don't forget pixel takes update and rest of the phones are following...
You ask about advantages on Pixel...
Of course are also disanvantages.....but you didn't ask about it...
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OK so what are the disadvantages?
Also, the camera is with such difference?!
software updates every months is more security, when there is major update(version) it is going to OnePlus too as far as i saw
I7210I said:
OK so what are the disadvantages?
Also, the camera is with such difference?!
software updates every months is more security, when there is major update(version) it is going to OnePlus too as far as i saw
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The oneplus does not have official 11, it's just a beta release
-P5 is a more managable size.
-Updates, 3 years of updates too.
-I've never ran OxygenOS on my OP6 because I've always had issues with it not giving me timely notifications. People probably think I'm crazy when I say that but AOSP roms don't have that issue for me. I'd prefer to run stock, maybe rooted at this point.
-Camera
Gibsonflyingv said:
-P5 is a more managable size.
-Updates, 3 years of updates too.
-I've never ran OxygenOS on my OP6 because I've always had issues with it not giving me timely notifications. People probably think I'm crazy when I say that but AOSP roms don't have that issue for me. I'd prefer to run stock, maybe rooted at this point.
-Camera
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onePlus are not update the devices?
managable size is each hand different per person i guess.
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I7210I said:
onePlus are not update the devices?
managable size is each hand different per person i guess.
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Oneplus only does 2 years.
and what are the disadvantages of the p5?
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and what are the disadvantages of the p5?
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Disanvantages p5 vs OP8PRO
1. SD 765 vs SD 865 ( way more powerful SoC on the 8pro)
2. FHD/90hz vs QHD/120hz
On all other aspects P5 is better ( software is the big advantage for the pixel5 , where Google is unbeatable)
cultofluna said:
Disanvantages p5 vs OP8PRO
1. SD 765 vs SD 865 ( way more powerful SoC on the 8pro)
2. FHD/90hz vs QHD/120hz
On all other aspects P5 is better ( software is the big advantage for the pixel5 , where Google is unbeatable)
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battery also bigger at the OP8PRO
it's a big difference about the SoC?
and about the software, the Oxygen is not relayable on the vanila android?
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cultofluna said:
Disanvantages p5 vs OP8PRO
1. SD 765 vs SD 865 ( way more powerful SoC on the 8pro)
2. FHD/90hz vs QHD/120hz
On all other aspects P5 is better ( software is the big advantage for the pixel5 , where Google is unbeatable)
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3. camera sensor is butt old and lens is medicore - its all just software (which has its limits, that in my opinion already were reached 1-2 years ago, but some people always will disagree because they "like what they see and think the past equals the present and the future")
4. no telezoom lens, for thats quite a big negative no matter if it's just 2x or 5x optically there are many many situations that such a lens is usefull for anyone
5. these updates - are enforced, so you're constantly nagged and maybe at a time even forced ("auto updates") to take them even if you know they're unstable despite being marked as stable (and they were for months f.e. on the Pixel 3a - 9>10 and now again 10>11 - just google yourself ). That got worse on Android 10 and likely will on Android 11 and 12 (for the better or worse of it) ...
6. google support is horrible
as for 5+6 - some examples:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/70324090?hl=en
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/69968712?hl=en
https://www.reddit.com/r/android_beta/comments/h0qznb/any_major_issues_so_far_on_android_11_beta/
https://www.gizchina.com/2020/09/26...sh-broken-multitasking-black-screen-flickers/
... and countless others if you search on Reddit. So yes there are downsides (!), especially regarding software (ironically).
Only buy when you can live with that (not saying it's unmanageable, just being honest).
Another example:
Android 11 made matters worse in that they don't allow apps to access storage outside of their domain. So naturally you're forced to Android 11 and get lots of apps that are now incompatible (Stable not Beta). That in itself isn't bad - what's happening is by using the Pixel-Line you're basically a Beta-Testers for Google. All other vendors may adapt slower, but also will have less bugs solved by the time it reaches you. If you can life with that it's fine. I rather don't do that anymore.
