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Hi all. I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I'm thinking about buying the Xperia Z3 Compact. Everything about the phone seems great, but with Sony's bi-annual update cycle, I'm not sure what to do. Is it worth it to wait another 3 or so months for a yet unannounced Z4 compact? Or pull the trigger on this?
Thank you.
I don't think z4 will have great improvements.. I have a z3 compact and its great..
There is no official word about a z4 compact
Go for it man! I doubt you'll ever be half satisfied with this. I've had this since December and i'm only loving it more and more
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Z4 Compact? Z2 Compact has never been released, IMVHO the next compact phone will be Z5C
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There is no official word about a z4 compact
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Yeah, I know. Just trying to think ahead, but at the rate technology is moving, there's no way to keep up. Thank you very much all. I'll make the purchase. Like I said, I've only seen great things about this device.
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Yeah, I know. Just trying to think ahead, but at the rate technology is moving, there's no way to keep up. Thank you very much all. I'll make the purchase. Like I said, I've only seen great things about this device.
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The difference between the Z1 and Z3 compact are pretty minimal tbh
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yea so far there're only rumors and i'm quite happy with the Z3 compact. i think you should go for the Z3 compact if you really like it.
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The difference between the Z1 and Z3 compact are pretty minimal tbh
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i have owned both of the devices. my old Z1 compact was stolen 4 months ago (damn the thief). so i've been using the Z3 compact for 4 months.
honestly the performance does have some difference. you can clearly feel the Z3 compact is more smooth. but if you are not super sensitive then both devices are good.
another thing is the Z1 compact has the metal frame around. it feels much sturdy and real. while Z3 compact has it changed to plastic. it still looks good. but feels a bit differently. however, the Z3 compact has the glass back cover. even though it doesn't feel much difference comparing to the Z1 compact... i can't tell the back cover of Z1 compact is actually plastic.
so all in all.. from Z1c to Z3c it's for sure a progress. but not too much.
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yea so far there're only rumors and i'm quite happy with the Z3 compact. i think you should go for the Z3 compact if you really like it.
i have owned both of the devices. my old Z1 compact was stolen 4 months ago (damn the thief). so i've been using the Z3 compact for 4 months.
honestly the performance does have some difference. you can clearly feel the Z3 compact is more smooth. but if you are not super sensitive then both devices are good.
another thing is the Z1 compact has the metal frame around. it feels much sturdy and real. while Z3 compact has it changed to plastic. it still looks good. but feels a bit differently. however, the Z3 compact has the glass back cover. even though it doesn't feel much difference comparing to the Z1 compact... i can't tell the back cover of Z1 compact is actually plastic.
so all in all.. from Z1c to Z3c it's for sure a progress. but not too much.
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The display is MUCH better on z3c. My brother has a z1c and the colours on z3c are far better
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Furthermore there are different return policies in different countries. Means you can return it in a certain period of time if you dont like it depending on your country and your retail selling policy.
The phone may not shine in every area but it definitely has its strong sides as regards battery, raw power, size , the ability to withstand water and the easy upgradeable storage space with a micro sd. The dedicated camera button i also find a nice addition.
Downsides are the reported awful customer service (also dependant on your reseller, so read the return policies carefully) , the non replaceable battery and the somehow fragile feeling this phone gives. But this can be solved with a case or the choice of a good protection plan. The camera is as good as expected, not outstanding but not terribly bad either. If i want to shoot good photos I would not use a smartphone anyway. Also if you are a heavy multimedia consumer you might want to check out bigger phones. At last the inbuilt flashlight is pretty weak. So if you want to use your phone as a flashlight you might want to look another way also .
The Iphone 5s is really the only contester worth comparing it to, but i would choose android over ios always. If you dont care about this and need the same one handed usability (this ofc also depends on your hand size )then the 5s might be worth a look.
Now with root available with locked BL i would always recommend this phone no matter what. When it runs it runs fast, reliable and efficient and will get you through a day of heavy or 3 days of light/moderate usage. Which is the main and most important point for me.
I own the phone for 4 months now and never ran into a problem which could not be solved. I would not buy a different one.
Went from Galaxy S3 to Z3 Compact. Couldn't have asked for anything better really
Well i took the plunge and bought the Orange Z3 compact, even after reading some of these threads on some of the faults. I have come from a HTC M8, and i must say, this Z3, is one of the best phones i have ever had, the size of the phone is perfect for me, i never liked big phones, they seemed a bit silly for me.
I am still on stock, i haven't rooted the Z3, but i did root all my previous phones, and in all honestly rooting this phone is the last thing on my mind, it is brilliant as it is, lighting fast, and there is more customization, than any previous phone i have had.
And NO i am not a Sony Fanboy, neither am i being paid by Sony, These are my thoughts, i am so glad i did buy this phone, only thing i miss is a decent weather widget.
So all in all , best thing to do is check the phone out for yourself, then only you can make your decision, never let any one make the decision for you.
Can only confirm the above posts - also coming from a S3. I can promise you - even if you don't root the Z3 right away you will not turn on your S3 anymore. The Z3 outperforms the S3 by a landslide and (in my opinion) even the current, bigger and more expensive "flagships" from other companies by some degree.
