Hi - I got a Toshiba exceria 128gb micro sd card. Didn't really look when ordered, but turns out this is a UHS class 3 card - apparently the fastest class currently produced in terms of minimum read/write speads.
My phone recognises the card, asks for external/internal use - then says it 'too slow' irrespective of external or internal formatting.
If formatted as internal, the phone then get stuck in a bootloop when shutdown or rebooted - it will constantly go to fastboot/recovery. Occasionally, after going to fastboot 4-5 times it will reboot normally to system.
The only way to get it boot consistently is to pop out the sd card, then pop it back in once the phone is booted up and asks for the missing card. Then it runs fine - although I feel apps installed to the sd card run slowly.
Needless to say, this a PITA - my current solution is just to leave the phone on and put it in airplane mode overnight.
I can find mentions of similar issues on the other G5 series phones, and even the G4 - all those threads seem to indicate the these phones will only handle cards up to UHS class 1 correctly.
Before forking out for a UHS class 1 card, is anyone else experiencing this issue?
Cheers!
PS - Note the phone is stock with the october 1st patch level. I've tried wiping cache and/or doing a full factory reset via stock recovery, but the issue always comes back.
I got a super fast card like that (it was a Samsung 64GB though....from what I could tell by Amazon reviews, they make the most reliable fast flash memory), also formatted it as internal, and have had exactly zero issues in a month of heavy usage. So I'd say it's your card.
P.S. Are you in India or something? Because I have yet to see a single update past June.
No problem with mine, Samsung Evo Plus 128GB. Well, it says UHS1 card on the cardboard but have u3 logo on the card. I suspect it is the same with exceria
It also gave me notification that it is slow. Seriously, something is wrong with motorola, the speed is slower compared using it on PC.
Just an advice, don't use it as internal. There is no real advantage of internal except installing app on sd. It is a time bomb because it isn't robust enough to handle read/write for a long time. When the time comes, it becomes corrupted and you pretty much have to deal with what you had through and probably lose most of your data as well.
Do you know why Google never put sdcard support in their devices since nexus era? IMHO, that is one of the reason. It isn't as reliable and as fast compared to the one they use as internal storage. Well, of course nowadays, they are doing it mostly for gaining money by people using cloud storage.
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Does the speed of the card determine the transfer speed between the Phone and PC or within the Phone itself?
I'm wondering if it's worth the extra 20 to get a class 6 over a class 4.
This has been discussed before. The phone dictates the data transfer speed between the PC and SD card.
So what transfer speed does the Nexus One dictate?
Well..when tommyarmour and I were discussing this in his thread a month ago..neither of us got more than 2mb/s or so using class 4 and 6 cards. Plugging my class 6 directly into my computer's card reader got me over 6.5mb/s.
There are 2 distinct things about SD card performance:
1) If one roots and uses APP2SD method, where N1 stores apps on an EXT* partition on on the _card_ , instead of its own, built-in and very limited flash storage, then one would probably want faster performing card so that apps load faster. Especially if you have a game with tons of textures/scenery
2) Unrelated to #1, faster cards should allow faster transfer rates from one's computer to the N1's SD card - so when you have large music/image libs, those
could be moved on/off device quicker. But it appears that N1 limits such external transfer rates, making it moot to go for faster cards (unless you use APP2SD) . One can get faster rates by yanking the card out and using an external, proper, reader - so that might help if one needs to move say 10GB of music onto the card.
Bottom line: you can spring for 16GB Class 6 Card (Adata's are good, about U$60 on Amazon), save few bux and get slower card or wait another month for 32GB cards to appear in stores and make your decision _then_
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There are 2 distinct things about SD card performance:
1) If one roots and uses APP2SD method, where N1 stores apps on an EXT* partition on on the _card_ , instead of its own, built-in and very limited flash storage, then one would probably want faster performing card so that apps load faster. Especially if you have a game with tons of textures/scenery
2) Unrelated to #1, faster cards should allow faster transfer rates from one's computer to the N1's SD card - so when you have large music/image libs, those
could be moved on/off device quicker. But it appears that N1 limits such external transfer rates, making it moot to go for faster cards (unless you use APP2SD) . One can get faster rates by yanking the card out and using an external, proper, reader - so that might help if one needs to move say 10GB of music onto the card.
