I don't have the time to constantly be looking for new roms to make my phone run properly. My phone is always freezing up due to the stupid Touchwiz UI and I absolutely hate it. I am sick and tired of my phone freezing up and lagging constantly and having to do factory reset and reinstalling all my apps fresh.
So I was wondering, what can I do to fix this problem in a easier manner? I was thinking about rooting the phone, saving all my app data, unrooting, resetting the phone, rooting again, uninstall bloatware, reinstalling apps with their data, and unrooting.
Here are my concerns though. I want to be able to reset the phone using the orignal factory reset. I don't have time or care to install new roms on my phone as I want to keep my warranty and I want to be able to sell my phone in the future.
So what are my options here? What can I do and what are my steps to start doing them?
I am on AT&T Note 3 with kitkat 4.4.2 with my build number ending in NC2.
Is the Note 3 development this bad? Not one response in a couple days. Anyone have a simple answer?
I just want to know if I can factory reset if I root my device and how I could complete unroot.
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Is the Note 3 development this bad? Not one response in a couple days. Anyone have a simple answer?
I just want to know if I can factory reset if I root my device and how I could complete unroot.
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Simple answer is root with towelroot, and when you want to do a complete factory reset, flash stock NC2 using the guide in this thread.
I think your original question about what options you have is a little more complicated...rooting your phone technically voids your warranty, but if you're referring to the KNOX warranty flag then towelroot doesn't trip that flag. Reflashing stock NC2 with Odin will unroot your phone automatically so no worries there either. What I'm getting at is flashing roms isn't going to void your warranty any more than rooting with towelroot will, on the other hand uninstalling system apps can cause lots of problems, so you may find it easier to flash a near-stock rom that has the bloatware already removed.
But if you're set on not flashing anything, then I'd suggest using titanium backup to freeze any apps you don't want instead of uninstalling them. If you uninstall the wrong app you could end up having to do a factory reset anyway just to get your phone working again. Freezing system apps can cause problems too but it's generally easier to unfreeze an app than try and find and reinstall a system apk. And as tempting as it is don't uninstall My Magazine you'll get FC all over the place and your email won't work properly
So if I install that stock rom, would I be able to update my phone using the internal updater? I just want to be able to install Android 5.0 when/if it comes out for the Note 3. Seeing how AT&T note 3 has little to no roms to install. Very disappointing.
The Odin files in that thread are for stock NC2 and unless you flashed a rom after your second post you're still on stock...it's the exact same AT&T stock build...flashing it won't really benefit you at all unless you rooted and made changes to your system. I assume by internal updater you mean the OTA updates that get pushed out from AT&T then yes since that is the official AT&T build if you flash it you will still get those updates provided AT&T is your carrier. There may not be a lot of roms but the ones we have are great I'd encourage you to try one or two there are a couple "debloated" stock roms I think would give you what you're looking for in terms of stability but of course it's up to you if you just want to stay stock
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So if I install that stock rom, would I be able to update my phone using the internal updater? I just want to be able to install Android 5.0 when/if it comes out for the Note 3. Seeing how AT&T note 3 has little to no roms to install. Very disappointing.
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Wow... just... wow.
This POST is disappointing.
I'm on the same boat as you OP. When time comes for a new phone, my next phone will never be another Samsung phone again. I will only consider phones that are close to stock. Most likely Motorola X or Sony Z3 Compact or similar.
TouchWiz is so disappointing. It's slow and creates lags even for just checking what time it is.
Fortunately I have some time so unlike OP, I tried debloating stock rom, tried at least 5 custom roms. Most of the custom roms have either too much theme customization (really not my taste) or something else doesn't work (NFC payment or deep sleep or some other thing). And they all claim super duper fast and rock stable, but those are hyperboles. The only time I experienced one rom being faster than the other was with Galaxy S5 port rom, but that was most likely due to the fact that standby mode is disabled because we have no way to update the firmware. In other words, uses more battery but still lasts a day. Also, I never seen the battery last exceptionally longer than the stock rom, so don't trust the super long lasting battery claims.
The easiest way to get your phone run smoothly is to factory reset it, and then only install select apps that you really need and know that it won't be a resource hog reporting your every move.
Oh, and last year's Moto X (dual core) feels faster than a quad core Note3 for everyday task in my hands. I wish we had a google experience rom for n900a.
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The Odin files in that thread are for stock NC2 and unless you flashed a rom after your second post you're still on stock...it's the exact same AT&T stock build...flashing it won't really benefit you at all unless you rooted and made changes to your system. I assume by internal updater you mean the OTA updates that get pushed out from AT&T then yes since that is the official AT&T build if you flash it you will still get those updates provided AT&T is your carrier. There may not be a lot of roms but the ones we have are great I'd encourage you to try one or two there are a couple "debloated" stock roms I think would give you what you're looking for in terms of stability but of course it's up to you if you just want to stay stock
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Could you link me to some stock roms? I lost my game in rom finding and can't seem to get a good running/looking rom.
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Wow... just... wow.
This POST is disappointing.
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Most useless post of the year goes to......
joshlete said:
Could you link me to some stock roms? I lost my game in rom finding and can't seem to get a good running/looking rom.
