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Well this took some figuring out, as many said it had to be rooted first
well NO it does not
Now this only work on the SM-900F with the bootloader unlocked basicallysold in the EU to any Network and branded
eg Vodafone.Orange,O2,Three(as long as there is no three Logo if so the bootloader is locked)
so here is what you need
the Latest version of Odin
The latest Version of kies as it is needed (Yes i said that )
Now Your countrys unbranded rom this can be tricky to find but for example the UK its BTU
they also can be found on here in the stock Firmware section ( i'm sure some one will post a link as they have got berried somewere)
But they can be found on sammobile.com
now download the rom
Now if you have never used odin before please read up on this first i'm not going to do a Noobs guide
Now do a Factory wipe and wipe the cache in recovery mode first
Open odin and pit the phone into recovery mode with out it rebooting
Flash the stock rom
Now long gone are the days of multiple csc so here is how to fix
Now before some one jumps in and says Oh XDA do a app to sort this (Only works on rooted phones)
Now after the rom has flashed let the phone Boot
Now Google apps may fall over here but the factory wipe sorts them out
Now nearly there, as we all no if you plug your phone into kies it does not like it
Well this time as long as you have got the right rom it will show a long line of rom info
Now for the fun bit open kies and connect your phone
then klick tools and pic firmware upgrade and initialisation Kies will come up with a warning screen
Just click next and watch the magic happen
Kies will see that you have a stock BTU rom on But the CSC is something else so
It re downloads the rom and clears the previous CSC out
I did use the xda phone info to check the CSC and on mine it should before Kies VOD/BTU
After Kies it showed BTU
Now kies says i Have a BTU phone and the firmware is upto date
I have done six differant phones now on verious networks and they work
the Three ones are hard but rolling the rom back to the first one cleared the Bootloader then i flashed the stock rom
There was no rooting or Knox tripping or custom roms used
Pure Samsung roms
This was only done to remove bloatware
A lot of the G900F branded ROMs (such as EE) are now BNL9, and there doesn't appear to be an unbranded BTU for BNL9 that I can find on SamMobile -- is it therefore not possible to change CSC without tripping Knox now?
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A lot of the G900F branded ROMs (such as EE) are now BNL9, and there doesn't appear to be an unbranded BTU for BNL9 that I can find on SamMobile -- is it therefore not possible to change CSC without tripping Knox now?
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Knox will only trip if you use a Custom rom
if your on EE and on 4.4.2 install the first 5.0 rom from sammobile and follow the Kies above
if you have installed 5.0 from EE you can roll this back Using kies see bellow
Enter your phones model and serial number with out it plugged in it will then offer you what roms were installed pick the last 4.4.2 then follow the onscreen instructions
after its rolled back follow the above
I only no this works via 4.4.2 and going up to 5.0 that triggers kies to change the csc over
after you have done this putting the first 5.0 in Kies will even update the phone or you can via the wifi update
I have done six phones now and all is well and Samsung told me how to do this so no warranty other then the ee is void
make sure you use Sammobile only roms
"This was only done to remove bloatware"
nothing youve described removes bloatware, jus changes the bloatware on it, BTU still has chaton ant+ and loads of other crap, to debloat you do need root, but not to debrand, but then again we all knew that cause we read the firmware thread where this has been mentioned three times minimum
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"This was only done to remove bloatware"
nothing youve described removes bloatware, jus changes the bloatware on it, BTU still has chaton ant+ and loads of other crap, to debloat you do need root, but not to debrand, but then again we all knew that cause we read the firmware thread where this has been mentioned three times minimum
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Were not on about the Bloat manufactures put on, this is Debranding removing the pointless junk networks add that the user can not remove or dissable
most of what you have said can be disabled in Application manager
if the user chooses when there on BTU to root its alot safer on a BTU stock rom then a Network rom
eg on Vodafone if you remove the RCS program you will not be able to send a txt using the default messages apk as Vodafone has removed this
Rooting is not compulsary in debranding and if your simply doing this to sell on the phone then there is no need to, and should only be done if this is what you want to do
But my method is just the first step in getting a Clean phone ready to Root this prevents any issues in the rooting Proses
i have fixed many phone on Network roms that people have mad a mess off
Plus when it come to re selling a phone a unbranded fetches more money and if Knox has not been triggared then the warrenty still stands
Lte network selection
ok I have a question guys
I have a g900f but in the network selection there is no Lte or 4G selection, my phone was using Malaysian firmware ( I didn't check if it does have Lte network selection) and then I flashed XSG (united Arab Emirates) firmware, so If I flashed unbranded firmware like Poland or UK .......... can I get the Lte network selection or no ???!!!!
