Not even single Custom Rom is ported yet, everyone is flashing Android One Firmware or the stock! ?
I think the A/B partition scheme is slowing down development. If I am not mistaken, several other phones with A/B partitions also have slow development. On top of that, I think our phone is an odd hybrid that has A/B partitions, but will not get Project Treble, so we are stuck in the middle between the two targets.
There is a working TWRP recovery, so that does count for something. I have, as well as several others, been trying to get a bootable device tree for LineageOS, although it is slow going and we all have IRL commitments.
I'm willing to make donations to the custom rom developer. Especially if it is possible to remove the lock from installing sd card as internal memory.
I dont really care about custom roms or new android versions.
I'd just want to be able to install android security updates when motorola no longer supports it..
but that's quite hard if you dont Know a thing about programming i think?
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There is a lot of development if we take into account the Oneplus 3T and the 3, but for some reason the possibility of having multiple roms seems to not have taken off.
Now here comes the question, seeing that multirom is not working as it should (you have to edit manually files, there is no possibility of having OOS as secondary, etc), and dual boot patcher not only not having a dedicated thread for our phones, but it doesn't even has too much info anywhere (does it even works?), what do you guys use?
What are your opinions on the subject?
After I got burned by multirom bugs on 3t (I lost everything twice with all efforts to reinstall) I was waiting it to be stable and hoping to move on it as soon as possible...
For me multirom is a must. Seems that next we should go Nexus if we really want it.
I just keep backups of my roms and wipe and restore when I want a different one. It's more reliable than multirom was even though it takes a bit of time.
Hi guys, I have an SM-N960F dual sim exynos Note 9 and i have recently discovered this whole other element of ROM flashing known as project treble ROMs. I tried to flash a few different ones and i could only get one to work and the rest all just either bootlooped or stayed on the initial splashscreen. I was wondering if anybody could shed some light on them a bit for me and perhaps knew exactly the best way to flash them, and what firmware is best to start on beforehand etc? I found the whole thing EXTREMELY confusing especially with venfor images and kernel images etc...
Thank you for any input/help!
We can't really use the term Project Treble when talking about Samsung phones. Technically it is implemented, but Samsung being Samsung, it's quite a non-standard implementation and not really compatible with anything else.
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We can't really use the term Project Treble when talking about Samsung phones. Technically it is implemented, but Samsung being Samsung, it's quite a non-standard implementation and not really compatible with anything else.
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Ive flashed a few of them onto my phone but it seems to be a bit of hit and miss as to whether they boot up or not. The ones that do have been good in terms of the size and speed etc, I even flashed a generic copy of OneUI which worked well.
I am on Pie base using the Dr.Ketan rom, so I tried a few GSIs which are supposed to be compatible with Pie base. I took them from here.
The way I flash them is:
1. Factory reset from TWRP
2. Flash the GSI as system image
3. Flash stock kernel otherwise you will be stuck on boot logo or you will get into bootloop. To flash the stock kernel I just use Dr.Ketan's rom, because the UI upon flashing allows you to choose and flash stock kernel and skip everything else.
(They mention that we should flash Permissiver also, but it gives error so I can't flash it)
So those GSIs boot up, but they are barely usable. The "System is finishing update" and "System setup will start soon" are stuck for me and never finish. Also for example in the PixelExperience9 from this collection I was not even able to add my Google account because of the system auto-closing almost all system apps that I try to open.
It might be that these things should be done in a different way, but this is my experience for now. So..... back to Dr.Ketan ROM. I was really hoping to get the MIUI GSI as daily, but it seems impossible to me.
EDIT: Lol I realised we are the same people talking on the other thread also, so you gave me the link to the treble collection.
Is this possible, Dual booting stock + custom rom?
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Possibly. Android 10 gives dual booting functionality natively, as a way to give developers an easy way to test things on their phones within a clean sandboxed environment. So this could become an easy possibility. I suppose it depends how Android 10 ROMs are delivered to existing phones.