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UR Droid is probably the closest to stock...Knox removed, sd card write permissions fixed, etc. are the only mods...that said carl's made a ton of flashable zips too so if you did want to start making mods yourself chances are you won't have any problems while running his rom
FireKat is one you've probably run across. That is a stock rom all of the mods/optimizations/etc mega makes are from other stock builds. There's no theming or anything like that it's more like "TouchWiz optimized"...again nothing extraneous added if you want to add tethering, call recording, etc you'll have to do it yourself. FireKat is geared towards speed and battery life but it's rock solid with no known issues. All of the rom updates you see are for performance improvements as opposed to the majority of the aosp-hybrid or heavily themed roms where updates are for bug fixes.
Both devs are really helpful and responsive definitely check out their threads though since I'm not up to date with both roms. I have flashed both of them at some point and both are significant improvements over stock...of course no one can tell you what roms you'll like or should flash but I'd be pretty surprised if you have a better experience on stock than either of these roms.
I've been running a stock rooted 4.4.2 for months and it was not laggy at all.
In the application manager settings I turned off all bloatware apps that I did not use. I froze (with titanium backup) all bloatware that could not be turned off in settings and also froze anything that says "knox" in the title. I used xposed installer to install many modules that allowed me to tweak my stock rom... including greenify to auto hibernate apps, smart booster to manage ram, boot manager, and also Wanam xposed for ui customizing...
My phone has run extremely well.
I just made the jump to 4.4.4 and got it rooted (thanks to @muniz_ri and a few others).... exact same setup again... stock rooted... turn off and freeze un-needed apps... xposed modules... and again it is running nice and smooth.
I also use nova launcher prime because it feels more responsive and does more things that I want (like a home screen that will autorotate to landscape mode).
Wow, that's a lot to have for being stock .
The only way to get rid most of your concerns is to root your phone. Then you can delete all other useless apps that you don't need and slow your phone down a bit.
But installing a new Rom is the best way to have a peace in mind I think. Dynamic KitKat is one of the best roms for our phone. I've been using it for months and there is nothing I can say how much I like it. Sometimes I experience lag, but that is to be expected because of Android's ability to do multitasks.
Just my 2 cents.
I just bought the developer edition for verizon. I unlocked the bootloader successfully, i installed twrp is cmd and it said it installed successfully. I did not, however, open twrp immediately, which may be the problem. because if i go into download mode and click on recovery, nothing happens, my phone just goes black, like it powers off.
I tried opening cmd window again and installing again, only now the cmd window says the device is not connected, even though it is, or says it can't load the file. and ive tried twrp and cwm.
Is it because when i got the phone it was already on 4.4.4?
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I just bought the developer edition for verizon. I unlocked the bootloader successfully, i installed twrp is cmd and it said it installed successfully. I did not, however, open twrp immediately, which may be the problem. because if i go into download mode and click on recovery, nothing happens, my phone just goes black, like it powers off.
I tried opening cmd window again and installing again, only now the cmd window says the device is not connected, even though it is, or says it can't load the file. and ive tried twrp and cwm.
Is it because when i got the phone it was already on 4.4.4?
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no that does not matter because you are able to unlock your bootloader so android version dose not matter.
when installing your recovery you are running the CMD commands with your phone in bootloader mode correct.
if you are in bootloader mode and still having issues here are a couple things you can try.
1. Restart the phone
2. try a different USB port
3. restart ADB
4. Check drivers
you already know this but once you flash your recovery make sure you boot into the recovery before booting back into android.
if you get it installed Root is simple just download the SuperSU flashable zip and flash it via your custom recovery.
lmk if you are still having issues and we will look into other issues
thanks!
I ended up deleting everything (adb, sdk, fastboot, etc) and redownloading everything. So that got me able to install twrp, but when i tried to boot into recovery it would turn off the phone. Then I realized that in download mode you scroll down to recovery, then hit vol up to select. I am coming from galaxy nexus where the power button is select. So was i figured this out, i got into twrp and installed superuser, so i am rooted now. Time to find a 4.4.4 rom (may have to wait for a stable one since its pretty new) so i can get rid of all this bloatware. I can freeze some of it in titanium, but a lot of it I'm not sure what it does, again, Ive been on samsung for the past 5 years lol. Thanks again for the help.
4.4.4 isn't new. If you want all the Motorola features, stick with a stock-based rom or stock. I prefer stock with Xposed.
Being on vzw, I would recommend Krypton. It's based off the Verizon image and has a lot of bloatware removed. Xposed will get you about all the customizations you might want past that.
i was looking in the 'Original' development section an saw mostly 442 roms so i assumed 444 was new and didnt have stable roms yet, but now i know where to look and will probably try the krypton rom. gna have to look into xposed and learn what its about since i never used it before.
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i was looking in the 'Original' development section an saw mostly 442 roms so i assumed 444 was new and didnt have stable roms yet, but now i know where to look and will probably try the krypton rom. gna have to look into xposed and learn what its about since i never used it before.
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Right now Android L or 5.0 Roms are New and buggy. Most 4.4.2 and 4.4.4 roms are stable.
