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Clarify - what is (by now) possible with XZ1C, Need to decide wether to buy or not

Hey Guys,
i'm really tempted to buy an Xperia XZ1 Compact, but am really wondering if i can live with the Restrictions Sony 'implemented'. I read some threads, but am still unsure about some facts.
I thought Id write down what i found out, would you mind to correct any conclusion that is wrong? (As of 2018 Mar 21)
1) By unlocking the Bootloader, the DRM-Keys are lost forever, thereby warranty is likely void
2) By now there is no way to backup the DRM-Keys. There is a Bounty-Program for finding a solution, but by now that isnt solved, and it seems more unlikely that a solution might pop up anytime soon.
3) It is possible to unlock every Bootloader, even those with status "allowed: no"
4) Sony provides an official way to unlock the Bootloader, but that renders the Camera (and some other Features) unusable.
5) There is a DRM-Fix that simulates the DRM-Keys, so it is possible to use the Camera and other Special Features without any downside, aside that the original DRM-Keys are gone forever.
6) If not rooted, it is always possible to downgrade the Firmware to a Version that is compatible with XperiFIX
7) Even without Root, it is possible to uninstall every unwanted Package over ADB
8) Even without Root, it is possible to disable/delete unwanted sounds like Startup/Shutter/Screenshot etc...
Would be really glad if you could correct anything that might be wrong, so i can really decide if could live with those limitations!
Thankin u! :good:

dafunkydan said:
Hey Guys,
i'm really tempted to buy an Xperia XZ1 Compact, but am really wondering if i can live with the Restrictions Sony 'implemented'. I read some threads, but am still unsure about some facts.
I thought Id write down what i found out, would you mind to correct any conclusion that is wrong? (As of 2018 Mar 21)
1) By unlocking the Bootloader, the DRM-Keys are lost forever, thereby warranty is likely void
2) By now there is no way to backup the DRM-Keys. There is a Bounty-Program for finding a solution, but by now that isnt solved, and it seems more unlikely that a solution might pop up anytime soon.
3) It is possible to unlock every Bootloader, even those with status "allowed: no"
4) Sony provides an official way to unlock the Bootloader, but that renders the Camera (and some other Features) unusable.
5) There is a DRM-Fix that simulates the DRM-Keys, so it is possible to use the Camera and other Special Features without any downside, aside that the original DRM-Keys are gone forever.
6) If not rooted, it is always possible to downgrade the Firmware to a Version that is compatible with XperiFIX
7) Even without Root, it is possible to uninstall every unwanted Package over ADB
8) Even without Root, it is possible to disable/delete unwanted sounds like Startup/Shutter/Screenshot etc...
Would be really glad if you could correct anything that might be wrong, so i can really decide if could live with those limitations!
Thankin u! :good:
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add bluetooth problems to your list of cons.
Sent from my G8441 using Tapatalk

With the Bootloader unlocked, you won't receive OTA updates anymore.

jbarba76 said:
add bluetooth problems to your list of cons.
Sent from my G8441 using Tapatalk
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No Bluetooth problems here.
dafunkydan said:
so i can really decide if could live with those limitations!
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The DRM fix made by sToRm// works on any firmware (next release) and any XZ device.
The DRM that sony installed is broken when you unlock your bootloader and sToRm//'s fix enables it. So there is no loss of quality with the camera, it's exactly as stock. The DRM is fixed or broken, the camera is fixed or broken, there is no half way 'dodgy' pictures that people imagine.
Yes, you won't receive any OTA updates if your phone is rooted, but there is Xperiafirm and Newflasher, to keep you up to date. Then reflash with sToRm//'s app and you're good to go.
Yes, you can delete or disable apps you don't want without root.
Disabling sounds needs no special permissions and the level of tweaking as to what apps make visible/audible notifications on Oreo is superb.
In the old days you wanted to root your phone to control all the battery eating apps, but Google/Sony have been aware of the drive to extend battery life for a long time now and with a few exceptions, changing the configuration of the services will probably make your battery worse not better. The battery life on the XZ1 compact is the best of any phone I've had, straight out the box, no tweaking required.
The only other main driver for rooting your phone was to be able to customise it and change the frramework colours, but you can do that without root now.
Be sure you want to root you phone for the right reasons, not because it's fashionable, or because you want Xposed installed so that when you press the volume the flash comes on.
There's a chance you'll break your phone in the process, so is what you want to root your phone for important enough to have to buy a new phone for?
I'm not trying to put you off, but if you read sToRm//'s thread, there's loads of people getting into a real mess trying to root when they don't even know what ADB is. They've unlocked their phones, broken the camera, but now stuck unable to get the fix to work. Don't go there.

