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Z1 or QX100?

Hello Everybody,
I currently have a Z Ultra and an Arc S (need to carry two phones). I have been in a dilemma for a while trying to decide between Z1 and QX100. I know it might sound ridiculous, but it is what it is. Basically, I want to replace my Arc S (which has a wonderful camera) with a Z1. I have seen some excellent shots taken by Z1. If I get the z1, the camera has to be the significantly better than any other ANDROID phone. (and I'd be sacrificing LTE, since only unlocked HSPA version is available in the US, imported unbranded LTE versions won't fully work with my carrier, AT&T). If the camera is just a bit better than the competition, I'll just get the QX100 and call it a day.
What do you guys suggest?
Besides, if anyone happened to own US versions of both XZU (c6806 or c6802) and Z1 (c6902), could you please comment on the displays? I have an XZU (c6806) and its display is easily the best one I have ever seen. Hopefully, US version of Z1 comes with similar panel - just wanted to double check.
Thanks much in advance

schecter7 said:
Hello Everybody,
I currently have a Z Ultra and an Arc S (need to carry two phones). I have been in a dilemma for a while trying to decide between Z1 and QX100. I know it might sound ridiculous, but it is what it is. Basically, I want to replace my Arc S (which has a wonderful camera) with a Z1. I have seen some excellent shots taken by Z1. If I get the z1, the camera has to be the significantly better than any other ANDROID phone. (and I'd be sacrificing LTE, since only unlocked HSPA version is available in the US, imported unbranded LTE versions won't fully work with my carrier, AT&T). If the camera is just a bit better than the competition, I'll just get the QX100 and call it a day.
What do you guys suggest?
Besides, if anyone happened to own US versions of both XZU (c6806 or c6802) and Z1 (c6902), could you please comment on the displays? I have an XZU (c6806) and its display is easily the best one I have ever seen. Hopefully, US version of Z1 comes with similar panel - just wanted to double check.
Thanks much in advance
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Ironically I currently have all 3: Z1, Ultra and the QX100. The Z1's camera is a substantial upgrade over the ultra but not close to the QX100. The QX100 takes much better photos but there is a substantial trade-off in size and dealing with lag to connect. Really depends on your needs. I'd say the Z1 is among the best android cameras but I'm not sure it's significantly better than very best competitors.
The display on the Ultra is much better than the Z1. I'd say the Ultra is the best display I've seen in a mobile device, the Z1 is probably closer to an average quality in a modern mobile. It's not a great comparison for the Z1 if you have them side by side.
If you can find a C6906 from Canada you can get LTE on AT&T.

Thanks a lot, man! I had a slight hope that US version of Z1 might have won the 'display lottery' , since US was probably the last region to get Z1 :crying: I'm probably going to get one though - not sure yet. Viewing angle aside, does your z1 display look as good as XZU if you're looking at it directly?
Thanks!

schecter7 said:
Thanks a lot, man! I had a slight hope that US version of Z1 might have won the 'display lottery' , since US was probably the last region to get Z1 :crying: I'm probably going to get one though - not sure yet. Viewing angle aside, does your z1 display look as good as XZU if you're looking at it directly?
Thanks!
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No even directly it doesn't have the contrast range of the Ultra. It's very good but the Ultra really spoils you compared to almost anything else.

Got it - thanks! Sony's evil plan of forcing two devices down my throat seems to be working perfectly this time. Anyways, thanks much for your help.

I tried today in Las Vegas at the Sony store both QX. I was interested too. Conclusion? It is a lag fest. If you are lucky you can see smoothly on your screen the image otherwise you should wait many seconds to get your image back in sync with your screen. I don't know if there are firmware updates for the QX but currently IMHO is not gonna work. I can confirm that Z1 in high lights is a beast. Even compared to the camera phone Nokia 1020. If you care about low lights, this is not your phone.
The display isn't so worse than the ultra at least mine (UK LTE). The ultra is sightly better.
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The display of Ultra is very nice, imagine HTC One in a 6" LCD and you're there, Z1 display is very nice too but not quite as good. Also there is no real comparison between QX100 and Z1. I mean you cant compare a dedicated shooter against a smartphone,
In saying that you cant use the QX100 without a smartphone and thats where things go pear shaped.
QX100 really takes magic shots that easily compare to any PAS or any other digital camera, however the interface between phone and lense sucks balls!

