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Like the Title says. could someone tell me the difference between those two.
What i want to know is the battery life between those two, wich one is better.
what if ound whas only that Li-Po is newer. but nothing exactly that could tell me the difference.
the xperia comes with a Li-Po battery and the most HTC Phones come with Li-Ion.
hope someone could help me
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Wikipedia is your friend.
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I looked there they throw a lot of expensive words that i don't understand all
my question is more like what's better not how they work or how they have been made.
will it differ in battery life if i replace Li-Po 1500mAh with Li-Ion 1500mAh.
1500mAh == 1500 mili amp hours
thats a way to measure how many hours the batt
can provide 1.5 amps
so yes
Li-Po 1500mAh == Li-Ion 1500mAh
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1500mAh == 1500 mili amp hours
thats a way to measure how many hours the batt
can provide 1.5 amps
so yes
Li-Po 1500mAh == Li-Ion 1500mAh
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I don't quite get your explanation, 1.5 amps?!? I think you have to measure power consumption in MILI amps and then divide 1500 by this value to find out how long the battery is gonna last... Right?
And about the difference between Li-Po and Li-Ion, Li-Po is more advanced technology and maintains the capacity better than Li-Ion, that is to say your battery lifetime will not shorten (as quickly) over time.
What i get from you Firefall is that when i'm using a Li-Po battery for a long time it wouldnt loose performence as fast as Li-Ion. I noticed that a Li-Ion battery looses performence after a while. had it with al my phones
"I don't quite get your explanation, 1.5 amps?!? I think you have to measure power consumption in MILI amps and then divide 1500 by this value to find out how long the battery is gonna last... Right?"
my explanation means that it can provide 1.5amps for that period of time
if your device only draw ½ that then of cause it will be able to provide that for 2 times
the hours
this been around since old school AA and AAA batteries
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What i get from you Firefall is that when i'm using a Li-Po battery for a long time it wouldnt loose performence as fast as Li-Ion. I noticed that a Li-Ion battery looses performence after a while. had it with al my phones
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You got it right.
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my explanation means that it can provide 1.5amps for that period of time
if your device only draw ½ that then of cause it will be able to provide that for 2 times
the hours
this been around since old school AA and AAA batteries
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For WHICH period of time??? 1500 hours? You think your Xperia battery is gonna supply you with 1.5 AMPS for ****ing TWO MONTHS without interruption? I don't think so... You know, power consumption goes up to a maximum of maybe 50 MILI amp, if you turn Wifi on and stream a video. That's 0.05 amp. Thus your battery would have to last for almost two years with one charge if you're watching videos all the time. Standby for, umm, maybe a decade?! You wouldn't need a charger for your phone That's why I'm asking you to clarify this.
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You got it right.
For WHICH period of time??? 1500 hours? You think your Xperia battery is gonna supply you with 1.5 AMPS for ****ing TWO MONTHS without interruption? I don't think so... You know, power consumption goes up to a maximum of maybe 50 MILI amp, if you turn Wifi on and stream a video. That's 0.05 amp. Thus your battery would have to last for almost two years with one charge if you're watching videos all the time. Standby for, umm, maybe a decade?! You wouldn't need a charger for your phone That's why I'm asking you to clarify this.
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1500 mAh means it can supply 1.5 amps of power for 1 hour. Obviously the xperia is not going to draw 1.5 amps of power.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.75 Amps of power for about 2 hours.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.15 Amps of power for about 10 hours.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.03 Amps of power for about 50 hours.
I am pretty sure that is right although the xpeia doesnt even draw 0.02 amps in stand-by mode.
Also i head that Li-Po is special because it can be made in any shape form or thickness or something like that but may need conformation on that
what he said
apart from 0.3->0.03
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what he said
apart from 0.3->0.03
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oh ye - thanks lol
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1500 mAh means it can supply 1.5 amps of power for 1 hour. Obviously the xperia is not going to draw 1.5 amps of power.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.75 Amps of power for about 2 hours.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.15 Amps of power for about 10 hours.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.03 Amps of power for about 50 hours.
I am pretty sure that is right although the xpeia doesnt even draw 0.02 amps in stand-by mode.
Also i head that Li-Po is special because it can be made in any shape form or thickness or something like that but may need conformation on that
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Okay now I got it. We meant the same thing, but I couldn't follow your first articulation
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1500 mAh means it can supply 1.5 amps of power for 1 hour. Obviously the xperia is not going to draw 1.5 amps of power.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.75 Amps of power for about 2 hours.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.15 Amps of power for about 10 hours.
