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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LeEco Le Pro3's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
4 stars? This camera is on par with phones from 5 years ago, especially when things get dark.
4 stars as well, better or equal than iPhone 7 but weaker than the likes of Pixel, Galaxy S7/S8, HTC. Tip: Just use Google Camera App.
Has anyone else seen a "haze" effect when shots are taken at night with the flash? I have tried multiple camera apps and they all produce the same effect. Whenever there is very low lighting and the flash is turned on I almost get this haze on every single photo. However if pitch black this does not happen and I get a perfect photo with flash as expected.
just use a custom nougat rom and modded google camera. then the camera is decent. 4 stars from me
This is 100% stock LEX727 on 21s update.
It was kind of foggy last night.
Ascertion said:
This is 100% stock LEX727 on 21s update.
It was kind of foggy last night.
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Install a nougat ROM and google camera enable auto hdr and be amazed!
The IMX298 takes some pretty sub-par night shots. I was trying to take pics of a half moon and full, hazy moon. Looked amazing to the naked eye but the Pro3 Elite couldn't capture the full details of the moon, unfortunately. See here:
https://ibb.co/hguYaG
https://ibb.co/hOoRvG <---- My best night shot with this phone to date
https://ibb.co/fBsmvG
I'm using an unrooted phone with unmodified Gcam (for 6.0) and VSCO. I also tried Open Camera but it's not as good. I wonder if Camera2 API makes a difference for low light and night shots.
sk8223 said:
The IMX298 takes some pretty sub-par night shots. I was trying to take pics of a half moon and full, hazy moon. Looked amazing to the naked eye but the Pro3 Elite couldn't capture the full details of the moon, unfortunately. See here:
https://ibb.co/hguYaG
https://ibb.co/hOoRvG <---- My best night shot with this phone to date
https://ibb.co/fBsmvG
I'm using an unrooted phone with unmodified Gcam (for 6.0) and VSCO. I also tried Open Camera but it's not as good. I wonder if Camera2 API makes a difference for low light and night shots.
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So why you going to complain when this is related everywhere and we'll known. This is also why a lot of people root just to install gcam. To get a better camera experience. Judging by your comments you know this already.
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So why you going to complain when this is related everywhere and we'll known. This is also why a lot of people root just to install gcam. To get a better camera experience. Judging by your comments you know this already.
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It does a worse job in low light than the Zenfone 3, which has the same sensor and a poorer processor (Snapdragon 625).
Use Open Camera for low light the app makes it bright
A phone is a phone camera phone all of them have a tiny tiny sensor.
No professional or semi professional would use a camera phone for their work.
Phone camera are for those quick friends pictures when you may not have camera.
I do wildlife photography I would never use this phone for that.
This camera an fair to camera.
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mchlbenner said:
A phone is a phone camera phone all of them have a tiny tiny sensor.
No professional or semi professional would use a camera phone for their work.
Phone camera are for those quick friends pictures when you may not have camera.
I do wildlife photography I would never use this phone for that.
This camera an fair to camera.
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A lot of smartphone sensors are just getting better and better, sometimes on par with older DSLRs. The Pixel 2, for example. As the Pixel line's Visual Core chip, and smartphone sensors in general continue improving, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use a smartphone for some professional photography in the future.
Obviously a Pixel 2 doesn't compare to a $20k Hasselblad, but it's an interesting comparison nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTnYi_HW2o
Google Camera 4.4 HDR+ or Gcam 5.1 also works on Nougat and Oreo should do good job even in low light
It's below average at this point. It was already far behind the Oneplus 3 or Mi5s in 2016 in low light.
I compared it to the iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, Redmi Pro (same sensor as Redmi Note 4) and LG V30. The Le Pro 3 only beats the Redmi Pro in low light but it's not a huge victory. Even the 2015 iPhone 6s Plus is muuuch better.
The Redmi Note 5 is likely much better with its much improved camera.
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It's below average at this point. It was already far behind the Oneplus 3 or Mi5s in 2016 in low light.