Also using their beta builds and release candidates go so far as destroying their phones in an unrecoverable state (and interestingly all searches on Google regarding that lead to nowhere now, but I know it was quite a big thing from 9>10 back then). Thanks to hardware encryption with the Titan M that will like be worse in the future ... I don't trust Google any longer to be honest. Which saddens me, because I'd still like the Pixel line to be better and ... in the end Adroid being more successfull. But for me Google is becoming really evil, that includes Guerillia Marketing, but that's just my personal opinion that I don't want to reflect here ...
jit-010101 said:
3. camera sensor is butt old and lens is medicore - its all just software (which has its limits, that in my opinion already were reached 1-2 years ago, but some people always will disagree because they "like what they see and think the past equals the present and the future")
4. no telezoom lens, for thats quite a big negative no matter if it's just 2x or 5x optically there are many many situations that such a lens is usefull for anyone
5. these updates - are enforced, so you're constantly nagged and maybe at a time even forced ("auto updates") to take them even if you know they're unstable despite being marked as stable (and they were for months f.e. on the Pixel 3a - 9>10 and now again 10>11 - just google yourself ). That got worse on Android 10 and likely will on Android 11 and 12 (for the better or worse of it) ...
6. google support is horrible
as for 5+6 - some examples:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/70324090?hl=en
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/69968712?hl=en
https://www.reddit.com/r/android_beta/comments/h0qznb/any_major_issues_so_far_on_android_11_beta/
https://www.gizchina.com/2020/09/26...sh-broken-multitasking-black-screen-flickers/
... and countless others if you search on Reddit. So yes there are downsides (!), especially regarding software (ironically).
Only buy when you can live with that (not saying it's unmanageable, just being honest).
Another example:
Android 11 made matters worse in that they don't allow apps to access storage outside of their domain. So naturally you're forced to Android 11 and get lots of apps that are now incompatible (Stable not Beta). That in itself isn't bad - what's happening is by using the Pixel-Line you're basically a Beta-Testers for Google. All other vendors may adapt slower, but also will have less bugs solved by the time it reaches you. If you can life with that it's fine. I rather don't do that anymore.
Also using their beta builds and release candidates go so far as destroying their phones in an unrecoverable state (and interestingly all searches on Google regarding that lead to nowhere now, but I know it was quite a big thing from 9>10 back then). Thanks to hardware encryption with the Titan M that will like be worse in the future ... I don't trust Google any longer to be honest. Which saddens me, because I'd still like the Pixel line to be better and ... in the end Adroid being more successfull. But for me Google is becoming really evil, that includes Guerillia Marketing, but that's just my personal opinion that I don't want to reflect here ...
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Oneplus 8pro has only better Soc.. that's it..
Never had pixel actually ( last four years only OnePlus..)
Still believe due to superior software pixels are better
cultofluna said:
Oneplus 8pro has only better Soc.. that's it..
Never had pixel actually ( last four years only OnePlus..)
Still believe due to superior software pixels are better
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so why OPO and no pixels in 4 years?
And i agree that software have it's own limitations like hardware but lets say that beside camera what else we have?
also i swaw that pixels till now had at the proccessor have Pixel Neural Core™ what in pixel 5 not appear as far as i saw, maybe these is big change?
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The oneplus does not have official 11, it's just a beta release
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Now it's official
how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?
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Samsung wins hands down for me ! Regular (monthly) updates, always latest security patches....
s3axel said:
Samsung wins hands down for me ! Regular (monthly) updates, always latest security patches....
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im asking that for my Deliberation - which phone to buy - ultra 21 or mi 11 pro
Ultra 21 as Mi 11 has default hard coded Google dialer which is ugly and not very user friendly, a total deal breaker for me.
But if you have patience to go with 1) boot locker unblocking 2) Change recovery 3) Download and instal EU Rom 4) Restore your apps and data then you can choose Mi 11.
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Ultra 21 as Mi 11 has default hard coded Google dialer which is ugly and not very user friendly, a total deal breaker for me....
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Hmmm, isnt it Samsung Dialer on the S21U ?...well, anyhow, you can change the default dialer (I'm using True Phone for some time now)...