My only "mistake" was not looking here before buying it, it was an impulse buy mainly because of the form factor and pure specs (SD card a big one, too). Was a bit annoyed because of not being able to root, actually with the Z3 it was the longest time I spent with an unrooted device ever. But: the positives outweighed the negatives and in the end root is finally available, making this device even better than it is with stock firmware. I'm also happy the constant chase for "the best" custom ROM is finally over, can't imagine how I could ever bare the hassle I had with previous phones/tablets. Stock is just fine and the Z3 does what it is supposed to.
As for the other problems mentioned in these forums:
- front/back glass breaking sponteanously: I use a tempered glass screen protector for the display, nothing for the back. the phone sits in a no name TPU case, I only had to put some work to the slot for the magnetic charger. No cracks whatsoever (yet) - and I'm known to be a magnet for disaster...
- flash LED: compared to your S3 you will probably think: "hey, is this thing really on ??"
It really is weak, but then again - if you need a reliable light, get a Maglite with some batteries to spare. This is a phone. In most cases I use a simple app that simply turns the screen on white at full brightness, that's more than enough for my taste.
- being slippery/attracting dirt: yes. Especially the black one if you intend to use it without a case. It's my first phone that rests constantly in a case, otherwise I would be pushing my luck... I would try to get the white or red one if you can't stand smudges when using it without a case.
- speaker quality: well, look at the size... it ain't good, but not too bad either.
- camera: as mentioned before, not brilliant, but not crap too (even with unlocked BL). It's ok for snapshots mostly.
Biggest pros as mentioned: performance, battery life and (after rooting) full use of the SD card combined with small size and a all in all great display. Being "waterproof" is an added bonus - though I would never take it to the shower or otherwise test this - I just hope it survives the occasional heavy rainstorms I get caught in from time to time when out with the dogs.
I did not regret buying it without contract for the full price.
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Schumi 01 said:
i am so glad i did buy this phone, only thing i miss is a decent weather widget.
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Well, OT :
there are millions of weather apps/widgets out there, I always come back to:
- Arcus Weather
- Weather Timeline
- Weather Pro
Currently I'm using weather pro as this is (at least for me for my region of Germany) the most precise one and I got some play store credit for my chromecast so I gave it a try for a year of pro usage. Not disappointed so far !
The other two are pretty solid, too.
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Well, OT :
there are millions of weather apps/widgets out there, I always come back to:
- Arcus Weather
- Weather Timeline
- Weather Pro
Currently I'm using weather pro as this is (at least for me for my region of Germany) the most precise one and I got some play store credit for my chromecast so I gave it a try for a year of pro usage. Not disappointed so far !
The other two are pretty solid, too.
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Thanks will check them out. :good:
Rumors Z4C, it was from a reliable place. Don't remember now, but well see in MWC next month
4.7" screen
3GB ram
Sexier then Z3C, which is sexier then Z1C
Open USB and Jack, still IP68 rated
Qualcomm 810 cat. 9
Quad or Octa core, don't remember.
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3GB ram
Sexier then Z3C, which is sexier then Z1C
Open USB and Jack, still IP68 rated
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Well, that would be an improvement. 3 gigs ?
Never understood why the Z3c can be waterproof whilst relying on flaps when the jack is open... ?
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Rumors Z4C, it was from a reliable place. Don't remember now, but well see in MWC next month
4.7" screen
3GB ram
Sexier then Z3C, which is sexier then Z1C
Open USB and Jack, still IP68 rated
Qualcomm 810 cat. 9
Quad or Octa core, don't remember.
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To be honest, I don't think there'll be a Z4C for quite a while as from what I've heard Sony is planning to change their release schedule, to one highend phone per year. Mainly because that is what certain customers want and that Sonys budget ain't that good right now. Developing a new phone costs a ton of money.
Also, please tell me what that source is as this sounds like fake and unjustified rumors.
Just dropped in for some Thread Cleaning.
Folks, if you don't like a post somebody else has made, and, feel it may violate XDA rules, then just "Report Post" instead of replying to it, and creating multiple posts back and forth that a Mod will have to come in and clean.
Simple enough?
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Sptz said:
Went from Galaxy S3 to Z3 Compact. Couldn't have asked for anything better really
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Same here [emoji106]
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GethPrime said:
To be honest, I don't think there'll be a Z4C for quite a while as from what I've heard Sony is planning to change their release schedule, to one highend phone per year. Mainly because that is what certain customers want and that Sonys budget ain't that good right now. Developing a new phone costs a ton of money.
Also, please tell me what that source is as this sounds like fake and unjustified rumors.
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If these rumors are true, then maybe they will launch their last compact model, before retiring.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/18/sonys-smartphone-surrender-abandoning-the-xperia/
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If these rumors are true, then maybe they will launch their last compact model, before retiring.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/18/sonys-smartphone-surrender-abandoning-the-xperia/
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And the before mentioned rumor, I think it could be reliable, gsmarena.com usually hit spot on. Maybe its not true??
http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z4_gets_certified_by_japanese_wireless_authority-news-10798.php
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Hello from North Carolina, US.
