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I may be late to the game on this issue, but I can't believe what I'm hearing from another source. Hope I put this in the right forum.
Is it true that when we send or receive a POP message on our PDA that there's no way we can synchronize that message back to Outlook on the desktop?
What I need to do is to have any message received or sent using Pocket Outlook with WiFi or 3G/GPRS while away from my desktop syncrhonized back to Outlook via ActiveSync. I've been told this can't be done.
In other words, what we have here is the electronic Roach Motel for email?
Someone please tell me it's not true.
I don't think that's true. I haven't used Outlook/Pop Mail since my Dell Axim Days, but to worked then.
What's true is POP is a one shot deal. If you download the message from your email server using POP to your Mobile, you can't download it from your email server to your Desktop Outlook.
Yes, I understand that with POP, you have the option of either keeping the messages on the server, or having them deleted after download.
Here's a scenario. This is what I'd like to happen. Please let me know if it's possible with a standard POP/SMTP server (NOT an Exchange server, and IMAP isn't an option for me at this time).
1) I synchronize my device with my pc and emails are updated to their respective folders on the PDA while physically connected to my desktop. I then disconnect and leave my office.
2) While on the road, I download an email to the device using one of my POP accounts via either 3G or WiFi. I respond to that message and send it back. Now, I have one new message in the In Box on the PDA, and a response in my Sent Items folder on the PDA.
3) When I return home, I want both those new messages - one in the In Box and on in the Sent Items folder to be synchronized back from the PDA to the desktop.
I've been told it's not possible. Can someone confirm, and if it's true, please explain to me (in layman's terms) how messages manage to go into the machine, but messages downloaded using the PDA just don't want to come out?
BillTheCat said:
I've been told it's not possible.
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AFAIK, it is not possible in the way you want to do it. Out the box WM will only do this with Exchange Server email. You have to go with a third party service like Xpress Fail that pushes email off your desktop Outlook to your phone.
Maybe someone could suggest a service that actually works, because Xpress Fail sucked for me.
You have probably been told this, but I set up Outlook on the desktop to leave an email on the server for 10 days. This way the phone and desktop get the same email. But thats as good as it gets with a POP account.
One more thing, the "Outlook" account you see on the phone is used for Exchange Server email. You can select it to sync with your desktop, but all it does is load up the email from your desktop.
GWelker62 said:
AFAIK, it is not possible in the way you want to do it. Out the box WM will only do this with Exchange Server email. You have to go with a third party service like Xpress Fail that pushes email off your desktop Outlook to your phone.
Maybe someone could suggest a service that actually works, because Xpress Fail sucked for me.
You have probably been told this, but I set up Outlook on the desktop to leave an email on the server for 10 days. This way the phone and desktop get the same email. But thats as good as it gets with a POP account.
One more thing, the "Outlook" account you see on the phone is used for Exchange Server email. You can select it to sync with your desktop, but all it does is load up the email from your desktop.
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Incredible. I'm speechless. So, the phone really is like the D-Con roach motel.
I'm incredulous that we have a system that gets Email from the desktop to the machine, and a machine that can send and receive emails while away from the desktop, but can't manage to get the messages back to the desktop when you return.
I just fail to understand how something seemingly so simple can be so complex. After all, POP email is just more or less a text file.
Ok, I've been thinking about this.
Of all the Email addresses I have, the majority of them are in my control. There is only one email address (att.net) that I have no control over and offers only POP.
If I migrate my domains from GoDaddy (which does NOT offer IMAP) to another IHV, can I have my att.net POP email automatically forwarded to a 'ghost' IMAP account at a new host, and accomplish what I want?
I still get back to being amazed that Microsoft hasn't had the forethought to supporting synchronization of POP messages from the phone back to desktop Outook. How F'n stupid is that???
Thanks in advance for any thoughts y'all have on this matter.
I think in Windows Pocket PC 2003 it did sync with POP. But the Windows Mobile Line assumes everyone is using exchange servers. Microsoft makes a lot of assumptions like that.
To answer your question, You will get two benefits out of your solution.