Bottom line: you can spring for 16GB Class 6 Card (Adata's are good, about U$60 on Amazon), save few bux and get slower card or wait another month for 32GB cards to appear in stores and make your decision _then_
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I got lucky. I won my 16GB class 6 micro SD card. I do, however, wish to get another 16GB card but don't want to spend the money so I'm waiting for the 32GB to come out and the 16GB to drop in price. 8GB is just not enough for music, apps2sd and nadroid/ext backups. I've been having to compromise and either keep only one nandroid on my SD card or cut down on my music (which I hate doing). A 32GB card would be GOLDEN but I don't even want to think about what that's going to cost.
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There are 2 distinct things about SD card performance:
1) If one roots and uses APP2SD method, where N1 stores apps on an EXT* partition on on the _card_ , instead of its own, built-in and very limited flash storage, then one would probably want faster performing card so that apps load faster. Especially if you have a game with tons of textures/scenery
2) Unrelated to #1, faster cards should allow faster transfer rates from one's computer to the N1's SD card - so when you have large music/image libs, those
could be moved on/off device quicker. But it appears that N1 limits such external transfer rates, making it moot to go for faster cards (unless you use APP2SD) . One can get faster rates by yanking the card out and using an external, proper, reader - so that might help if one needs to move say 10GB of music onto the card.
Bottom line: you can spring for 16GB Class 6 Card (Adata's are good, about U$60 on Amazon), save few bux and get slower card or wait another month for 32GB cards to appear in stores and make your decision _then_
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Thanks for the explaination. Now do you think anybody out there is trying to 'open' up this limitation of the N1's transfer speed? Hope so...I thought I had an adapter...so I ordered a card without an adapter...but, now I can't find it!
BTW...I sprung for a 16GB class 6. Was a present...so why not.
Twice in the last two months my 16 GB Class 6 AData microSDHC memory card has popped up as being "corrupt" and needed reformatting after powering back up from reboot on my Nexus One.
The first time happened on CM 5.0.3.1, the second time was with CM 5.0.4.1 with the UV kernel. Both times, data could not be read either through the N1, my old G1, or my friend's Droid. Thus a reformat was required and data loss ensued.
Anyone else experiencing occasional data corruption on their SD card? Another friend had it happen to his G1 with an 8 GB microSDHC memory card recently, running the latest CM for the G1, also on reboot and battery swap.
Is there a common thread here? Could it be HTC hardware-related? CM software-related? Just coincidentally two bad memory cards? Me using chinese replacement batteries when swapping out? The UV kernel? Not trying to point fingers or throw stones, just trying to get to the bottom of this...just lost some great pics of a recent vacation I just got back from. Suggestions or hints are welcome!
TIA!
this has happened to me a few times but I was still able to get my data through amon-ra recovery. I think it have something to do with an improper dismount of the card.
I'm curious, what brand of memory were your friends using?
I actually had this happen when my n1 was still stock (16gb class6 card)
I put the sd card in a card reader on my pc, everything was intact so I backed it up, reformatted and still had the n1 report it was corrupt. I ended up having to shut down, remove card, boot up w/o a sd card in, then with the sd card back in I never had the problem again
I know I did a full format the very first time, that 2nd time I had done a quick format. I've done a format recently also via amonra for ext partition and still no problems.
I happend to me few weeks ago. After turned it on ... I couldn't do anything because the screen was black and any key or type of touch was useful ... so I removed the battery and at the next start the SD wasn't readable anymore!
sry 4 my bad english!
erikikaz:
i'm running a 16 GD Class 6 AData memcard in my N1, my friend is running an 8 GB class 6 SanDisk memcard in his G1. Neither of us is running Apps2SD or anything weird.
glad to see i'm not the only one with this issue. was gonna buy a new 16 GB card but saw an article yesterday that sandisk is coming out with a 32 GB class 6 sdhc card in a month so i'll just wait for that one.
Same here
Same thing has happened three times on my Sandisk 16gb. I am running stock everything on nexus..nothing funky app wise.
After the first time it happened I replaced the sd card. It still happens. I have never been able to fix the card other than reformating. Chkdsk /f on win7 gets to 98% then throws an i/o error.
There is something majorly wrong. It seems that it happens in all android phones from time to time not just the nexus one. The consensus online seems to be that it is a mount/dismount issue that corrupts the card. I never mounted or dismounted the card at all with PC and it still happens so not sure what else it could be.
Do you think it is a phone hardware issue that would resolve with a new handset?
Has this ever happened to anybody using the standard 4GB card?
