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PETITION: Samsung to implement Camera API 2 in Note 4 firmware

Hi.
We all want better camera control and access to manual controls for our Note 4 camera.
Google has made that possible with Camera API 2 in Android 5. But Samsung decided not to implement that into they're Android 5 build for Note 4.
This will give us Manual shutter control, more ISO control, Manual blender and so on.
I have started a petition at: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/implement-camera-api-2-in-note-4-firmware
Please sign

yeah i really want this camera2 api, i really love the custom controls on my Lumia would be perfect if they came to the note too.
I want to vote but the page you linked is not availible

Daemonum1980 said:
yeah i really want this camera2 api, i really love the custom controls on my Lumia would be perfect if they came to the note too.
I want to vote but the page you linked is not availible
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ups. link fixed

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I want this too, sure.. But isn't there a way a developer can actually transfer part of the camera firmware from the s6 to the note 4?

@arovik
Petition should also Include
-Fast Firmwares Updates
-Update Apps like Gallery and Launcher just like HTC and Sony Do

Camera2 API would be perfect, but let's face it, Samsung will not react to an online petition and give us what we want.
As far as I know the Galaxy S6 supports Camera2 API, so chances are high that we'll get a Note 5 in autumn that will also support it.

Stefan0vic said:
I want this too, sure.. But isn't there a way a developer can actually transfer part of the camera firmware from the s6 to the note 4?
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No no.. Closed source Sammy firmware that controls the hardware.. It would be awesome (and incredibly difficult) for a Dev to implement something like this.
foo said:
Camera2 API would be perfect, but let's face it, Samsung will not react to an online petition and give us what we want.
As far as I know the Galaxy S6 supports Camera2 API, so chances are high that we'll get a Note 5 in autumn that will also support it.
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Yes S6 does (but still NOT 100%)..Figures! Still no manual shutter and one other of the main api's (can't remember which one)
But yes you're right Sammy won't do anything about a petition.
I was however practically praying for this before their LP firmware came out! But of course Sammy didn't and I just don't know why! (left out multi-users from LP too)
But this is so sweet in LP and gives their more advanced users the pro/manual controls we all crave!
Especially this camera (which for the most part is incredible but has one major flaw) where the shutter speed is way too damn slow.. It's indoor/lower lighting shooting just causes way too much motion blur - basically my one major gripe with this awesome phone.. Us with kids who like to take lots of indoor candid shots (and lighting isn't absolutely perfect as Sammy expects) will often get motion blur in parts even with the slightest movements.. Better hope your subjects stay immaculately still and don't breathe, flinch, move an inch lol!
Damn I want Camera2 on this.. Maybe (if ever) on 5.1.x? Probably not though.. Note5 and flagships beyond

electech13 said:
No no.. Closed source Sammy firmware that controls the hardware.. It would be awesome (and incredibly difficult) for a Dev to implement something like this.
Yes S6 does (but still NOT 100%)..Figures! Still no manual shutter and one other of the main api's (can't remember which one)
But yes you're right Sammy won't do anything about a petition.
I was however practically praying for this before their LP firmware came out! But of course Sammy didn't and I just don't know why! (left out multi-users from LP too)
But this is so sweet in LP and gives their more advanced users the pro/manual controls we all crave!
Especially this camera (which for the most part is incredible but has one major flaw) where the shutter speed is way too damn slow.. It's indoor/lower lighting shooting just causes way too much motion blur - basically my one major gripe with this awesome phone.. Us with kids who like to take lots of indoor candid shots (and lighting isn't absolutely perfect as Sammy expects) will often get motion blur in parts even with the slightest movements.. Better hope your subjects stay immaculately still and don't breathe, flinch, move an inch lol!
Damn I want Camera2 on this.. Maybe (if ever) on 5.1.x? Probably not though.. Note5 and flagships beyond
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They'll do nothing about it on the Note 4 and market it as a new feature on the Note 5.

Batfink33 said:
They'll do nothing about it on the Note 4 and market it as a new feature on the Note 5.
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simple .. i ll buy a nexus or an htc or a sony

Count me in!!!!!!!!!