After carrying the Note 2 for two years, I am over the large phone form factor and was considering the Z3c back when it was released. But, I'm on Verizon (CDMA) and it just wasn't a good time to shift to TMobile. My Note 2 died, and I started carrying my wife's old Galaxy S3, which confirmed my preference for a smaller handset. Since my contract with Verizon is over in June, I figured I would carry the S3 until then, see what phones were announced at MWC and make my next phone decision based on that.
Frankly, for my use cases... MWC was MEH.
The S6/edge and HTC One M9 are both lovely phones, but I don't feel like they meet my needs as well as the Z3c. With the Z3c, I love the small form factor, the waterproofiness, the battery and the dedicated shutter button. Also, an S6 with as much storage as the SD card I already own will be hundreds of dollars more expensive than the Z3c.
That said, is it crazy to buy a 6 month old phone? Considering my use cases (primarily utilitarian - music, email, rss, news/weather, social, navigation, camera - no processor intensive games) and considering how surprisingly well the S3 is still running with these use cases at nearly three years old, I am thinking the Z3c may still be a good fit for me. And, I don't want to wait as long as the rumors are saying I would need to wait for the Z4 series (autumn 2015).
What about you, would you still buy the Z3c today? Do you think, based on how I've described my uses, that it would be a good fit for me? Is there another small form factor device I should be considering? Should I suck it up and wait for autumn and the Z4's?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
Cheers
Jack
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Hello from North Carolina, US.
After carrying the Note 2 for two years, I am over the large phone form factor and was considering the Z3c back when it was released. But, I'm on Verizon (CDMA) and it just wasn't a good time to shift to TMobile. My Note 2 died, and I started carrying my wife's old Galaxy S3, which confirmed my preference for a smaller handset. Since my contract with Verizon is over in June, I figured I would carry the S3 until then, see what phones were announced at MWC and make my next phone decision based on that.
Frankly, for my use cases... MWC was MEH.
The S6/edge and HTC One M9 are both lovely phones, but I don't feel like they meet my needs as well as the Z3c. With the Z3c, I love the small form factor, the waterproofiness, the battery and the dedicated shutter button. Also, an S6 with as much storage as the SD card I already own will be hundreds of dollars more expensive than the Z3c.
That said, is it crazy to buy a 6 month old phone? Considering my use cases (primarily utilitarian - music, email, rss, news/weather, social, navigation, camera - no processor intensive games) and considering how surprisingly well the S3 is still running with these use cases at nearly three years old, I am thinking the Z3c may still be a good fit for me. And, I don't want to wait as long as the rumors are saying I would need to wait for the Z4 series (autumn 2015).
What about you, would you still buy the Z3c today? Do you think, based on how I've described my uses, that it would be a good fit for me? Is there another small form factor device I should be considering? Should I suck it up and wait for autumn and the Z4's?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
Cheers
Jack
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For sure I'd still buy the Z3C today.
You're using your wife's S3 which is over 3 years old, so calling a 6 month old phone 'old' is kind of bs (No offense @ all)
As for the Z4, well.... there is no word about a Z4C and based on what Sony previously did, there shouldn't be a Z4C, but a Z5C (if ever).
The Z3C is a great phone, besides the occasional build flaws and bad camera under low light conditions.
That's great feedback, thank you.
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You're using your wife's S3 which is over 3 years old, so calling a 6 month old phone 'old' is kind of bs (No offense @ all)
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None taken. The last 5 phones I've bought for myself or my wife have been purchased within 2 weeks of release, sometimes by me standing in line on release day. I buy them early, use them for 2 years when I can contractually upgrade and get a new one and start the cycle over. I typically use a phone for two years and it starts to feel "old" to me at ~18-20 months when a couple new cycles of phones and android versions have been released. My concern is not that the phone is "old" now, rather that, being 6 months old now, it may start to feel old at 12-14 months rather than 18-20.
Btw, I followed your photo link from another post of yours. Like you comments here, your sample photos are really helpful.
Thanks again
Jack
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That's great feedback, thank you.
None taken. The last 5 phones I've bought for myself or my wife have been purchased within 2 weeks of release, sometimes by me standing in line on release day. I buy them early, use them for 2 years when I can contractually upgrade and get a new one and start the cycle over. I typically use a phone for two years and it starts to feel "old" to me at ~18-20 months when a couple new cycles of phones and android versions have been released. My concern is not that the phone is "old" now, rather that, being 6 months old now, it may start to feel old at 12-14 months rather than 18-20.
Btw, I followed your photo link from another post of yours. Like you comments here, your sample photos are really helpful.
Thanks again
Jack
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Thank you.
Well I don't know, in terms of specs I don't see much changing any time soon, unless all manufacturers decide to make 64bit phones or use a new type of battery that either lasts long and/or charges super fast.
In the end as long as you're doing 'normal' things the phone should be your companion for at least 2 years without you really noticing a difference between your phone and other people's.
Z3 and Z3 compact are best options on android right now.
implying you don't want a phablet.
new phones like GS6 and ONE M9 are cool but you can find a Z3 for 500€/$ and a Z3C for 400, (gs6 and one ~750$)
you'll have same software 5.0.2 with better UI, and better battery, only the camera will be a bit behind but still excellent.
so unless you have money to waste just go for it it's a good deal
I love my z3 compact but if I were to buy a new phone now, I would get the galaxy s6 edge.