Me personally i like Stock with Xposed and gravity box installed, then i use Titanium Backup there is a battery thread somewhere that list what can and can't be removed. just be careful what you remove or you will end up like me with no active display but everything else about my phone is perfect so i dont want to go back to stock and redo everything.
after xposed and TBU i normally find a launcher i like, then maybe a lock screen but i think i ended up with stock. then i find a Text MSG app i like and other little add-ons to make my phone just for me.
here us a list of what i am running on my Stock Sprint 4.4.4\
LockScreen - Stock but tweaked with GravityBox
Launcher - Google Now Launcher
Text App - Google's Messenger App
Gesture Shortcut Menu - Lazy Swipe( i just found this app about a week ago and so far i love it, it allows me to have a very clean homescreen)
everything else changed on my phone is done threw Xposed and gravity Box.
Here are some App's you might want to check out.
AirDroid
Google Calender(if you use a calendar)
Google Keyboard(my keyboard of choice)
GSam Battery Monitor
Lazy Swipe(listed above)
Lucky Patcher(for thous pesky trial apps)
Pushbullet( alternative app for transferring all kinds of files to and from your device)
Zedge(ringtones and wallpapers)
I also attached some screenshots nothing fancy like i said but i love it and its perfect for me
The first one is my lockscreen, second one is my launcher homescreen, Third one is Lazy Swipe just one of the three tabs.
anyways hope this helps get you started post your setup once you get everything set up to your liking
Good Luck
what is that clock/weather widget? Thats pretty sick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/themes-apps/droid-turbo-circle-widget-moto-x-t2941506
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/themes-apps/droid-turbo-circle-widget-moto-x-t2941506
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yup that is correct enjoy
error while flashing recovry in cmd ....
I have already unlock bootloader successfuly... But when i try to flash custome recovery in fastboot mode with cmd it shows error....
I have tried on different laptops but same ....
Already instlall all drivers ...
Pls help me what to do......!!
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I have already unlock bootloader successfuly... But when i try to flash custome recovery in fastboot mode with cmd it shows error....
I have tried on different laptops but same ....
Already instlall all drivers ...
Pls help me what to do......!!
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well first thing when u are posting for help you need to include more info. Like for starters what error are you getting so we can figure out what you are doing wrong. post your error and we will go from there.
Thanks
Hi, I have been seeing significant lag of my phone and various times to the point that my phone becomes inoperable for a period of time and after the phone recovers it never goes back to full speed., I have to restart. I'm stock not rooted anymore and recently formatted and started from scratch but see no improvement. This is especially annoying when running android auto at which point the phone and the app barely work. Any suggestions? I don't think its a better thing because i had it happen at 60 and at 40 though definitely see it more at 40 or less. Is there a good way to see what app might be causing this?
Install a different kernel. Stock is garbage
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I don't think k I want to root again.
You don't need root to install a custom kernel. In fact you don't even need to install TWRP. Using ADB you can flash the custom kernel. Just make sure you have USB debugging enabled in Developer Options and make sure your bootloader is unlocked.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
You don't need root to install a custom kernel. In fact you don't even need to install TWRP. Using ADB you can flash the custom kernel. Just make sure you have USB debugging enabled in Developer Options and make sure your bootloader is unlocked.
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Same exact issue here. F*** Google for screwing up our stock phones and not fixing them. What would you suggest for a kernal and rom. It has been a long time since I was rooted with a custom rom but I can't take this for another day.
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Same exact issue here. F*** Google for screwing up our stock phones and not fixing them. What would you suggest for a kernal and rom. It has been a long time since I was rooted with a custom rom but I can't take this for another day.
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Hello... I think all ROMs perform the same in term of fluidity and speed. Some have different features and customization options. I run Pure Nexus on my N6, N6P and Pixel XL. All use ElementalX kernel. I like this configuration. But there is a lot of different possibilities.
I suggest you to look at the forum and read a little bit the first posts of the different ROMs/kernels and see what they have to offer. :good:
Good luck...
I've had this same exact issue. I thought about switching back to MM because I had great battery life on MM. I also thought about flashing Franco Kernel and go from there. It is one that has the option to hide that the bootloader is unlocked. I don't really want to have my bootloader unlocked, and I don't think I can make changes to the kernel easily without having it rooted, something else I also don't want to do. Maybe MM is the best option. Google is still sending out security updates for MM.
Well problem solved I should say. Used nexus root kit to root and install Pure nexus. Only issue I had was I had a gapps from 2015 that crashed everything so I reinstalled with a new gapps. Working great and the speed is back.
Then unless you wanted an old copy, you downloaded the wrong version of Pure Nexus. The latest version includes the Google apps in the ROM, eliminating the need to flash a GApps package.
Hi, I've been using my Moto G Titan (dual-sim) for about 4 years now, mostly with custom rom the whole time (CM 12.1 back then). I upgraded to a Moto G3 TE (and used custom roms from xda here) over a year ago. So then on this phone (titan) I updated the firmware and ROM and passed it on to my wife. I put on Viper OS 7.1.2 on it and initially it was working great. Over time though it increasingly slowed down and clearing the cache and such didn't seem to help (my wife didn't really complain much because she never liked using smart phones anyway and she just thought it *has* to be a poor user experience). I also had my phone (Moto G3 TE) stolen about a month ago, so while I'm waiting to get a new phone my wife and I are sharing this phone (Titan) with two different accounts. Talk about sloooooooooow! So now I realize I REALLY need a different rom. Or is it possible the RAM or something is just old and no longer working right?