Where did you purchase your micro SD cards? There are a lot of fake/faulty cards being sold. I bought a fake one (unknowingly, obviously) and it kept getting corrupted until I tested it properly using h2testw.
I have the same problem on my nexus! I use an LG 16GB Card and CyanogenMod-5.0.5.3-N1! Any way of recovering the data without amon-ra?
Regards,
roman
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I think it have something to do with an improper dismount of the card.
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+1 Make sure you dismount from computer first...otherwise this problem will pop up again...and may not be correctable next time. (There's a reason why the phone asks you to properly dismount from computer first)
no **** my n1 has the error message damaged sd card. restarted the phone a couple times and same message. what should i do? i see peoples solutions on this thread but idk where to start. i have a rooted n1 running cyan 5053 with apps2sd
I have had this problem a couple of times too, the latest being this morning
I have a stock N1 with a 16GB Sandisk card. The first time this happened, i went to use the camera and it said insert SD card, even though there was one there, I rebooted the phone and then got the Damaged SD card message.
This morning I was on the train, had been using the phone to read the news earlier with no problems, I got it out of my pocket and screen was black. and the phone completely unresponsive. Removed and replaced battery, booted up and got the Damaged sd card message again.
Both times I have been able to recover most of my files by putting the card in a PC, the first time I found that a couple of my photos were corrupted and unrecoverable, indicating that possibly it was the camera app that may have caused the issue the first time.
This time though, I found that some of my music tracks were corrupted along with one of my videos, and also a directory on the SD called LOST.DIR. Everything else was fine.
Not sure why only these files were affected, as I was not listening to music or watching any videos, so I dont see why the nexus one should have been accessing those parts of the card when it corrupted.
I could not delete the corrupted files, even on my PC, accessing them causes the PC to lock up. The only way to get card working again seems to be a format.
If only the format would work!
Regards,
Roman
Just happened to me as well. Genuine 8gb Sandisk, class 4.
After a reboot Nexus reports corrupted card. It really seems corrupted, I'm unable to read it in a PC or anything else:
[ 1042.673542] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[ 1042.673551] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : Medium Error [current]
[ 1042.673561] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error
[ 1042.673571] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 10248
I'm using CM 5.0.4.1 with UV kernel.
It's happened to me, even using the "safely remove hardware" function on the pc. i started just using the unmount on the phone which seemed less problematic.
Yep...add me to the list. Running stock N1 was playing music when it ocurred it started skipping through the tracks fast right before it stopped. It has affected/removed all my pics and left the music.
I'm with you all:
2 times on my Motorola Milestone, using a 16GB class 4 "unbranded" card
3 times on my Nexus, using that same 16GB class 4 card.
2 times on my Nexus, with a 16GB class 6 SanDisk card.
Most times, the data has been available by mounting the card into a PC or Mac directly, though my Mac has seen the card as "read-only" in these cases.
I seem to have this problem after mounting the card onto my work PC, though I don't often do that. I mostly use ADB to copy files. Maybe it is linked to leaving the debugging interface up all the time? I do that and I'm sure that most of you do as well...
Me too
I am using FRF91 MRCr21 and I am on a 800mv 070810 .35 rc4 kernel. Newest 5.00.08.04 radio.
Twice now after using quickboot my phone has reported my SD card damaged and it says I will have to reformat. It is a 8gb class 2 sandisk, real. One time I used quickboot to enter recovery mode and the other was only to reboot the phone. Has anyone else had this problem? What is the best fix? Both times I rebooted my phone was stable. I wasn't downloading or installing anything. Thanks!
My phone can't read the card. If I pull the card and put it directly in my computer it won't read either. Both OS can't read the file system and want me to reformat.
Neither happened due to not dismounting. Anyone correlate the problem with quickboot?
have had zero luck with adata 16GB classs 6 cards. i have gone through 2 of them however their 8 GB card has been awesome
Just had this with a Sandisk 16GB Class 2 card. Inserted into card reader, copied something, popped it back into the phone, corrupt card message. Even the computer says I have to format it.
This may just be a case of me being genuinely unlucky in my purchases but humour me anyway!
Like you lot I have an SGS and with all the recent mods regarding sound I like to use it as my mp3 player, so buying a micro sd card for additional storage was a must.
I had a spare 4gb class 2 card lying around so I've been using that for some months. Finally decided to upgrade to a more meaningful 16gb class 4 card.