Hi there. Just giving my two cents here.
First the op is right I think in everything he said. I'm just not sure what the unlock bootloader part but other than that looks legit. It's a great idea for topic because Sony really screwed up some things in this phone. I had a z3 compact before which lasted like 2 years until I decided to upgrade to a s8 last year. Great phone but I really didn't like the size so decided to switch back to this. Overall I like it but the limitations Sony has put are ridiculous and defeat the whole purpose of getting an android.
Anyways I wanted to root because I use VPN and as a result I couldn't get a decent ad block solution because of that. Now with root I can use adaway and mimminguard while using VPN so I'm happy. Anyways I bought the phone on a online shop with only 3 month warranty. As it expires next week I decided to give it a go during the weekend.
With xperifix its really a simple process the dev made a great job. I'm far from being an expert in Android stuff and I could do it almost hassle free. So if you really want to root the phone and don't care about the TA or warranty go for it. Otherwise stay out of it as the last user said

Good day.
I had several Android phones, and all rooted except the lastest two, Galaxy S8 and Sony xperia XZ1 compact.
I see no real advantage in rooting latelly, Android OS has become more mature and apps like xposed, titanium backup, greenify are no longer needed IMO.
I used xposed for astetic purpose.
Now is possible to backup Apps and data with Xperia Backup, it is possible to freeze system apps with BK disabler, so i no longer need Titanium backup.
I can force doze the phone with Naptime, and apps are hibernated earlier, so no longer need for Greenify.
Not worth loosing warranty.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
I had several Android phones, and all rooted except the lastest two, Galaxy S8 and Sony xperia XZ1 compact.
I see no real advantage in rooting latelly, Android OS has become more mature and apps like xposed, titanium backup, greenify are no longer needed IMO.
I used xposed for astetic purpose.
Now is possible to backup Apps and data with Xperia Backup, it is possible to freeze system apps with BK disabler, so i no longer need Titanium backup.
I can force doze the phone with Naptime, and apps are hibernated earlier, so no longer need for Greenify.
Not worth loosing warranty.
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+ you can theme with substratum without root. i really cannot see why people bother with root these days.
edit: not trying to be contentious, i get that some people still love to root for some niche mods. i just mean that compared to five years ago when i needed a tonne of mods to get my galaxy s3 looking and feeling nice, there seems to be much less need for it with a device/OS this good and so many great rootless mods.

Is it possible to encrypt the device with a password at boot, with pin+fingerprint and only user fingerprint at boot?
i'm looking to strengthen my security with a new device and upgrade from z3 compact, but still unsure. love the compact, hate DRM-stuff of sony

luminoso said:
Is it possible to encrypt the device with a password at boot, with pin+fingerprint and only user fingerprint at boot?
i'm looking to strengthen my security with a new device and upgrade from z3 compact, but still unsure. love the compact, hate DRM-stuff of sony
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The phone partiton is encrypted by default.
You only need to set either pin unlock or pattern unlock (both have fingerprint option) and that will lock the phone and make the partition unreadable, no MTP access or recovery access via TWRP.
If you want to read the phone in TWRP then you need to have set the pin unlock and TWRP will ask you for the pin to continue.
This doesn't apply to the external SD card.
Fingerprint unlock to boot? you've been watching too many spy movies.

1) By unlocking the Bootloader, the DRM-Keys are lost forever, thereby warranty is likely void
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Keys are lost, warranty not necessarily. I unlocked bootloader on a Z1 compact and had to sent it later to Sony because of defect battery and they fixed it without complaints.
2) By now there is no way to backup the DRM-Keys. There is a Bounty-Program for finding a solution, but by now that isnt solved, and it seems more unlikely that a solution might pop up anytime soon.
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Yes, not sure when or if ever a vulnerability that allows root acces will be found. For Tablet Z4 it took very long time until I could backup my keys (~ 1.5 years as far as I remember)
4) Sony provides an official way to unlock the Bootloader, but that renders the Camera (and some other Features) unusable.
5) There is a DRM-Fix that simulates the DRM-Keys, so it is possible to use the Camera and other Special Features without any downside, aside that the original DRM-Keys are gone forever.
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Seems to be solved (did not test it). But not perfect solution of course. Needs for example additional steps on every firmware update.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz1-compact/development/kernel-sony-xz1-compact-16-january-2018-t3736068
6) If not rooted, it is always possible to downgrade the Firmware to a Version that is compatible with XperiFIX
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Yes, no problem. Use FlashTool and XperiFirm. Doesn't matter if bootloader unlocked or not. In some cases you may need to reset data to factory default too on downgrade. It may be wise to backup firmware packages when new version is released because you can download only latest and second latest in XperiFirm. Older get removed!
7) Even without Root, it is possible to uninstall every unwanted Package over ADB
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Sadly no, you can only disable system apps. You would need read/write access to system partition which you cannot get without root.
Examples of uninstallable apps: "Amazon Kindle", "Amazon Shopping", "AVG Protection", "Facebook", "Facebook App Manager", "Spotify", "Talkback".... oh Sony )
8) Even without Root, it is possible to disable/delete unwanted sounds like Startup/Shutter/Screenshot etc...
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No startup sound present at all.
Shutter sound can be disabled in Camera settings.
Screenshot sound cannot be disabled.

allofmex said:
Examples of uninstallable apps: "Amazon Kindle", "Amazon Shopping", "AVG Protection", "Facebook", "Facebook App Manager", "Spotify", "Talkback".... oh Sony )
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You can uninstall all of those,, permanaently, without root, perhaps you are unfamiliar with ADB?