The biggest issue I have with the z3c is the speaker. Currently if I am in a semi loud surrounding, I can hardly hear the other person on the line.
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As usual it depends on what you need. Me personally there is no other phone than the Z3c atm. Size/hardware/design... its perfect for me.
So if you're looking for a smaller phone (one hand use) with excellent battery life and fast hardware just go for it there is nothing that comes even close in that department.
I'm very torn right now, I'm frustrated that I would have to use the bloated stock software to get decent camera quality (no barrel distortion and better low light) and that CM12, while it runs decently doesn't support the features locked away by DRM. I'm contemplating reverting back to a Nexus 5...I think my biggest issue would be the camera, I thought it would be superb but in reality it only matches my nexus considering the distortion. And Sony's DRM and bootloader locking nonsense seems ridiculous to me.
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I'm very torn right now, I'm frustrated that I would have to use the bloated stock software to get decent camera quality (no barrel distortion and better low light) and that CM12, while it runs decently doesn't support the features locked away by DRM. I'm contemplating reverting back to a Nexus 5...I think my biggest issue would be the camera, I thought it would be superb but in reality it only matches my nexus considering the distortion. And Sony's DRM and bootloader locking nonsense seems ridiculous to me.
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you can just root and then debloat.
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you can just root and then debloat.
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That's easy...the hard part is losing all the customizations. I went to stock 5.0.2 rooted, system R/W support isn't there, I lose all sorts of little features like expanded desktop, quick unlock, navigation customization...
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That's easy...the hard part is losing all the customizations. I went to stock 5.0.2 rooted, system R/W support isn't there, I lose all sorts of little features like expanded desktop, quick unlock, navigation customization...
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Rw is already fixed though you wont like the process if you want to Stay on locked bl. Those features will be implemented either by Sony or more likely xposed working. Just give it some time
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Rw is already fixed though you wont like the process if you want to Stay on locked bl. Those features will be implemented either by Sony or more likely xposed working. Just give it some time
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Pretty sure Sony is done with us after this update, minus maybe a couple security patches there won't be any new features. I already tried CM12 for a good month, just couldn't stand the camera and the bugs were a bit too much for a DD. Hoping for xposed and working recoveries on lollipop...that's about all I can do right now.
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Pretty sure Sony is done with us after this update, minus maybe a couple security patches there won't be any new features. I already tried CM12 for a good month, just couldn't stand the camera and the bugs were a bit too much for a DD. Hoping for xposed and working recoveries on lollipop...that's about all I can do right now.
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Jeah it will Come soon enough, I mean lolli was just released and recoveries,custom Kernels and a working xposed will all make their way on this device sooner or later. Just play the waiting game... again
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Pretty sure Sony is done with us after this update, minus maybe a couple security patches there won't be any new features. I already tried CM12 for a good month, just couldn't stand the camera and the bugs were a bit too much for a DD. Hoping for xposed and working recoveries on lollipop...that's about all I can do right now.
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Let's see... The Xperia Z that has been released for about 2 years also received the Lollipop update, why would you think that Sony would stop update a phone that's just been out 6 month's. Can you please tell me your logic?
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There are some things which are so nice. Most of the new phones arent waterproof. Phones are getting bigger and bigger. But the z3c is smaller but quite good.
I certainly would buy the Z3C again, the biggest gripe I have is the lack of Quality Case choices. Great phone IMO, size, battery, speed and takes above average pictures(Auto mode) and if you take the time to use the manual settings it can take excellent pictures.
So far, Sony Z3C has no real competition. In android world. I just bought one.
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Let's see... The Xperia Z that has been released for about 2 years also received the Lollipop update, why would you think that Sony would stop update a phone that's just been out 6 month's. Can you please tell me your logic?
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Well with the persisting rumors that Sony is either scaling back or dropping their mobile division...I just have a gut feeling.
And I guess I changed my mind. Just ordered a replacement Nexus 5 like my old one. I will miss the size and it is a sharp looking phone, but the broken features that can never be fixed (mostly camera stuff) and the DRM nonsense really turned me off of this phone. I may be an oddball but I just don't like that I'm missing all the little customizations and things on CM12 when I'm on stock, and Xposed will probably only fix about half of those features. Miss Privacy Guard, Quick unlock, all that good stuff. And I just don't like the UI design choices. Plus all the no-name "device reporting" and "anonymous reporting" services running in the background that can't be disabled.
I'm sure in a few months CM12 will have the microphone & other issues ironed out, but what's the point of having a 20MP camera that has distortion and poor image quality that (from what I've read) can never be fixed in an AOSP rom?
I would recommend it to my fiancee that doesn't use her phone for much more than texting and Youtube, but not for a tinkerer like myself.
FOR SURE! Unless you want to wait for a Z4 Compact to even be announced, and then eventually come out, I'd say the Z3 Compact remains the best phone at it's size from anyone, still to this day. The Galaxy S5 Mini just came out recently, and it's a Snapdragon 400! The Z3 Compact has a great, waterproof build, MicroSD, Camera Button, and 801 processor. Nothing else comes close unless you're okay with a leviathan of a phone I love my Z3 Compact and really do not desire a new phone or ever again something larger...