1500 would also mean you could supply 0.03 Amps of power for about 50 hours.
I am pretty sure that is right although the xpeia doesnt even draw 0.02 amps in stand-by mode.
Also i head that Li-Po is special because it can be made in any shape form or thickness or something like that but may need conformation on that
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I Found this thread of yours http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=510754 i read it long time ago. will this change with the new rom R3A or with wm6.5??
"Also i head that Li-Po is special because it can be made in any shape form or thickness or something like that but may need conformation on that"
I read that somewhere also, very neat.
and thnx everyone i now understand the battery consummation of xperia
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I Found this thread of yours http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=510754 i read it long time ago. will this change with the new rom R3A or with wm6.5??
"Also i head that Li-Po is special because it can be made in any shape form or thickness or something like that but may need conformation on that"
I read that somewhere also, very neat.
and thnx everyone i now understand the battery consummation of xperia
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Im not too sure - was told it wasnt very accurate anyway but it probbably wouldnt change very significantly if at all
Ok thnx for your help. i'm much smarter now
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Ok thnx for your help. i'm much smarter now
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And knowledge is power!!
as I understand, the most significant difference between li-pol and li-on is that li-pols are squishable, and you can make your lithium polymer battery to quite literally and shape and size, and thus fit it into all the little crevices, making the battery larger and higher capacity, whereas li-ons are more rigid and you can't do that with.
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as I understand, the most significant difference between li-pol and li-on is that li-pols are squishable, and you can make your lithium polymer battery to quite literally and shape and size, and thus fit it into all the little crevices, making the battery larger and higher capacity, whereas li-ons are more rigid and you can't do that with.
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Sweet - thanks for conformation
OK I am starting to freak out. I am afraid my battery is going to charge itself to past it's capacity, and blow up or something.
I exported the OSMonitor log, and it's a .html file. So open it with your web browser or notepad or something.
This is the small log I have, but look how much it says it has charged the battery to..
http://upit.cc/files/10536196.html
For now I am going to keep it uncharged and let it drain.
I wouldnt worry too mucn unless it goes much above 4200mV
Well your voltage readings are perfect, but the capacity is pretty high. I bet you have the 1600 mah battery which is the same size as stock battery physically, so you might not tell the difference. Did you buy the phone brand new?
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Well your voltage readings are perfect, but the capacity is pretty high. I bet you have the 1600 mah battery which is the same size as stock battery physically, so you might not tell the difference. Did you buy the phone brand new?
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Yeah I got it brand new. I thought the batteries were 1400mAh?
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Yeah I got it brand new. I thought the batteries were 1400mAh?
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Yep, 1400mAh. Lithium's are fully charged at 4.2V, if it's saying it's charging more "power" than that, you might just need to calibrate the system. I think Google has "official" documentation on this, otherwise I've seen it here. Something like charge it all the way to green, turn off phone, re-plug the charge, leave it for several hours.
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Yep, 1400mAh. Lithium's are fully charged at 4.2V, if it's saying it's charging more "power" than that, you might just need to calibrate the system. I think Google has "official" documentation on this, otherwise I've seen it here. Something like charge it all the way to green, turn off phone, re-plug the charge, leave it for several hours.
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I actually recently "calibrated" it that way, and it worked perfectly. I don't think it could become uncalibrated.
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Yeah I got it brand new. I thought the batteries were 1400mAh?
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The stock batteries are 1400, but I was implying that you got the 1600 one based on those readings. Are you sure you didn't somehow get the 1600 one? I don't think this is a calibration issue. The OS is hard coded with basic mah numbers that cannot be changed no matter what, even if you delete the battery stats file.
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Do the following at you're own risk.Even though it works for me and there is no logical reason it wouldn't work for you.
My wife got a new L7 couple of Weeks back and i have been paying with it every now and again.
As the battery on the OB is experiencing bad drain lately i thought to look for replacement. Tried other battery with no luck and than last night thought what the hell i will try the L7's battery.
Hell yeah ! Fits nicely ( but the OB battery had to be filled a bit to fit in the L7 , just in the right corner about 1mm on 1mm).
Now to the nice part. As it is a new battery the self drain is gone.
And it is 1700mAh
Although i will have to return it to my wife as she is gonna be in a shock as her phone is gonna be dead before tonight The big question for me is is the L9 battery the same size and would it fit as well .
I forgot to mention with the original battery the current drain is about 1% every 2 minutes .
But this is due to me using the phone a LOT. At least one and often two charges a day for year and a half so long gone the 300 charges which are supposed to retain 90% of the original charge.
can you take a picture of your p970 backcover battery?