I compared it to the iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, Redmi Pro (same sensor as Redmi Note 4) and LG V30. The Le Pro 3 only beats the Redmi Pro in low light but it's not a huge victory. Even the 2015 iPhone 6s Plus is muuuch better.
The Redmi Note 5 is likely much better with its much improved camera.
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It uses the same sensor as op3 & 3t but just lacks OIS. It's not really behind OP3/3T in hardware level. So, the only difference is the software and if you use a custom ROM with right GCam 5 port with right settings, you can actually take some really good photos even in low light conditions.
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It uses the same sensor as op3 & 3t but just lacks OIS. It's not really behind OP3/3T in hardware level. So, the only difference is the software and if you use a custom ROM with right GCam 5 port with right settings, you can actually take some really good photos even in low light conditions.
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I find it a shame that most who have smartphone lepro3 does not dare to post their photos taken in low light with the Google camera application to prove that it is not at all bad compared to other smartphones.
I share the link of my photos https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNwEVDBueDHV0JINHqdoKWIIxdPbihOOz3DwoSbztu_Hn5s0KxCCKI7Jb8sf_YTIg?key=dklud2xhd09oRHlHWnY5NE43S1Z3VVVyMFNqVXpn
I put the link photos taken with the samsung galaxy 7 edge to compare the photos of day and night compared to the quality of snapshots taken with gcam 6.1.021 with our smartphone lepro3.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNwEVDBueDHV0JINHqdoKWIIxdPbihOOz3DwoSbztu_Hn5s0KxCCKI7Jb8sf_YTIg?key=dklud2xhd09oRHlHWnY5NE43S1Z3VVVyMFNqVXpn
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I put the link photos taken with the samsung galaxy 7 edge to compare the photos of day and night compared to the quality of snapshots taken with gcam 6.1.021 with our smartphone lepro3.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNwEVDBueDHV0JINHqdoKWIIxdPbihOOz3DwoSbztu_Hn5s0KxCCKI7Jb8sf_YTIg?key=dklud2xhd09oRHlHWnY5NE43S1Z3VVVyMFNqVXpn
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Your comparisons are awesome! I have one question though. On some le pro 3 photos of yours there is information Huawei x722 - that would be input model of Huawei in gcam settings, but what about google LEX722? Is it pixel II in the input settings?
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Your comparisons are awesome! I have one question though. On some le pro 3 photos of yours there is information Huawei x722 - that would be input model of Huawei in gcam settings, but what about google LEX722? Is it pixel II in the input serrings?
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Precisely by setting in nexup 6p input we have the name of Huawei x722 with the version I put online.
I also installed a version of cstark27 and put the settings on pixel 3xl
https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/LGN2_MGC_6.1.021_MI8_V1d.apk
is for that in the exif is displayed google lex722.
Hello @Arnova8G2,
I saw your work with the Google Camera Mod for various phones and I just want to say impressive work! I am using the Huawei P20 Pro and absolutely hates the Front Camera functionality. Tried to download your file to use on my phone but was unable to do so. When I try downloading it is says there as a problem parsing the package. Do you by any chance know if it would work with the P20 Pro? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.
Dear @Arnova8G2 & @miniuser123,
I had S8 and you do fantastic job porting Pixel Xl 2 camera to all SD845 phones. And some other make port for LGV30 dual camera - rear camera and second wide angle camera.
Please make Pixel Xl 2 camera port for Huawei P20 Pro for 40MP, 10MP and camera zoom 3x, 5x.
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Dear @Arnova8G2 & @miniuser123,
I had S8 and you do fantastic job porting Pixel Xl 2 camera to all SD845 phones. And some other make port for LGV30 dual camera - rear camera and second wide angle camera.
Please make Pixel Xl 2 camera port for Huawei P20 Pro for 40MP, 10MP and camera zoom 3x, 5x.