Count me 2

electech13 said:
No no.. Closed source Sammy firmware that controls the hardware.. It would be awesome (and incredibly difficult) for a Dev to implement something like this.
Yes S6 does (but still NOT 100%)..Figures! Still no manual shutter and one other of the main api's (can't remember which one)
But yes you're right Sammy won't do anything about a petition.
I was however practically praying for this before their LP firmware came out! But of course Sammy didn't and I just don't know why! (left out multi-users from LP too)
But this is so sweet in LP and gives their more advanced users the pro/manual controls we all crave!
Especially this camera (which for the most part is incredible but has one major flaw) where the shutter speed is way too damn slow.. It's indoor/lower lighting shooting just causes way too much motion blur - basically my one major gripe with this awesome phone.. Us with kids who like to take lots of indoor candid shots (and lighting isn't absolutely perfect as Sammy expects) will often get motion blur in parts even with the slightest movements.. Better hope your subjects stay immaculately still and don't breathe, flinch, move an inch lol!
Damn I want Camera2 on this.. Maybe (if ever) on 5.1.x? Probably not though.. Note5 and flagships beyond
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This is my biggest problem. Shots during the day are fantastic, but anything in "less than outside light" (not low light...) come out ... Meh... I had the 930 and the 1520, wow, those took FANTASTIC photos! In almost every lighting condition. And EVERY Review for the Note 4 said how it was just as good or better... I couldn't believe they said that... The Note 4 camera leaves a lot to be desired in the camera department. I hope they fix this. If they don't, since I change devices frequently, I can promise my next device WON'T be a Samsung device. Other than that, and the lousy lag for recent apps and reviewing picture after taking it on the camera (all very well documented), I'm very happy.
Bring Camera2.0!

The problem with too slow shutter speeds can be controlled to some extend.
When I use a real camera with a fixed focal length lens, I have control over shutter speed, aperture and ISO. This 3 variables mainly define the outcome of my picture.
On a smartphone the aperture is fixed, so only 2 variables are available in theory: Shutter speed and ISO.
If I increase the shutter speed, there is less time for the light to hit my sensor, to compensate this, I have to increase the ISO (and get more noise), but moving subjects will be less blurry. Unfortunately we need camera2 API to do this.
BUT: as ISO and shutter speed are directly related I can do it the other way round. If you increase the ISO the shutter speed will also increase, so setting the ISO to the highest value (and not "auto") will increase noise in your picture, but it will also increase the shutter speed.
You can also trick the metering to increase the shutter speed even more, by adjusting the exposure value ("EV"). If you decrease the EV by -1, your picture will be darker as you requested the camera to collect less light by doing so, but this will lead to an increase of the shutter speed as well.
Last but not least you can add more light by forcing the LED-flash to fire no matter what.
The app "Camera FV-5" allows to set a fixed ISO of 1600 while the stock camera app limits this to ISO 800.
You may want to try this out, if you're taking pictures of your moving kids indoors.
One more thing: If noise becomes too bad you may try to convert the image to black and white. As color noise is not an issue in b/w images, your image may look much better as in color (luminance noise will still be present though).