Didgesteve said:
You can uninstall all of those,
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Thanks for the hint. The end of your linked article mentions that these apps are still not deleted from device. They are just deleted for default user (user 0). It is a little bit better than disabling the app because if they are "uninstalled" by mentioned adb command the don't show up in your Settings -> App list anymore, but you will not free space on device.
I just tested it before, no change on free storage size after "pm uninstall...".

allofmex said:
Thanks for the hint. The end of your linked article mentions that these apps are still not deleted from device. They are just deleted for default user (user 0). It is a little bit better than disabling the app because if they are "uninstalled" by mentioned adb command the don't show up in your Settings -> App list anymore, but you will not free space on device.
I just tested it before, no change on free storage size after "pm uninstall...".
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Are you leaving the '-k' switch in?
pm uninstall -k --user 0 "package name goes here"
the 'k' switch preserves the folder and data and I'n not entirely sure why the example of how to uninstall shows that configuration.
If you delete without that switch, it will infact remove the files
pm uninstall --user 0 "packagenamegoeshere"

Think about it before rooting or mess up the phone.
I already wrote this in another thread.
Seriously, it's not KitKat days anymore guys. Besides adblockers, what do u need root for since Android Oreo? And I mean really useful stuff, not theming or or freaking sounds...
And about the damn ad blocker, u can Google it and u will find a few ways to have it, without root.
.... Or maybe it's just me getting older so I don't see any reason to bother about it ???

BK disabler for XZ1 compact?
I checked out BK disabler in Play store, it says it's for Samsung only and it's a paid app with no trial version. However I did notice in reviews (if I pick "From this device model only") that someone with XZ1 compact gives this app 5 stars. Is this a better way to deal with unwanted uninstallable apps than ADB?
Hansoliv said:
Good day.
I had several Android phones, and all rooted except the lastest two, Galaxy S8 and Sony xperia XZ1 compact.
I see no real advantage in rooting latelly, Android OS has become more mature and apps like xposed, titanium backup, greenify are no longer needed IMO.
I used xposed for astetic purpose.
Now is possible to backup Apps and data with Xperia Backup, it is possible to freeze system apps with BK disabler, so i no longer need Titanium backup.
I can force doze the phone with Naptime, and apps are hibernated earlier, so no longer need for Greenify.
Not worth loosing warranty.
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strate aero said:
I checked out BK disabler in Play store, it says it's for Samsung only and it's a paid app with no trial version. However I did notice in reviews (if I pick "From this device model only") that someone with XZ1 compact gives this app 5 stars. Is this a better way to deal with unwanted uninstallable apps than ADB?
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Good day.
. Sorry, i totally forgot it was a paid app, i bought it for my Galaxy S8 last year. It seems that the last version is 10.9 that works in all android.
And i followed this instruction. (https://kunkunsoft.wordpress.com/setup_device_owner_2/)
I personally use the app, because i freeze apps i only use sometimes, like facebook or instagram, and don't want them to be in the app drawer and using resources in the background.
If you only want to freeze bloatware and uninstalable and forget about them, is better (and cheaper) doing it by adb.
(Recently i read an article that disabling apps does not have any impact in battery consumption whatsoever)
BTW, if you do not want your games or apps like facebook be running in background and use resources, you could try App Ops (this one is free, i promise).
I use it for my games, facebook and google play store (the most known battery hoggers) (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rikka.appops)

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
. Sorry, i totally forgot it was a paid app, i bought it for my Galaxy S8 last year. It seems that the last version is 10.9 that works in all android.
And i followed this instruction. (https://kunkunsoft.wordpress.com/setup_device_owner_2/)
I personally use the app, because i freeze apps i only use sometimes, like facebook or instagram, and don't want them to be in the app drawer and using resources in the background.
If you only want to freeze bloatware and uninstalable and forget about them, is better (and cheaper) doing it by adb.
(Recently i read an article that disabling apps does not have any impact in battery consumption whatsoever)
BTW, if you do not want your games or apps like facebook be running in background and use resources, you could try App Ops (this one is free, i promise).
I use it for my games, facebook and google play store (the most known battery hoggers) (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rikka.appops)
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply, I actually don't mind paying for an app if it works well on my device. It would only bother me if I bought it only to find out it didn't work (I guess I could request a refund) anyway I was just trying to verify that it indeed did work with XZ1 compact. I read the instructions in the link and using BK Disabler is a bit more involved than just installing the app and using it to freeze other apps. You need to temporarily remove all your accounts and use ADB!
The main app I'm trying to get rid of is What's New, I have already disabled everything else I don't want. For some reason Sony won't let that app be disabled the regular way.
Thanks for the tip about App Ops , looks like it needs to used by ADB and needs "a little bit troublesome setup steps" in the words of the developer, oh well, I guess I'll try looking into this a little further but no matter what I'll be needing to use ADB to get the job done