It could be how treble was introduced. New phones that came with 8 as new had to follow treble file system partitioning schemes, but older phones that upgraded to 8 didn't have to be treble compliant.
Android 10 sets out another new partitioning and file system scheme to enable the dual booting functionality.
I haven't looked into this so don't know the answer, but maybe it will be new phones that launch with 10 that can do this and old phones will be up to the manufacturer to decide if they adopt the new file system scheme when upgrading to 10.
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Possibly. Android 10 gives dual booting functionality natively, as a way to give developers an easy way to test things on their phones within a clean sandboxed environment. So this could become an easy possibility. I suppose it depends how Android 10 ROMs are delivered to existing phones.
It could be how treble was introduced. New phones that came with 8 as new had to follow treble file system partitioning schemes, but older phones that upgraded to 8 didn't have to be treble compliant.
Android 10 sets out another new partitioning and file system scheme to enable the dual booting functionality.
I haven't looked into this so don't know the answer, but maybe it will be new phones that launch with 10 that can do this and old phones will be up to the manufacturer to decide if they adopt the new file system scheme when upgrading to 10.
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So anything yet?
How can I make dual boot?
I initially heard about the possibility here.
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-dynamic-android-aosp-gsi/
I remember, not long after, seeing discussions that this could be a potential way to allow dual booting for all. However this seems to have disappeared without a trace as I can't find anything relating to this in any later Android Q/10 announcements.
Even OnePlus 7 & 7 Pro got official recovery for dual booting...
Any progress on this? Couldn't find anything on Multirom either
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Any progress on this? Couldn't find anything on Multirom either
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Unfortunately, not yet...
Isn't an a/b system required for dual booting? For example I remember it being possible on pixels because they have 2 partitions
IoIam said:
Isn't an a/b system required for dual booting? For example I remember it being possible on pixels because they have 2 partitions
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Nope...
I remember it worked on my redmi note 4, which it has not an A/B based system...
I hope its coming soon
It was working perfectly in my old phone (poco f1)
It's nice to have stock and custom
So it seems TWRP might be an issue getting it on our Pixel 4's.
According to @Dees_Troy, its a problem. Seems they don't even have one for the Pixel 3 on Android 10.
@Dees_Troy
"Pixel 4 is in real danger of not getting TWRP for a while after it's released due to all of the changes made in how recovery works in Android 10."
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dees_Troy/status/1171151359564890113
We'll see, fortunately we know we have a working magisk and that actually takes care of everything I do although I miss the convenience of TWRP, no question. The guy seems to work miracles so I wouldn't be surprised to see him figure it out. If not, I suppose I can only be thankful for everything he's done for us already and wish him luck in his next endeavor. I gotta be honest here, way back on windows phone I was surprised the door wasn't being closed on all this stuff. When Android came along it was like the wild west and I thought there was no way it could go on. Now we're here and iin many respects still having our way with our phone. It's been a pretty good ride.
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We'll see, fortunately we know we have a working magisk and that actually takes care of everything I do although I miss the convenience of TWRP, no question. The guy seems to work miracles so I wouldn't be surprised to see him figure it out. If not, I suppose I can only be thankful for everything he's done for us already and wish him luck in his next endeavor. I gotta be honest here, way back on windows phone I was surprised the door wasn't being closed on all this stuff. When Android came along it was like the wild west and I thought there was no way it could go on. Now we're here and iin many respects still having our way with our phone. It's been a pretty good ride.
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Yea, hopefully I pray he'll figure it out for sure.
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So it seems TWRP might be an issue getting it on our Pixel 4's.
According to @Dees_Troy, its a problem. Seems they don't even have one for the Pixel 3 on Android 10.
@Dees_Troy
"Pixel 4 is in real danger of not getting TWRP for a while after it's released due to all of the changes made in how recovery works in Android 10."
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dees_Troy/status/1171151359564890113
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He will get it there is always a way
Damm that's not good.