I've read on here that many people suggest downgrading to stock lollipop or something like that. Others suggest a custom Marshmallow rom. I honestly don't care too much what I downgrade to as long as the most common apps (gmail, facebook, whatsapp - ones for keeping in touch and getting work done, that sort of thing) are working. Oh, and pinterest, that's the one thing my wife loves. I would like to keep an OS version that allows me to used mixed storage (mixed between adopted/portable) if possible, because that helps me with the low amount of internal memory. But I can give that up if necessary, because above all I want it to be smooth, because this lag is ridiculous! Sometimes a phone call comes in and it's ringing but it takes so long for the screen that shows I can accept/reject the call to pop up that by then the caller has already hung up (like over 10 seconds sometimes)! So yeah, I really want a rom that's responsive again and can do those most basic apps.
My questions is: if I'm on ViperOS 7.1.2 and if lollipop or marshmallow (whether stock or custom) is best - then how do I downgrade to those? I have TWRP and root and all that on here already and I'd love it if I could just do it by TWRP since that'd be the easiest for me. But I'll do whatever I need to as long as I can truly understand the step-by-step directions and not brick this phone. (Since right now it's the ONLY phone my wife and I have to work with until I get a new one in another month or two... and even still I'd like my wife to be able to use this one more easily.) I read somewhere that if I have a newer firmware maybe I can't return directly to an older OS? Any information on how to switch OS without messing up my phone would help a lot!
So, please give me a suggestion as to which OS gives you great responsiveness/speed (doesn't lag you down for phone calls especially, but no lag on any other basic programs would also be great). And regarding the OS you suggest, please tell me what steps I need to take to switch/downgrade to it and/or anything else I need to do to keep it going fast. I found this post, but to be honest, it's just not very clear to me what I'd actually have to *do*: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/opinion-best-rom-experience-t3546088 So if you could give me a clear step-by-step guide (or point me to one or more threads/posts that I'd link the processes together), that'd be SUPER helpful! Thanks in advance for any help any of you can offer!
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Hi, I've been using my Moto G Titan (dual-sim) for about 4 years now, mostly with custom rom the whole time (CM 12.1 back then). I upgraded to a Moto G3 TE (and used custom roms from xda here) over a year ago. So then on this phone (titan) I updated the firmware and ROM and passed it on to my wife. I put on Viper OS 7.1.2 on it and initially it was working great. Over time though it increasingly slowed down and clearing the cache and such didn't seem to help (my wife didn't really complain much because she never liked using smart phones anyway and she just thought it *has* to be a poor user experience). I also had my phone (Moto G3 TE) stolen about a month ago, so while I'm waiting to get a new phone my wife and I are sharing this phone (Titan) with two different accounts. Talk about sloooooooooow! So now I realize I REALLY need a different rom. Or is it possible the RAM or something is just old and no longer working right?
I've read on here that many people suggest downgrading to stock lollipop or something like that. Others suggest a custom Marshmallow rom. I honestly don't care too much what I downgrade to as long as the most common apps (gmail, facebook, whatsapp - ones for keeping in touch and getting work done, that sort of thing) are working. Oh, and pinterest, that's the one thing my wife loves. I would like to keep an OS version that allows me to used mixed storage (mixed between adopted/portable) if possible, because that helps me with the low amount of internal memory. But I can give that up if necessary, because above all I want it to be smooth, because this lag is ridiculous! Sometimes a phone call comes in and it's ringing but it takes so long for the screen that shows I can accept/reject the call to pop up that by then the caller has already hung up (like over 10 seconds sometimes)! So yeah, I really want a rom that's responsive again and can do those most basic apps.
My questions is: if I'm on ViperOS 7.1.2 and if lollipop or marshmallow (whether stock or custom) is best - then how do I downgrade to those? I have TWRP and root and all that on here already and I'd love it if I could just do it by TWRP since that'd be the easiest for me. But I'll do whatever I need to as long as I can truly understand the step-by-step directions and not brick this phone. (Since right now it's the ONLY phone my wife and I have to work with until I get a new one in another month or two... and even still I'd like my wife to be able to use this one more easily.) I read somewhere that if I have a newer firmware maybe I can't return directly to an older OS? Any information on how to switch OS without messing up my phone would help a lot!
So, please give me a suggestion as to which OS gives you great responsiveness/speed (doesn't lag you down for phone calls especially, but no lag on any other basic programs would also be great). And regarding the OS you suggest, please tell me what steps I need to take to switch/downgrade to it and/or anything else I need to do to keep it going fast. I found this post, but to be honest, it's just not very clear to me what I'd actually have to *do*: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/opinion-best-rom-experience-t3546088 So if you could give me a clear step-by-step guide (or point me to one or more threads/posts that I'd link the processes together), that'd be SUPER helpful! Thanks in advance for any help any of you can offer!
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As you are currently running android nougat. I suggest you Cosmic Os 7.1.2 AOSP based.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-cosmic-os-t3576987
I've been using it over more than 2-3 months as my daily driver. It doesn't lag and 300+ RAM is always free with no apps open in background.
Still if you want to downgrade to marshmallow or lollipop, you'll have to do it using a PC or laptop.
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As you are currently running android nougat. I suggest you Cosmic Os 7.1.2 AOSP based.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-cosmic-os-t3576987
I've been using it over more than 2-3 months as my daily driver. It doesn't lag and 300+ RAM is always free with no apps open in background.