how I can get 4G with out root or custom rom
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Were not on about the Bloat manufactures put on, this is Debranding removing the pointless junk networks add that the user can not remove or dissable
most of what you have said can be disabled in Application manager
if the user chooses when there on BTU to root its alot safer on a BTU stock rom then a Network rom
eg on Vodafone if you remove the RCS program you will not be able to send a txt using the default messages apk as Vodafone has removed this
Rooting is not compulsary in debranding and if your simply doing this to sell on the phone then there is no need to, and should only be done if this is what you want to do
But my method is just the first step in getting a Clean phone ready to Root this prevents any issues in the rooting Proses
i have fixed many phone on Network roms that people have mad a mess off
Plus when it come to re selling a phone a unbranded fetches more money and if Knox has not been triggared then the warrenty still stands
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TBH i never new rooting caused any issues, not for people of intelligance anyway. but anyway, in the EU knox doesnt void warranty
Not every one that come on here is flaunt with rooting, or knows how to
or even wants to
this is why they have there own section and stops the Noob bashing
after all we all started some were
My Method simply does what it says with our rooting :good:
It stops some apps that I use from running (banking, in particular). Other than that I'd definitely root for the better Tasker functionality it offers (my older phones used for various other things around the house are all rooted but I want banking on my primary device)
Rooting for some has its Good points
But its better on a vanilla rom which has all the nasty Network traps removed, so then its then only manufacture apps
Plus if there is any issues with a Root then the developer can take a look
also you get the firmware updates still, but you will need to do a Factory wipe to remove the root
For some just braking away from the chains of the Network is enough
in the UK Networks have no idea
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It stops some apps that I use from running (banking, in particular). Other than that I'd definitely root for the better Tasker functionality it offers (my older phones used for various other things around the house are all rooted but I want banking on my primary device)
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Got banking app working on rooted phone with rootCloak exposed module[emoji6]
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Got banking app working on rooted phone with rootCloak exposed module[emoji6]
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RootCloak doesn't work for my bank. RootCloak Plus did for 1 version, but an update to the banking app broke it again and it was never fixed.
The only way I got my banking app running on my S3 and S5 was using this method by HiddenRambler...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49296437&postcount=8
May be of some help to someone who hasn't come across it or tried it yet.
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Hi all I am currently thinking of importing the N950N 256gb Note 8 to here in the UK and have a few questions about the firmware. Sorry if its been answered elsewhere but there are a lot of threads asking slightly different things.
1) What differences are there between the N950N and the N950F versions of the software at the base level – ignoring things like Korean bloatware etc – I read somewhere the camera has a compulsory noise that can’t be turned off? (which is really annoying) Just wondering whether to stick with stock N. I presume all the stuff like 4G/LTE works with an O2 sim as the hardware is covering this.
2) From all the threads I have read you can’t put the N950F firmware on without using TWRP? (TWRP via ODIN then Firmware via TWRP)
3) What does TWRP do to the phone? Does it trip Knox? I presume this affects Samsung Pay which I am not bothered about but does this affect anything else? Android Pay for example? What about banking apps (ie Halifax, HSBC, Co-op, Natwest etc all have their own apps)?
4) Once I have the N905F firmware would I get OTA updates as normal?
Just curious, why do you want to use F firmware on the N?
Yes, you can not flash stock F firmware on a N, Odin won't allow you to do it but you can use TWRP. You would have to convert the F firmware to a Zip to flash it or flash one of the custom F roms.
Installing custom recovery like TWRP will trip Knox, you will never be able to use Samsung Pay. Secure Folder won't work either. It will also break Samsung Health but that can be fixed. Android Pay & banking apps should work fine with root hide. OTA updates will no longer work.
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Just curious, why do you want to use F firmware on the N?
Yes, you can not flash stock F firmware on a N, Odin won't allow you to do it but you can use TWRP. You would have to convert the F firmware to a Zip to flash it or flash one of the custom F roms.
Installing custom recovery like TWRP will trip Knox, you will never be able to use Samsung Pay. Secure Folder won't work either. It will also break Samsung Health but that can be fixed. Android Pay & banking apps should work fine with root hide. OTA updates will no longer work.
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Thanks for reply
Basically I prefer having a silent shutter for taking quick and discrete street photography and the last thing I want is big sound every time I take a shot. From what I read that basically means the N firmware is a no no due to Korea having some ruling about it. In the UK this is as easy as having the phone in silent mode - I am currently using a Galaxy S6 with 128gb of memory and really like the idea of having a idea of large onboard storage with little hassle over memory cards hence looking at the Note 8 from Korea which not only has the bigger memory also is cheaper than the 64gb version here in the UK.
To be fair I don't use Samsung Pay as the UK support is currently not here with limited banks supporting it (or vendors accepting it) nor do I need Secure Folder so thats fine really. Samsung Health I used a bit on the S6 but not essential. If hiding root works for Android Pay and Banking Apps then it might not all that bad to be honest to have to trip the Knox (Obviously the warranty will go with it)
The OTA updates would have been nice to have as it would save me having to mess with manually updating over each time a new firmware update came out.- If I was to install F over the N could I then use ODIN afterward or would I be stuck using TWRP due to it detecting the Hardware?