Ordered one off Amazon through a seller. As soon as I put the card in the phone, it refused to recognise it but my PC, digital camera, old blackberry 9000 and n95 saw it just fine. So I formatted the card in the pc using the downloadable SD Card formatter as some googling suggested this might return the card to a working state. After that the phone saw a 16gb card, so I copied some music onto it, it worked for about 30 mins and then the card died totally. Upon reinserting it into the pc, windows only saw an 8mb card in RAW format and nothing I've done since has recovered the card. Card was dead.
Anyway I contacted the seller who posted me a nice shiny Kingson 16gb class 6 card right away.
New card arrived last night, appeared in the phone straight away as a 16gb card. Great start.
Plugged the phone in, started copying some music on it - the write speed was incredibly slow. I mean really slow, 100mb of mp3s was taking the best part of 3 minutes. Popped the card in the PC, same problem.
I find that I can actually write data to the card till its full (albeit slowly) but once you've written more than around 4gb of data, the files start to vanish.
I know it sounds incredibly stupid but anything written after around the 4gb mark just doesn't appear when I plug it into the phone or the PC. The card claims it is full, but only 4gb of data is visible, let alone accessible. I've done the usual formatting of the card and changing card readers etc etc but the result is the same and this is starting to grow boring.
So, question. Am I just incredibly unlucky in my purchases or is my SGS killing cards? Because I'm quite weary of buying yet another card now.
Funny enough my old 4gb card still works just fine like it has for years.
I know you'll have a FAT (file allocation table) that usually reserves a predetermined amount of space on the card for file locations. But your memory card should not be able to accept more than whats available and should be displayed correctly no matter what your using. IE pc or phone. Kingston are fairly reputable, but is your dealer reputable. There are a lot of counterfeits out there. I don't believe the phone itself is damaging these cards. Since your stating your old trusty card still works like a champ
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Has anyone tried the 'adaptable' storage hack on the Note 8 yet?
Worked on my S7.
I have the same question
I was thinking about doing this but from what I hear it's more trouble than it's worth but if anyone whose done it would like to chime in I'm sure we'd all greatly appreciate it.
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I was thinking about doing this but from what I hear it's more trouble than it's worth but if anyone whose done it would like to chime in I'm sure we'd all greatly appreciate it.
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I feel the same way. More trouble than its worth. The 64GB is plenty for all your apps and for everything else you have your fat Micro SD card.
I can't find half a reason to bother with it. 1. Many apps, especially larger one will use SD card for storage, if not you can set it to do so in settings. 2. SD card is slower than internal memory, so frequently used programs shouldn't be there 3. It creates whole lot of problems if SD card goes bad and yes, had this happen to me multiple times on Sandisk included. 4. it can get complicated when you swap the cards between phones, computers etc and you use the phone without dedicated SD card inside 5. If you really think 64GB internal storage doesn't do it, hunt for elusive 128 and 256 GB versions. They should show up somewhere.
The only a reason to do it I can think off: "because I can?"
I wouldn't do it unless the UFS ever comes out. Supposed to be a lot faster external storage.
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If anybody does want to enable adoptable storage on the Note8 despite the potential issues, try ashyx's patch here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/patch-adoptable-storage-enabler-t3460478
Note:
- You will need TWRP installed.
- It might not work for you. I've only tested it with Renovate.
- You will need to use adb to set up your sd card.
You won't do it on an unrooted phone. Samsung never implemented it.
The phone's built in memory is far faster than any SD card at this point. You'd be slowing your phone down... and not by just a little bit.
I beg to differ
Agree the phones internal memory is tops right now.
Disagree the phone will be slow if you offload storage.
Source: i have virtually every app i use daily (Save a couple) moved to SD card and ive noticed NO.. I repeat NO.. noticeable difference in speed or issue by moving these apps. And im talking about WhatsApp, textra, several video playing apps, Instagram, Snapchat, outlook mobile, and some other apps.
There is SOME residual data from these apps that LIVE on the internal storage—perhaps this left over data keeps the app from bottlenecking from the SD card. This is speculation though.
If interested, in mexico, the largest carrier, telcel offers the 128 Gb model
Hi guys,
What is the fastest memory card speed G6 (not plus/play) can use? Somewhere I read Motorola recommends U1 or faster. Is it worth investing in a fast card?
E.g. a Sandisk 32GB 100/90 MB/s is the same price as a Samsung 64GB 100/60 MB/s so if the phone couldn't use the fastest speed anyway, I'd rather take larger capacity.
