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Force ImmersiveMode/Hide Statusbar without root!?

Hi, is there like a adb command or something else that can help me to display all my apps in fullscreen?

chieco said:
Hi, is there like a adb command or something else that can help me to display all my apps in fullscreen?
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I used systemui tuner.
*edit* I only hide the navbar, I leave status bar. The only thing i've noticed however is that it won't work with stock launcher. Using any other launcher it will hide. I guess we will have to wait until developers update their apps to work with samsung. Same thing happened on my essential phone. had to wait till devs fixed the screen resolution cause of the notch.

jasonevil said:
I used systemui tuner.
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on one ui? which one do you have a link?

I also used System UI Tuner but in immersive mode there is only a black bar on top.
I didn't find a way for full immersive mode yet.
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this makes your device full immersive mode permanent.
Full Time - Immersive Mode
(Permanently hide status and nav bar, restart device afterwards)
Code:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*

freebee269 said:
this makes your device full immersive mode permanent.
Full Time - Immersive Mode
(Permanently hide status and nav bar, restart device afterwards)
Code:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*
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didn't work on my S10... maybe there is a different command for one ui pie devices?

Immersive manager
Good day.
I use immersive manager (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ivianuu.immersivemodemanager), because it has 2 modes, 'global immersive' and 'per app immersive'. So i can choose which apps use immersive mode.
It can be activated through ADB with a PC.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
I use immersive manager (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ivianuu.immersivemodemanager), because it has 2 modes, 'global immersive' and 'per app immersive'. So i can choose which apps use immersive mode.
It can be activated through ADB with a PC.
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I tried but it doesn't work with S10+. The black bar on the top still stay there. :crying:
Other advices, please?

megg said:
I tried but it doesn't work with S10+. The black bar on the top still stay there. :crying:
Other advices, please?
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Sorry to ask, does the black bar covers the screen all the way down the camera holes?
it could be a stupid sugestion, but i saw a review video that the owner removes that black bar in an settings option .
I don't currently own the phone, so i cannot help you any further.

Having same issue with bar across the top. I have full immersive on Nova launcher but not on any apps.

megg said:
I tried but it doesn't work with S10+. The black bar on the top still stay there. :crying:
Other advices, please?
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jasonsoto said:
Having same issue with bar across the top. I have full immersive on Nova launcher but not on any apps.
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Go to Settings/Display/Full Screen Apps and change the setting for the offending apps to Full Screen (default is auto). If that doesn't work, then perhaps the apps that are giving the issue don't support it.

I have all of my apps set to full screen and none of them are full screen... I have even used the adb command and all it does is remove the status bar info but I am still stuck with the bar.

Bar across top
This is what I am talking about.

What i as saying in my response (at minute 2:48)
https://youtu.be/37ImrfsFoxc?t=168

I understand that. All of my apps are set to full screen not auto. If you look at the screen shot that is what Chrome looks like in full screen mode.

Str0ntium said:
Go to Settings/Display/Full Screen Apps and change the setting for the offending apps to Full Screen (default is auto). If that doesn't work, then perhaps the apps that are giving the issue don't support it.
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I've done this of course but I'm looking for a browser that goes full screen.
This setting works for youtube and the home but not for all apps (like chrome or samsung internet browser) where the black bar unfortunately is still there.

megg said:
I've done this of course but I'm looking for a browser that goes full screen.
This setting works for youtube and the home but not for all apps (like chrome or samsung internet browser) where the black bar unfortunately is still there.
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Not sure what you have going on, then. The version of chrome that came on the phone is working fine for me in immersive mode. Granted, all that it does is color the top of the screen with the color theme of whatever site I'm on. But, it's definitely not putting a black bar there. So far the apps I've tried, and work: Chrome, Yahoo, Discord, Sync. You sure you don't have "hide front camera" option enabled in the full screen settings?