1: You will be able to use IMAP.
2: You won't be using GoDaddy anymore.
WIN FEAKIN' WIN Man!
I'm currently in quite a similar situation - I use Outlook 2007 on my desktop to download ALL my email, 95% of which comes from my Yahoo account. As it stands right now, I POP download my emails to my Outlook (Yahoo doesnt support desktop IMAP unless you pay), and I IMAP it to my Tilt (Yahoo does, however, support IMAP to mobiles, i guess? ). Currently I'll BCC a copy of any email I send to myself, and then once it's POPed back to Outlook, I just move it to the Sent Mail. It's a hassle but it's the best I can do.
The one annoyance is that if you don't close Outlook before leaving home, the POP automatically marks the messages as "read" once downloaded, and so when the Tilt IMAPs them in, they're already marked as read and so I don't get notified.
If you figure anything out (that doesn't require access to my own server!) please let us know lol
JimmyMcGee said:
To answer your question, You will get two benefits out of your solution.
1: You will be able to use IMAP.
2: You won't be using GoDaddy anymore.
WIN FEAKIN' WIN Man!
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LOL! Yeah, I'm thinkin' yer on to somethin' there. Looking at Dreamhost as an IHV. At least they support full shell access for more than one administrator so I can separate my domains that are serviced by another party.
Ok, but here's a problem. With IMAP, do I have a local copy on my machine, or must everything be stored on the server?
BillTheCat said:
LOL! Yeah, I'm thinkin' yer on to somethin' there. Looking at Dreamhost as an IHV. At least they support full shell access for more than one administrator so I can separate my domains that are serviced by another party.
Ok, but here's a problem. With IMAP, do I have a local copy on my machine, or must everything be stored on the server?
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I prefer DreamHost myself.
In IMAP they are stored on the server, but most desktop email client give you the option to save a local copy. As to how, it depends on the client though.
JimmyMcGee said:
In IMAP they are stored on the server, but most desktop email client give you the option to save a local copy. As to how, it depends on the client though.
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Ok, so bear with me, because I'm still getting my head around how this all works.
Let's say I migrate my hosting and set up IMAP accounts for my various email addresses. Then I set both the PDA and my Desktop respectively to download and delete messages from the server. Will messages sent and received on the PDA (therefore stored on the phone) be replicated to the desktop using ActiveSync when I reconnect for a synchronization? Or will I find myself back with the same situation I have with POP where ActiveSynch won't 'see' the PDA's IMAP folders and refuse to copy messages to my Desktop Outlook?
Basically an IMAP server the Email stays on the server. Then with your desktop of PDA downloads the message it is a "Shadow copy." IMAP allows multiple client to access the same Mailbox and the same time if needed. POP hates that.
Active Sync won't have any role in this.
If you download on your PDA, you will get a "shadow" on your PDA and the original message will be on the server. You can then go to your Desktop machine it will look what's on the server that it doesn't have as a shadow copy and then download a shoadw copy of that. Meaning at that point, both Devices will have the message in it possesion.
JimmyMcGee said:
Basically an IMAP server the Email stays on the server. Then with your desktop of PDA downloads the message it is a "Shadow copy." IMAP allows multiple client to access the same Mailbox and the same time if needed. POP hates that.
Active Sync won't have any role in this.
If you download on your PDA, you will get a "shadow" on your PDA and the original message will be on the server. You can then go to your Desktop machine it will look what's on the server that it doesn't have as a shadow copy and then download a shoadw copy of that. Meaning at that point, both Devices will have the message in it possesion.
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Wow. "Shadow". Now there's a term I haven't heard since my OS/2 days. Man, do I feel really old.
What you're saying is that essentially we then have three sets of copies of both sent and received mail in three different locations, the servers and local devices just setting their 'flags' as needed, correct?
Ok, I guess at this point I guess I really just need to set up an IMAP account somewhere and see how it works in practice so I can get my head around it.
Thanks for all your help!
BillTheCat said:
Wow. "Shadow". Now there's a term I haven't heard since my OS/2 days. Man, do I feel really old.