Also I presume you can't add the F software onto the N9500 variant via Odin?
vizardo said:
Thanks for reply
Basically I prefer having a silent shutter for taking quick and discrete street photography and the last thing I want is big sound every time I take a shot. From what I read that basically means the N firmware is a no no due to Korea having some ruling about it. In the UK this is as easy as having the phone in silent mode - I am currently using a Galaxy S6 with 128gb of memory and really like the idea of having a idea of large onboard storage with little hassle over memory cards hence looking at the Note 8 from Korea which not only has the bigger memory also is cheaper than the 64gb version here in the UK.
To be fair I don't use Samsung Pay as the UK support is currently not here with limited banks supporting it (or vendors accepting it) nor do I need Secure Folder so thats fine really. Samsung Health I used a bit on the S6 but not essential. If hiding root works for Android Pay and Banking Apps then it might not all that bad to be honest to have to trip the Knox (Obviously the warranty will go with it)
The OTA updates would have been nice to have as it would save me having to mess with manually updating over each time a new firmware update came out.- If I was to install F over the N could I then use ODIN afterward or would I be stuck using TWRP due to it detecting the Hardware?
Also I presume you can't add the F software onto the N9500 variant via Odin?
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Ah, I see, in that case you really don't need to switch to the F firmware. I have a F from the UK & stock it did not have the toggle to turn off the camera shutter like my US Tmobile Note 5 did stock. Not sure if muting sound entirely muted the camera shutter as well but I do not like that method & have heard that does not work on some variants like you mentioned.
I purchased the F/Exynos mainly for the ability to install custom recovery & root. With root I simply deleted the shutter.ogg sound file (well I actually renamed it to shutter.bak), that took care of the shutter sound. Later on when I installed a mod to give me tmobile carrier features, that then added the camera shutter toggle.
I don't care for Samsung Pay either, not even Android Pay. I do miss Private Mode on my Note 5 which was replaced by Secure Folder but I can live without. Getting Samsung Health to work just requires a simple change in the build.prop. I forgot that root will also break Secret Mode in the Samsung browser but you can still use that in Chrome. Not a big deal, just mentioning it while I'm at it. I'm not sure if root hide will allow Secret Tab to function but I don't think it will get Secure Folder working. I haven't tried root hide yet.
Once you install TWRP OTA updates won't work. So installing a F firmware with TWRP won't change anything. And Odin won't let you flash firmware that is not for the phone. It does not matter if a different firmware is already on the phone. For some reason if you ever wanted, you can however flash your original firmware to get back to stock & OTA will work again but once you have tripped Knox by installing TWRP that is permanent.
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Ah, I see, in that case you really don't need to switch to the F firmware. I have a F from the UK & stock it did not have the toggle to turn off the camera shutter like my US Tmobile Note 5 did stock. Not sure if muting sound entirely muted the camera shutter as well but I do not like that method & have heard that does not work on some variants like you mentioned.
I purchased the F/Exynos mainly for the ability to install custom recovery & root. With root I simply deleted the shutter.ogg sound file (well I actually renamed it to shutter.bak), that took care of the shutter sound. Later on when I installed a mod to give me tmobile carrier features, that then added the camera shutter toggle.
I don't care for Samsung Pay either, not even Android Pay. I do miss Private Mode on my Note 5 which was replaced by Secure Folder but I can live without. Getting Samsung Health to work just requires a simple change in the build.prop. I forgot that root will also break Secret Mode in the Samsung browser but you can still use that in Chrome. Not a big deal, just mentioning it while I'm at it. I'm not sure if root hide will allow Secret Tab to function but I don't think it will get Secure Folder working. I haven't tried root hide yet.
Once you install TWRP OTA updates won't work. So installing a F firmware with TWRP won't change anything. And Odin won't let you flash firmware that is not for the phone. It does not matter if a different firmware is already on the phone. For some reason if you ever wanted, you can however flash your original firmware to get back to stock & OTA will work again but once you have tripped Knox by installing TWRP that is permanent.
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Many thanks, I generally use Chrome or Firefox so I am not too fussed with the default browser
There are 2 variants on the Wonda Mobile website that seem like a good deal both 256gb with one the HK/China version Dual SIm (with the non rootable Snapdragon I believe) and the Single sim Korean Exynos version that I have been querying about. Its a shame either road root or just installing TWRP seems to break something!
One more thing - do all the usual Samsung account settings still work??
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Many thanks, I generally use Chrome or Firefox so I am not too fussed with the default browser
There are 2 variants on the Wonda Mobile website that seem like a good deal both 256gb with one the HK/China version Dual SIm (with the non rootable Snapdragon I believe) and the Single sim Korean Exynos version that I have been querying about. Its a shame either road root or just installing TWRP seems to break something!