You are right the bar changes color with the color theme of the website. But i'm looking for a way to remove it. I've tried in settings and with immersive manager via adb and I didn't succeed at the moment.

megg said:
You are right the bar changes color with the color theme of the website. But i'm looking for a way to remove it. I've tried in settings and with immersive manager via adb and I didn't succeed at the moment.
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For me, both the nav/status bar hide when I am in immersive mode. I used Immersive mode manager and it worked fine. Right now just using Button Mapper by Flar2 to map the bixby button to it.
That looks like you are in gesture mode, not immersive mode. I actually prefer gesture mode. Swiping up just to get the bar is a pain.

Does anyone know a method to remove the tinting from the status bar? Making it the same colour as the app headers or even transparent with the background?

Full Immersive Mode

For those that want to take advantage of this beautiful screen and all it's glory. These commands will remove the status bar, the navigation bar, or both. They must be run using ADB. I did not create this, these commands have been around for quite a while and I have been using them as far back as the Galaxy S8.
They do the same thing as immersive mode in System UI Tuner but without having to install another app and run commands for that app to work and yes before you ask, I have used that same app on some of the recent phones I have had. These commands are just for those that want the full screen experience.
Without further ado here are the commands to be placed into ADB.
To hide the Status bar:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*
To hide the Navigation bar:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.navigation=*
To hide both Status and Navigation bars:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.full=*
To revert:
adb shell settings put global policy_control null*
Hope Y'all enjoy it.

truckerdewd said:
For those that want to take advantage of this beautiful screen and all it's glory. These commands will remove the status bar, the navigation bar, or both. They must be run using ADB. I did not create this, these commands have been around for quite a while and I have been using them as far back as the Galaxy S8.
They do the same thing as immersive mode in System UI Tuner but without having to install another app and run commands for that app to work and yes before you ask, I have used that same app on some of the recent phones I have had. These commands are just for those that want the full screen experience.
Without further ado here are the commands to be placed into ADB.
To hide the Status bar:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*
To hide the Navigation bar:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.navigation=*
To hide both Status and Navigation bars:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.full=*
To revert:
adb shell settings put global policy_control null*
Hope Y'all enjoy it.
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is there a code to disable the nav bar permanently? for instance, with the code above it basically hides the nav bar. it is still available if you swipe up. i'd like to completely disable it so it never shows and use LMT with gestures instead.

knives of ice said:
is there a code to disable the nav bar permanently? for instance, with the code above it basically hides the nav bar. it is still available if you swipe up. i'd like to completely disable it so it never shows and use LMT with gestures instead.
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Oh my god thank you. I'm looking for the same thing. I want to remove the navigation bar entirely. I use fluid navigation gestures right now, because I absolutely hate the OnePlus navigation gestures animation you get. (Flingy shrinking square effect)It feels like it's slowing down the phone.
But when you use the fingerprint sensor with fluid gestures, for a brief moment, the system has to shoot the navigation bar back down again. it's annoying and glitchy. It feels like I can't win, there's always a stupid animation I don't want to see

Burt Squirtz said:
Oh my god thank you. I'm looking for the same thing. I want to remove the navigation bar entirely. I use fluid navigation gestures right now, because I absolutely hate the OnePlus navigation gestures animation you get. (Flingy shrinking square effect)It feels like it's slowing down the phone.
But when you use the fingerprint sensor with fluid gestures, for a brief moment, the system has to shoot the navigation bar back down again. it's annoying and glitchy. It feels like I can't win, there's always a stupid animation I don't want to see
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edit /system/build.prop:
Code:
qemu.hw.mainkeys=1
untested

knives of ice said:
is there a code to disable the nav bar permanently? for instance, with the code above it basically hides the nav bar. it is still available if you swipe up. i'd like to completely disable it so it never shows and use LMT with gestures instead.
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I just go into settings and then into buttons & gestures and then navigation bare and gestures and set it for gestures and viola, nav bar gone.