Should i switch from Xperia Z to Xperia Z1?

So i have an Xperia Z, and i'm thinking of upgrading to a Z1, but i don't know if it's a worthwhile investment.
I am more or less satisfied with my Z, camera is a miss in some more difficult situations, but other than that it does what i want it do.
Bassically i want to know 3 things;
1) Does the S800 make much of a difference in real usage compared to S4 Pro?
I have very high end games on my Z, like MW4, Riptide 2, Asphalt 8, and in my opinion they are as good as they can get, but maybe i am wrong.
2) How good is the screen?
3) How good is the camera, in your honest opinion? The more in-depth answer, the better!
I know i could read reviews, but they are running older software, so i think image quality might have changed over time.
Thank you for your answers, in advance.

Warmo said:
1) Does the S800 make much of a difference in real usage compared to S4 Pro?
I have very high end games on my Z, like MW4, Riptide 2, Asphalt 8, and in my opinion they are as good as they can get, but maybe i am wrong.
2) How good is the screen?
3) How good is the camera, in your honest opinion? The more in-depth answer, the better!
I know i could read reviews, but they are running older software, so i think image quality might have changed over time.
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I love my Z1 but in my honest opinion, I would probably not upgrade yet unless you are a diehard Sony fan or definitely can't wait for next September or so. But I'll try to answer your questions best I can:
1) It makes enough of a difference to show in games but doesn't really show huge improvements in normal usage. If your Z can play the games you have without hickups, then those games aren't a reason to upgrade to S800. This of course may or may not be different for future and upcoming games but for now both chips can play those games just fine. If you are thinking of upgrading, I would probably not list this as #1 reason unless you want a more future-proof device (and more are coming out during and after Q1).
2) The screen is a bit of hit and miss. It seems Sony is using at least two if not more types of panels and some of them are better than others. If you get a good one, the screen is excellent and very enjoyable. However the lower-graded panels seem to have a variety of issues from yellow hue and bad viewing angles to even problems with the actual touchscreen. The only way to avoid these issues is to read about them and then try to examine the unit you are going to purchase at a shop. I would personally not recommend getting the Z1 online for this reason. I also had to get my touchscreen fixed because of touch issues but after repairing it under warranty it works perfectly and I am not suffering from the yellow hue issue.
3) The camera is good but the software is lacking. To be more precise the automatic setting that the camera starts with (called Superior Auto or SA) is extremely hit or miss and in many cases produces sub-par pictures. This will be an issue if you want to quickly take the device out and snap pictures without touching settings. The pros on the other hand are that the manual settings are versatile and by using manual you can take as good or better pictures than any other cameraphone on the market right now not counting the new high end Lumia's with their pureview technology. There is hope that the camera software can be improved with future updates but this is what the current situation is like. As for my own experience, I'm still getting used to the manual settings and am not yet entirely satisfied with my pictures. I'm getting the hang of it though and they are showing some small improvement - my biggest challenge is low light (100% of the time in winter for me) and noise/grain.
As of now if I was you I would wait. There are new models coming out from Samsung and later from HTC and possibly other manufacturers and the rumors are quite promising. There is some inconsistency with the Z1s that are sold and you really need to be able to examine your unit prior to purchase unless you rely on getting lucky. Also it's likely that later on in Q3 or Q4 Sony will announce the successor to the Z1 which will probably be a bigger leap from the Xperia Z that you have right now. This is just my opinion and I hope it helps.
OFFTOPIC: Also don't be surprised if your thread goes PUFF as the mods don't allow comparison threads and I'm not sure will they count this as one.