Would definitely still buy again. Just ticks so many boxes that other devices don't (size, speed, battery, microSD, camera). It really has no competition. I'm not sure we'll see a Z4 compact at all - doubt z3 compact is a big seller and with Sony in such a mess, they may just focus on the Z4. If that happens, we're in bad shape for fully spec'd < 5" Android devices. The good news is that the hardware is advancing so slowly now, the z3c will probably be a viable platform for quite awhile.
My Galaxy S4 (two generations old!) still runs CM12 perfectly fine. It's an SD600!
I am exploring options for my next phone. What will be your future pick?
I was looking forward to a new sony device, but I am not blown away with the xperia x. But I guess it is still top of my list.
Guids said:
I am exploring options for my next phone. What will be your future pick?
I was looking forward to a new sony device, but I am not blown away with the xperia x. But I guess it is still top of my list.
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Probably a Z5 compact. The Z5 is cheaper but has the same spec as the X.
Sony have the market on small top spec phones. I like a small phone in my hand, not some massive phablet.
Plus it's waterproof and has all the features. Top audio, noise reduction technologies built in. IPS screen, there aren't any other manufacturers that come close.
But it won't be for another year, hopefully by then there will be some development on it and things like rooting will be easy.
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Probably a Z5 compact. The Z5 is cheaper but has the same spec as the X.
Sony have the market on small top spec phones. I like a small phone in my hand, not some massive phablet.
Plus it's waterproof and has all the features. Top audio, noise reduction technologies built in. IPS screen, there aren't any other manufacturers that come close.
But it won't be for another year, hopefully by then there will be some development on it and things like rooting will be easy.
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Yeah unfortunately support on xda is virtually non existent for the z5 (compact). And I do not think it will surge eventually, then it would have happened already. It is also the main reason why I didn't switch earlier. But yeah.. Xda support is really important for me since I like to tweak certain aspects
I am going with the Huawei P9 Plus. It will be a step up from the z3c in a few areas. First off, the P9 has 4gb of ram, so multitasking is easier, and the chipset is a solid foundation as well. The z3c has a higher megapixel camera 20mp vs the 12mp P9 Plus. The P9 Plus is almost an inch bigger in size 4.6 vs 5.5 but I still think that it does not qualify as ( as Didgesteve called it ) a phablet.
Nokia's (the Finnish company) non compete clause expires next month, so in 8 days I believe, I'm waiting to see what they bring to market - I bet it'll be good - they've had years to prepare.
A Galaxy Note 6/7 or a Nexus phone. My biggest priorities are vanilla, lag free, good battery and waterproof. If google makes a nice Nexus that's waterproof and has good battery, lag and vanilla are given. For the Note, I'm not so sure about the UI. But my Z3C has become laggy as of late, even with a factory reset. Constantly at 1.6-1.9 gb memory usage.
Xiaomi Mi 5 is cheap and really rocks!!! :good:
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Xiaomi Mi 5 is cheap and really rocks!!! :good:
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Definitely not Z5 Compact, I'd rather wait for the Xperia X to have a compact version than buy a phone with barely any support from the community and not to mention Snapdragon 810 Problems
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Xiaomi Mi 5 is cheap and really rocks!!! :good:
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I ways also looking forward to this. But that video showing that it breaks easily scared me off. The camera is also underwhelming.
I like specs from oneplus 3, but it is just too damn big.
Much as i like the z3c for it's size and specs, my next phone will most likely be a nexus.
While Sony's firmware isn't bad i do miss the variety of 3rd party, AOSP based roms, something that a nexus won't lack thanks to the open bootloader and abundance of developers.
For now, until we know anything about the next Nexus devices, i just hope the PA team will manage to resolve some of the more pressing bugs, a daily-driver aosp MM rom might just keep me around for a bit longer.
Definitely not a Xperia!!
i switched from z3 compact to iphone SE
I went from a HTC Desire to a HTC Sensation, then a Xperia ZR and I have enjoyed my Z3 Compact since October, 2014. I wanted a new Xperia for the summer of 2016, something like the Z6 Compact but the new Xperia X series is not what I wanted.
The only Xperia X I wanted is the X Performance but it has failed to pique my interest. Battery tests look underwhelming compared to the Z3C, the camera isn't up to the other flagships and the price is too high for a smartphone that wont' be released in Europe until July.
So I have jumped ship and went to buy an S7 Edge that features great battery, screen, camera, waterproofing and Material themes so TouchWiz isn't annoying. Maybe the screen is too big at 5.5", but the AMOLED readability in summer is top-notch and the pictures and videos taken are miles better than any other phone camera I tried.
The S7 Edge was 570 euro including the Samsung VR glasses (thanks to Vodafone). The Xperia X Performance hasn't been released yet, but I expect it to cost around 630-650 euro.
Sony has failed me first choosing the SD 810 for the Z5 line and now leaving the Z series aside (Z6 Compact, Z6 and Z6 Premium was what I wanted).
I may return to Sony when they offer something that fills the void of the Z series, not right now with overpriced phones that are released too late.
I get my Nexus 5X tomorrow! YAY! Not the newest device, but almost anything seems to be better to me than any Xperia. I really like the Nexus line. If I hadn't been that misinformed by Sony about being open blabla I would have bought a Nexus instead of an Xperia. Actually using a Z3C, going to sell it as soon as I was finally able to recover DRM with Windows 10 or Linux (Arch). So my Nexus 5X will cost me about 100 Euro. Nice price for a quite decent upgrade of camera and processor (Snapdragon 801 --> Snapdragon 808) and for a device I can fully customize and which got amazing support in FOSS community / XDA.