I am not sure about usefulness of samsung dialer or true dialer but missing Miui dialer a lot.
xiaomi is useless at updates, flagships get a bit better treatment but montly patches, no never.
they couldnt deliver security patches even on android one devices. they are/were always late, and they even skiped a few months.
the only way to get a decent rom is with unlock/customs.
so , maybe oneplus 9 pro will do better jobe in all aspects including updates?
Updates are way overrated. They can and do break phones.
The 21U has a big price tag and no SD card slot.
Running Android 11 and that OS is less than stellar. I'm not impressed.
There's also owners experiencing the display dying, just goes black. Their are a couple XDA members that had it happen.
A used Note 10+/Pie* or a Note 20U/Q* are better phones in my opinion. It will be the next major release that holds any hope and that maybe influenced by the chipset availability or lack of.
I'm seriously considering buying another 10+, well built, fast, stable and a lot less issues with hardware and the bloody OS. It's a solid performer with a drop dead gorgeous square corner display. Running at 60hz but no tint or brightness issues; colors and gamma are excellent.
*Snapdragon variant, if you want to root maybe not a good choice, otherwise the best chipset
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how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?
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I have had Xiaomi Mi 11 ultra for more than 3 weeks now. It is my first Xiaomi device ever, so I can't comment on it's update frequency or quality. However, I have had quite a long experience with Samsung flagship smartphones since 2010. Of late Samsung has really improved their software update frequency and quality.
I have S21 ultra 16/512 GB sitting iny drawer for past 3 weeks as I wanted to give Mi 11 ultra a try for its camera.
My observations:
1. Camera - Still and Videos - Mi 11 ultra is better overall. S21 ultra is not bad at all though, with very consistent output in all conditions.
2. Display - S21 ultra has slight edge as it seems a notch brighter under sunlight. Quality wise I would say both are neck to neck.
3. Battery - Mi 11 ultra seems to have better battery backup (with similar settings), especially the standby drain with 4G data on all the time. Also, the charging is much faster on Mi 11 ultra.
4. Design & Build quality - Personal preference. Tie IMO. Xiaomi has really made a premium flagship this time. I mean the Mi 11 ultra doesn't even have any percievable panel gaps like S21 ultra!
5. Audio - Mi 11 ultra has better sounding stereo speakers IMO (better lows). Sound via galaxy buds live is similar on both.
6. Performance - Snapdragon 888 powered Mi 11 ultra is better than Exynos S21 ultra for gaming and media editing apps.
7. UI - Samsung's one UI is better IMO with lesser hard-coded junk (at least you don't need a third party app to disable Google apps on Samsung)! I might have a bias here, as I'm used to Samsung UI for years.
8. Extra features - S21 ultra has S pen support. Mi 11 ultra has IR blaster, Heart rate sensor and a 55W charger included. Also, the option for higher storage (512 GB) is there in S21 ultra, if you want.
Conclusion - I'm honestly blown away with the quality Xiaomi is offering for the price of 70k INR! I honestly bought it to break Samsung monotony in my smartphone upgrades, and I think I will keep it untill Samsung lures me back with something better in future.
P.S - OnePlus 9 pro is not in the same league as the the other two IMO!
well yes, xiaomi does make good hardware. software not so much.
if you check out their own c.mi.com forums, there are countless users complaining, they just dont care. there's 0 trnsparency about which devices are maintained and which they've abandoned, you dont know when you buy one how long they'll "support" it. it's like they have no interest in support. a lot of the guides and fixes end up being found and shared by end users. the few bug they do achnowlwdge are just being trown around between google's fault, qualcomm's fault, and we need more data, we released a fix maybe it will work... it woukd be funny if it wouldnt be about actual problems. they have a habbit of breaking ota updates on stock phones, simply by missmatching release targets. yes, im not kidding. they invented the concept of stable beta releases. where they beta test updates on random users. honestly where with oems you want them to release a patch, with xiaomi you wonder if you should risk installing it in case they found some new and improved way to break your phone.
funny thing is a lot of devices get a lot more fixed on their custom roms. countless devices that they reported nonono we cannot upgrade it to android 10, the hardware is not compatible. guess what the custom roms did it the next day.
at least for now they let users unlock their bootloaders (even if the process is broken af) and lately they provide kernel source codes, even if they always forget to keep them up to date.
it is what it is, ive learnt my lessons the hard way, only getting their phones after i see custom roms and treat them as hardware vendors.