Here goes the pics, sorry about the delay.
P.s. Pics are from the old trusty s8500 aka wave. L7 camera is crap
So L7 battery is 3.8 volt our p970 battery is 3.7 volt.Cant it be any damage on main board?
Wouldn't think so. As both mobiles work fine with swapped batteries
And during charging voltage is way higher anyway. Remember 5 volt charger
That's a nice find! Good job! Might buy a genuine L7 battery...
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My wife got a new L7 couple of Weeks back and i have been paying with it every now and again.
As the battery on the OB is experiencing bad drain lately i thought to look for replacement. Tried other battery with no luck and than last night thought what the hell i will try the L7's battery.
Hell yeah ! Fits nicely ( but the OB battery had to be filled a bit to fit in the L7 , just in the right corner about 1mm on 1mm).
Now to the nice part. As it is a new battery the self drain is gone.
And it is 1700mAh
Although i will have to return it to my wife as she is gonna be in a shock as her phone is gonna be dead before tonight The big question for me is is the L9 battery the same size and would it fit as well .
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Nice info, thank you!
I am glad to share
But as for the L9 looks like different shape and contacts positions
Thanks gor info:thumbup:
sorry for my bad English
So is it safe despite the voltage difference?
So far so good. One day use and it is great. 4 hours + screen time compared to 2.5 (again worth repeating my original battery is degraded)
I even find data connection working better, but that might as well be fruit of my imagination.
Best part is my wife hasn't caught up yet .
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So L7 battery is 3.8 volt our p970 battery is 3.7 volt.Cant it be any damage on main board?
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Yes. Don't use it. Just because something fits doesn't means it is supposed to work. For instance I am pretty sure if I try I can fit my phone in my mouth. Is that good? NO!
You won't notice it short term but long term it will bite you and Lg can refuse warranty if it's damaged due to incorrect use.
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Yes. Don't use it. Just because something fits doesn't means it is supposed to work. For instance I am pretty sure if I try I can fit my phone in my mouth. Is that good? NO!
You won't notice it short term but long term it will bite you and Lg can refuse warranty if it's damaged due to incorrect use.
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super correct , if this was the deal lg simply would have included it at least in the models of today , but the main board will suffer on long terms of use :good:
Actually my neighbour is using razor xxx batery in his phone and that's half volt higher than his original battery.
The problem for the main board is not the voltage itself but the incoherent amperage and power consistence, and this battery is lg made so complies to their standard.
Again remember that the phone runs ok on charger which happens to be 4.8 volts without battery inserted.
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Actually my neighbour is using razor xxx batery in his phone and that's half volt higher than his original battery.
The problem for the main board is not the voltage itself but the incoherent amperage and power consistence, and this battery is lg made so complies to their standard.
Again remember that the phone runs ok on charger without battery inserted.
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Of course it's not the voltage itself, but the increased voltage causes increase current and that increases heat output and that does damage your phone.
Try this yourself.
Create a two circuits with a two identical light bulbs. Use a battery one battery that is 1.5 Volts and use another thats 3 Volts. Which do you think will burn out quicker?
And the fact that it's 1700mAh doesn't necessarily mean it gives longer battery life it might just mean that it has a higher current output.
You can use that battery if you want. I wouldn't.
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Of course it's not the voltage itself, but the increased voltage causes increase current and that increases heat output and that does damage your phone.
Try this yourself.
Create a two circuits with a two identical light bulbs. Use a battery one battery that is 1.5 Volts and use another thats 3 Volts. Which do you think will burn out quicker?
And the fact that it's 1700mAh doesn't necessarily mean it gives longer battery life it might just mean that it has a higher current output.
You can use that battery if you want. I wouldn't.
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It's 0.1v of diference, I don't think that could break the phone or something.
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It's 0.1v of diference, I don't think that could break the phone or something.
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The heat output of the CPU is directly proportional to Voltage squared and since the change in temperature is equal to the Heat Ouput minus Heat Disipation the result will be a lot hotter than you think. The hotter it runs the higher the resistance in the circuits the more power you have to us to keep it running stable. Can you see why even a small difference in voltage makes a big difference.
Hello.
With Current Widget I measured voltage during charging... In 100% it is over 4.35V what is, I think overcharged, because Li-po or Li-ion have max voltage 4.2V per cell. I have rooted phone, but stock ROM and stock kernel. Can rooted firmware change charge specs. or this is way how SONY damaging their batteries so people have to buy every year/two new phone or new battery?
Thanks for answers.