1) It's definitely faster. But with 4.3, Z is already fast enough IMO.
2) I actually prefer Z's screen. Z1's has got slightly better viewing angle but Z's colours are better IMO. And Z has got white balance settings, Z1 doesn't.
3) I don't see that much difference between the two, to be honest. But Z1 can create much better bokeh. And when it's set to 20 MP, a slightly blurry photos may still look good when uploaded on web at lower resolution (e.g. Facebook's 2048x1536 pixels). Apart from that, they seem to produce similar looking photos, esp in terms of colour tones, contrast, noise levels, etc.
All in all, I don't think you should upgrade now. It's already a bit late for you to do that. Better wait for the 2014 flagship (Z1's successor).

I've owned the Z and I had a love/hate relationship with it for the following reasons:
-Battery : It sucked. No really, I've tried and tried to make it last at least a day and never succeeded. Yes, I'm a heavy user, but when I switched to the G2 I never ran out of juice with the same use.
-Screen: The screen on the Z1, no matter what these people are saying, is MUCH better than the Z. Not just in terms of viewing angles and washed out colors (which obviously have improved remarkably), also in terms of brightness and color reproduction.
-Lag: The S800 is a beast, after using the G2 I knew for a fact that any phone I buy next would absolutely have to have it. In real world use, its snappy as hell and even under the most intense 3D gaming and heavy multitasking it never skips a beat.
-Camera: the camera on the Z1 has improved after the latest update, and for me, the rule of thumb is quite simple. Use Superior Auto for night shots and Manual 20 MP the rest of the time and you won't need much tweaking to create some absolutely brilliant photos. The Z no matter what I tried It wouldn't hold a candle to the Z1.
This is my opinion having used both phones and a G2 - the upgrade is welllll worth it.

I'd definitely wait for 2014 flagships

few reason why I didnt get the Z and got the Z1
1. Z covered headphone jacks... really annoying to take out the flaps everytime you want to listen
2. battery life sucks
3. mediocre camera... (I expect sony to revolutionize smartphone camera at every flagship, same with that they did on Xperia S, first 12 mp camera)
which all the above was resolved at Z1...
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2 things:
1. if you are a person who has the cash power to upgrade your handset every year? then do it.
2. if you are a person who upgrades rarely and have to buy the absolute value for money handset every time (every only 2-3 years)... then don't do it, wait for the successor by end of the year.

Ask yourself, do you really need a new phone? Does your Xperia Z not perform as you like?

I would strongly recommend that you wait for few days until the CES (tech conference) ends. for the past few years sony has revealed new flagship during this conference (they might or might not do this year because the Z1 was released not to long ago). But you should wait and see if they release anything interesting for you.
regarding your question, The Z1 is an upgraded Z in almost every aspect including screen, battery, camera, chipset... etc and is more future proof because it has newer chipset and because it was released later so it will be supported for longer. However, if you are satisfied with your Z, I suggest that you wait for 2014 H2 flagships (not even the one that might be released in H1) which will be using chipset based on ARMv8 architecture because this will be a big step forward in the mobile industry. Chipset is the most important part of the phone because better chipset means better performance, gaming experience, camera, overall experience ...etc

thank you for opinions. I decided not to do the upgrade from the Z to the Z1, and i will wait to see what 2014 will bring.
i admit that the camera was really the singular compelling reason for me to switch, my Z does good pictures, except ones w/ bad light. but i can live with that.
hopefully the new flagships won't be as big as the reports are predicting. the Z is right at the edge of my comfort zone in terms of size, and i have big hands mind you.

This or the new ?