What you're saying is that essentially we then have three sets of copies of both sent and received mail in three different locations, the servers and local devices just setting their 'flags' as needed, correct?
Ok, I guess at this point I guess I really just need to set up an IMAP account somewhere and see how it works in practice so I can get my head around it.
Thanks for all your help!
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Basically, yeah.
Maybe use a GMAIL account via Imap and seee what happens when you check it from two locations.
Feel free to shoot me any questions you have.
Hi,
My law school uses Microsoft Outlook Web Access (OWA) for e-mail exchange and I am having a bit of difficulty getting it to connect to my ATT Tilt (w/ 6.1 default rom).
The main problem is that unlike my Gmail, the OWA doesn't have any options for enabling forwarding/POP/IMAP.
A faculty member of the IT department had sent out an e-mail last month with instructions on how to sync the OWA with IPhones and I tried to follow his instructions, but the problem I am now running into is that the Tilt requires a server name (I believe it is mail.uchastings.edu) and a domain name (?????).
I would appreciate any help if someone can help me with this. The server will not get the settings itself since I can't enable POP or IMAP.
I set almost everything perfecting, except when I tried to to connect to download mail, it would take me to the page that requested my username, password, and domain name. So i believe I am putting the domain name incorrecting since I tried a variety of my login.
Are you trying to use active sync? That is what it sounds like
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Are you trying to use active sync? That is what it sounds like
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I don't mind using activesync (although I prefer to be able to use the internet to access my mailbox).
I know you can access it through the web because when I attempted to get it working, I followed the following steps:
1. Clicked on Outlook e-mail
2. Server address: mail.uchastings.edu
3. Fails to obtain settings
4. I tell it that it is an Outlook server, not internet e-mail
5. Username: myusername
6. Password: mypassword
7. Domain: ????? (don't know what to put)
8. Asks me what items I want to sync (Mail, Contacts, Tasks, Calendar)
9. I click on Send/Recieve and it takes me back to the screen which asks for items 5-7.
That is the problem I am having and I believe it is probably the domain name that I am messing up on since I have tried to do a variety of my username and it won't work.
The e-mail server (OWA) is Microsoft Outlook, but it is inside a webbrowser. When I click on options, it won't give me a Pop/Imap option so I have to set it up as an outlook e-mail.
Hope that clears some items up.
You cannot sync Outlook Web Mail with Pocket Outlook in standard POP3 style. You would have to setup either Exchange Push Mail, or just log in to OWA using Pocket IE (gag).
The iPhone is able to sync using the Exchange protocol with its latest firmware that shipped at the launch of the 3G iPhone.
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You need to uncheck the option for Outlook to auto detect your settings, and then select Exchange server from the options. I would then contact your school's IT department and ask them for the settings required to setup your phone to sync.
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I don't mind using activesync (although I prefer to be able to use the internet to access my mailbox).
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by active sync I meant wireless active sync through exchange. I would confirm the server address with the IT department and you will also more than likely need a certificate if SSL is used which it should.
domain I would imagine would be uchastings
From my experience with wireless activesync the certificate is 99% of the problem
Thanks guys for all the help. There is a guy at the IT which I have been e-mailing who is helpful, but the problem is he doesn't have a Tilt so he doesn't know the actual set up. I can post his set-up (which shows the servers, etc step by step) if that might be a bit more helpful to you guys also. I am hoping that once I get a chance to go up, I could meet him in person and see whats going on.
wireless active sync is all the same for windows mobile devices. The only thing that is different is that on wm6 devices importing the ssl certificate is a whole lot easier.
what is your the url for your owa?
the server name should be the same url minus the /owa part
for example if its blahblah.com/owa the server would be blahblah.com
be sure to ask for the certifcate
netboy said:
wireless active sync is all the same for windows mobile devices. The only thing that is different is that on wm6 devices importing the ssl certificate is a whole lot easier.
what is your the url for your owa?
the server name should be the same url minus the /owa part
for example if its blahblah.com/owa the server would be blahblah.com
be sure to ask for the certifcate
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The url for the e-mail is owa.uchastings.edu.