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well yes, xiaomi does make good hardware. software not so much.
if you check out their own c.mi.com forums, there are countless users complaining, they just dont care. there's 0 trnsparency about which devices are maintained and which they've abandoned, you dont know when you buy one how long they'll "support" it. it's like they have no interest in support. a lot of the guides and fixes end up being found and shared by end users. the few bug they do achnowlwdge are just being trown around between google's fault, qualcomm's fault, and we need more data, we released a fix maybe it will work... it woukd be funny if it wouldnt be about actual problems. they have a habbit of breaking ota updates on stock phones, simply by missmatching release targets. yes, im not kidding. they invented the concept of stable beta releases. where they beta test updates on random users. honestly where with oems you want them to release a patch, with xiaomi you wonder if you should risk installing it in case they found some new and improved way to break your phone.
funny thing is a lot of devices get a lot more fixed on their custom roms. countless devices that they reported nonono we cannot upgrade it to android 10, the hardware is not compatible. guess what the custom roms did it the next day.
at least for now they let users unlock their bootloaders (even if the process is broken af) and lately they provide kernel source codes, even if they always forget to keep them up to date.
it is what it is, ive learnt my lessons the hard way, only getting their phones after i see custom roms and treat them as hardware vendors.
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I have zero confidence in Chinese products especially in sophisticated electronics. The CCP is omnipresent in Chinese manufacturing and culture. Expect hardware, firmware and software backdoors and/or spyware.
Actions have consequences...
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I have zero confidence in Chinese products especially in sophisticated electronics. The CCP is omnipresent in Chinese manufacturing and culture. Expect hardware, firmware and software backdoors and/or spyware.
Actions have consequences...
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well... tough... almost everything's made over there.
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well... tough... almost everything's made over there.
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No, not true... and it's a lick on you. Samsung ie SK is a US ally.
One of the reasons I'll never buy a iPhone... they CCP sweatshops.
mmns said:
im asking that for my Deliberation - which phone to buy - ultra 21 or mi 11 pro
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I personally prefer the Mi 11 Ultra to s21 Ultra, but the S21 is better than the 11 Pro, although the 11 Pro is no slouch and considerably cheaper.
blackhawk said:
No, not true... and it's a lick on you. Samsung ie SK is a US ally.
One of the reasons I'll never buy a iPhone... they CCP sweatshops.
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Not entirely accurate my friend. https://techthelead.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
Here's from SamMobile https://www.sammobile.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made
jim262 said:
Not entirely accurate my friend. https://techthelead.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
Here's from SamMobile https://www.sammobile.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made
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Yeah I was thinking about that.
Hard to get around that for now. That may soon change. Being too dependent on global suppliers is a huge weakness.
The irony is this isn't a raw material but a manufacturing process that can be done anywhere.
mmns said:
so , maybe oneplus 9 pro will do better jobe in all aspects including updates?
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Don't count on that. You'll get one year of monthly security patches, one or two somewhat big updates and the next Android 12. Android 13 is questionable. I had the similar experience with my Oneplus 7T Pro - got only mothly security updates. It was supposed to get Adroid 12, but last i heard that it may never happen. And it got updated to Android 11 try to guess when - the day before the launch of Oneplus 9 end of march 2021 - three months after everyone else updated their flagships and half of midrangers to Android 11. Forget the promise about 3 years of software updates - 18 months is the top nowadays with Oneplus. And seeing how they are focused on their Nord devices that might be their last flagship. There's more money in midrangers.