Folks would you recommend this handset or wait for the Z5.
I'm not really bothered about the finger print scanner but just wondered what others thoughts were ? I know the Z3+ has some teething issues that are slowly been sorted...
Just don't like any other phone at the moment than the Z3+

You pretty much answered the question yourself. Fingerprint sensor aside, Z5 offers a new camera sensor (same size, more pixels yet smaller pitch, faster focus) with OIS. If you don't care about that either, save up & get Z3+! It has a great camera too. Going by Sony's update history, Z3+ will also get all the sw goodies. Z5 is also a bit bulkier with a slightly smaller battery. So now it's your call

Well if i have money then sure the Z5(/Premium) will be mine compared to Z3+. But if i don't, i'd better wait for price drop or just get the Z3 standard. It's still a hell of a phone.

You recon there'll be some stonking deals on the Z3+in the coming weeks now ? I assume it will get 5.1.1 and M with it having same hardware.

pss53 said:
You recon there'll be some stonking deals on the Z3+in the coming weeks now ? I assume it will get 5.1.1 and M with it having same hardware.
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Simple z5 better camera 5.1.1 battery finger print. Z3+ everything else is the same 3gb ram snapdragon 810 and z3+ will be optimized updated to. Faster Camera response 5.1.1 plus z3+ is thinner.
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Its a take and give situation:
Fingerprint vs Old power button(some like this aesthetic)
New camera vs the older camera with minor setbacks compared(like the focus and an upgraded sensor)
Bulkier vs smaller
Price vs Z3+ which surely will go down in price now(also if you dont want everything new a Z3 will be supercheap by next month)
Update-wise the support for both phones will almost hold through just as long since its so close to release to each other and they pretty much run the exact same HW apart from the camera and Fingerprint sensor
The choice is easy, if you would like a rebate on a super awesome and truly stunning device that is still super new go for the Z3+, however if you really need that new camera sensor(honestly Z3+ pictures looks stunning already) and if you value the fingerprint sensor that much go for the Z5

Cheers for the reply chaps, do any of you think that Android M will utilize the finger print scanner even more ? As when I think about things like Android pay that are coming I'd certainly love to use that (anything that saves me carrying the bank card)

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Cheers for the reply chaps, do any of you think that Android M will utilize the finger print scanner even more ? As when I think about things like Android pay that are coming I'd certainly love to use that (anything that saves me carrying the bank card)
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Most definitely but it will take time until shops and stuff starts taking Phones as a payment solution more than just at some fancy place

pss53 said:
Folks would you recommend this handset or wait for the Z5.
I'm not really bothered about the finger print scanner but just wondered what others thoughts were ? I know the Z3+ has some teething issues that are slowly been sorted...
Just don't like any other phone at the moment than the Z3+
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I think since the Z5 has something new, it's important to see if sony makes full use of the new hardest or not.
The IMX200 is used form Z1 to Z3+ and Z3+'s photo is far more better than Z1.
I think it will also take a long time to optimize the new sensor in Z5.
So why can't we wait?

I'm happy with my z3+, last update seemed to solve the heating, and android M is surely coming and resolve the battery. But it is beautiful phone, i chose copper, and it takes great pictures! Z5 doesn't have much over it, and it doesn't have OIS like someone earlier claimed iirc. I believe that z3+ will see a little price drop soon. I don't care about finger prints, i don't use any sort of screen lock but swipe.

I would love to have Z3, Z3+ & Z5 lol. No but seriously Battery life & speakers definately Z3 but I think everything else has been slightly updated on the Z3+. I would choose the Z5 over the rest though mainly because of Camera however I a still waiting to see what the loud speaker is like and also battery test and how loud they are in headphones. As the Z3 is low in headphones generally, the Z3+ is a bit better.
If the Z5 is too expensive then I would go with the Z3+

Is the Z3 camera as good as they say?

I am looking for an excellent camera. The Xperia Z3 sounds good. I do see the Z5 has a little better resolution, but I do need to root and fix up the software to run Xposed, so Z3 sounds better.
Is the Z3 camera actually excellent?