strate aero said:
Hi,
Thanks for the reply, I actually don't mind paying for an app if it works well on my device. It would only bother me if I bought it only to find out it didn't work (I guess I could request a refund) anyway I was just trying to verify that it indeed did work with XZ1 compact. I read the instructions in the link and using BK Disabler is a bit more involved than just installing the app and using it to freeze other apps. You need to temporarily remove all your accounts and use ADB!
The main app I'm trying to get rid of is What's New, I have already disabled everything else I don't want. For some reason Sony won't let that app be disabled the regular way.
Thanks for the tip about App Ops , looks like it needs to used by ADB and needs "a little bit troublesome setup steps" in the words of the developer, oh well, I guess I'll try looking into this a little further but no matter what I'll be needing to use ADB to get the job done
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If you're going to the trouble of setting up ADB, you don't need any apps to disable a service.

Didgesteve said:
If you're going to the trouble of setting up ADB, you don't need any apps to disable a service.
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply, I checked out your link. Apparently to get rid of What's New I would have to remove package com.sonymobile.entrance ,right? I was noticing in that thread a few users were reporting that they needed to reset their devices because they apparently removed something they weren't supposed to but they didn't say what that was. Is What's New somehow linked to System Update or something else that might be important? Should I maybe leave it alone just wondering why Sony wouldn't allow that app to be disabled if it wasn't important somehow

I decided to remove BK disabler and force doze and let the phone be. It seems that having some apps disabled that way confuse the OS and it uses more battery.
I will try and use the method above and remove What's New and Support app, and leave the OS manage things.

Non Root Package Disabler

I didn't come for a lecture on how the phone will automatically sleep apps I don't use or how I can just live with it. I just want to clean the clutter from my phone. I don't use Bixby, nor do I want stickers in my camera, nor do I want 80% of my app drawer being taken up by crap I will never ever touch.
Oh and I'm not buying a pixel, they are ugly and I can't draw on one.
I used to use bk disabler but now it won't go past the sdk loading screen.
What do you guys use that doesn't involve adb or rooting.

BriniaSona said:
I didn't come for a lecture on how the phone will automatically sleep apps I don't use or how I can just live with it. I just want to clean the clutter from my phone. I don't use Bixby, nor do I want stickers in my camera, nor do I want 80% of my app drawer being taken up by crap I will never ever touch.
Oh and I'm not buying a pixel, they are ugly and I can't draw on one.
I used to use bk disabler but now it won't go past the sdk loading screen.
What do you guys use that doesn't involve adb or rooting.
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Their site has a post explaining how to get the app to work on the latest software update. You'll have to use adb.

Use adhell 3, it's not on xda so you'll need to Google it but it works fine

Sounds like you want an iPhone ??

BriniaSona said:
I didn't come for a lecture on how the phone will automatically sleep apps I don't use or how I can just live with it. I just want to clean the clutter from my phone. I don't use Bixby, nor do I want stickers in my camera, nor do I want 80% of my app drawer being taken up by crap I will never ever touch.
Oh and I'm not buying a pixel, they are ugly and I can't draw on one.
I used to use bk disabler but now it won't go past the sdk loading screen.
What do you guys use that doesn't involve adb or rooting.
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This works
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.powermanager.batteryaddon

The disablers dont work with android 8. You can use sabs is clearly the beast option and best disabler ever. Before open threads search into the site.

Amaranth` said:
The disablers dont work with android 8. You can use sabs is clearly the beast option and best disabler ever. Before open threads search into the site.
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Package Disabler Pro+ (Samsung) works fine for me on Oreo.

StevePritchard said:
Package Disabler Pro+ (Samsung) works fine for me on Oreo.
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Maybe after the last update. But sabs still mutch better. Is not only a disabler. Can try both.

Uninstalling via adb is so much more easier and hassle-free. You can find a very small package with just the minimum required on the forum. No need of Knox key, Android studio, generating key every 3 months, not knowing when it will be discontinued or if it will still work with the next update, etc.
You can just install them back when needed.