Personally, I don't need recovery. My first pixel device and the last thing I want to do is flash some half baked custom ROM for it. Everything I need can be flashed through magisk or EXKM. As long as I can root, I'm good
I'll leave @Dees_Troy's full statement - dated 23rd October 2019 - given on the official TWRP website here as well:
Please note that this post is primary related to TWRP and the Pixel 3 and 4 and devices that may ship in the future that ship with Android 10 as their original version of Android. Older non-Pixel devices that shipped with older versions of Android and receive upgrades to Android 10 are not affected.
Long story short, TWRP support for Android 10 is going to take a while.
Android 10 brings about the largest changes to the way AOSP implements recovery since Google shifted recovery from C to C++ when they moved from Android 4.0 to 4.1 more than 7 years ago. A lot of components in AOSP recovery were moved into subfolders, which makes merging the latest changes into TWRP more time consuming. At least on the Pixel 3, the ramdisk that we use for recovery is now handling part of normal boot in addition to recovery, so we're not sure what the best way will be to go about replacing recovery without affecting the ability to boot up normally. In addition, the way Google is building the ramdisk on the Pixel 3 is a lot different than the past. In the past, the executable binaries in the ramdisk were built as static binaries with no linked libraries. TWRP has almost always been built with separate linked libraries. The new dynamically linked stock ramdisk will make it harder for us to slip TWRP into the ramdisk.
Once we get TWRP compiling with the new changes from 10, we have some additional items that need consideration. As mentioned above, the stock ramdisk is using dynamic linking. Unlike TWRP, the stock ramdisk places the executables and libraries in the usual locations inside a /system folder. Normally TWRP leaves /system alone so that we can mount the system partition to its usual location of /system. If we leave things the way they are on the Pixel 3, mounting the system partition gets tricky. A lot of custom zips depend on mounting the system partition to /system.
Android 10 also introduces a new dynamic partitioning system. Instead of having a dedicated system partition and a dedicated vendor partition, etc. Android 10 uses a super partition. I like to think of the super partition as a partition that contains a bunch of smaller partitions. One of the side effects of this dynamic partition system is that Google has chosen to use a form of the ext4 file system that is for all intents and purposes, read-only. This choice means that even if you wanted to, you can't easily mount and modify the system partition. We haven't really discussed this with other developers yet, but it may impact your ability to do things like install Gapps. In addition, the dynamic partition model means that eventually, we should probably provide you, the user, some GUI driven tools in TWRP to allow you to manage the dynamic partitions that are on the super partition.
On top of all of the above, I, Dees_Troy, am the one who usually handles merges of new versions of Android. My wife is currently pregnant with our fourth child. I am quite busy with my growing family and the need to find a bigger house, so my time for working on TWRP right now is somewhat limited. So, I guess please be patient, or feel free to download the TWRP source code and make the needed changes yourself.
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Source: twrp.me
My guess is: we got to get familiar with manually patching boot images regarding Magisk, and maybe with flashin ROMs shipping as a GSI (Generic System Image). First time I made such an assumption was, when the first GSIs startet popping up in the respective section here on XDA, and I still guess that this is the way to go for future modding.
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I'll leave @Dees_Troy's full statement - dated 23rd October 2019 - given on the official TWRP website here as well:
Source: twrp.me
My guess is: we got to get familiar with manually patching boot images regarding Magisk, and maybe with flashin ROMs shipping as a GSI (Generic System Image). First time I made such an assumption was, when the first GSIs startet popping up in the respective section here on XDA, and I still guess that this is the way to go for future modding.
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This has been known since before we even got our devices in hand, statement has been shared long ago... When it was new.
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This has been known since before we even got our devices in hand, statement has been shared long ago... When it was new.
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Yes, I know. But I saw yet another thread about TWRP for Pixel on Android 10 popping up, which implies that this thread, as well as this information still isn't widely spread/known as of yet. Just wanted to prevent further TWRP threads popping up on Pixel 4 forums.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Yes, I know. But I saw yet another thread about TWRP for Pixel on Android 10 popping up, which implies that this thread, as well as this information still isn't widely spread/known as of yet. Just wanted to prevent further TWRP threads popping up on Pixel 4 forums.