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It makes absolutely no sense to do 40MP. It's the inferior mode, and processing overhead would be insane for HDR, even with full optimisation (which you'll never see on a port). It wouldn't work.
Only 10MP makes sense.
5x is a hybrid zoom. You'd need the Huawei software. Google Camera currently has no such functionality. Not that it supports any optical zoom (3x) by default either.
You can perhaps hope for 10MP with working HDR+ and front camera. Anything else? I'd say it's completely unrealistic / unnecessary.
After the software updates, the only thing I'd really see Google Camera as being useful for is the front camera and / or for AOSP when that becomes stable on the P20 Pro. But by then, a working port of Huawei Camera on the P20/Pro is quite likely - or at least more likely, and certainly more desirable than a Google Camera port.
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It makes absolutely no sense to do 40MP. It's the inferior mode, and processing overhead would be insane for HDR, even with full optimisation (which you'll never see on a port). It wouldn't work.
Only 10MP makes sense.
5x is a hybrid zoom. You'd need the Huawei software. Google Camera currently has no such functionality. Not that it supports any optical zoom (3x) by default either.
You can perhaps hope for 10MP with working HDR+ and front camera. Anything else? I'd say it's completely unrealistic / unnecessary.
After the software updates, the only thing I'd really see Google Camera as being useful for is the front camera and / or for AOSP when that becomes stable on the P20 Pro. But by then, a working port of Huawei Camera on the P20/Pro is quite likely - or at least more likely, and certainly more desirable than a Google Camera port.
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Yes, I am just hoping for the Front Camera to have the same Portrait Mode as the Google Camera as the Beauty Mode post-processing is through the roof even with it turned to zero. I am just hoping to use the Front Camera I have on the P20 to achieve the same Portrait result as I did from the Pixel 2 XL. Everything else about the P20 camera I can live with. Thank you.
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Hello @Arnova8G2,
I saw your work with the Google Camera Mod for various phones and I just want to say impressive work! I am using the Huawei P20 Pro and absolutely hates the Front Camera functionality. Tried to download your file to use on my phone but was unable to do so. When I try downloading it is says there as a problem parsing the package. Do you by any chance know if it would work with the P20 Pro? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.
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Yes! Finally someone who has the same struggle as I have!
P20 pro is a pretty expensive phone and I am beginning to feel disappointed with the less than stellar quality of its front camera.
I know that its a fixed focus lens on the front but how come Gogle Pixel was able to implement a sharp shooter front camera with a fixed focus? To think that it has 24 Megapixels?!?! Such a scam
Archer Casio said:
Yes! Finally someone who has the same struggle as I have!
P20 pro is a pretty expensive phone and I am beginning to feel disappointed with the less than stellar quality of its front camera.
I know that its a fixed focus lens on the front but how come Gogle Pixel was able to implement a sharp shooter front camera with a fixed focus? To think that it has 24 Megapixels?!?! Such a scam
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I don't think you understand what scam means.
Also, whilst not ideal, I suggest you learn how to work with fixed focus. You will not get bad results with it if you do, now that 'beauty' is in check.
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I don't think you understand what scam means.
Also, whilst not ideal, I suggest you learn how to work with fixed focus. You will not get bad results with it if you do, now that 'beauty' is in check.
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Hi @mudnightoil,
sorry for the rather strong term that I used. But yes, I have been trying to learn some workarounds with a fixed focus front camera. It's just that, it's difficult to adjust because I was just so used to autofocus front cameras like Asus Selfie. I just feel like the 24 megapixel camera of the p20 pro is a wasted potential.
Another argument that I have is with Google Pixel's 8 mp fixed focus lens producing more vivid and sharper selfies than P20 pro's 24 mp.
Both the background and the foreground are sharp. Dynamic range is better! I mean come on! I really hope it could be fixed via software update very soon!
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Archer Casio said:
Hi @mudnightoil,
sorry for the rather strong term that I used. But yes, I have been trying to learn some workarounds with a fixed focus front camera. It's just that, it's difficult to adjust because I was just so used to autofocus front cameras like Asus Selfie. I just feel like the 24 megapixel camera of the p20 pro is a wasted potential.