Hi,everyone been on iPhone on and off since the 3GS, I'm looking to upgrade my 11 Pro Max and thinking of getting the "New" OnePlus 10 Pro. I had the OnePlus 1 and the OnePlus 7T so I'm not new to OnePlus or OxagenIOs but the reviews have been mixed. I figured I would ask the community if it was worth the switch and if not the OnePlus 10 Pro https://nox.tips/ https://xender.vip/ any recommendations for a new phone, right now I'm also looking at the Pixel 6 Pro or thinking of waiting till the Pixel 7.
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Hi,everyone been on iPhone on and off since the 3GS, I'm looking to upgrade my 11 Pro Max and thinking of getting the "New" OnePlus 10 Pro. I had the OnePlus 1 and the OnePlus 7T so I'm not new to OnePlus or OxagenIOs but the reviews have been mixed. I figured I would ask the community if it was worth the switch and if not the OnePlus 10 Pro any recommendations for a new phone, right now I'm also looking at the Pixel 6 Pro or thinking of waiting till the Pixel 7.
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I would wait and see on the Pixel 7, I am sure it will be better than OP10 Pro.
Don't by this sh*t !!
Stupid, Disgusting, Buggy ColorOS (new OxygenOS) !!
No MSM Tool, No official ROM, No TWRP, No custom ROMs !!
First mistake and bootloop = Last one = No way to fix it !!
Also you must call it "OPPO 10 Pro"
"OnePlus" doesn't exists anymore !!
Just wait for pixel 7 ...
R.I.P. OnePlus and OxygenOS
What he said
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Don't by this sh*t !!
Stupid, Disgusting, Buggy ColorOS (new OxygenOS) !!
No MSM Tool, No official ROM, No TWRP, No custom ROMs !!
First mistake and bootloop = Last one = No way to fix it !!
Also you must call it "OPPO 10 Pro"
"OnePlus" doesn't exists anymore !!
Just wait for pixel 7 ...
R.I.P. OnePlus and OxygenOS
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To provide an alternative perspective for the OP, I disagree with Saeed that the phone is garbage. ColorOS is not buggy for me, and I personally like the features. So personal preference here, you might like it or maybe not.
I can agree that it is a bummer there is no MSM tool, but IMO the only time I have needed that tool was when I was into custom ROMs and get a bad build, or I did something stupid by not reading instructions. Never had an issue with just OOS rooting and flashing.
Also, I have just have no time for tinkering/experimenting with my phone anymore and I am happy with just OOS. So I have no interest in custom ROMs, I don't have time to constantly be fixing my phone from buggy or custom stuff. I need it to be stable, have root and I am happy.
Same with TWRP, I haven't used that in probably 4 years now. All I do is unlock bootloader, boot a patched Magisk boot, patch the phone boot, and I am done. I have zero need for TWRP.
To the point about full flashable ROMs, one would only need them if they're constantly ROM hopping, which of course does not affect me.
So if you're like me and don't need custom ROMs or recovery, the phone will be great. I am very happy with it. If you're like Saeed, then you'll be posting multiple exclamation points after every sentence. All about perspective/preferences.
Sidenote, I personally was very disappointed when I tried the Pixel 6. Software had none of the features that OOS has, like screen off gestures (music control, flashlight ect), hide icons on status bar, ect. Just a bunch of small things that I didn't know I'd miss. Also, the charging speed was crazy slow compared to OnePlus, and finally the modem had the worse cell reception I have ever experienced in a smartphone. YMMV
I ditched mine, but it's a nice device with stock setup....
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I would wait and see on the Pixel 7, I am sure it will be better than OP10 Pro.
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Tensor 2 is rumored to still use weak A55 cores. If you want a flagship, the 7 is going to be quite far from being one. That's without even taking the garbage Samsung modem into account.
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Tensor 2 is rumored to still use weak A55 cores. If you want a flagship, the 7 is going to be quite far from being one. That's without even taking the garbage Samsung modem into account.
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Yes, the Pixel 6 modem was really bad. I returned it. If Pixel 7 has the same/similar, then Google done messed up
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Tensor 2 is rumored to still use weak A55 cores. If you want a flagship, the 7 is going to be quite far from being one. That's without even taking the garbage Samsung modem into account.
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I have no idea why Google persist to develop tensor cpu !!