Xperia series of camera are good in my oppinion, a lot better compared to iPhones due to the number of features added.
However i suggest not getting a Z3 Compact (Or any xperia compact) as they are quite dodgy (hardware problems all the time)
But in conclusion the Z3 camera is good, but if you wanted 20MP in superior auto you need to root and install xposed anyway.

interestor said:
I am looking for an excellent camera. The Xperia Z3 sounds good. I do see the Z5 has a little better resolution, but I do need to root and fix up the software to run Xposed, so Z3 sounds better.
Is the Z3 camera actually excellent?
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I can tell you one thing for sure excellent it is not. on the contrary, far from that, average at best I'd say. The stock camera app is very slow compare to other flagship smartphones which were available at the time of the release of the z3. The auto focus is also pretty slow and quite bad. Moreover, the front-facing camera is also average, but I haven't seen any smartphone excel at that area. In addition, I don't really know if its a factor to you or not, but the flash is by far THE WORST flash I have ever seen a smartphone to be equipped with - a single LED flash which can with very little power to it.
The only positive thing I can say about it, that if you go manual in the stock app you can get some very good shots with it, but I doubt anyone does that with a smartphone on a daily basis.
Don't get me wrong, its a decent phone for it's price. However, the sole reason I sticked to Sony is because they are the only company to release a below 5" flagship speced smartphone in 2014.

nzzane said:
Xperia series of camera are good in my oppinion, a lot better compared to iPhones due to the number of features added.
However i suggest not getting a Z3 Compact (Or any xperia compact) as they are quite dodgy (hardware problems all the time)
But in conclusion the Z3 camera is good, but if you wanted 20MP in superior auto you need to root and install xposed anyway.
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Damn! I am leaning toward getting one mainly because of small size (and lanyard mount and button). What are the common problems with the compact?
What, an xposed module lets you run the camera at higher performance? What's its name? what's it do?

Sydrox said:
I can tell you one thing for sure excellent it is not. on the contrary, far from that, average at best I'd say. The stock camera app is very slow compare to other flagship smartphones which were available at the time of the release of the z3. The auto focus is also pretty slow and quite bad. Moreover, the front-facing camera is also average, but I haven't seen any smartphone excel at that area. In addition, I don't really know if its a factor to you or not, but the flash is by far THE WORST flash I have ever seen a smartphone to be equipped with - a single LED flash which can with very little power to it.
The only positive thing I can say about it, that if you go manual in the stock app you can get some very good shots with it, but I doubt anyone does that with a smartphone on a daily basis.
Don't get me wrong, its a decent phone for it's price. However, the sole reason I sticked to Sony is because they are the only company to release a flagship speced smartphone in 2014.
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Thanks. Yeah, I have read about lag, and focus hunting. Good to mention the flash.
I am interested in the manual controls, but also shooting from the hip.
Now that it is a coupla years old, price is getting better, making me think about redefining excellent.

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Damn! I am leaning toward getting one mainly because of small size (and lanyard mount and button). What are the common problems with the compact?
What, an xposed module lets you run the camera at higher performance? What's its name? what's it do?
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Commonly they will have water proofing failures, or bad batteries, but some people are lucky and get away with no problems.
Yeah i believe its called 20MP xperia or something similar and there is also this modded camera which adds many funtions to camera like more ISO options, exposure, shutter speed etc.

I have one z3c and the camera it's ok much better than most of phones. I have xposed as well and camera fx, i don't have troubles yet so far so good.

Nope, it's pretty bad and certainly a big disappointment.
In good light and with a bit of luck it can take great pictures, but most of the time it's just frustrating (mainly because you know that it is capable when it feels like it). In poor light or with the flash it's just a terrible smudgy mess, my old Galaxy S3 is considerably better. After 6 months I got sick of it and bought a Galaxy S5 which blows it away all the time.