foo said:
The problem with too slow shutter speeds can be controlled to some extend.
When I use a real camera with a fixed focal length lens, I have control over shutter speed, aperture and ISO. This 3 variables mainly define the outcome of my picture.
On a smartphone the aperture is fixed, so only 2 variables are available in theory: Shutter speed and ISO.
If I increase the shutter speed, there is less time for the light to hit my sensor, to compensate this, I have to increase the ISO (and get more noise), but moving subjects will be less blurry. Unfortunately we need camera2 API to do this.
BUT: as ISO and shutter speed are directly related I can do it the other way round. If you increase the ISO the shutter speed will also increase, so setting the ISO to the highest value (and not "auto") will increase noise in your picture, but it will also increase the shutter speed.
You can also trick the metering to increase the shutter speed even more, by adjusting the exposure value ("EV"). If you decrease the EV by -1, your picture will be darker as you requested the camera to collect less light by doing so, but this will lead to an increase of the shutter speed as well.
Last but not least you can add more light by forcing the LED-flash to fire no matter what.
The app "Camera FV-5" allows to set a fixed ISO of 1600 while the stock camera app limits this to ISO 800.
You may want to try this out, if you're taking pictures of your moving kids indoors.
One more thing: If noise becomes too bad you may try to convert the image to black and white. As color noise is not an issue in b/w images, your image may look much better as in color (luminance noise will still be present though).
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I know all this stuff as I use DSLR's a lot but those are all unfortunate work-a-rounds or bands aids for this phone.
Other then the fixed aperture Camera2 would give access to everything else and open up a lot of possibilities.
The S6 and G4 with their f1.9 and f1.8 apertures respectively are insane.. Makes a big difference. S6 pics are phenomenal and what I've seen in G4 reviews are even better, especially in low light!
Btw I love Camera FV-5 and Snap HDR.. Amazing apps and help a bit but this note can't access all of their amazing features... Due to no camera2 of course... Grrrr
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zkyevolved said:
This is my biggest problem. Shots during the day are fantastic, but anything in "less than outside light" (not low light...) come out ... Meh... I had the 930 and the 1520, wow, those took FANTASTIC photos! In almost every lighting condition. And EVERY Review for the Note 4 said how it was just as good or better... I couldn't believe they said that... The Note 4 camera leaves a lot to be desired in the camera department. I hope they fix this. If they don't, since I change devices frequently, I can promise my next device WON'T be a Samsung device. Other than that, and the lousy lag for recent apps and reviewing picture after taking it on the camera (all very well documented), I'm very happy.
Bring Camera2.0!
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Yep... It sucks.. There are so many who think this is literally the best camera ever and go on and on.. And it is good but that one (in my case) big scenario, it really sucks! It was made for perfect lighting and if so the shots are incredible.
Sure.. Crank up the ISO all the way and get a super noise filled shot or try the useless "sport mode" lol.. Even then, shutter still too slow

heh just checked back on this topic and it's going great guys, we will have api2 in 2075 if we kep em going like this
But seriously, we need to spread the word for this petition or nothing will happen.

SquirtingCherry said:
heh just checked back on this topic and it's going great guys, we will have api2 in 2075 if we kep em going like this
But seriously, we need to spread the word for this petition or nothing will happen.
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serious, nothing will happen anyways, petition or not. Do you guys seriously think Samsung will care about the 0.0001 % of users who actually know what Camera V2 compatibility is. If you want really want it, buy a Note 5 in a couple of months or S6/edge if you want it now. Let's face it Note 4 is already outdated

Request moto x pure edition/style camera

Is it possible for anyone to grab the camera from the 2015 moto x I like that manual exposure feature

I'd love to have that camera app on the nexus 6, that's the only thing I miss from the moto x

There will be a port soon enough. Read on another thread that someone is working on it.
In the meantime, Get Proshot off Playstore. It has all the features like manual exposure. As well as full 4k recording w/ manual focus as well. It eliminates the constant refocus crap that has plagued our device.

Peylix said:
There will be a port soon enough. Read on another thread that someone is working on it.
In the meantime, Get Proshot off Playstore. It has all the features like manual exposure. As well as full 4k recording w/ manual focus as well. It eliminates the constant refocus crap that has plagued our device.
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Thanks I'm going to try it now

Nokia 8 or huawei p10 or something else ?

Hi guys !
I need your opinions on a new phone, for a long time i've been waiting for a phone to come to satisfy most of my needs... I don't need much but one thing i always wanted was clean stock android, a decent camera and if possible sd reader because i like having music on my phone.
Most of the phones that came out have custom roms and even though that they were good i didnt get them. Until Nokia 8 was announced which i saw that has almost all the ticks for me (im still using a nexus 4 from 2012 lol)
The only thing that i wanted is if the camera is at least decent because for simiral money i can get a p10 but dont like the idea of EMUI and because of the software updates
I saw reviews about Nokia 8 and everyone was saying that as a device is ok, also i saw that using the Google Camera Apk gets better photos so that means there is potential for the camera
If someone has the phone already give some feedback in general because im still waiting for Nokia 8 to arrive in Cyprus
Thanks and sorry for the long post !