It's 0.15V of difference, it do not hurts or anything. Sony do not plan to ruin your phone. You are just paranoid on Stock Rom...LOL...
I'm working with Li-po batteries in RC planes and I can tell you, that 0.15V overcharged can significantly decrease life of your battery. But it is easy way how to increase capacity of battery, but it is very bad way.
So, those limits are controlled by Kernel, yes?? And when I flashed different FW to root my phone, it didn't changed kernel, so I probably has stock kernel?? Thats the main question for me, because with previous experiences I rather stay at stock kernel and stock ROM before flashing anything custom.
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I'm working with Li-po batteries in RC planes and I can tell you, that 0.15V overcharged can significantly decrease life of your battery. But it is easy way how to increase capacity of battery, but it is very bad way.
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Ok, also you should know that the test where you get from that 0.15V can be non Right.
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So, those limits are controlled by Kernel, yes??
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Don't know.
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And when I flashed different FW to root my phone, it didn't changed kernel, so I probably has stock kernel??
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Yes.
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Thats the main question for me, because with previous experiences I rather stay at stock kernel and stock ROM before flashing anything custom.
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You can stay on Stock Rom and flash a Custom Kernel, for that you have to Unlock Your Bootloader, and play with the settings or anything to undervolt the charging, but I think is not that simple.
On more than one occasion I've seen you post and give horrible information, in most cases, very wrong because you don't know any better. If you don't know something, DON'T COMMENT ON IT.
0.15V is a big difference when it comes to batteries as small as ours. In a car battery, sure, 0.15V isn't that big of a deal, it's less than 0.01% of a difference, something that can naturally occur with impurities in the lead/acid components, magnetic shift or hitting a speed bump too fast. However, on a battery the size that's in our phones? That's a 3% difference. 3% variance is MASSIVE in relative sizes.
I'm not saying don't help anyone, but don't fake answers in hopes someone clicks your thanks button.
On topic:
In the past, have you flashed a 3rd party kernel at any time, for fun or testing, or for daily driver use? (Even if you're stock now)
How are you plugging the device in - USB port on a computer? USB port on the side of a surge protector? If it's a computer port, is it USB 2 or 3?
Are you using the stock charging block and stock cable that came with the phone? A 3rd party solution like Belkin, etc.?
If you have access to one, plug into a car cigarette lighter, either Sony or 3rd party, do you see a change in the overcharge values? What about a magnetic charging cable?
Have you opened up the phone and tinkered with anything?
Just going out on a limb here but have you checked the app is actually accurate!!
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Hello.
With Current Widget I measured voltage during charging... In 100% it is over 4.35V what is, I think overcharged, because Li-po or Li-ion have max voltage 4.2V per cell. I have rooted phone, but stock ROM and stock kernel. Can rooted firmware change charge specs. or this is way how SONY damaging their batteries so people have to buy every year/two new phone or new battery?
Thanks for answers.
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The only way you're going to be sure if that voltage is accurate is if you use a multi meter, apps only read what the phone reads and outputs, which isn't always accurate, try getting CPUZ HW monitor for your computer and check your 12V rail, you'll find that it's nowhere near accurate whereas other apps will give an accurate reading, with this being the case there is no way of knowing which one is accurate and which one isn't, a multi meter is the only way. But in all fairness you're probably going to be using your phone for around 2 years so with that in mind does it really matter?
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The only way you're going to be sure if that voltage is accurate is if you use a multi meter, apps only read what the phone reads and outputs, which isn't always accurate, try getting CPUZ HW monitor for your computer and check your 12V rail, you'll find that it's nowhere near accurate whereas other apps will give an accurate reading, with this being the case there is no way of knowing which one is accurate and which one isn't, a multi meter is the only way. But in all fairness you're probably going to be using your phone for around 2 years so with that in mind does it really matter?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Lol you are most welcome sir
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On more than one occasion I've seen you post and give horrible information, in most cases, very wrong because you don't know any better. If you don't know something, DON'T COMMENT ON IT.
0.15V is a big difference when it comes to batteries as small as ours. In a car battery, sure, 0.15V isn't that big of a deal, it's less than 0.01% of a difference, something that can naturally occur with impurities in the lead/acid components, magnetic shift or hitting a speed bump too fast. However, on a battery the size that's in our phones? That's a 3% difference. 3% variance is MASSIVE in relative sizes.
I'm not saying don't help anyone, but don't fake answers in hopes someone clicks your thanks button.