truckerdewd said:
I just go into settings and then into buttons & gestures and then navigation bare and gestures and set it for gestures and viola, nav bar gone.
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yes, but the nav bar still comes up when you swipe from bottom to top or when you open the keyboard to type something.
i have it set to hide both bars and thats what it does now
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Heisenberg420 said:
edit /system/build.prop:
Code:
qemu.hw.mainkeys=1
untested
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unless there is something specifically different with oneplus - this build prop edit no longer works since going to Pie.
there definitely is some way to hide it because some custom roms like Resurrection Remix still remove it completely if you want.
gonna keep trying and see if i can get rid of it all together

Hi
I love to use the phone in full immersive mode, but I have problem with the keyboard. Let's say I have kb up in the browser. Somebody sends me a msg, I have the popup (which I'd also like to be able to disable btw, in case if you know a trick), and it brings back the statusbar for the time of the pop up, and that causes the reloading of the kb. Very annoying. Plus in whatsapp it breaks the ui, the top bar with the name of the contact disappears, and the type bar also covered by the kb for a few pixel widht. If the kb is not up, there's no problem. Am I the knly lucky with these issues?

truckerdewd said:
I just go into settings and then into buttons & gestures and then navigation bare and gestures and set it for gestures and viola, nav bar gone.
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you're right - this is the way to do it. when you have it turned on the keyboard doesn't come up. that combined with the adb code to hide both bars seems to work

knives of ice said:
yes, but the nav bar still comes up when you swipe from bottom to top or when you open the keyboard to type something.
i have it set to hide both bars and thats what it does now
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unless there is something specifically different with oneplus - this build prop edit no longer works since going to Pie.
there definitely is some way to hide it because some custom roms like Resurrection Remix still remove it completely if you want.
gonna keep trying and see if i can get rid of it all together
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This worked for me:
Requirements: ADB and Fastboot installed on PC or Mac.
Instructions: Type without quotations in CMD or Windows PoweShell (use "."before command in PowerShell):
"adb shell wm overscan 0,0,0,-202"
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And for full, semi, etc. immersive; EdExposed with GravityBox P --> Display Tweaks --> Expanded Desktop Mode settings. In addition, GravityBox adds the Expanded Desktop mode change button to the Power Menu

adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.full=
hides it completely, been using since I got the phone, I love the impressiveness of full screen mode, only thing is the round corners sometimes partially obstruct screen elements, my previous Mi Mix was much squarer and didnt have this (minor) issue.

I only use the code for the status bar and not the one for the the nav bar or full since I use gestures. I did try it with it with full and had no issues with the buttons popping up when I swipe up or down nor did I have a y keyboard issues.

Skenderbeggar said:
This worked for me:
Requirements: ADB and Fastboot installed on PC or Mac.
Instructions: Type without quotations in CMD or Windows PoweShell (use "."before command in PowerShell):
"adb shell wm overscan 0,0,0,-202"
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And for full, semi, etc. immersive; EdExposed with GravityBox P --> Display Tweaks --> Expanded Desktop Mode settings. In addition, GravityBox adds the Expanded Desktop mode change button to the Power Menu
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"adb shell wm overscan 0,0,0,-202"
this code moved it a bit too much. any idea what number stock is? trying different values and its not working
EDIT - i kept messing with this so the keyboard was at the very bottom and the number i needed was -75

Is there an easy way to enable per app nav bar immersive mode? On stock LG Oreo, there was a toggle on the nav bar that you could enable / disable per app to show / hide the nav bar (nothing for status bar .. but I like having the status bar).
If not I think I found something to work on
Edit : So I see that Renovate Ice offers per app, but I am not going to pay for a feature that I can fix myself. I run xxx no limits, and I think I will get in touch with that dev to see if he will let me work with him to get it added in.
-- Brian

I cheesed out and paid for Renovate. It is nice that you can run Renovate with xxx No Limits at the same time .. the only issue being the timeout of the AOD . Way too fast with both installed.
Again, I have only had this phone since Friday, but I will be tearing through the code, and fixing all these little issues that bug the sh*t out of me without someone having to pay for it
-- Brian