In all reality though, if you wanted to take good photos, use a proper camera, phone cameras are only point and shoot, and are pretty crap compared to what a good camera can do

An alternative to XZ1C

I'm thinking about replacing my XZ1C with something/anything else.
The camera is horrible (for a somewhat premium phone), and I absolutely hate what Sony did with unlocking the bootloader, which makes everything a pain in the arse.
Could anyone possibly recommend me something that is 1) similarly small, 2) more or less equally powerful (I don't play games or watch Youtube so I don't need a hardware monster), and 3) with a little better camera?

If the size of the phone is important to you, I guess you're out of luck... At least I haven't found alternatives of similar size that would be better.

Sony have cornered the market with compact phones and there is very little that comes close.
I know the bootloader thing is a pain in the neck, but have a look about, there are very few manufacturers that let you 'open up' their phones these days, Sony aren't the only guilty party in locking down the proprietary software. I think Xperiafix is a small price to pay.
I haven't had any issues with the camera, although it is particularly slow to focus, compared to all the Xperia's I've had before. There's a helpful guide here.
Perhaps hold out for the XZ4 compact...
Edit: My personal favorite compact was the Z3c. Powerful enough to run games and stream, good battery and good camera. You can pick them up for > $100

Well, seeing as the camera hardware is identical, I don't think that would help me in any way.
I know I cannot expect much from a phone, but damn the pictures that come out of mine are ****! Horrible blurry mess. It's not a problem with settings either, because the photos look identically crappy whether I use auto or manual mode.
Xperifix at least lets me fix the green photos "feature", but it barely ever gets updated and still installs old TWRP and Magisk (ok, that can be updated).
Basically, this whole DRM crap leaves me majorly unimpressed from user experience.
Friend of mine has phone with Zeiss lens, and despite not being a whole lot more expensive, the camera difference is night and day. Bah.
After another search on GSMArena it looks like the situation is completely hopeless though. The only phone that seems to come close in dimensions is Galaxy A3, 2017 model. And that'll never get newer Android anyway, and LineageOS doesn't support it. Nor does it support XZs...
But I just have to have a small phone. Ffs.

Oh and don't even get me started on the selfie camera. That's flat out disaster.

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Well, seeing as the camera hardware is identical, I don't think that would help me in any way.
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If it's Sony stock cam that's driving you nuts and you already have a rooted phone @russel5 has got a proper Gcam port working on his AospExtendedRom, including HDR.

It's not the stock cam as an app, it's what the hardware is (not) capable of that does my head in.
No app can fix that
I tried his rom in the early days of experimenting with the phone, and it behaved all kinds of crazy. There are barely ever any updates too.

...and I can't even update the Phone to Pie, because Xperifix doesn't work with that, and apparently not even the author knows if he will be able to get around the changes.

I've also been keeping an eye out for a replacement as my XZ1 Compact hasn't felt like a worthy successor for my Z3 Compact.
The XZ4 Compact looks promising, but recent news leaks have been hinting that the entire compact line will be discontinued.
The only alternative at this moment that I would consider is the Pixel 3. It's only about 3mm wider, but feels just as small width wise due to being thinner and having rounded corners. The height is definitely a major step up, but I'm willing to give it a try for the much better camera. I'd also welcome the return of double tap to wake, which Sony silently decided to remove.

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...and I can't even update the Phone to Pie, because Xperifix doesn't work with that, and apparently not even the author knows if he will be able to get around the changes.
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There have been some comments around the forums that with Pie, you don't need a DRM fix - camera works with unlocked bootloader. I can't vouch for this personally, but I've read multiple posts claiming that.
EDIT: here is one such post: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...-to-backup-t3795510/post78346086#post78346086

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...and I can't even update the Phone to Pie, because Xperifix doesn't work with that, and apparently not even the author knows if he will be able to get around the changes.
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The first build of Pie works without DRM fix, so grab a copy of 47.2.A.0.306 while you can via Xperiafirm.
Seems like Sony forgot to include DRM check in the first build, but the 3 builds since then give you green camera on unlocked bootloader.