One more thing - do all the usual Samsung account settings still work??
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Unless you need the dual sim N would be the better choice IMO. With HK/China Snapdragon variants, they usually can be bootloader unlocked unlike the Snapdragons in the rest of the world. But development on them is usually slower. There was recently a post about getting root & TWRP installed on the 9500. Said to be working but others are questioning the process to do it. I haven't paid much attention to it though. Generally anything available for the F will usually work fine on the N so in the future if you want to install custom roms or mods you would be ok.
Yeah blame Samsung for making it harder for us to get what we want. But at least we still can, that may not be the case in the future. For instance, this is the first time I have had to purchase an international phone because Samsung US variants are locked down. All of my past Android phones have had custom recovery & root.
As far as Samsung accounts, yes it works fine. Able to log in, use Samsung's app store, Samsung themes. Not sure about Samsung Cloud, I don't use any cloud services. But I have tried Samsung Link Sharing (large file sharing) & it seems to be a type of cloud service. However my Smart View (screen mirroring) is not working, I'm not sure if that is a result of root though. I never tested it when I was stock. I have read complaints about others having the same issue stock. My Note 5 is rooted & it works just fine. I never use screen mirroring so I don't really care but it would be nice to figure out how to get it working.
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Hi all I am currently thinking of importing the N950N 256gb Note 8 to here in the UK and have a few questions about the firmware. Sorry if its been answered elsewhere but there are a lot of threads asking slightly different things.
1) What differences are there between the N950N and the N950F versions of the software at the base level – ignoring things like Korean bloatware etc – I read somewhere the camera has a compulsory noise that can’t be turned off? (which is really annoying) Just wondering whether to stick with stock N. I presume all the stuff like 4G/LTE works with an O2 sim as the hardware is covering this.
2) From all the threads I have read you can’t put the N950F firmware on without using TWRP? (TWRP via ODIN then Firmware via TWRP)
3) What does TWRP do to the phone? Does it trip Knox? I presume this affects Samsung Pay which I am not bothered about but does this affect anything else? Android Pay for example? What about banking apps (ie Halifax, HSBC, Co-op, Natwest etc all have their own apps)?
4) Once I have the N905F firmware would I get OTA updates as normal?
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1 - not much difference, but the F software comes with dual-SIM capability which the N software lacks. As the hardware is actually identical (as I confirmed by mistakenly tearing my N950N apart when I thought that I had an antenna issue), you could actually buy the N, buy a dual-SIM tray on eBay and in theory convert the phone into a true dual-SIM model with a 950F-based ROM although I do not know how to 'add' or double up the IMEI for the second SIM as my understanding (again I may be wrong here) is that phones sold as dual-SIM models have two IMEI numbers, one for each SIM slot. Your camera shutter sound rumor is correct - the Korean CSC's don't enable the menu to turn that sound off, though it can be deleted without changing CSCs. I would check with your specific carrier's model in your country and see if they enable it. If so, you could always flash their CSC to the Korean phone which would give you the menu. This would be especially fine if you live in the UK since the 950F is hardware identical to the 950N so there wouldn't be the weird issue I've been running into with my 950U USA T-Mobile CSC patch that I have a hunch is related to the way the CSC is sending instructions to the modem.
2 - Odin will not flash firmware between variants. TWRP is definitely the only way to do this right now, though there's no real drawback if you're using an imported phone and didn't expect to have warranty support in-country to begin with.
3 - TWRP is a replacement recovery firmware which is used to quickly and easily backup/restore any partitions on the phone (boot loader, modem, data, system, cache, EFS, etc), as well as flashing custom ROMs, kernels, mods, root apps, pretty much anything you can think of.
4 - OTA updates only work on essentially unmodified stock everything. If the phone says that it's software status is "custom", OTA updates will not function. However, there are 2 main considerations here. On the one hand, if you are running another variant's firmware you are going to be flashing ROMs for that variant anyway, and you can always manually update your boot loader and modem with Odin since Samsung firmware downloads come in separate files right from Sammy these days. Super easy to flash only the BL and CP (bootloader and modem respectively), then just reflash TWRP if it was overwritten.
Many thanks both - definitely things to consider here. Not done any flashing or rooting since I put Cyanogenmod on an old Note 10 tablet and before then a Note 3 and the old Desire series for Cyanogenmod again (I recall Clockworkmod was involved as well). But its good to know I can update parts with Odin or TWRP as required.
I am hoping tripping Knox won't affect Android pay or banking apps much (as I don't actually keep them in the Knox folder or anything like that - just use them normally) but as stated I could use the root hide to cover this.