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You can't prevent the inevitable. There's always going to some users who don't understand how to use Google or XDA search
GOOGLE Pixel 4XL (coral) - QQ1B.200105.004 - Android 10 . My same rig.
Any updates on TWRP?
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GOOGLE Pixel 4XL (coral) - QQ1B.200105.004 - Android 10 . My same rig.
Any updates on TWRP?
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No
Can you boot (not flash) to TWRP on the Pixel 4 XL? The only convenience I'll miss compared to my Pixel 2XL is being able to boot to TWRP and flash Magisk if so...
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Can you boot (not flash) to TWRP on the Pixel 4 XL? The only convenience I'll miss compared to my Pixel 2XL is being able to boot to TWRP and flash Magisk if so...
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No, it's got to do with the dynamic partitions and mounting /system. From what I've read, even if you booted twrp it would no be functional.
I can only imagine the effects of this dynamic partition on other useful projects like microG...we have our work cut out for us here. I smell innovation!
hetres the link to my drive OxygenOS12 module-rom-twrp-MEGA-DRIVE
the reserve folder has a way to ensure any finuished oxygenos12 works
If anyone need help let me know
This looks really cool but it's a bit overwhelming. Could you explain how I can, for example, install one custom rom on slot A and oxygen os 12 on slot B?
Can I dual boot two custom roms or is only oxygen os supported?
Will security lock on one rom affect the other rom?
Is the twrp62 fully working and flashable with oxygen os v41?
Could I format data as f2fs for any custom rom too?
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This looks really cool but it's a bit overwhelming. Could you explain how I can, for example, install one custom rom on slot A and oxygen os 12 on slot B?
Can I dual boot two custom roms or is only oxygen os supported?
Will security lock on one rom affect the other rom?
Is the twrp62 fully working and flashable with oxygen os v41?
Could I format data as f2fs for any custom rom too?
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I got OxygenOS so done over I wrote some small flashbles and apps to do the work. I have no way to share a cloud drive with my build.s. youhave to split the userdata with a android OS 11 from orangefoxDualbbot here on xda 1st. You can run Window s if you want on one side and oxygenOS 12. or 11., 10 maybe 9 I dont know. heres pur dualboot OP7 telegram channel Orangfox-Dualboot-channel
I got Oxy12 licked. but like I said you need to cut the drive ewith arecovery in 11 becui;d my build doesent do that. sorry im newbee guy. but mine run busybox, magisk,toybox. lol and it dont car about if you ext4 or f2fs. onething to knwow if you dualboot you cant set a password anfd cant really run encryption on the userdata partiton. nice to meet you bro
Heres another link to my little apps https://mega.nz/file/PvwlFABY#BvFZp-Gp0_3I_DNa3dtXoDmImCq1a4AtJyMMH5izizE
- theres the APP TO put in a folder with a reserve.img from the OS. and be booted into a twrp like mine I share here
https://mega.nz/file/r6IyiZyK#b6x1cv1xh4YV_eFuPbB11viudZQXiFmD9raYxj4Wp54
PS. dont take TWRPs from just anyone I have messed up my lphone just over bad mountsa and stuff.
But I ripp and build stuff and kinds know my phone now. it';s my 3rd OP7PRO loll.
I lost the others tried a OP6 out but it lies so that thing sux. lol
Hey I got video of a 45 secont OTA install from a loaded OS video lol with\music and funny stuff.
more of a direct write no counting so it make it or not . but its a funtion lol
I liked learing OS12 they playing with little drives virtual stuff. that reserve.img is nthe actuall Oxygen12 OS. is links all the guts to everything esle. latley I've been mount it diffent and when it crash and still trys bpoot I just get a standered load of android OEM the probly started with. witch load nothing cusst it just a platform.
pretty much far as 12 for op7pros go, if your phone wont boot into the OS My reserve repatcher here will fix the proble but you know their other stuff to like encription apps modules mounts. but this builds OxygenOS12.