Another argument that I have is with Google Pixel's 8 mp fixed focus lens producing more vivid and sharper selfies than P20 pro's 24 mp.
Both the background and the foreground are sharp. Dynamic range is better! I mean come on! I really hope it could be fixed via software update very soon!
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Other than the shortcomings of the front camera, I have no other complaints with the P20 pro.
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Yes, I am just hoping for the Front Camera to have the same Portrait Mode as the Google Camera as the Beauty Mode post-processing is through the roof even with it turned to zero. I am just hoping to use the Front Camera I have on the P20 to achieve the same Portrait result as I did from the Pixel 2 XL. Everything else about the P20 camera I can live with. Thank you.
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Same issue here ...the rear cameras are great ..but the front camera beautification is just too agressive even when set to zero . A google camera mod with HDR+ in just 10mp for rear camera and portrait enabled on both the front and rear will be really helpful .
someone has any idea what's changed on this camera mod?
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=898279&view=findpost&p=72790522
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/61dj4t0ca716v7a/P20ProCamera-Magisk15+.zip?dl=1
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someone has any idea what's changed on this camera mod?
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=898279&view=findpost&p=72790522
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/61dj4t0ca716v7a/P20ProCamera-Magisk15+.zip?dl=1
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Yeah I saw that too, and curious what's changed in that. I assume that you need to be rooted to flash that?
starbase64 said:
someone has any idea what's changed on this camera mod?
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=898279&view=findpost&p=72790522
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/61dj4t0ca716v7a/P20ProCamera-Magisk15+.zip?dl=1
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That's not a GCam port, that's to install the P20 Pro Camera software on a non-pro P20.
So far as I'm aware you'll need the libs to get it to work properly.
Tbh the pro has a monster camera set up.
The 40mp is more for landscape pics, the 10 for point and shoot.
the selfie cam has been great for me so far.
But then I've only had it since 11am 24th may so I'm sure I'll find some issues.
The rear cameras are great and on average they take better pictures than my Pixel 2. I also end up with pictures that I just otherwise would never have been able to capture with another cameraphone. There are some downsides though where I would love to use a hypothetical GCam port. Outdoor photography is a chore thanks to the auto "greenery" AI thing that cranks the saturation. The 10 MP auto mode also oversharpens like crazy. Pro mode is sometimes useful, but you lose things like HDR or aperture simulation which are lame tradeoffs.
The biggest issue for me though is the front camera, which is completely unusable thanks to the beauty mode that can't actually be fully disabled. I'm using Retrica right now which works pretty well but you lose the nice aperture/bokeh simulation of the P20 camera app. Small price to pay for a human looking face, but anyway that's mainly why I'm hoping for a GCam port.
I am very interested in development. Maybe it's possible.
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So far as I'm aware you'll need the libs to get it to work properly.
Tbh the pro has a monster camera set up.
The 40mp is more for landscape pics, the 10 for point and shoot.
the selfie cam has been great for me so far.
But then I've only had it since 11am 24th may so I'm sure I'll find some issues.
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I've tested the 40MP on everything... it's fantastic. The detail I get out of each picture is a huge step up even from my old DSLR. Granted, I did not have an expensive lens, but the processing power on this phone easily surpasses that camera!
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I've tested the 40MP on everything... it's fantastic. The detail I get out of each picture is a huge step up even from my old DSLR. Granted, I did not have an expensive lens, but the processing power on this phone easily surpasses that camera!
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Lovely, perhaps the lineage ROM in the development section may be able to use it?
sarichter said:
I've tested the 40MP on everything... it's fantastic. The detail I get out of each picture is a huge step up even from my old DSLR. Granted, I did not have an expensive lens, but the processing power on this phone easily surpasses that camera!
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very unusual on fw 120 and previous
we get best results with 10mpx AI OFF
what do you set when you shot 40mpx?