Nastrahl said:
Uninstalling via adb is so much more easier and hassle-free. You can find a very small package with just the minimum required on the forum. No need of Knox key, Android studio, generating key every 3 months, not knowing when it will be discontinued or if it will still work with the next update, etc.
You can just install them back when needed.
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No need for android studio, there is apk which just need renaming.
Ok it is by far the more complicated app to install, but also by far the best, much better from any other solution, and the one with by far the best battery.
If you can, you go for sabs, if not this is the best alternative
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I've been using Package Disabler Pro + (Samsung) by policedeveloper and it works flawlessly...
There's another topic you might want to check out regarding this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/help/package-disabler-pro-samsung-vs-bk-t3617455/page4

sosimple said:
No need for android studio, there is apk which just need renaming.
Ok it is by far the more complicated app to install, but also by far the best, much better from any other solution, and the one with by far the best battery.
If you can, you go for sabs, if not this is the best alternative
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Since SABS is discontinued I won't recommend it and you'll still need a key to be generated every 90 days if not banned beforehand. Plus, an other app to install to rename the package and this method was never supported by the devs.
If I recall what was said on the thread well, it never fully disallowed the disabled packages to still run in the background.
It can't be better than just uninstalling the unwanted app for the current user which require nothing than a 9 MB to install on your computer.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2588979
Then
Code:
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.yourpackage

Nastrahl said:
Since SABS is discontinued I won't recommend it and you'll still need a key to be generated every 90 days if not banned beforehand. Plus, an other app to install to rename the package and this method was never supported by the devs.
If I recall what was said on the thread well, it never fully disallowed the disabled packages to still run in the background.
It can't be better than just uninstalling the unwanted app for the current user which require nothing than a 9 MB to install on your computer.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2588979
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Actually sabs is still unofficially updating. Last version is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/8cp46f/notsabs_version_100_changelog/
After first installation it is a peace of cake to update. To renew key, i spend under 1 minute... 1 minute every 3 + months (it still work some times to 4 months.) is nothing for me.. On the other hand, i have friends who can't do it, so i do it for them.. I suppose we doesn't all have same knowledge..
It doesn't need continuing update as it has specific target which is fulfilled as it is..
Something that you don't know. Search it if you think i am wrong, i am not: By the adb command you posted you do EXACTLY what sabs does. You just use a pc for this. You don't really uninstall an app. You just hide it from os. You don't earn the mb of the app, as the app still stay installed. Just os doesn't see it. Just for information. I can understand that some people find it hard to use sabs. It's a good thing we have options.
One thing is 100% sure though. There is not better way than sabs. No pc, no adb, no anything. Nothing is better and more battery friendly. But yes, it is the most complicated for installing. Some people just can't do it or doesn't want to spent the time for installing it. It's very understantudable this..

I know why the OP said he doesn't want a lecture. Of course you're always gonna get the comments about why buy a SSamsung.Well I like the way it operates....generally. But I've not found any Android that provides the very customizable email app I like...including Samsung. But their email app keeps running even though I've never uusd it. The "it doesn't affect battery life" mantra is crap. When you're doing something intensive, EVERYTHING running in the background lags you more and more.
I had Package Disabler...quit working. I paid for BK disabler...quit working. I just tried Package Disabler Pro+, crashed everytime I tried to disable anything.
Not everyone has quick access to a PC. Mine crashed, then Oreo updates, screws everything up so I have to factory reset...without a computer, ADB or a working disabler.
In addition to email, Smart Things constantly wants to run and I don't own any smart equipment to use it with. So why can't you even disable it? WithTV??? ANT??? Does anyone use ALL of the apps on their phone? If not then it would be nice to be able to disable what you don't want. And the space waste Uber, Briefing, ad infinitum, you should have the rights to delete them, not just disable. When you pay 3 car payments for a phone, you expect it to work the way you want it.
>>>Off my soapbox. But that's why I bought a Samsung and why I want a working disabler too.

If you own a Samsung device and you want a full package disabler and adblocker come to the alliancex website and download the alliance x shield full package disabler APN changer and Ad blocker all without root.

garyinskeep1 said:
If you own a Samsung device and you want a full package disabler and adblocker come to the alliancex website and download the alliance x shield full package disabler APN changer and Ad blocker all without root.
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It doesn't seems to be a very active project. Plus, having to post to enable features...

That was an old requirement they did away with the poat rule.The alliance x shield works great
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That was an old requirement they did away with the poat rule.The alliance x shield works great
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That's great.
It's it still an active, updated project?