I think smartphones today are really fast (more than 200 (!!) times faster than my first PC., an Intel 80386. Imagine 200 PCs in your room, haha) and it's not top priority for me to have the fastest device in the whole universe. What counts for me is that the device is fast enough to be ready for daily usage, that I can modify my device to my needs without losing any feature (camera quality, sound quality), not the needs a company wants me to have... and to have a good camera (battery of the Nexus 5X is not the best but acceptable). At first I was quite satisfied with my Z3C but that slowly turned into frustration and anger. It took months to root this unholy device without losing DRM forever (thank God for the dev that finally got it!). Afterwards it was a pain in the ass to do such simple things like rooting it, install recovery (compared to my S3 and Nexus 7; atm trying to recover my DRM for selling this crappy device but ADB won't call SuperSU - wtf?!)... then saw how "good" the open-source output of the so-called developer-friendly company was and I was massively disappointed, to say it in very kind words. Still there is no fully working (--> fisheye) AOSP for Z3 series. Lollipop got fisheye, CM13 for MM is not available yet (LOL?! The only manufacturer left... what a shame) because Sony released first MM working stuff (RIL, camera) in May 2016 afaik) - more than half a year after release of MM. That's what I call developer-friendly... lol. I never gonna buy any Xperia anymore, never in a million years, that's for sure, and try to avoid buying anything made by Sony in general.
Now I'm very glad to get a Nexus (I'm still very satisfied with my Nexus 7 2013 already) because the needs of the user and customizability are top priority and it has a very good cam, which won't produce (reverse) fisheye-pictures when unlocked. I won't need to use stock ROM for this device to be fully working, nor a locked BL and a thousand hacks for stock to be comfortable with (still no dark settings for MM stock, only eye-killing whiteness). Feels like not being in bonds any more...
My brother and my sister-in-law both got the same device (Z3C stock, not rooted) and are very satisfied (for whatever reason... camera on stock with DRM is even worse than on my old Galaxy S3)... so, well. For everyone who still likes Xperia, I wish you the best with that, honestly.
Good riddance, Sony...
is there any phone out there with similar dimensions to the z3 compact? i would like waterproofing as well, but not sure what's out there these days. i have to admit i love the concept rom
tronjojo said:
is there any phone out there with similar dimensions to the z3 compact? i would like waterproofing as well, but not sure what's out there these days. i have to admit i love the concept rom
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deniz2694 said:
i switched from z3 compact to iphone SE
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I know a lot of ppl that had made that switch and was satisfied about it
I'm looking for the best smartphone that does not tells itself that the system was been tampered if i root and modify something (Like KNOX or HTC do tell it), because if i want to bring my warranty back, i simply re-flash the firmware and it become unrooted.
No idea. I will be sticking with my Z3c for the foreseeable future.
I recently purchased a Galaxy s6 and was missing my Z3c within a few days. I have also recently used the LG G4 and Nexus 5x. All of these feel like a step down. The Z3c with the MM Slim rom is so fast and fluid and the battery life is ridiculous. The galaxy S6 could kill itself in 12 hours with almost no interaction. Also, it is hard to go back to a phone as large as those. Once you put a case on them, you may as well be using a tablet.
I would go for OnePlus 3 right now, but it's huge, i just don't get the hype for 5.5" screen, that requires your device body to have more than 15cm in size. All of a sudden 5" was not enough so they all had to go for more, not to mention big bezels on top and bottom of the screen even on those 5-5.2" devices.
Ill start by saying I love my oneplus 3 (not 3t). I am holding out getting the oneplus 5 because of it. The 3 has literally everything I want. The only downfalls are camera and now not having 8 gb of ram and a sd835. In all honesty though this phone is still competitive a year later minus the camera. When the one plus 5 came out I said I would upgrade if the price and camera are good. If they weren't I would keep my oneplus 3 and buy a zerolemon battery case for it (because I love it too much for the battery to last). Now that I see the camera is not good and the price higher I am keeping it. My screen has ZERO scratches. The battery will still get me through a full day of moderate/light use. The body is near flawless. And most importantly the hardware is still fast. I feel stupid for wanting the newest oneplus phone just because it was new. Does anybody else feel the same?
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Ill start by saying I love my oneplus 3 (not 3t). I am holding out getting the oneplus 5 because of it. The 3 has literally everything I want. The only downfalls are camera and now not having 8 gb of ram and a sd835. In all honesty though this phone is still competitive a year later minus the camera. When the one plus 5 came out I said I would upgrade if the price and camera are good. If they weren't I would keep my oneplus 3 and buy a zerolemon battery case for it (because I love it too much for the battery to last). Now that I see the camera is not good and the price higher I am keeping it. My screen has ZERO scratches. The battery will still get me through a full day of moderate/light use. The body is near flawless. And most importantly the hardware is still fast. I feel stupid for wanting the newest oneplus phone just because it was new. Does anybody else feel the same?
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Same here. Btw what ROM are you using? Did you get any burn in yet?