Still if you want to downgrade to marshmallow or lollipop, you'll have to do it using a PC or laptop.
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OK, that sounds like a good start! Thanks for your suggestion! I'll wait for a few more responses and info before I decide what route to try first. If I do want to downgrade, what method do I use from PC or laptop? I've used the quickboot/adb shell commands with no trouble before, but only because I've seen step-by-step guides that tell me *what* to put in the adb shell, etc. So, can you help give me a guide on how I'd downgrade or point me to one that has a downgrade that's really fast?
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OK, that sounds like a good start! Thanks for your suggestion! I'll wait for a few more responses and info before I decide what route to try first. If I do want to downgrade, what method do I use from PC or laptop? I've used the quickboot/adb shell commands with no trouble before, but only because I've seen step-by-step guides that tell me *what* to put in the adb shell, etc. So, can you help give me a guide on how I'd downgrade or point me to one that has a downgrade that's really fast?
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I don't recommend downgrading to Lollipop or Marshmallow as they lack RAM management and heat up the phone while gaming plus Ui is not that good. Android Nougat has better RAM management with fluid performance and battery backup is good as well.
Here's Stock Marshmallow TWRP backup thread and it's detailed enough so that you won't brick your phone
Take a Nandroid backup before.
First, what's the model of your Titan and country?
I think it's not a good idea to downgrade to older stock as it might lead to device getting bricked .... luckily I have never faced such as an issue as I always stick to custom ROMs for my Titan ....I request you to look up Titan downgrade brick stories and get a better idea about how to avoid it ....
Also have you tried using Aex 5.6 on your phone with evolution kernel? it used to work brilliantly on mine before I jumped on to renans los 16 pie builds
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I don't recommend downgrading to Lollipop or Marshmallow as they lack RAM management and heat up the phone while gaming plus Ui is not that good. Android Nougat has better RAM management with fluid performance and battery backup is good as well.
Here's Stock Marshmallow TWRP backup thread and it's detailed enough so that you won't brick your phone
Take a Nandroid backup before.
First, what's the model of your Titan and country?
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Thanks for the extra advice. You didn't actually include the link for the thread though. Were you just waiting for my model # (below)? But yes, I'm used to doing the Nandroid backups through TWRP so that's no challenge for me.
It's an XT1068. I bought it from Amazon US but I'm living in Madagascar and have used it here most the time I've had it. It's also worked for me in South Africa and USA though too.
Anyway, I'll appreciate the link to the stock marshmallow twrp backup thread, in case that's the route I decide to go! I won't be doing any gaming on it though (wife's phone) and just need it to work well enough for phone calls, messages, and other important aspects of life. And yeah, I like the newer UI, but if it's too slow, I can't do much with it! So I'll have to think about the other suggestions people have given here and also weigh it in with the possibility of downgrading to marshmallow with that detailed step-by-step so I won't brick my phone.
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I think it's not a good idea to downgrade to older stock as it might lead to device getting bricked .... luckily I have never faced such as an issue as I always stick to custom ROMs for my Titan ....I request you to look up Titan downgrade brick stories and get a better idea about how to avoid it ....
Also have you tried using Aex 5.6 on your phone with evolution kernel? it used to work brilliantly on mine before I jumped on to renans los 16 pie builds
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Thanks also for your advice. I've never been bricked either, but I don't want to start, especially since we're down to 1 phone in my family right now! If someone can tell me that downgrading is definitely way smoother (as I've seen written on a few threads here, but without detailed instructions on how to do it) and if they say I can do it without bricking, then I might take that route. I haven't tried AEX on this phone, though I was using it on my Moto G3 TE before it got stolen. So yeah, that's a good idea if you say it works great. Can you link to a thread for me? Particularly when you say "with evolution kernel"... in the past I don't think I've tried a different kernel for my rom, I've always just followed step-by-steps for flashing a custom rom and gapps, that sort of thing. So if I have to do an extra step for the evolution kernel, please also tell me how or where to find the thread about it. Thanks again for your help!
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Thanks for the extra advice. You didn't actually include the link for the thread though. Were you just waiting for my model # (below)? But yes, I'm used to doing the Nandroid backups through TWRP so that's no challenge for me.
It's an XT1068. I bought it from Amazon US but I'm living in Madagascar and have used it here most the time I've had it. It's also worked for me in South Africa and USA though too.
Anyway, I'll appreciate the link to the stock marshmallow twrp backup thread, in case that's the route I decide to go! I won't be doing any gaming on it though (wife's phone) and just need it to work well enough for phone calls, messages, and other important aspects of life. And yeah, I like the newer UI, but if it's too slow, I can't do much with it! So I'll have to think about the other suggestions people have given here and also weigh it in with the possibility of downgrading to marshmallow with that detailed step-by-step so I won't brick my phone.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/moto-g-indian-xt1068-marshmellow-6-0-t3313148
The links to Aex and evolution kernel for titan
madagascaradam said:
Thanks also for your advice. I've never been bricked either, but I don't want to start, especially since we're down to 1 phone in my family right now! If someone can tell me that downgrading is definitely way smoother (as I've seen written on a few threads here, but without detailed instructions on how to do it) and if they say I can do it without bricking, then I might take that route. I haven't tried AEX on this phone, though I was using it on my Moto G3 TE before it got stolen. So yeah, that's a good idea if you say it works great. Can you link to a thread for me? Particularly when you say "with evolution kernel"... in the past I don't think I've tried a different kernel for my rom, I've always just followed step-by-steps for flashing a custom rom and gapps, that sort of thing. So if I have to do an extra step for the evolution kernel, please also tell me how or where to find the thread about it. Thanks again for your help!