Yes it's still active and we are still adding new things.If you have anything you would like to see added let me or one of the other active mods now we will discuss with developer.

garyinskeep1 said:
Yes it's still active and we are still adding new things.If you have anything you would like to see added let me or one of the other active mods now we will discuss with developer.
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Nice!
I'll test it as soon as I can. Sorry for the bad hasted opinion yesterday.
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garyinskeep1 said:
Yes it's still active and we are still adding new things.If you have anything you would like to see added let me or one of the other active mods now we will discuss with developer.
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Nice!
I'll test it as soon as I can. Sorry for the bad hasted opinion yesterday

A Couple of Questions Before Buying

Currently have a ONEPLUS 3T running Resurrection Remix ROM, which is great.
I guess the P30 hasn't had any development in this area? I was reading in the rom section and it seems even unlocking the bootloader is tricky, let alone loading a custom rom.
Is this something that will come later?
It's my first time thinking about buying a relatively new phone so not sure of the time line of things like this.
Cheers!

anotherxdauser said:
Is this something that will come later?
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Huawei stopped giving official bootloader unlock codes, which means no TWRP or custom ROM/ Kernels. There are unofficial unlock codes, but they are pricey, may not be available all the time, etc.
But if you're looking to buy a P30 Pro, it shouldn't be for its custom ROM scene or mod capabilities. It should be for its camera. Period. There is a very good reason it's being held so high in all reviews for its camera prowess, you won't be getting tried of admiring what the camera can do, and the built-in image editor can enhance on - be it night, wide or zoom.
To its credit, EMUI does have a few features like very good theme support, a Network speed indicator, the gesture navigation and floating navigation dock are nifty, etc. You can install Netguard for firewall and Ad blocking through hosts, disable or uninstall system apps (bloatware) through ADB, try out custom launchers if you do not like EMUI launcher, and so on - in other words, its not too bad that the phone cannot be officially unlocked.
But if custom ROM/ recovery are more important, you should look at One Plus 7/ Pro, maybe. You'll not have similar kind of a development for this phone. Look up the custom section for, say, Mate 20 Pro to understand the kind of progress you can expect

Thanks
Have been thinking yesterday whether I need root or not.
I don't understand ADB, so try and avoid using it.
This is where a custom recovery excells - I can just load the zip and flash it on to the phone from the phone. But a lot of the time, this is to do with custom roms.
I have AdAway, but don't think that needs root.
I have Solid Explorer, which has a root mode, but I rarely use this and it's more for finding files around the phone than anything else.
I do use Greenify but not sure whether it actually does anything, or if it needs root access.
Nova Launcher is one that may require root, but I can't see anything blindingly obvious as to why. It also hides system apps so I don't bother uninstalling them.
Titanium Backup - but I only use this when upgrading the ROM.
Bouncer is another app I have recently installed. It does have a root mode, but is optional.
I can still sideload apps without root, so don't need it there either.
So it doesn't look like I need root.
Perhaps I only had it to install a custom ROM, but I'm not one of those people who installs a new one every week. I barely update the one I have because it's a fair bit of hassle! I think the only thing I am worried about is after Android 9 and whether there will be a timely update to 10. But then the changes I have seen since abut 3 or 4 versions of Android have been very minimal at best.
Can things run systemlessly without root?
Sorry for all the questions.
Does worry me a little that Huawei don't allow people to fully control their phones - the cynic in me makes me think it's because they're spying, so don't want people to run any other software but theirs! Ha ha.
I may have an opportunity to buy the phone for about £400 less than what Amazon are selling it (Amazon: £899, eBay: ~£500, one I was looking at on ebay: £500 with best offer).

Be careful with ebay. Cheapest isn't always best.

anotherxdauser said:
I have AdAway, but don't think that needs root.
I do use Greenify but not sure whether it actually does anything, or if it needs root access.
Nova Launcher is one that may require root, but I can't see anything blindingly obvious as to why. It also hides system apps so I don't bother uninstalling them.
Can things run systemlessly without root?
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AdAway will need root (or magisk) - so that won't work. What you can do is use netguard and import the latest hosts created by AdAway (in another, rooted device). Read up about netguard, it's pretty good at what it does
Greenify has a non-root mode, but then the battery life in this phone is monstrous - I get about 2.5 days with 7 hrs of screen time and 1.5 hours of calling - my usage is pretty light though
Nova launcher does not need root for its primary functions - I haven't used it in a while so not sure what else it does that needs root
Nope - systemless/ magisk et all need bootloader unlocking, which ain't straightforward with this device...

Some good thoughts here.
If I can import a hosts file (link to tutorial?) that would be great.
Funny as I only use AdAway to block a banking app contacting its servers to report I'm rooted so I can still use the banking app. However, if I'm not rooted, I may not really require it any more.

Something on my phone wants to talk to Facebook

I have the Amazon version of the G7 Plus. On my home network, I am running Pi-Hole as a DNS server. When reviewing the logs on Pi-Hole, the most active device on the network is my phone. Among the requests it send out, it is trying to send requests to 'web.facebook.com', 'graph.facebook.com' and connect.facebook.net'
I have never had Facebook installed on this phone. I don't use a web browser to access it either. I have closed all my apps and disable background data on all installed apps. It is still trying to talk to Facebook.
Is there a way I can identify what app is making these requests? In a 24-hour period, it has made nearly 500 requests. That boil down to a request every 3 min 30 seconds. If I can identify the app, I can decide if it's worth keeping.