Hi
Is anybody there uses full immersive mode on 10?
Before on 9 I had some issues, when the keyboard was active. After it was fixed. (I was on havoc).
Now as I swapped to 10 some months ago, I have the same issue. I was waiting all these months to be fixed, but still the keyboard breaks the ui. You can see in whatsapp chat, substratum, even in xda app, when you write a post.
This only happens, when I hide statbar, as navbar is always hidden, that doesn't give problem, so I did a blacklist for the statbar for tgese apps. I use system ui tuner app.
Do you know any way to fix this?
I wrote a couple of times to the forum of the rom I use, but no answer. I know, not so popular the full immersive mode, but I really like it, please share if you know a fix, thanks.

BTW @truckerdewd I recommend putting a "" around the *
The * is a wildcard character and also sometimes treated as a regex
Code:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.navigation="*"
That should prevent headaches for anyone using shells that auto fill the *

anupritaisno1 said:
BTW @truckerdewd I recommend putting a "" around the *
The * is a wildcard character and also sometimes treated as a regex
That should prevent headaches for anyone using shells that auto fill the *
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I copied and pasted the exact commands from a web page that I have saved in my email. I have used the same exact commands all the way back to when the Galaxy S8 came out without incident. Best way to prevent the * from bring auto entered in command prompt is to not use Windows shell but to actually make windows use command prompt. Windows shell sucks and I detest it.

truckerdewd said:
For those that want to take advantage of this beautiful screen and all it's glory. These commands will remove the status bar, the navigation bar, or both. They must be run using ADB. I did not create this, these commands have been around for quite a while and I have been using them as far back as the Galaxy S8.
They do the same thing as immersive mode in System UI Tuner but without having to install another app and run commands for that app to work and yes before you ask, I have used that same app on some of the recent phones I have had. These commands are just for those that want the full screen experience.
Without further ado here are the commands to be placed into ADB.
To hide the Status bar:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*
To hide the Navigation bar:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.navigation=*
To hide both Status and Navigation bars:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.full=*
To revert:
adb shell settings put global policy_control null*
Hope Y'all enjoy it.
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thanks! it worked!

A11 broke immersive mode it seems

HIDE NAVIGATION BAR - so that we can use gestures related APPS

Hi everyone, although this is wide known to every one, i guess someone could benefit from this
To hide navbar without ROOT access.
we first need a PC , USB cable, and Phone.
PREREQUISITE STEPS:
1) download and Install ADB.
link : https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-windows.zip
2) Enable Developer options, then enable USB debugging.
After installing ADB:
Open command prompt, make sure usb debugging is turned on in your phone.
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STEPS TO DO.
1)To start adb service
Type adb start_server
Then authorize the phone ( a popup will appear on your phone screen - check the box and press OK)
2) Type adb devices
shows list of devices attached to the pc.
3) Type adb shell
TO HIDE NAV BAR:
After typing adb shell, it should look like: laurel_sprout:/ $
then enter : wm overscan 0,0,0,-100
it should look like - laurel_sprout:/ $ wm overscan 0,0,0,-100
what this code does is, it shifts the location of navbar down, you can notice that navbar would be shifting its position when you play around with numbers less than -100 - give a try
NOTE : for my device the value showed in RED ( -100) is negative 100, in your device it will vary, so check all possibilities. change number from -100 to -200 , for more help checkout this video which i found it on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOH1BQFh0rI
TO SHOW NAV BAR as PREVIOUS:
laurel_sprout:/ $ wm overscan 0,0,0,0
NOTE : set the last parameter to '0', then navbar will be back.
TyPE exit. to come out of that adb shell.
4) Type adb kill_server
to stop the ADB, then disconnect your phone.
i installed Fluid Gestures from playstore as replacement to stock navbar.
and make sure you have Gestures enabled, else you wont have a way to navigate :laugh:
My screen:
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And I need your wallpaper link