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-aospextended-rom-v5-8-t3829769
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/kernel-evolution-kernel-t3514843
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-aospextended-rom-v5-8-t3829769
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/kernel-evolution-kernel-t3514843
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Thanks a lot! How do I use a different kernel than the one that comes with the ROM? Do I flash/install AEX first and *then* follow those directions for the evolution kernel? Or do I do the kernel first and then AEX? And I'm assuming I download the first kernel download link on that page (the one that says Marshmallow/Nougat Roms and "R10")? Basically, I'd really appreciate it if you'd offer more information on what it means to switch kernels and how to do that? Thanks again for your help!
Download Aex then install it first
madagascaradam said:
Thanks a lot! How do I use a different kernel than the one that comes with the ROM? Do I flash/install AEX first and *then* follow those directions for the evolution kernel? Or do I do the kernel first and then AEX? And I'm assuming I download the first kernel download link on that page (the one that says Marshmallow/Nougat Roms and "R10")? Basically, I'd really appreciate it if you'd offer more information on what it means to switch kernels and how to do that? Thanks again for your help!
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Install rom first then make a backup of only boot install kernel after that , there is a another version of evolution kernel with overclock enabled if you feel that evolution is slow try evolutionX ,it's bit of a battery hog but runs like butter.
Switching kernels gives you access to better features in you kernel like updated tweaks, governors overclock ,undervolt ,sound gain boost etc which the stock kernel doesn't provide in most cases .....only few kernels are as up-to-date with extra features as evolution imo so try it if you don't like how it performs you can tweak it more with kernel aduitor ,for faster feeling phone I normally disable all animations under devoloper options .you can also flash evolutionx to see if it suits you or not just restore the boot backup you made and flash it then test ......
Get the kernel for Oreo as Aex 5.8 is Oreo
Before flashing plz make sure twrp is updated
Always backup important data into your mircosd card or PC
I recommend a full wipe ( system ,data, internal storage,caches) with twrp and then install the new ROM
Do let me know how it goes ....
clockstoper said:
Install rom first then make a backup of only boot install kernel after that , there is a another version of evolution kernel with overclock enabled if you feel that evolution is slow try evolutionX ,it's bit of a battery hog but runs like butter.
Switching kernels gives you access to better features in you kernel like updated tweaks, governors overclock ,undervolt ,sound gain boost etc which the stock kernel doesn't provide in most cases .....only few kernels are as up-to-date with extra features as evolution imo so try it if you don't like how it performs you can tweak it more with kernel aduitor ,for faster feeling phone I normally disable all animations under devoloper options .you can also flash evolutionx to see if it suits you or not just restore the boot backup you made and flash it then test ......
Get the kernel for Oreo as Aex 5.8 is Oreo
Before flashing plz make sure twrp is updated
Always backup important data into your mircosd card or PC
I recommend a full wipe ( system ,data, internal storage,caches) with twrp and then install the new ROM
Do let me know how it goes ....
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Great, thanks for the advice! My weekend is busy but I'm going to give it a go on Monday or Tuesday and let you know how it turns out!
clockstoper said:
Install rom first then make a backup of only boot install kernel after that , there is a another version of evolution kernel with overclock enabled if you feel that evolution is slow try evolutionX ,it's bit of a battery hog but runs like butter.
Switching kernels gives you access to better features in you kernel like updated tweaks, governors overclock ,undervolt ,sound gain boost etc which the stock kernel doesn't provide in most cases .....only few kernels are as up-to-date with extra features as evolution imo so try it if you don't like how it performs you can tweak it more with kernel aduitor ,for faster feeling phone I normally disable all animations under devoloper options .you can also flash evolutionx to see if it suits you or not just restore the boot backup you made and flash it then test ......
Get the kernel for Oreo as Aex 5.8 is Oreo
Before flashing plz make sure twrp is updated
Always backup important data into your mircosd card or PC
I recommend a full wipe ( system ,data, internal storage,caches) with twrp and then install the new ROM
Do let me know how it goes ....
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Hey, so I had a busy week and I'm just now getting to this. Do I still need to flash a superuser image in order to get superuser working on this (like for fx explorer root or those sort of things)? I have this superuser package I used last time I installed the ViperOS (that's super slow that I'm replacing now): SR1-SuperSU-v2.82-SR1-20170608224931.zip Do I still need that? I can't seem to find an updated one on here or maybe it's buried because it's too old. Maybe people don't use SuperSU anymore? Just wondering. Thanks for any help! And I'll let you know how the new image goes later today.
Use magisk it's way better
madagascaradam said:
Hey, so I had a busy week and I'm just now getting to this. Do I still need to flash a superuser image in order to get superuser working on this (like for fx explorer root or those sort of things)? I have this superuser package I used last time I installed the ViperOS (that's super slow that I'm replacing now): SR1-SuperSU-v2.82-SR1-20170608224931.zip Do I still need that? I can't seem to find an updated one on here or maybe it's buried because it's too old. Maybe people don't use SuperSU anymore? Just wondering. Thanks for any help! And I'll let you know how the new image goes later today.