I suppose OTA is a luxury as the Samsung ones on my S6 were slow enough but at least convenient due to its autonomy. I am usually of the mind if it don't break then don't fix it but don't mind delving into things if necessary so I reckon I won't touch the update stuff too much unless I have issues - though will get everything as up to date as possible from day 1 and when Oreo drops.
Really appreciate all the responses here - really helpful!
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Thanks for reply
Basically I prefer having a silent shutter for taking quick and discrete street photography and the last thing I want is big sound every time I take a shot. From what I read that basically means the N firmware is a no no due to Korea having some ruling about it. In the UK this is as easy as having the phone in silent mode - I am currently using a Galaxy S6 with 128gb of memory and really like the idea of having a idea of large onboard storage with little hassle over memory cards hence looking at the Note 8 from Korea which not only has the bigger memory also is cheaper than the 64gb version here in the UK.
To be fair I don't use Samsung Pay as the UK support is currently not here with limited banks supporting it (or vendors accepting it) nor do I need Secure Folder so thats fine really. Samsung Health I used a bit on the S6 but not essential. If hiding root works for Android Pay and Banking Apps then it might not all that bad to be honest to have to trip the Knox (Obviously the warranty will go with it)
The OTA updates would have been nice to have as it would save me having to mess with manually updating over each time a new firmware update came out.- If I was to install F over the N could I then use ODIN afterward or would I be stuck using TWRP due to it detecting the Hardware?
Also I presume you can't add the F software onto the N9500 variant via Odin?
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Just turn off the shutter sound in settings. You don't need to do anything else!
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Just turn off the shutter sound in settings. You don't need to do anything else!
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Can't do that if you don't have the option to. Not all Note 8s have the ability to do that (as well as other features) & it's not just the Note 8, many Galaxy phones in the past as well. It depends on the carrier variant & the region the phone originates. I some countries itxs illegal to turn off the shutter sound. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be so many threads about it. If you search for shutter sound either here on XDA or Google, you'll find many threads for different phones.
I have the phone now and downloaded the F firmware for the UK - however TWRP doesnt seem to want to flash the zip and keeps coming up with zip invalid format?
I grabbed the firmware using Samfirm so it should be fine? Am I missing a step??
vizardo said:
I have the phone now and downloaded the F firmware for the UK - however TWRP doesnt seem to want to flash the zip and keeps coming up with zip invalid format?
I grabbed the firmware using Samfirm so it should be fine? Am I missing a step??
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If that zip contains several .tar.md5 files that is the stock firmware for use in Odin. TWRP can't flash that.
You need to download a custom zip. Any of the ROMs in this section will work as they are made from F firmware as the base.
I figured out this best way to sort the shutter sound was to simply root with Magisk and use Root Explorer to rename the shutter sound as per Shouren04's solution. Not the most elegant method but works fine - not sure what file the fast multi image shutter speed is though as that still sounds.
Magisk seems to not break Android Pay so can confirm this works and I paid for something today.
OTA no longer works but will simply flash the normal N rom once the next update comes out with ODIN and then reinstall TWRP, Magisk and resort - Samsung updates are slow enough to not warrant being a pain
Oddly enough there are fewer camera modes on the new Note vs my older S6 - I quite liked the video collage it made without resorting to another app!
Thanks for all the help
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I figured out this best way to sort the shutter sound was to simply root with Magisk and use Root Explorer to rename the shutter sound as per Shouren04's solution. Not the most elegant method but works fine - not sure what file the fast multi image shutter speed is though as that still sounds.
Magisk seems to not break Android Pay so can confirm this works and I paid for something today.
OTA no longer works but will simply flash the normal N rom once the next update comes out with ODIN and then reinstall TWRP, Magisk and resort - Samsung updates are slow enough to not warrant being a pain
Oddly enough there are fewer camera modes on the new Note vs my older S6 - I quite liked the video collage it made without resorting to another app!
Thanks for all the help
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Burst shots sound should be shutter_multiple.ogg & video sounds should either be cam_start.ogg & cam_stop.ogg or camcorder_start & camcorder_stop.ogg.
Best way & is the method I'm using is to add this csc string to get the shutter sound toggle which turns off all those sounds for me.
<CscFeature_Camera_ShutterSoundMenu>true</CscFeature_Camera_ShutterSoundMenu>
But if you are using a fully stock rom, your cscfeatures.xml file might be encrypted as was mine. I'm using tmobile csc so I am no longer using the stock encrypted cscfeatures.xml.
Of if you flash a custom rom you should be able to add the csc string without any problem.
Hi! Former Note 4 owner here, about to switch from One Plus 3T to Note 8. It has been a sweet ride with the OP3T but I am getting Note withdrawal already ! I just realized I buy (and lose) cheap styluses (styli?) every other week as I spend a lot of time editing pictures on the fly for our home business FB and IG ads.