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Same here. Btw what ROM are you using? Did you get any burn in yet?
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Right now freedom and bluspark kernal. But I switch so much haha. I have no burn in... Is this even a concern with this phone?
I too am completely satisfied with my OP3.
See no reason to upgrade to the latest OnePlus.
I am honestly disappointed with the OP5 though.
I'm here with ya. Keeping this beast for a long time to come, probably 2 more years.
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I too am completely satisfied with my OP3.
See no reason to upgrade to the latest OnePlus.
I am honestly disappointed with the OP5 though.
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me too. I thought they would include an sd card atleast. A op3 with an sd card an removable battery would be a game changer
Totally agree with you guys.
Think I'll wait till the OnePlus 7 at the earliest. My OP3 is still rocking. All I want now is a 2m dash charge cable.
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Came from a Honor 5X, it was so slow even though it had 2GB of ram.. I usually spend 100 euro each year on a phone so that means I have 3 more years to go! Let's see if Oneplus still exists after 3 years and if they aren't making €1000 phones... Until then VertexOS with Render Kernel will suit me well
Yeah I'm with you guys on this one. If you'd of asked me 6 months ago if I would be upgrading I would of said without question, but now that the 5 is here and I can actually compare the 2 devices, I see little incentive to upgrade. Sure the 5 has sightly better specs but are they $500 better? No, not to me. I'm pretty disappointed with what they did or rather didn't do with the 5 series... No screen upgrade ( VR compliant resolution) , no sdcard slot (this a big disappointment), no stereo speakers (or even front facing, as gaming inevitably covers the down-fire with hand), no 3.0 USB type C (on a device now sporting 4k cam, really? so you have to offload at 2.0 speeds... wow) , and no earth moving styling changes ether.
All that adds up to the 3 maintaining its bang for the buck , and likely will for some time to come.
I've grown quite attached to my 3, we've been through some crazy rough times together. and I've learned soo much from it in the process. On day 2 after purchasing I bricked it and thought I'd killed it. And at 3a.m not a lot of people on xda to assist so that was a rollercoster of emotion to the next morning when someone piped up and showed me the recovery tool for bricked devices.
Then on month 3 I accidentally slammed it down on the sidewalk attempting to remove my arm from a stubborn winter coat and shattered the screen. A phone call later informed me the repair shop wanted $250 to replace it! So yeah, now I know how to DIY a OP3 screen replacement, including reglueing the glass onto the new $100 replacement screen (and let me tell ya, not fun) but I did it and it came out flawless).
Here's the proof
https://goo.gl/photos/9TLcayW5oxqDammY8
So in short, they'll have to do much better then they did to entice me into abandoning my amazingly tough and resilient oneplus 3.
Me too seems keep op3. Do not think 500 eur upgrade worth it to swap for op5. You guys think camera are bad? Take old nokia and take photo, there is bad camera for sure, so smile and have fun with op3
I thought OnePlus 5 will have a better camera, + 835, ram. I keep my 1+3, too.
I've had my OP3 since August and it's still going strong. It's rooted and running ExperienceOS R10.0. I have no intention of upgrading anytime soon.
I honestly feel like the jump from OnePlus 3(T) to the OnePlus 5 isn't really a big jump. I see it as some minor changes over the OnePlus 3(T), it may be there introduce new users to the OnePlus space because it's full on marketing on camera (even though the camera is not well received anyway). I'll wait for what OnePlus have to offer on the 6 (and I hope it's not a "shiny brand new camera" again *sigh*).
There seems to be a lot of persons here that are satisfied with their 1+3/T. I've had my 1+3 almost a year now and I am very comfortable with it.(felt cheated when they released the 1+3T thought lol.) Even before hearing about the 5 I had already decided not to buy another phone, probably next year if the 6 is worth the upgrade. Yes the camera isn't the best but it gets the job done. The battery still last a full day after so many months of gaming (online/offline) Bluetooth headphones plus a gear fit 2 which means BT is on 24/7. The support is great i like switching between roms OOS, HYDROGEN OS, MIUI, Flyme and several AOSP based roms. Its going to be a hard task to replace this phone. Good job OnePlus.
So many good stories. Haha. At least I am not the only one that feels this way. I hope one plus looks at these forums and sees how people really feel.
i'm happy with my OP3. I hope they still doin oxygenos updates for it. if not i start using custom roms, but im too lazy to search for a way to remove the dm verity everytime i update the rom. but we will see what comes in the future.
You're right because these phones are built to last for 2-3 years. I still have it working daily an it hasn't shown a single sign of age. It still delivers the promised battery life, charging rate, and performance too. I'd consider changing it for the oneplus 5 if it had the resale price it deserves because its still better than the cheaper phones. Also the oneplus 5 looks a lot like iphone 7+. That's a minor thing but then again they have changed the hardware but it doesn't matter what's under the hood to laymen; what matters is how it performs. In my opinion the oneplus 3 is quite good compared to the 5.