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Plus it has all the modules ....very useful ....
Link magisk
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445
clockstoper said:
Plus it has all the modules ....very useful ....
Link magisk
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445
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Thanks again! So, I did try SuperSU since it looked like it'd be easy (just install that app) and the Magisk thing said better to go back to stock rom in order to make it work. But SuperSU then was a big headache, after a lot of work I got rid of it, and installed Magisk (without going back to stock rom) and everything was good. Any particular modules you'd suggest using with Magisk?
But overall: I followed your advice and everything seems good. This is my first time to use Oreo and I do like it so far. I haven't turned of animations yet, but I might soon. It's still running fairly fast like I'd expect. I still have to install a few apps on my account and I'll wait and see if that slows anything down. But my wife's account has all her stuff on it, everything logged in, and it seems like it's still smooth. I'm going to give it a few days to a week and see if anything slows it down before I report back to you.
I did have a few questions though: under the AEX extensions, it says "system app remover" and I tried to remove a couple weird apps I don't need on there (like "retro music player" - I don't have any idea how that even got there). I had to enable root for it, but it still doesn't seem to have disappeared. Any idea how to fully get rid of non-wanted system apps?
In that same area for removing system apps (built into the AEX extensions) it looks like there are quite a few theme "apps" already inside it, including even some dark themes for contacts (which I'd really appreciate). But I can't find in the rom anywhere to enable themes. If I download the substratum app, will it automatically give me access to those built-in themes or want? If you know anything about this let me know.
Also, under the aex extensions is an option for weather on the lock screen, but the weather service doesn't seem to be working at all yet. Any idea on that?
Even if you don't know about those things, that's OK, maybe I'll post and ask those questions in the AEX thread and see if anyone has anything to say there.
Overall, everything has worked great so far though, which is great and I appreciate all the advice you've given me! I'll just give it some time to see if it stays fast with regular use, and of course I need to keep making a few tweaks to it.
Glad it worked out
madagascaradam said:
Thanks again! So, I did try SuperSU since it looked like it'd be easy (just install that app) and the Magisk thing said better to go back to stock rom in order to make it work. But SuperSU then was a big headache, after a lot of work I got rid of it, and installed Magisk (without going back to stock rom) and everything was good. Any particular modules you'd suggest using with Magisk?
But overall: I followed your advice and everything seems good. This is my first time to use Oreo and I do like it so far. I haven't turned of animations yet, but I might soon. It's still running fairly fast like I'd expect. I still have to install a few apps on my account and I'll wait and see if that slows anything down. But my wife's account has all her stuff on it, everything logged in, and it seems like it's still smooth. I'm going to give it a few days to a week and see if anything slows it down before I report back to you.
I did have a few questions though: under the AEX extensions, it says "system app remover" and I tried to remove a couple weird apps I don't need on there (like "retro music player" - I don't have any idea how that even got there). I had to enable root for it, but it still doesn't seem to have disappeared. Any idea how to fully get rid of non-wanted system apps?
In that same area for removing system apps (built into the AEX extensions) it looks like there are quite a few theme "apps" already inside it, including even some dark themes for contacts (which I'd really appreciate). But I can't find in the rom anywhere to enable themes. If I download the substratum app, will it automatically give me access to those built-in themes or want? If you know anything about this let me know.
Also, under the aex extensions is an option for weather on the lock screen, but the weather service doesn't seem to be working at all yet. Any idea on that?
Even if you don't know about those things, that's OK, maybe I'll post and ask those questions in the AEX thread and see if anyone has anything to say there.
Overall, everything has worked great so far though, which is great and I appreciate all the advice you've given me! I'll just give it some time to see if it stays fast with regular use, and of course I need to keep making a few tweaks to it.
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The ROM still has some unimplemented stuff system app remover in extensions
As for modules is use viper4android to tweak sound and
Terminal debloater to remove unwanted system apps via terminal
You need to enable it via developer options ...
And about the theme apps you found in system apps remover ,those are simply the colour overlays the system uses for automatically setting system theme based on wallpaper colour, to manually set theme you can try going into system>display >ui theme and try changing stuff there it has the pre-installed colour schemes .......
You will find the option to change the system fonts there too.....
For weather you need to enable the service by going into weather>service ......
Also to keep things smooth use greenify and greenify all the apps that don't need to run in the background .....enable agressive doze there .....
Also go into settings>extensions>system>app ops side scroll to boot up and take away boot permission from any and every app that you don't use immediately after powering your phone .....it helps speed up the phone a lot .
Go to extentions and general tweaks and turn on disable FC notifications too...
Get sd maid free and do cleanup of system cleaner and corpse finder every month end .....
Go to dialer>three dots >settings then enable proximity speakerphone it very good feature ......
Happy it all worked out for yaa ...
I have a question though ,did you do a full format in twrp ?
I mean the format data option where you need to type yes to proceed . That speed up lag on my phone after I moved from stock so next time you might wanna try that before installing a new ROM....