Have a simple question:
In my country we have 2 variants available, N950F and the Korean N950N. almost same price, gladly both Exynos which is what I want. However, I would like to know if there is any advantage for any of them regarding system updates timing from Samsung, security updates and the like. Also, any chances of Oreo being rolled out for one of them earlier than the other?
I dont feel a need to root at the moment although just in case I would like to know if there are any major differences or ease of doing that for any of them . I did some research before posting the question and looks like N950F has more dev support but correct me if I am wrong.
I just need to decide on this "XDA world problem" to pull the triger. No one I know understand my conundrum and they look at me like I am from Mars.
Garoto1973 said:
Hi! Former Note 4 owner here, about to switch from One Plus 3T to Note 8. It has been a sweet ride with the OP3T but I am getting Note withdrawal already ! I just realized I buy (and lose) cheap styluses (styli?) every other week as I spend a lot of time editing pictures on the fly for our home business FB and IG ads.
Have a simple question:
In my country we have 2 variants available, N950F and the Korean N950N. almost same price, gladly both Exynos which is what I want. However, I would like to know if there is any advantage for any of them regarding system updates timing from Samsung, security updates and the like. Also, any chances of Oreo being rolled out for one of them earlier than the other?
I dont feel a need to root at the moment although just in case I would like to know if there are any major differences or ease of doing that for any of them . I did some research before posting the question and looks like N950F has more dev support but correct me if I am wrong.
I just need to decide on this "XDA world problem" to pull the triger. No one I know understand my conundrum and they look at me like I am from Mars.
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Updates will be released in tandem. One after other. So not much delay
950N , yes I said it.
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950N , yes I said it.
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Lol...you might as well give OP a reason why you suggest one over the other
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Lol...you might as well give OP a reason why you suggest one over the other
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It believe you have better color options and memory?plus made in Korea. LOL
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n950n = no possible OEM jail time issue. F's are a hit or miss. Uk seem ok but the rest of asian and Oceania seem to have the dreaded 7 day jail time.
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n950n = no possible OEM jail time issue. F's are a hit or miss. Uk seem ok but the rest of asian and Oceania seem to have the dreaded 7 day jail time.
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Really? Why is there no possibility of "jail time" on the SM-N950N? Kindly elaborate.
MrElectrifyer said:
Really? Why is there no possibility of "jail time" on the SM-N950N? Kindly elaborate.
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because the OEM unlock is there by default. My first attempt at a note 8 was a dual sim 950F and OEM unlock was not there. Not being able to root/flash twrp for 7 days and possibility of jail time every time a new rom or csc is flashed is not my cup of tea.
bober10113 said:
because the OEM unlock is there by default. My first attempt at a note 8 was a dual sim 950F and OEM unlock was not there. Not being able to root/flash twrp for 7 days and possibility of jail time every time a new rom or csc is flashed is not my cup of tea.
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Well then, that makes me better appreciate my 256GB SM-N950N.
I was on the lookout for the 256GB SM-N950FD 'cause I wanted a globally unlocked, Multi-CSC supported, and unbranded bloatware-free Exynos device with support for OTAs. The Dual SIM support is a welcome added bonus. However, never came across a 256GB version of the SM-N950FD, only 64GB version, which I'm not willing to settle for, especially as I plan on keeping this device (my first ever Samsung Smartphone) for the next 5+ years (unless something a whole lot more useful becomes available) and I'm using it more and more as a full-fledged Pocket PC.
After you've rooted, do you always clean install via Odin in order to install the monthly security updates? Or how do you update the device? Please and thank you.
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Well then, that makes me better appreciate my 256GB SM-N950N.
I was on the lookout for the 256GB SM-N950FD 'cause I wanted a globally unlocked, Multi-CSC supported, and unbranded bloatware-free Exynos device with support for OTAs. The Dual SIM support is a welcome added bonus. However, never came across a 256GB version of the SM-N950FD, only 64GB version, which I'm not willing to settle for, especially as I plan on keeping this device (my first ever Samsung Smartphone) for the next 5+ years (unless something a whole lot more useful becomes available) and I'm using it more and more as a full-fledged Pocket PC.
After you've rooted, do you always clean install via Odin in order to install the monthly security updates? Or how do you update the device? Please and thank you.
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for monthly updates, no need to be rooted.
If you root then chances are you have twrp and probably are on a custom rom. the dev which makes the rom will update their Rom(monthly?) and then just flash that in twrp.
only thing you need to do is maintain your bootloader and modem up to date via odin. never flash these 2 firmwares that might be provided within roms or as seperate files as they are almost always for n950F.
I too have a 256gb version and it has been nothing but smooth sailing!
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for monthly updates, no need to be rooted.
If you root then chances are you have twrp and probably are on a custom rom. the dev which makes the rom will update their Rom(monthly?) and then just flash that in twrp.
only thing you need to do is maintain your bootloader and modem up to date via odin. never flash these 2 firmwares that might be provided within roms or as seperate files as they are almost always for n950F.