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There seems to be a lot of persons here that are satisfied with their 1+3/T. I've had my 1+3 almost a year now and I am very comfortable with it.(felt cheated when they released the 1+3T thought lol.) Even before hearing about the 5 I had already decided not to buy another phone, probably next year if the 6 is worth the upgrade. Yes the camera isn't the best but it gets the job done. The battery still last a full day after so many months of gaming (online/offline) Bluetooth headphones plus a gear fit 2 which means BT is on 24/7. The support is great i like switching between roms OOS, HYDROGEN OS, MIUI, Flyme and several AOSP based roms. Its going to be a hard task to replace this phone. Good job OnePlus.
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I am with you. I initially ordered the Oneplus 5 but now will send it back, because there is nothing that justifies the money for the new device. I mean sure you got a little bit more power and more battery, but I don´t see that this is worth the 300€ (could have sold Oneplus 3 for 280€) spent for the new phone. The only thing I will really miss is the new design. I ****ing loved the new design and the haptics of it, but I also love the design of the OP3. So OP3 will still be my daily device for at least one or two more years
Agreed!
I didn't like the design of the phone it looks like something I hate
not worth for 500$ there are no major differences
820 doin the Job and the cam is not bad
Battery life still fine even after a long time
keeping mine till end of this year or maybe longer.
why?
because the 3 satisfies my need for everyday use. kinda no disappointments. been with custom roms for a while but now im sticking to the official stock with root. as long as the phone gives me good battery life away from home then im good. plays music from my wired earphones, browses the web and can call and send text msgs then im totally good with it. no need for the oneplus 5 although it looks good but im tired answering people what phone im using. lol
Dear All,
I am Planning to Buy Sony XZ1 Compact, please share your feedback it is worth to buy in 2020?
No more Android updates (including security updates) is the major drawback.
It's still a very good phone (the best suited for my needs) with decent CPU, IO speed and connectivity. If you buy a new one then good battery life is also a strong point of this model.
Are they available to buy somewhere (as brand new)?
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No more Android updates (including security updates) is the major drawback.
It's still a very good phone (the best suited for my needs) with decent CPU, IO speed and connectivity. If you buy a new one then good battery life is also a strong point of this model.
Are they available to buy somewhere (as brand new)?
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Thanks for the answer, yes available in my city (Gulf Countries)
I am a little bit confused for Battery because nowadays every cell has 4000+ mAh battery, xz1c will give same as a big battery or not
You buy XZ1c because it's one of the last compact smartphones with decent parameters, not for the biggest battery on the market!
I don't know a lot of 4000+ mAh phones and for sure not a single small phone with such big battery. XZ1c will give you 2 days with all features on and about 6-8 hours of screen on. 3 days if you use it more lightly and full single day if you use it extremely (except you encounter some appplication or problem with unnatural battery drain). It's best battery life/size ratio I've ever experienced with smartphones.
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You buy XZ1c because it's one of the last compact smartphones with decent parameters, not for the biggest battery on the market!
I don't know a lot of 4000+ mAh phones and for sure not a single small phone with such big battery. XZ1c will give you 2 days with all features on and about 6-8 hours of screen on. 3 days if you use it more lightly and full single day if you use it extremely (except you encounter some appplication or problem with unnatural battery drain). It's best battery life/size ratio I've ever experienced with smartphones.
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Ok...Thanks for info
Actually I had XZ2 Compact, right now I have Asus 6z which is absolutely great. I am planing Xz1 Compact for my mother, she is using only for calling and sometimes WhatsApp
I also have XZ2c as a work phone and I hate using it but I love my XZ1c
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I also have XZ2c as a work phone and I hate using it but I love my XZ1c
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Oh...but XZ2C likewise little better compare to XZ1C special thick bezels
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Oh...but XZ2C likewise little better compare to XZ1C special thick bezels
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I'll take the thicker bezels, the XZ1C is a better design and a more beautiful device than the XZ2C.
I was ready to respond affirmatively; it's an excellent phone. But, you say: "..for my mother, she is using only for calling and sometimes WhatsApp." I'd say no only because the XZ1 compact -at least in the US - has retained its value remarkably well. I think mine is excellent and would miss it dearly. I believe it was when new, and still is, peerless, given its size and features, and I've been waiting for prices to drop to get a backup. That day has not come; I'd have to pay about what I paid for a new one in 2017. For simply calls and occasional wassup, I'd look for a more economical option.
The last Android software and security update for this phone is Android 9, Sept 2019. New updates are not to be expected.
If this is no issue for you, then the XZ1 compact is a nice, powerful and nicely compact smartphone.
Pulled the trigger on one today
My Z5 compact is getting kinda old, doesn't seem to connect as reliably as I think it should and the xz1C is almost the only small form factor phone I can find with good stats and 3.5mm jack. I grabbed one new at cell2get for just under $400. That price is nuts to me for a 3 year old phone but I can't find anything I like as much. This'll be my 4th xperia compact phone so I guess I'm a fan boy at this point.
Now I have to figure out what all to do to it once it comes in.
I don't fool with phones too much except when I have a new oneevery few years... spend a month or so learning about it and how to get it set up the way I want (so I can run Titanium Backup and ADW launcher and my pointless but cute Buffguff icons) which usually means rooting it. Not really looking forward to fooling with all that with the xz1. I've not started but I hope it's not too much of a pain. :fingers-crossed:
Anyway, yeah if you can get it new, grab one. Bestest phones around!
Oh...Thanks for all who helped me, actually I decided to buy because I get near 100 USD