I'm planning to put apps on the card. My old phone has slowed down considerably when I did that, so if the G6 CAN use the faster speed, I'd prefer that.
Thanks!
Sandisk 160/60 card gets 77/44 on moto g6. The same card gets higher speed on a lower end phone. Apps run okay at that speed on g6 but don't know if consistent use for apps lowers overall performance. Other users should post their speeds so we can get an idea what's the max speed g6 can get out of microsd cards.
Actualy in the meantime I bought the Sandisk Extreme Plus A1/V30 (95/90 MB/s), I just haven't installed it in the phone yet.
@e4noob what app did you use for benchmarking?
//Edited card name/specs
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Actualy in the meantime I bought the Sandisk Extreme Pro A1/V30 (100/90 MB/s), I just haven't installed it in the phone yet.
@e4noob what app did you use for benchmarking?
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I used androbench. Please post the speeds on this card. I'll predict around 80/50. I have this suspicion that g6's card reader might be low quality. But it would be nice to be proven wrong on that.
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I used androbench. Please post the speeds on this card. I'll predict around 80/50. I have this suspicion that g6's card reader might be low quality. But it would be nice to be proven wrong on that.
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Okay I put the card in the phone and ran 4 tests with Androbench. The *best* results, rounded up to 5/50 from each category are:
Squential read/write: 80/65 MB/s
Random r/w: 4200/1400 IOPS
SQL Insert/Update/Delete: 950/1200/1900 QPS
This is a brand new Sandisk Extreme Plus 32GB card (95/90 MB/s) formatted as external storage.
Also ran 2 tests on internal storage (note this phone has been in use for 2 weeks and it's half full so there's certainly some data fragmentation):
Squential read/write: 260/100 MB/s
Random r/w: 11600/5300 IOPS
SQL Insert/Update/Delete: 1100/1200/1550 QPS
Not sure what to think of the SQL numbers but in the random r/w performance the internal memory trashes the memory card so it's probably not the best for running apps. Sequential write is quite close though so I guess Sandisk's claim of 4k video recording holds true.
Hm, I wonder if there are memory cards meant for faster random access (like an SSD) and would phones be able to take advantage of such speed?
Edit: fixed my mistake about what card I have. It's a Extreme Plus 95/90, not Pro.
~ never mind, a rant was here how I can't format the card as internal storage but I found it. Good.
After formatting as internal, the phone complained the card is slow.
I let it move 4.5 GB of data from internal memory to the card, which the phone said would take 7 minutes. It was done in about a minute.
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~ never mind, a rant was here how I can't format the card as internal storage but I found it. Good.
After formatting as internal, the phone complained the card is slow.
I let it move 4.5 GB of data from internal memory to the card, which the phone said would take 7 minutes. It was done in about a minute.
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I've seen that too (phone warning the card is too slow) when I was experimenting with internal storage format. If you face any issues like phone wigging out or apps going missing or card crashing, let us know here.
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No problems so far!
On my last phone with a basic Class 10 Kingston card, I had problems with apps disappearing after a reboot. It was especially annoying with Amazon Kindle which was the biggest (movable) app and I had to keep it in the phone memory.
No problems with the Moto. I even enabled the developer option to force apps which don't support it onto the card and they all work fine. Which is super cool especially for navigation apps with their massive offline maps. Neither Sygic nor HERE We Go support moving the app onto the card. (In both cases you can move the maps onto the card but only if it's formatted as external storage, not internal.)
Apps start really fast. I *think* I can sense some slowdown when running some apps like Duolingo and LingoDeer compared to when running from internal memory, but it might as well be my imagination. I see no slowdown when running Waze which is a lot larger. And the phone is slightly slower to boot but that's no biggie. It wasn't fast to begin with. But all the card apps are available IMMEDIATELLY upon booting, while on my old phone/card it took another minute to initialize.
Last night I noticed the phone tends to kill background apps way too aggressively, which is bloody annoying but I doubt that has anything to do with the card, it's more like another stupid Android/Motorola feature. (I have the adaptive battery feature disabled.)
Another odd thing is that the storage reports 5 gigs of games in the internal memory even when I moved all games onto the card, so that's clearly another Android bug.
So yea, I think it was worth it investing a little more in a faster card. I wish the phone would be faster overall but for what it is it's fine and the card isn't slowing it down so far.