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saturnspike said:
The rear cameras are great and on average they take better pictures than my Pixel 2. I also end up with pictures that I just otherwise would never have been able to capture with another cameraphone. There are some downsides though where I would love to use a hypothetical GCam port. Outdoor photography is a chore thanks to the auto "greenery" AI thing that cranks the saturation. The 10 MP auto mode also oversharpens like crazy. Pro mode is sometimes useful, but you lose things like HDR or aperture simulation which are lame tradeoffs.
The biggest issue for me though is the front camera, which is completely unusable thanks to the beauty mode that can't actually be fully disabled. I'm using Retrica right now which works pretty well but you lose the nice aperture/bokeh simulation of the P20 camera app. Small price to pay for a human looking face, but anyway that's mainly why I'm hoping for a GCam port.
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I also agree for the front camera pics quality
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very unusual on fw 120 and previous
we get best results with 10mpx AI OFF
what do you set when you shot 40mpx?
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The 10MP mode is superior in almost any setting. Hence why it's the default mode. That the 40MP mode is even exposed is mainly for marketing reasons.
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The 10MP mode is superior in almost any setting. Hence why it's the default mode. That the 40MP mode is even exposed is mainly for marketing reasons.
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That's not the case at all from my experience comparing 10 vs 40 vs 3x zoom in various situations.
In low light, 40mp is poor, but in well lit places, 40mp is far more detailed, less over-sharpened, and significantly nicer overall.
It's generally less processed, and HDR etc doesn't seem to be enabled on it, but it's certainly not inferior to 10mp in general, but is occasionally.
If you want to do any post processing, the 40mp is probably better in general... though I guess few would want to do this!
I'd like to get the best from my beloved 3T camera.
I currently use both LOS (v16.1) camera and OpenCamera (1.43.3).
The former is for "normal" pictures, the latter is for HDR and/or lossless (raw DNSG).
But I have no idea on how the original OOS camera would perform and compare with the other ones as I've never run OOS on my device.
I'd like to know more from whoever has experience and possibly with an answer more elaborated than "use this" or "use that".
Thanks in advance.
OOS Camera is okay for most situation, but Google Camera mod is better for high contrast scene and night shot, just a bit slower on oneplus 3T.
GCam still my first choice as main camera app to use.
crazymika said:
OOS Camera is okay for most situation, but Google Camera mod is better for high contrast scene and night shot, just a bit slower on oneplus 3T.
GCam still my first choice as main camera app to use.
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I'll give that a try too. Thanks.
For natural clicks and fast response OOS is best, for low light condition Gcam is better.
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
Chippelchen said:
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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Why you make a new topic about this because its been talked about and some hate it but many love it. But why focus on words when you can judge for your self when you go to places like flickr and see how each phone takes them photo's
Chippelchen said:
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The point and shoot is second to none.
The pro and night modes are both second to none..
Telephoto lens is superb
Only thing is say ia better is HDR on the pixel.
Besides that the p20 Pro stands alone. Even against late 2018 phones.
Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
If you don't know how to tame it, you will not like it. But if you can tame it and know the capabilities and limitations of the sensor, you will love it!
I'm having a blast with it, because i know how it works inside out and now i can push it to it's limits.
/ Magnus
I love it
The thing I don't like is that I often get blurry images if I point and shoot
Hello,
For "HDR" effect, yu can use "night mode" in the day time. Otherwise I love the camera... competely... Have been using this phone on daily bases for 3 months and I'm astonished.
Here are some pictures - point and shoot
https://imgur.com/a/wcyZP4q
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Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
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You got your hands on Pixel 3 already? Weird I thought they're not supposed to deliver until sometime later.