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I have the Amazon version of the G7 Plus. On my home network, I am running Pi-Hole as a DNS server. When reviewing the logs on Pi-Hole, the most active device on the network is my phone. Among the requests it send out, it is trying to send requests to 'web.facebook.com', 'graph.facebook.com' and connect.facebook.net'
I have never had Facebook installed on this phone. I don't use a web browser to access it either. I have closed all my apps and disable background data on all installed apps. It is still trying to talk to Facebook.
Is there a way I can identify what app is making these requests? In a 24-hour period, it has made nearly 500 requests. That boil down to a request every 3 min 30 seconds. If I can identify the app, I can decide if it's worth keeping.
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There is a factory facebook installer app trying to do its job...so its got all your radios looking for a download its not getting or the illuminati planning a dark plot against society.... Moto is probably the last phone to still have that and probably the first...lol... if you are rooted with magisk I would install the terminal debloater mod and follow the directions...super easy and is something I wish I had back in the day....i just reflashed stock on mine and flashed back twrp and magisk...ill put the specific apk info shortly

My phone is pure stock. Not rooted. I thought we vanquished the Illuminati. Sneaky bast*rds.

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KtownJeff said:
3 apps that facebook uses to mess with life /system/app/facebook -appmanager
/system/priv-app/facebook-installer
/system/priv-app/facebook-services
If you are stock it can be defeated by using adb pull commands .... I can walk through it if you havent done it before but this thread will cover it all just follow step by step and I believe after OTA you will have to do it again.. nope new info i just obtained states that u wont have to do it again and you can debloat the Amazon stuff too
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/
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:good::good:

So...I followed the instructions for adb. Since this was an unlocked phone that I bought from Amazon and since I am using a prepaid MVNO, I wasn't sure what to put in the 'OEM' or 'Carrier' variables. I downloaded and installed the App Inspector app. I scrolled through every entry on the list and could not find any that had anything resembling Facebook in it.
Anything else I can try? Thanks for all your help.

mrschwarz said:
So...I followed the instructions for adb. Since this was an unlocked phone that I bought from Amazon and since I am using a prepaid MVNO, I wasn't sure what to put in the 'OEM' or 'Carrier' variables. I downloaded and installed the App Inspector app. I scrolled through every entry on the list and could not find any that had anything resembling Facebook in it.
Anything else I can try? Thanks for all your help.
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I did a little more research and found out that its other apps reporting to facebook.... they share data and facebook plugs it into an ad algorithm....hmmmm.... read these articles https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/fac...-you-from-other-web-sites-how-to-stop-it.html
https://gist.github.com/imcodingideas/f07be3889411b323e5f8051899b9d9cc

KtownJeff said:
I did a little more research and found out that its other apps reporting to facebook.... they share data and facebook plugs it into an ad algorithm....hmmmm.... read these articles https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/fac...-you-from-other-web-sites-how-to-stop-it.html
https://gist.github.com/imcodingideas/f07be3889411b323e5f8051899b9d9cc
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Since years this service is a part of almost every app for Android.

WoKoschekk said:
Since years this service is a part of almost every app for Android.
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I just got the memo...lol....Ive only been at it two years so Im still learning all the time

How To Guide S21 Ultra Debloat

Found a couple of handy articles listing most of the bloat packages in Galaxy phones:
How to Remove Samsung Galaxy S20 Bloatware? - KrispiTech
How to Remove Samsung Bloatware without Root (ADB)
If you want to remove bloatware on your Samsung Galaxy S10, S20, Note 10 or Galaxy Tab, here is a list of safe to remove Samsung bloatware.
technastic.com
more tips and ready to use scripts:
Ultimate Samsung S9 and S9+ Debloat Guide
The Samsung Galaxy S9 and S9+ are truly fantastic flagship phones – unfortunately they do come with a bit of bloatware, either from your carrier or
appuals.com

Thanks, looks good. What happens on updates and factory reset, does everything get restored again?

anro15 said:
Thanks, looks good. What happens on updates and factory reset, does everything get restored again?
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OTG updates and rebooting won't change anything, what's uninstalled will stay uninstalled, but factory reset will reset the phone to its original 'factory' condition.

thanks for this, very helpful

does any one know if these lists to debloat are broken down into usable groups to warn if you intend to use a certain a certain application , eg samsung pay you cannot remove the following items, etc. I've had issues in the past that removing a few items caused others to malfunction. i just don't want to get debloat happy and cause kept items to fail.

johnp357 said:
does any one know if these lists to debloat are broken down into usable groups to warn if you intend to use a certain a certain application , eg samsung pay you cannot remove the following items, etc. I've had issues in the past that removing a few items caused others to malfunction. i just don't want to get debloat happy and cause kept items to fail.
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Ppl have different priorities, a relevant app for someone might be disregarded by others so you have to do it on your own. Best way to find out is to google the entire package name "com.xxxx.xxxxx.etc..." and look for the answers.