We tested with my friend p10 plus camera vs nokia 8.
P10 plus have better photo options so it can make better image, but the difference was so small that can only be noticeable when zooming the image to max in screen.
Test was made dark and both phones was set to iso 400 and 300 etc...
When settings where full auto..thep10 plus makes very much noise compared to nokia, so the cropped image was not so clear as nokia.
Nokia max iso speed is 1600.
P10 plus is 3200.
So if take fast pic in low light without limiting iso speed nokia wins in camera.
Im waiting for update if the camera is going to have full manual so i can take shots with long exposure, now its limited to about 1s.
But overall im very happy with this...i can even watch vr xxx.

simon-sf said:
We tested with my friend p10 plus camera vs nokia 8.
P10 plus have better photo options so it can make better image, but the difference was so small that can only be noticeable when zooming the image to max in screen.
Test was made dark and both phones was set to iso 400 and 300 etc...
When settings where full auto..thep10 plus makes very much noise compared to nokia, so the cropped image was not so clear as nokia.
Nokia max iso speed is 1600.
P10 plus is 3200.
So if take fast pic in low light without limiting iso speed nokia wins in camera.
Im waiting for update if the camera is going to have full manual so i can take shots with long exposure, now its limited to about 1s.
But overall im very happy with this...i can even watch vr xxx.
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Thanks for the reply !!!

Moto G5s Plus correct camera sensor and chipset

Hello everyone!
Creating this thread in order to clarify some details about our device.
I recently bought it (Europe version-xt1085,3Gb RAM/32gb) but instead of a SD625 it has a SD626. How is it possible? And giving the fact that there are rumors that also note that our camera sensor is a Sony IMX 258 Bayer and not a samsung CMOS makes me doubt much of the initial information provided or found. Can somebody please post different screenshots from the first page of CPU-Z and also to check system/etc/camera for camera msm Sanders XML for those who have the device rooted? I do not want to root it yet as Oreo updates are rolling in a couple of days.
I also want to find a solution to exceed the limitations of the software processing of the camera to the full potential of the sensor (if it is a Sony one indeed).
Thank you

Also take a look at the attachment.

Ok

SD 626 too

Mine also says Snapdragon 626, it's a CPU-Z bug. But regarding the camera sensor I have no idea if there's any way to improve the image quality via modifying the image processing.

Aptony said:
SD 626 too
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Do you have a XT1085 or XT1084?
And could you please pull out the files i requested?
The ones in the camera foldee that write Msm sanders or so. The ones who show the real camera sensor.

AhReLocazo said:
Mine also says Snapdragon 626, it's a CPU-Z bug. But regarding the camera sensor I have no idea if there's any way to improve the image quality via modifying the image processing.
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I checked with different applications. You might be right. It is very odd tho.
What about the camera files?
If you go to Moto G5 Plus's theming and modding forum, you'll see a thread explaining how. And how it gives rise to possibilities of other devices as well.

Sniper Killer said:
I checked with different applications. You might be right. It is very odd tho.
What about the camera files?
If you go to Moto G5 Plus's theming and modding forum, you'll see a thread explaining how. And how it gives rise to possibilities of other devices as well.
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Mine is an XT1806, and it's not rooted so I don't think I can get those files. Let me see

Sniper Killer said:
Do you have a XT1085 or XT1084?
And could you please pull out the files i requested?
The ones in the camera foldee that write Msm sanders or so. The ones who show the real camera sensor.
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XT1800 Latam

Aptony said:
XT1800 Latam
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I just checked the file. It shows S5K8L3 which unfortunately is a ****ty Samsung CMOS sensor. I don't think there is much to be done with this sensor. We're ****ed.

Sniper Killer said:
I just checked the file. It shows S5K8L3 which unfortunately is a ****ty Samsung CMOS sensor. I don't think there is much to be done with this sensor. We're ****ed.
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Btw I remember you from the Galaxy Ace i days

Aptony said:
Btw I remember you from the Galaxy Ace i days
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Wow that is so nice! And nostalgic. Its been a few years of my absence. I am back with this device now and it is intriguing me a lot to develop again. Currently waiting for the Oreo update and then I'll do my full research on the device.