Not at all, There is a entire thread showing the amazing photos this phone can deliver, this phone camera is versatile, it has the best nightmode out there, the best zoom, and the main 40mp sensor can capture a lot of detail, Last night i manage to take a photo of a lighting (https://i.imgur.com/32TxPqG.jpg).
a flicker with P20 pro photos :
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Yea, i love the P20 pro camera and night mode is freaking awesome! Only negative things i can think off is no stabilization on 4k video and the selfie cam could be a bit better but besides these 2 i think this camera is pretty much the best you can get right now for a cheap price.
for me it doesn't matter what i read or what other peoples say.
The camera of this phone is insane. Especially the night mode. Never saw something like this. Night shots looks brighter than with the human eye?
The only thing i don't like is the post processing of the camera app (oversharpening)
P20 Pro camera is neither bad, nor cheap, but both of those are highly subjective opinions. And you know what they say about opinions....
I am enjoying mine very much.
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The front/selfie camera is what most people are complaining about, esp. the color saturation. It gives a plasticy color to human skin.
The main camera is superb.
The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
achour7 said:
The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
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I cannot second that. The only thing i can complain about is video recording.
Main shooter is more than capable to take great pics. It's incomparably better than op 7t.
The camera quality on this phone is really good. Anyone who says it's crap is objectively wrong.
The camera quality in the p20 pro still today better than many flagship, more than one year later, I compare the camera with the recents iPhone 11 pro max, pixel 4, mate 30 pro, samsung note 10, and it's nothing to envy of them, the kirin 970 is slower in games, but is smooth and very fast still
what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
Depend on the situation, with good daylight 40, 10 if you don't want big pictures files, for zoom, night and difficult light conditions better 10, normally I use 10, because Huawei optimized the software and the cams to work together in this setup, working main, telephoto and monochrome camera sensor together for improvement results
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what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
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Hello
For different reasons, I had to upgrade my vanilla S20 to vanilla S23 (though I was not entirely convinced to).
Although the phone runs incredibly smooth, the battery life is amazing, screen is the best I've ever seen, the most important phone aspect for me is the camera video and photo quality, especially during the daytime.
Videos are amazing from S23 and way better than S20's, especially in terms of stabilization.
However, the daylight photos, from all cameras leaves A LOT to be desired. No matter what photo is it - well lit room, landscape, greenery, plants, moving objects, from both main and Telephoto camera are noticeably WORSE than from S20 during daytime.
Photos are noisy as hell, does not have that much details and has too much oversharpening applied. Even using fake 1,1 "tele" lens from S20, the resolved details during the daytime are just better on S20, on all available zoom ranges. Oversharpening on S23 is so strong that it literally kills some finest details sometimes and makes all photos look artificial and unnatural. S20 photos, compared to S23 look as if it S20 was from far future compared to S23.
I am incredibly disappointed as I was expecting A LOT more from phone of that kind. S20 photos are just amazing and I expected something either similar or better.
Is there any way to reduce the oversharpening and smoothen the photos so that they are not that noisy? Or maybe force S20's camera algorithms to S23?
Expert RAW is a no go for me as it takes too much time to play with to take photo. It also processes these photos too much.
Thanks,
Maciej
I came from pixel 7 and I am also dissaponted a lot from the camera although I wouldn't say my photos have noise. It's this Overusaturation that Samsung does( I have turned off scene optimizer) that gets on my nerves. Also night photos are not good. I'm thinking of switching back to pixel.
Download the Camera Assistant software from the Galaxy Store. There you can adjust the softening of your images.
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Download the Camera Assistant software from the Galaxy Store. There you can adjust the softening of your images.
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I have it and I see only option for automatic hdr and where to give priority, speed or quality
Is there a Google cam available?
ermacwins said:
Is there a Google cam available?
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There is: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/gcam-port.4553443/
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Download the Camera Assistant software from the Galaxy Store. There you can adjust the softening of your images.
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Wow, thank you for reply!
I've been looking for something like this, although I'm not entirely convinced if there are enough options regarding eg. noise. Nevertheless, I will surely try it out and share my findings
Kindest regards,
Maciej
I have played with the Camera Assistant app and it helped a little bit indeed, but the quality is still far from perfect.