I too have a 256gb version and it has been nothing but smooth sailing!
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Thanks for the information. I don't have a custom ROM (frankly, I really like Samsung's feature-packed stock ROMs), I rooted so that I could switch the CSC to the Canadian Fido CSC (FMC) to enable WiFi Calling and also native call recording. Unfortunately, haven't figured out how to get either of those working yet, but also using Magisk root for other handy root applications like Titanium Backup, DisableService, etc., all while keeping Safetynet happy
In this situation, how would you suggest I do the updates without losing system data? Is there a way via PrinceComsy Odin? Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for the information. I don't have a custom ROM (frankly, I really like Samsung's feature-packed stock ROMs), I rooted so that I could switch the CSC to the Canadian Fido CSC (FMC) to enable WiFi Calling and also native call recording. Unfortunately, haven't figured out how to get either of those working yet, but also using Magisk root for other handy root applications like Titanium Backup, DisableService, etc., all while keeping Safetynet happy
In this situation, how would you suggest I do the updates without losing system data? Is there a way via PrinceComsy Odin? Thanks in advance.
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updates meaning CSC ? just flash the note 8 CSC pack from tkkg1994
you can also manualy extract the files to your device(dont forget to set file and folder permissions after. I acctualy post updates for the Canadian xac region file in that dev,s thread so he can incorporate them in his flashable zip.
Regarding csc options for wifi calling, unfortuantely Fido is Rogers. they blacklist foreign imei codes. meaning that you need a device sold by them which is total BS.
this is the only "downside" of having a non-carrier branded device
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updates meaning CSC ? just flash the note 8 CSC pack from tkkg1994
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Thanks again for the information. Sorry for not being clear, I meant entire firmware updates, like the security updates and the upcoming Oreo update. How would you flash them on the SM-N950N without losing data? I once attempted updating via Odin with HOME_CSC of the SM-N950N in the CSC slot, but it factory reset my Note 8. I then re-attempted with the HOME_CSC of the SM-N950W (the Canadian Note 8), but Odin threw back an error. Again, I'm not on a custom ROM, only changed the CSC.
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Thanks again for the information. Sorry for not being clear, I meant entire firmware updates, like the security updates and the upcoming Oreo update. How would you flash them on the SM-N950N without losing data? I once attempted updating via Odin with HOME_CSC of the SM-N950N in the CSC slot, but it factory reset my Note 8. I then re-attempted with the HOME_CSC of the SM-N950W (the Canadian Note 8), but Odin threw back an error. Again, I'm not on a custom ROM, only changed the CSC.
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stock csc firmware will wipe your fone at first but once its changed then it should not wipe after. it wipes when carrier/region is switched. flashing stock firmware from an F device to a N is not going to work.
logically is you flash the next korean full firmware update(bl,ap,cp,csc) it shouldint wipe. anyways if i remember right once csc was switched on your 1st attempt then it shouldint wipe on your subsequent tries. only thing that dies wipe is when sim triggers region to change.
if you have trwp then flash the CSC pack. it won t wipe that im sure of.
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...it wipes when carrier/region is switched...
only thing that dies wipe is when sim triggers region to change.
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So given that logic, it would always wipe my Note 8. 'Cause after flashing the official SM-N950N (SKC) firmware via Odin (which makes it now the SKC CSC), I again changed CSC to FMC via @Tkkg1994's CSC Selection tool. Attempting to flash future updates would again trigger a CSC change from FMC to SKC, right?
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if you have trwp then flash the CSC pack. it won t wipe that im sure of.
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I understand and can confirm that. However, that's used after flashing the official firmware updates, which results in a wipe in Odin as it's changing from FMC back to SKC, if I understood correctly. I'm looking for a way to avoid the wipe when doing the firmware update.
just don't flash csc part in odin next update. always use the CSC packs. of course since you flash AP then you have to reflash twrp each time and prolly have to format storage?
but all things put aside, you really should try his Iron man rom! make a trwp backup of your current state incase you want to go back.
So what about SM-N9500, the last update I received had Android January Security fix.
I jave the F edition.
Never went to jail. Flashed over 30 times different roms.
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I jave the F edition.
Never went to jail. Flashed over 30 times different roms.
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you are part of the 1%
maybe not literally 1 per cent but alot of F owners have had issues with "jail" time. there is a whole thread dedicated to the OEM unlock issue.
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So what about SM-N9500, the last update I received had Android January Security fix.
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your on chinese snap dragon. totally different beast.
not sure if that makes updates come faster or not.
n950n just got an update 1 day before the Fs.
the rest are trailing at lest 10 days behind.
so id say the update speeds is:
Ns
Fs
U's
0's
W's
time = X quantity of space... lol
I want to flash to Sprint firmware as I noticed they are fastest with updates, but I have a AT&T sim.