Wouldn't it be nice if Samsung acted like a respectable manufacturer and not some back alley pimp?
It's not like these junk filled phones are cheap.

blackhawk said:
Wouldn't it be nice if Samsung acted like a respectable manufacturer and not some back alley pimp?
It's not like these junk filled phones are cheap.
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I know I have bought package disabler pro something like twice. With my S21 ultra (which I decided to keep - pathetic me) has anybody had experience with using it with Android 11? I don't want to throw money at them again although it has worked well in the past.

peterg21 said:
I know I have bought package disabler pro something like twice. With my S21 ultra (which I decided to keep - pathetic me) has anybody had experience with using it with Android 11? I don't want to throw money at them again although it has worked well in the past.
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I'm running a 10+/Pie. This is the one I've been using for years with no issues.
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com

blackhawk said:
I'm running a 10+/Pie. This is the one I've been using for years with no issues.
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
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OK. That is the one I have seen outside the play store but was somewhat reticent to buy. But not expensive - not going to bankrupt me - so let me try this. Thanks (for the moment )

peterg21 said:
OK. That is the one I have seen outside the play store but was somewhat reticent to buy. But not expensive - not going to bankrupt me - so let me try this. Thanks (for the moment
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All appears fine as before with this app. Disabled what I normally disable. Let's see how this works out.

peterg21 said:
All appears fine as before with this app. Disabled what I normally disable. Let's see how this works out.
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It's a very useful app. It allows you to set a widget that when an entry is checked it will toggle the apk(s) on/off by touching the widget
Uses very little battery. Runs clean and stable.
Something else unique about it is for troubleshooting when you clear an apk's data it leaves no nulls (presumably) behind.
It can completely clear a system apk's data that clearing the data in Settings will not.
That saved me a reload once and also allowed me to isolate the system apk that was causing the issue.

My Verizon branded hardly had anything on it out of the box. The second it hit the internet I got about 15 games and a ton of crap out of the blue.
What is Verizon calling that DT ignite app now? I can't find it.

felloffthetruck said:
My Verizon branded hardly had anything on it out of the box. The second it hit the internet I got about 15 games and a ton of crap out of the blue.
What is Verizon calling that DT ignite app now? I can't find it.
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Package block Verizon updates. That's what I do with my AT&T 10+ variant.
It continues to run fast and happily on Pie.
Not missing Q one little bit or using excessive bits to get a file opened!

felloffthetruck said:
My Verizon branded hardly had anything on it out of the box. The second it hit the internet I got about 15 games and a ton of crap out of the blue.
What is Verizon calling that DT ignite app now? I can't find it.
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Have you disabled Verizon App Manager within the settings. I had the same issue you did. From Google-ing around, I found that this app can install apps without your permission (according to reddit)

mprunty said:
Have you disabled Verizon App Manager within the settings. I had the same issue you did. From Google-ing around, I found that this app can install apps without your permission (according to reddit)
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Yes, just found it and disabled it.

felloffthetruck said:
Yes, just found it and disabled it.
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If you don't disable updates Verizon can alter your firmware as they see fit.
Verizon like AT&T are partnered with Samsung, let that stink in for a few seconds.
Verizon gives active input to firmware updates from Samsung. To the point were the interface may be quite different from a stock Samsung... and not necessarily for the better.
The last updates are usually the worst; been there, done that.
Not taking that ride again

blackhawk said:
I'm running a 10+/Pie. This is the one I've been using for years with no issues.
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
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i just purchased it but am scared id disable something and mess **** up. is there a tutorial somewhere where it shows what to disable and what to keep in order to things to run smooth aswell. ty

kazlow said:
i just purchased it but am scared id disable something and mess **** up. is there a tutorial somewhere where it shows what to disable and what to keep in order to things to run smooth aswell. ty
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What works for one person may not work for another as there many variants of the same model.
It's best if you try to learn what the apk you're disabling does. Some have dependencies.
Some will boot loop the device if not able to run on boot up. I'm also using Karma Firewall so sometimes instead of disabling an apk I simply firewall block it to retain better functionality and ease of use. I have no easy solution that fits all. Learn by doing.
You should always be ready to do a reload with all critical your data backed up.
It's rarely needed but it can be needed at any moment with little or no warning.
That said I've never crashed an OS using a package disabler however your results may vary
I use my SD card as a data drive. I can do a full restore anywhere, anytime with little or no internet connection in about 2 hours.
Without an SD card your backup alternatives are less attractive...

There is literally zero data showing that debloating brings a any value or efficency at all