nandakis4 said:
i installed Fluid Gestures from playstore as replacement to stock navbar.
and make sure you have Gestures enabled, else you wont have a way to navigate :laugh:
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LOL. .. Not having a way to navigate seems so funny
And yes Fluid Gestures rocks! IMO google really messed up the gesture navigation on android pie, it's clunky & counter-intuitive . iOS pretty much nailed it from the very beginning & Xiomi simply copied them. So MIUI has the best implementation of gesture on the Android side.
I've rooted my phone already, used systemui tuner from play store & combined it with Fluid Gestures. Works much better than default navigation system.

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LOL. .. Not having a way to navigate seems so funny
And yes Fluid Gestures rocks! IMO google really messed up the gesture navigation on android pie, it's clunky & counter-intuitive . iOS pretty much nailed it from the very beginning & Xiomi simply copied them. So MIUI has the best implementation of gesture on the Android side.
I've rooted my phone already, used systemui tuner from play store & combined it with Fluid Gestures. Works much better than default navigation system.
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Thanks for this thread, really useful.
Fluid Gestures is great, agree, Google's are awful. Recommend to anyone getting vexed with that half-stop-step [email protected]!!

If I perform a factory reset, will it revert to the previous state with the navigation bar visible?
Thanks in advance.

After hiding navigation, volume controller disappeared in full-screen apps

Does this method also work with mi9t Pro?

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How To Guide How to remove navigation buttons and enable gestures on 3rd party Launchers?

Hello people, as I've seen unlocking and rooting is mooving along quite good. And since in each xiaomi device forum there's a topic like this.
I've tried several apps/methods (adb) to enable navigation gestures on Nova launcher specially, but with no avail. Of course I haven't tried rooting because that's not an option for me.
Currently I'm using navigation buttons with edge gestures (app), but I don't want to use nav buttons permanently as I worry about screen burn in.
So has anyone managed to enable gestures on 3rd party launchers and/or remove/hide the navigation bar? Please enlight us
EDIT: I MADE IT WORK
After several days searching, reading and trying I was about to give up on this one. I was getting acustomed to use Navigation bar + edge gestures (app) and I was kind of happy. But, luckly today I used some of my last shots to try to accomplish it and I DID IT.
Thus here's a brief guide on how to do it:
Install ADB and Fastboot Drivers from here (Select the latest) -> https://androidmtk.com/download-minimal-adb-and-fastboot-tool )
Install drivers for Xiaomi 11T Pro -> https://droidfilehost.com/download/download-xiaomi-usb-driver-for-windows
Enable Developer Options
On Developer options Enable: USB Debugging, Install via USB and USB Debugging (Security settings)
After that and by checking in power shell or the command prompt on windows with "adb devices". If your device get listed you're golden.
Open power shell or CMD on the folder where you installed minimal adb and fastboot.
Type and enter adb shell
Then on the adb console type: settings put global force_fsg_nav_bar 1
This will hide the navigation bar and it will put gestures as your main navigation method, but take into account that you should configure prior to this process another gesture app such as FNG with your preferred gestures. Other additional things you can do is set FNG as "autostart" in app settings and/or lock it in the recents view.
AFAIK Navigation bar will reappear every time you reboot your pohone, in that case you should only repeat the adb command and you should be good. If anyone knows a permanent solution without root please let us all know.
Hope it works for you as it did for me.

I checked about this last week, since I personally use Nova Launcher.
Unfortunately even with the existing phones that are using MIUI 12 that have been out for 1 year or so, I couldnt find a solution with the navigation gestures. If I find something, I will let you know.

nousernamesorry said:
I checked about this last week, since I personally use Nova Launcher.
Unfortunately even with the existing phones that are using MIUI 12 that have been out for 1 year or so, I couldnt find a solution with the navigation gestures. If I find something, I will let you know.
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Just made it work, check the OP if you want to try it.