Google: Just use the latest and greatest of Qualcomm snapdragon ...
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I have no idea why Google persist to develop tensor cpu !!
Google: Just use the latest and greatest of Qualcomm snapdragon ...
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Only reason I got the OnePlus 9 and not the Pixel 6 was Tensor and the Samsung modem...
I wouldn't even take a free one. Boycott them
Pixel 7 will be the right choice, or maybe even Samsung. Oneplus has offically been added to my NEVER buy list. Tensor may be meh, but at least google releases factory images right away. I repeat NEVER BUY THIS GARBAGE PHONE
n0lan said:
Pixel 7 will be the right choice, or maybe even Samsung. Oneplus has offically been added to my NEVER buy list. Tensor may be meh, but at least google releases factory images right away. I repeat NEVER BUY THIS GARBAGE PHONE
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+1 Yeah!
With pixel we have full factory images FOR EVERY UPDATE
Bare in mind that the information gathered about the the pixel 7 is pre release and wont be a fair rep of the chip.
It's meant to be the same but improved chip so battery life will be improved.
Also GPU improvements which should make gaming a little better, top games and emulators could already run on the 6 and 6 pro respectively, so the 7 could hit a sweet spot with current software available, the one thing that was bad with the 6 was the battery and increasing heat when gaming.
Overall I think it's too early to tell, with Chinese devices being ever more spyware ridden and locked down I personally wouldn't be 100% happy getting any of them, certainly not any of the big ones like OnePlus / oppo / Xiaomi.
The pixel 7 I think will be the device that people will be flock to, developers and users alike.
I don't think it'll be perfect, nor was I overehelmed by the news of the SOC, but if I had to choose between that and the turds floating out of the south china sea then I'd go with the 7..
That's my thinking at this point.
Certainly send like the battleground of mobile devices is starting to look more political, I doubt that'll go away any time soon.
It's all a matter of personal preference.
I sent mine back today. Tried to like it, but it was frustrating the life out of me. Stuck my sim back in my S21 ultra and the difference between the two is like night and day.
I think my time with OnePlus is done after all the years being with them.
If Samsung had an alert slider then that would be just perfect for me.
hallo dare said:
It's all a matter of personal preference.
I sent mine back today. Tried to like it, but it was frustrating the life out of me. Stuck my sim back in my S21 ultra and the difference between the two is like night and day.
I think my time with OnePlus is done after all the years being with them.
If Samsung had an alert slider then that would be just perfect for me.
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If Samsung made a vanilla device with pure android they'd completely clean up..
Plus they need to drop that exynos crap and chill on the bootloader locking stuff.
Give people a choice.
Also I don't think you're alone in not getting another OnePlus.
They're dead
I really like the OnePlus 10 Pro 12/512GB, even the Oppofied software. My only issue with them is the nonsense with not being able to have custom rom.
I have the 12/256 variant and love it.
It's far more enjoyable than my pixel 6 pro was as well as my rog phone 5.
The last time I enjoyed a phone this much was the galaxy s10+ or my oneplus 7 pro
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I have the 12/256 variant and love it.
It's far more enjoyable than my pixel 6 pro was as well as my rog phone 5.
The last time I enjoyed a phone this much was the galaxy s10+ or my oneplus 7 pro
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The ROG has been on my shortlist as I do game on my devices, I'm considering one of them in the future.. a sort of get it as it is type of device rather than what it can be.
How does the ROG 5 compare to the 10 pro in regards to heavy apps/games
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The ROG has been on my shortlist as I do game on my devices, I'm considering one of them in the future.. a sort of get it as it is type of device rather than what it can be.
How does the ROG 5 compare to the 10 pro in regards to heavy apps/games
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Oddly enough the oneplus can run pubg mobile on HDR and extreme fps and the rog can't. Overall I'd say it's the same for gaming. I'm running pubg mobile and genshin on the same settings on my 10 pro as I was on my rog.
The camera on the rog is absolutely **** as is the durability. It's not even water resistantet let alone waterproof. The game genie software is top notch though as are the air triggers and I'd say that it has bar none the best speakers in a phone.