1. Does flashing to Sprint but using a AT&T sim have any possible issues? Or will it generally work fine? (I dont care about carrier specific stuff like VOLTE etc, I just want faster updates, and bloat can also be disabled in 2 minutes with adhell)
2. When going from U1 to U using modded Odin, do I have to do a factory reset prior to it, or can a simple dirty flash do the trick?
3. What is the most ideal way to backup the settings/goodlock modifications etc on Samsung phones?
4. When flashing via Odin, what boxes need to be checked? (CP,BL,userdata, CSC or HOMECSC? etc)
Thanks in advance, guys.
I have Note 9 (SM-N960U1) unlocked in USA. I am currently on AT&T.
I seem to have many dead spots inside my house so want to enable wifi calling but found out that I need to flash carrier specific firmware on my phone. As I am complete noob, have some questions:
1) What does flashing a firmware does? Pros? Cons?
2) I am currently on Android 10 (One UI 2.0 Build QP1A.190711.020.N960U1UEU3ZSL2). If I flash a new firmware, will my phone be downgraded to a lower version of Android?
3) If answer to @2 is Yes, how will I get latest Android updates? Will it depend on Samsung or AT&T?
4) Last but not the least, HOW THE HELL I FLASH THIS FIRMWARE?
Any help will be a great help. I have a interview on Friday so don't have much time to get this fixed.
TIA.
1) Flashing is a way to manually install or update firmware or operating system through the bootloader. This provides a way to restore the devices operating system during an emergency or failed OTA Update etc. The cons of this however is it is quite easy to mess up your device if you don't know what you are doing. And Flashing different firmware that is not originally meant for your device easily carries this risk. The bootloader is what tells your device how to boot the operating system and happens before any user interaction knock on wood you theoretically corrupt the bootloader or somehow mess it up you are left with a 1000 dollar doorstop. Im not sure how a carrier's firmware would react on an unlocked phone. I personally wouldn't risk it but it's up to you. I'm pretty sure that other users here have tried it you should look around and do your research. Remember this would not only be changing Android this would also change the CSC and Modem.
2) Android 10 has not yet been released for the Note 9 so I would assume that you are on the beta. You would need to factory reset and downgrade to Android 9 before flashing ATT's firmware.
3) Carrier's handle OTA updates. However im not sure you would even receive OTA's anymore.
4) You need to use Odin3 and get the firmware from somewhere like sammobile.
In conclusion I personally would advise you to contact ATT with your problem. Considering your interview tomorrow if something did for some reason go wrong you most likely wouldn't have time to fix it.
UndeadAnarchy said:
1) Flashing is a way to manually install or update firmware or operating system through the bootloader. This provides a way to restore the devices operating system during an emergency or failed OTA Update etc. The cons of this however is it is quite easy to mess up your device if you don't know what you are doing. And Flashing different firmware that is not originally meant for your device easily carries this risk. The bootloader is what tells your device how to boot the operating system and happens before any user interaction knock on wood you theoretically corrupt the bootloader or somehow mess it up you are left with a 1000 dollar doorstop. Im not sure how a carrier's firmware would react on an unlocked phone. I personally wouldn't risk it but it's up to you. I'm pretty sure that other users here have tried it you should look around and do your research. Remember this would not only be changing Android this would also change the CSC and Modem.
2) Android 10 has not yet been released for the Note 9 so I would assume that you are on the beta. You would need to factory reset and downgrade to Android 9 before flashing ATT's firmware.
3) Carrier's handle OTA updates. However im not sure you would even receive OTA's anymore.
4) You need to use Odin3 and get the firmware from somewhere like sammobile.
In conclusion I personally would advise you to contact ATT with your problem. Considering your interview tomorrow if something did for some reason go wrong you most likely wouldn't have time to fix it.
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Thanks a lot for your help mate..cheers
rockstar283 said:
I have Note 9 (SM-N960U1) unlocked in USA. I am currently on AT&T.
I seem to have many dead spots inside my house so want to enable wifi calling but found out that I need to flash carrier specific firmware on my phone. As I am complete noob, have some questions:
1) What does flashing a firmware does? Pros? Cons?
2) I am currently on Android 10 (One UI 2.0 Build QP1A.190711.020.N960U1UEU3ZSL2). If I flash a new firmware, will my phone be downgraded to a lower version of Android?
3) If answer to @2 is Yes, how will I get latest Android updates? Will it depend on Samsung or AT&T?
4) Last but not the least, HOW THE HELL I FLASH THIS FIRMWARE?
Any help will be a great help. I have a interview on Friday so don't have much time to get this fixed.
TIA.
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You have SM-N960U1 with One UI 2.0? Did you just buy it used? You are on bootloader 3, so you cannot flash another firmware with bootloader less than 3.