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Take it easy dude, on more than one occasion i've seen him give perfect advice and to keep things real i've seen mods and elite developers make bad decisions and give bad advice out because they simply thought they knew, give him a break eh! Theres ways of saying things to people if you have a problem, like not doing it publicly, if you voice your concerns properly then no harm no foul, personally if you'd have just said that to me i'd be annoyed.
Just a heads up.
And as i've already said about the voltage offsets which have been talked about, in all fairness it's a negligent difference and won't matter in the overall scheme of things.
I recently bought an 80w charger (probably a copy). And in ampere app it shows around 2900 mA, I attached a picture. Is this expected amount from from and 80w charger. If not then kindly tell what is expected amount and if there is any harm in continue charging phone with this charger.
To reliably test a charger, dial *#899#, go into manual test, device debugging, then charge test, then super vooc.
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To reliably test a charger, dial *#899#, go into manual test, device debugging, then charge test, then super vooc.
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Test result= Pass
I forgot to mention, it helps to have your phone down to a 40% or so charge, the charge speed slows down the fuller your battery is.
Bare in mind the temperature will make voltage and allowed amperage vary greatly.
When it hits 38c it'll drop in amps, then it'll drop again at 39 and 40 and so on, meaning that the proposed 5000MAh allowed charge will not happen, I've seen it as low as 1900MAh.
I haven't witnessed the change in voltage but it'd make sense for it to follow suit.
Your charging looks ok in face value.
Can you share your voltage&s
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Can you share your voltage&s
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5110MAh
4.096v
That's if it's below 38c
So I tested it at 34° temperature & it didn't went above 3000 mA so probably its charger limitation as its a copy.
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So I tested it at 34° temperature & it didn't went above 3000 mA so probably its charger limitation as its a copy.
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Where is your charger from? UK/EU or global? US plug?
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Where is your charger from? UK/EU or global? US plug?
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Idk its a copy but I inserted a picture
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Idk its a copy but I inserted a picture
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Is that American? I dunno. Does it say 80watts on the side of the unit?
Heres mine
If it's a copy and not original then yea I highly doubt it'll do what an original can.
Heres mine.. tends to change with temp , battery level.
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Heres mine.. tends to change with temp , battery level.
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I tried another app accu battery in its setting was "dual cell battery mode" I googled and found that oneplus 10 pro uses dual cell so i toggled the option on. Now this is the result I am getting.
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I tried another app accu battery in its setting was "dual cell battery mode" I googled and found that oneplus 10 pro uses dual cell so i toggled the option on. Now this is the result I am getting. Btw which app you used?
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Yea so that says 20w my charger is 80w.
There's the difference.
I'm so glad I found this thread. Enabled the setting on Accubattery and my charge speeds jumped. This makes sense because it was reporting very low speed for me, but the percentage was climbing at a quick pace.
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I recently bought an 80w charger (probably a copy). And in ampere app it shows around 2900 mA, I attached a picture. Is this expected amount from from and 80w charger. If not then kindly tell what is expected amount and if there is any harm in continue charging phone with this charger.
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This is perfectly fine. You are charging a 5 A battery with 3 A.
Up to 1C, so 5 A is safe. Things like max charging voltage and temp are hardcoded in kernel which you can't simply bypass with a more powerful charger.
PS: the thread title should be edited to: "Charging Current"
ace2nutzer said:
This is perfectly fine. You are charging a 5 A battery with 3 A.
Up to 1C, so 5 A is safe. Things like max charging voltage and temp are hardcoded in kernel which you can't simply bypass with a more powerful charger.
PS: the thread title should be edited to: "Charging Current"
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In my opinion my charger cant deliver more 2900mA and the avg mA is 2640. In post #13 @dldaz is getting 5821 at 39°C. Which is more then twice. I am looking for a genuine or at least a good quality 80w charger will share current/voltage after results.
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In my opinion my charger cant deliver more 2900mA and the avg mA is 2640. In post #13 @dldaz is getting 5821 at 39°C. Which is more then twice. I am looking for a genuine or at least a good quality 80w charger will share current/voltage after results.
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According to the specs it should be possible to charge with 5 A as well.
Because your charger have the same specs as the one which is getting over 5 A. But the question is if you both are using the same phone with the same kernel. Or other possible reason is that fast charging is disabled in Android settings.
Usually OEMs don't allow to charge with 1C. But you can get 1C with a custom kernel, if it has support for charger control.
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In my opinion my charger cant deliver more 2900mA and the avg mA is 2640. In post #13 @dldaz is getting 5821 at 39°C. Which is more then twice. I am looking for a genuine or at least a good quality 80w charger will share current/voltage after results.
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I bought my direct from OnePlus, wasn't cheap but it works so well.