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madagascaradam said:
Thanks again! So, I did try SuperSU since it looked like it'd be easy (just install that app) and the Magisk thing said better to go back to stock rom in order to make it work. But SuperSU then was a big headache, after a lot of work I got rid of it, and installed Magisk (without going back to stock rom) and everything was good. Any particular modules you'd suggest using with Magisk?
But overall: I followed your advice and everything seems good. This is my first time to use Oreo and I do like it so far. I haven't turned of animations yet, but I might soon. It's still running fairly fast like I'd expect. I still have to install a few apps on my account and I'll wait and see if that slows anything down. But my wife's account has all her stuff on it, everything logged in, and it seems like it's still smooth. I'm going to give it a few days to a week and see if anything slows it down before I report back to you.
I did have a few questions though: under the AEX extensions, it says "system app remover" and I tried to remove a couple weird apps I don't need on there (like "retro music player" - I don't have any idea how that even got there). I had to enable root for it, but it still doesn't seem to have disappeared. Any idea how to fully get rid of non-wanted system apps?
In that same area for removing system apps (built into the AEX extensions) it looks like there are quite a few theme "apps" already inside it, including even some dark themes for contacts (which I'd really appreciate). But I can't find in the rom anywhere to enable themes. If I download the substratum app, will it automatically give me access to those built-in themes or want? If you know anything about this let me know.
Also, under the aex extensions is an option for weather on the lock screen, but the weather service doesn't seem to be working at all yet. Any idea on that?
Even if you don't know about those things, that's OK, maybe I'll post and ask those questions in the AEX thread and see if anyone has anything to say there.
Overall, everything has worked great so far though, which is great and I appreciate all the advice you've given me! I'll just give it some time to see if it stays fast with regular use, and of course I need to keep making a few tweaks to it.
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how it ended?
clockstoper said:
The ROM still has some unimplemented stuff system app remover in extensions
As for modules is use viper4android to tweak sound and
Terminal debloater to remove unwanted system apps via terminal
You need to enable it via developer options ...
And about the theme apps you found in system apps remover ,those are simply the colour overlays the system uses for automatically setting system theme based on wallpaper colour, to manually set theme you can try going into system>display >ui theme and try changing stuff there it has the pre-installed colour schemes .......
You will find the option to change the system fonts there too.....
For weather you need to enable the service by going into weather>service ......
Also to keep things smooth use greenify and greenify all the apps that don't need to run in the background .....enable agressive doze there .....
Also go into settings>extensions>system>app ops side scroll to boot up and take away boot permission from any and every app that you don't use immediately after powering your phone .....it helps speed up the phone a lot .
Go to extentions and general tweaks and turn on disable FC notifications too...
Get sd maid free and do cleanup of system cleaner and corpse finder every month end .....
Go to dialer>three dots >settings then enable proximity speakerphone it very good feature ......
Happy it all worked out for yaa ...
I have a question though ,did you do a full format in twrp ?
I mean the format data option where you need to type yes to proceed . That speed up lag on my phone after I moved from stock so next time you might wanna try that before installing a new ROM....
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Thanks for all the extra advice! A lot of that certainly helped. It was actually slowing down again a bit within a few days, but greenify made an immediately noticeable difference, as well as a few of those other things you mentioned.
The weather thing still isn't working even though I have it enabled. Maybe because I'm in Madagascar and most services don't cover weather here?
I couldn't find the dialer either, so I couldn't get to its settings. I'm interested in what the proximity speakerphone does though.
I didn't do any format where I needed to type "yes" to proceed, but when I did wipe I chose every aspect of the storage and wiped all of it (even the memory card). So maybe that was just a simple delete rather than an actual format. I'll keep this in mind though next time I flash a system from start. Though I had the memory card formatted as mixed storage (gave 10 GB of it to the system ["expanded"] and the rest for normal portable use) and the expanded portion reads funny now in the storage settings - as if it had 128 GB and 118 GB were already used. That's strange, but it doesn't seem to affect anything so I'm not worrying about it.
Dialer is the phone app ..
madagascaradam said:
Thanks for all the extra advice! A lot of that certainly helped. It was actually slowing down again a bit within a few days, but greenify made an immediately noticeable difference, as well as a few of those other things you mentioned.
The weather thing still isn't working even though I have it enabled. Maybe because I'm in Madagascar and most services don't cover weather here?
I couldn't find the dialer either, so I couldn't get to its settings. I'm interested in what the proximity speakerphone does though.
I didn't do any format where I needed to type "yes" to proceed, but when I did wipe I chose every aspect of the storage and wiped all of it (even the memory card). So maybe that was just a simple delete rather than an actual format. I'll keep this in mind though next time I flash a system from start. Though I had the memory card formatted as mixed storage (gave 10 GB of it to the system ["expanded"] and the rest for normal portable use) and the expanded portion reads funny now in the storage settings - as if it had 128 GB and 118 GB were already used. That's strange, but it doesn't seem to affect anything so I'm not worrying about it.
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The dialer app is what you use to call a number typing it ,it is the phone app with the telephone icon ,tap the three dots on the top right side there you will find settings ....
About the weather try changing the weather provider to Yahoo ....might work.. .
Also try getting the universal GMS doze module in magisk it stops Google services from slowing the phone ...
I personally don't use gapps at all, I have yalpstore for my app needs. if Google is not that important for you then maybe in the future you might try ROM without it .....
Hope it helps.....