It works for me too, but needs permanent solution.

Permanent solution requires rooted phone and can be done like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/irs1eb

Another permanent solution I've been using since MIUI 12.5 update on my POCO is to install Substratum Lite (root required) and nonavbar.apk. Then open Substratum Lite. For me it applied the changes at this point and I just had to restart the phone but you might have to select the Nonavbar theme in substratum then thick the "Android System (Android [11])" checkbox click "1 SELECTED" then click "install selected". Restart and go back to this screen to "Enable selected".
All credit goes to @Veiran for this solution.

gsus said:
Permanent solution requires rooted phone and can be done like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/irs1eb
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How can I bring it back?
EDIT: Figured it out just change " 1 " to " 2 " (props qemu.hw.mainkeys 2)
EEDIT: I can't remove it back again once I did the (props qemu.hw.mainkeys 2), how can I remove it again?

MocnePifko said:
Another permanent solution I've been using since MIUI 12.5 update on my POCO is to install Substratum Lite (root required) and nonavbar.apk. Then open Substratum Lite. For me it applied the changes at this point and I just had to restart the phone but you might have to select the Nonavbar theme in substratum then thick the "Android System (Android [11])" checkbox click "1 SELECTED" then click "install selected". Restart and go back to this screen to "Enable selected".
All credit goes to @Veiran for this solution.
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Did this, works perfectly.

Hey guys,
There's a very simple method.
DON'T NEED ROOT!
1.Turn on the Gesture Navigation and keep the System Launcher default.
2. Remove all shortcuts from the system launcher, just put a shortcut to your favourite launcher.
Now, you can use it as normal, just needs 2 click for the home
BUT:
3.If you use the FNG (find in Play Store) along with the system navigation, you can set the Up Gesture (normally the Home) to launch your favourite launcher (mine is Total Launcher) and if you do the Home Gesture 99% your favourite launcher will come up
(1% you have to click on the shortcut on the system launcher).

avers said:
Hey guys,
There's a very simple method.
DON'T NEED ROOT!
1.Turn on the Gesture Navigation and keep the System Launcher default.
2. Remove all shortcuts from the system launcher, just put a shortcut to your favourite launcher.
Now, you can use it as normal, just needs 2 click for the home
BUT:
3.If you use the FNG (find in Play Store) along with the system navigation, you can set the Up Gesture (normally the Home) to launch your favourite launcher (mine is Total Launcher) and if you do the Home Gesture 99% your favourite launcher will come up
(1% you have to click on the shortcut on the system launcher)
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Thanks bro! Using this technique now.

Thanks OP
Worked for me on my Mi 11 running MIUI 12.5.9 Global ROM
Using Nova with Edge Gestures app

Any new method?

power menu editor - add flashlight

is there an app that I could do this?
google asst is too slow turning flashlight on.

Try using "quick tap". You can turn it on and off by tapping the back of the phone twice.
Settings > system > gestures > quick tap > choose toggle flashlight
You just need to turn your screen on first, but it works on lock screen

unfortunately, I'm already using that to pause music, but maybe I'll have to change that.

AOSP Mods

Was hoping not to bother with the whole custom ROM with this phone.
But I'll read thru as it does look interesting. Thanks,

I just remembered an app I used to use on my Pixel 5 that would probably work for what you want. I'm not sure if it works on Android 13 or not, but it should. I'll think I'll reinstall it as well. Probably on my 7pro too
SideSqueeze+ - Apps on Google Play
Squeeze, press, gestures, fingerprints, vibrations, remap S Pen & much more!
play.google.com

thanks. I'll give a look

doesn't seem to work with A13.

metropical said:
doesn't seem to work with A13.
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Did you run the adb command? You can find it in "help" on the app

I did. Should I have restarted after?

I don't remember. Can't hurt

no joy. tried a few different methods. I'd say it no longer likes the P5 with A13.