No matter what "Smoothening" level I select, there is still visible noise, but more or less "smudged" based on "Smoothening" settings. Finest details are also lost when any "Smoothening" is enabled (even the medium option).
Although there is some visible changes with Camera Assistant, I still preffer S20's photos as they are both detailed and noise-free.
I hope Samsung improves the Camera, because this is not what people should expect from the top tier Android flagships. Too bad is that March security patch does NOT include any Camera improvements.
You can also try to switch off Scene Optimizer or use Pro mode to take photos
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You can also try to switch off Scene Optimizer or use Pro mode to take photos
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Thank you for your reply.
Scene optimizer has been off since I first launched the camera. On pro mode the results are moreless the same - very noisy and tons of artificial oversharpening.
I've had an opportunity to compare my shots from last year's S22. I think there is less noise from S22 shots, so I believe this will get fixed by Samsung in the near future. BTW - S22's photos are still worse than my old S20's and that's the major reason I decided not to purchase S22 year ago.
I shoot and edit in RAW/DNG only. I like the S23 photo compared to my S21 phone.
Do you use Pro mode then?
Hi,
I have the same issue, as per the flagship tag, the photo quality is not that much great I would say.
Usually people taking photos just point and shoot no other special settings changes.
This camera taking 2 to 3MB picture with 12MP camera but too much noise and little blurry as well.
When I switch to 50MP 3:4mode then picture is capturing little sharpen as compared to the above 12MP camera, but it has very large size of picture around 8 to 12MB.
Even banana shape are also capturing specially on humans head.
I'm very disappointed with the camera.
If I talk about overall phone except camera then this is the best phone I have ever seen.
I don't know why every YouTuber is telling lie to us in camera department, they are saying camera is much better then the iPhone or Pixel but the real truth is this phone has very poor camera specially while capturing the photos.
My brother have Realme 9pro+ and he has taken photos on my daughter's birthday and I have taken also and I'm surprised when I saw the quality of his phone's camera photo, very sharp, no noise good quality and size is also not that much.
Thinking to buy pixel 7 or some other flagship kind of phone in exchange of this S23 because I don't this so Samsung will push the camera update on this as they are very much focused on 23ultra and they have bought every YouTuber mouth as well.
I'm very happy with the camera quality so far. This month we should receive a major camera update and it will get only better with time. I have compared the gcam output with the Samsung camera app and gcam is significantly worse. And yes I have used the config file as described.
I truly hope this match update will indeed improve the quality of the camera as this is simply bad now.
Moreover - I have also found many other issues as I keep using my S23 as a daily driver.
First - the video stabilization simply does not work. It did work once released and it was actually one of major improvements that made me amazed, but it seems like february (or march) security patch has simply destroyed this feature. The videos are completely without ANY kind of stabilization.
Second - I have noticed that the Super Slow Motion mode has a HUGE step back when compared to S20. I love this feature as this allows you, without any professional hardware, to capture interesting physical phenomenoms using just your phone, such as lighting up the lighter, break the glass/ice, or even see how the little bees' wings work. These kind of videos have always been unique to Samsung and I find them extremely interesting and I'm a huge fan of these.
While S20 did capture the real 960 frames for 1 second (quite a long of time for a smartphone), S23 captures only half a second and... it's certainly NOT 960 FPS, but rather 480 FPS artificially enriched to 960 FPS by the software.
The effect is that you can't see all the phenomenoms - bees are wingless, the glass breaks unnaturally (you clearly see it's more AI work than actual capture). I'm terribly disappointed.
Honestly I doubt this upcoming March camera patch will solve that many issues and I'm extremely disappointed that 1000 EUR phone is such a garbage in terms of camera. I agree with @Normas Interruptor
If I talk about overall phone except camera then this is the best phone I have ever seen.
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But the truth is that you can charge your battery if it's empty, you can still use the phone if it lag sometimes, you can play the games if you don't have full details. But you can't repair damaged and bad photo. Period.