Try Aquos R2 Compact from Sharp, provided that you know where to buy it (￣∇￣), which I don't.

Unfortunately, i am searching for the same answer.
In my case i have been swinging between Xperia compact phones and Galaxy S series phones (not the plus ones), although are big for my hand.
As it seems, i read in a article recently that Sony is going to halt production of compact phones.

Xz2 Compact or Pixel 2 ( not XL)

If your looking for a compact Xperia, the SO-05D, Xperia SX is by far the most compact. It's my favorite Xperia, I've owned 2.
The camera of Xz1c is terrible. It doesnt seem to be the software, it's the lens, the lens on my unit is not properly clear, it's like foggy, no matter how much I try to polish it. The images are mushy with dull colors. My full sized Xz1 takes great pics (I have both phones). I owned 4 different z series phones since 2013, Xz1 is the worst cam for me. I think iPhone 5c is compact and great camera. Z5c also great.

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The images are mushy with dull colors. My full sized Xz1 takes great pics (I have both phones).
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Strange. The back cameras are supposed to be identical, lens too. Numerous reviews also claim identical photo quality. Maybe it's a physical defect on your specific xz1c unit.
This being said, while the cam is very average, it is hardly poor. It runs circles around the Z5c and Xc cameras, though it's definitely inferior to the xz2c.

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This being said, while the cam is very average, it is hardly poor. It runs circles around the Z5c and Xc cameras, though it's definitely inferior to the xz2c.
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I think the main problem with the camera is lack of OIS and too much processing and noise reduction which makes the pictures lose detail.
I wonder what they made different with xz2 as the image sensor should be identical to xz1/c...

landsome said:
Strange. The back cameras are supposed to be identical, lens too. Numerous reviews also claim identical photo quality. Maybe it's a physical defect on your specific xz1c unit.
This being said, while the cam is very average, it is hardly poor. It runs circles around the Z5c and Xc cameras, though it's definitely inferior to the xz2c.
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Maybe some of the camera parts are the same. I agree with u, many reviews simply said 'both xz1 and xz1c camera are the same'. But just looking at the phones - the lens are totally different physical design, in size, shape, and lens material. The XZ1 lens is harder and clearer, feels more like glass. The xz1c feels like it is plastic. Taping on the lens feels and sounds very different.
We'll have the agree to disagree about the z5c camera vs the xz1c. The Xc i didnt own (because its lower cpu), so i cant comment on its camera performance. In house I also have a normal size z5, which has an exceptional camera.
Let me clarify what I mean when I say a camera is good or bad. I mean that, in full daylight, taking a park or street scene - the image is razor sharp. In my experience, Z5, Z5c, Xz1 all take these razor sharp images. Xz1c, mush...

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I wonder what they made different with xz2 as the image sensor should be identical to xz1/c...
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I have both phones. The xz1c has, in my view, a problem with exposure in daylight. Tpo much light. And it processes images in an unbalanced way, reducing noise AND detail too much if you pixel peep (the same problem that the z5c and Xc also have, too a larger extent in my view). The xz2c is better on both counts, and on low light as well. Otherwise, both have excellent color rendition.
I also have an OG pixel, which is still plenty fast, has great camera (very, very reliable) and in my view is better in hand than the Pixel 2. Still, battery is mediocre and, most importantly, it is too big. Nothing beats the xz1c in this respect.

With the XZ2c bumping up to a 5" screen, there's not a true Sony compact anymore. So now you have a lot more options - and a lot of great cameras - in the 5" - 5.5" screen range. Just compare battery life, waterproofing, or whatever matters to you most. Now that I can't get a great <5" phone, I'm looking at the Pixel 2, Oneplus 3, and the Fairphone 2. At least I can finally get OIS
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.ph...ected&sOSes=2&sOSversions=2900,2810,2800,2710