Sniper Killer said:
I just checked the file. It shows S5K8L3 which unfortunately is a ****ty Samsung CMOS sensor. I don't think there is much to be done with this sensor. We're ****ed.
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Are you sure thats not the selfie cam? Pretty sure the dual camera has been 100% confirmed a sony sensor already
(Link) This guy contacted moto directly and they said it was the IMX258 / IMX258 Mono

William1020000 said:
Are you sure thats not the selfie cam? Pretty sure the dual camera has been 100% confirmed a sony sensor already
(Link) This guy contacted moto directly and they said it was the IMX258 / IMX258 Mono
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You can see clearly the name S5K3L8 as the rear sensor (mono&rgb). And at the other screenshot, the name S5K4H8 which is a selfie samsung sensor. You can google both of these sensors and their details are going to match our device's details.
There are also two files of the IMX258 in the camera folder but they're useless or maybe they put it to fake the users who, like me and many more, would be pissed off if they found out what a crap of a sensor they would have in their device.
The dev of the camera improvements of G5 Plus told me that the only way of improving it is by copying the tuning of other S5K3L8 sensors used in other devices. But it is used in Xiaomi Redmi 4 and its camera is worse than ours so i don't think that is going to be a good idea. Another way actually is by modifying the libs yourself. Which i cannot do at the moment.
Just use Google Camera for taking pictures atm. Its HDR+ mode is a touch of magic.

Sniper Killer said:
You can see clearly the name S5K3L8 as the rear sensor (mono&rgb). And at the other screenshot, the name S5K4H8 which is a selfie samsung sensor. You can google both of these sensors and their details are going to match our device's details.
There are also two files of the IMX258 in the camera folder but they're useless or maybe they put it to fake the users who, like me and many more, would be pissed off if they found out what a crap of a sensor they would have in their device.
The dev of the camera improvements of G5 Plus told me that the only way of improving it is by copying the tuning of other S5K3L8 sensors used in other devices. But it is used in Xiaomi Redmi 4 and its camera is worse than ours so i don't think that is going to be a good idea. Another way actually is by modifying the libs yourself. Which i cannot do at the moment.
Just use Google Camera for taking pictures atm. Its HDR+ mode is a touch of magic.
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The only way to confirm properly is to look at the hardware. Any idea where we may be able to find images of just the Samsung camera module so I can compare it the the one in my G5S+?
To be honest I'm very happy with the way my HDR+ photos turn out.
My family are convinced this has a better camera than the iPhone SE from using gcam, so the phone must be somewhat capable of good photos Low light photos are crap though, tons of noise.
EDIT: Samsung specs say the S5K3L8 sensor is capable of only 30fps. Given we can record 1080p/60fps maybe it isn't that sensor?

That's strange, my g5s plus can only shoot 1080p/30fps. I don't know if it was after the latest camera update or not.
Edit: my mistake, apparently i was looking at the front camera settings. The rear camera can shot 1080p/60 just fine and are up to 30fps 4k

William1020000 said:
The only way to confirm properly is to look at the hardware. Any idea where we may be able to find images of just the Samsung camera module so I can compare it the the one in my G5S+?
To be honest I'm very happy with the way my HDR+ photos turn out.
My family are convinced this has a better camera than the iPhone SE from using gcam, so the phone must be somewhat capable of good photos Low light photos are crap though, tons of noise.
EDIT: Samsung specs say the S5K3L8 sensor is capable of only 30fps. Given we can record 1080p/60fps maybe it isn't that sensor?
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The samsung sensor is capable of shooting 4k videos but it is not enabled in most devices that are using it. For example in Xiaomi Redmi devices. I do not know precisely why and how but any speculation would bring no improvement to the camera whatsoever.

Is there a way to change the default camera to the 12MP one?

Is it possible to use the low-light camera as the default one so 3rd parties like GCam can work with it?

Just use night view or manual but why you want to do that? More megapixel won't mean better camera just larger image

blazessdd said:
Just use night view or manual but why you want to do that? More megapixel won't mean better camera just larger image
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It actually means brighter photo in low light. The megapixel count might be higher, but it uses pixel binning to give 5 MP output, but a better low light image.
I think the reputed devs owning MI A2 here should develop some patches or modules to use second camera with GCam.
- Mi A1 has got it done with the telephoto lens
- One plus 5 got it with almost similar config as MI A2. Its secondary lens is low light, and uses same pixel binning like MI A2.
All we can do is hope that some dev researches a bit on this and gets this working on our device too. I'm very sure that its possible since GCam has made its way to triple lens switching already.