When I got my first e-mail from the IT department exampling how to obtain access to the e-mail server, I was told that for the first time, my username for the e-mail would be uchastings\username. However, now I just user the username without the uchastings\ part to access my e-mail.
Also, would the server be owa.uchastings.edu? The IT rep told me it would be email.uchastings.edu.
Try This
For username just type the username without the domain.
For the domain try uchastings.local and see if that works.
And make sure that the box for SSL connection is not checked.
you might also try a program called Chronobis to sync Outlook OWA to your device.
Its very basic, but gets the job done
NotATreoFan said:
You cannot sync Outlook Web Mail with Pocket Outlook in standard POP3 style. You would have to setup either Exchange Push Mail, or just log in to OWA using Pocket IE (gag).
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Not sure where you get this idea? POP3 and IMAP would work just fine if it's enabled, and more importantly, is exposed to the internet. It's not as nice as push email and most companies would not bother to expose it to the internet, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. He may not have access to it on his server but there's no technical reason it can't be done. It's just a standard pop3 and imap server using the standard protocols.
I would like to thank everybody for all the help and I was able to fix the problem with some help from a OWA forum.
The problem I was having is that the username should have been the username alone and then the domain name was just uchastings. That was it.
I have one more question I am hoping someone can help me with.
I use Microsoft Outlook 2007 on my laptop also since I can just connect my school mail and Gmail on there.
When I first connected my ATT Tilt to my laptop, it asked me what I wanted to sync and I choose Contacts, Calendar, Tasks, and Notes. Then I setup my Tilt with the school's outlook web access. It also asked what it should sync and I choose Contacts, Mail, Calendar, Tasks, and Notes.
Now on my Outlook 2007, when I choose Contacts, Calender, or Tasks, it gives me two options for each. For example in contacts, it has Contacts and Contacts from Personal Folder. Same for Calendar (Calender and Calendar from Personal Contacts) and Tasks.
Now my question is that are these two connected or is one from my Tilt and the other from Hastings OWA? If I choose to delete one, say from the OWA, will it affect the other? I am asking because all the items in each place (ie Calendar and Calendar from Personal Folder) are the same.
Thanks for the help once again.
ok i'm sorry, but i have been all over the place and still cant make this work!
my work IT dept only allows remote email via the web. i can access using opera no problem but i'd like to sync/push/downloadupload/whateveritscalled into my outlook on the phone seamlessly. HOW DO I DO IT?!?!? i have tried and TRIED to set this up to no avail thru "new account" in the messaging and thru activesync. it cant be that hard since there are only 2 simple steps when i access it via opera.
#1) i go to the website:
www.sodexhomail.com (but when it loads, the full address is https://www.sodexhomail.com/owa/&reason=0)
#2) and i login with only 2 pieces of info:
domain\username: xx-xxxxxxx\myname
password: xxxxxxxx
please please PLEASE someone tell me how to set this up STEP BY STEP so i dont have to keep going thru opera!
thanks!
Ok this is not so hard. I configured it myself many times.
First you have to ask your IT Department whether they allow mail on your device. What if you lose your device, other people might have access to sensitive emails.
For pushmail to work you need an Active Directory user account and this account has to be mailbox-enabled. From the information you just supplied, you do have an AD account which is mailbox-enabled.
When you go to http://www.sodexhomail.com/owa you will see that you will be redirected to https://www.sodexhomail.com/owa Do you see the extra S behind HTTP ? THis means that you access your website securely. In your internet browser on your normal desktop or laptop computer you will see a little golden lock at the end of the address bar. When you click it, you have the option to see the security certificate and to export it to a file. Export this certificate to a file (just click next all the time and give it a descriptive name) and save it on your computer. Then connect your Diamond to your computer and transfer this certificate to your diamond. On your Diamond browse to this certificate and click it so it will be installed. For ActiveSync and Pushmail to work you must do this.
Ask your IT Departmend whether they have enabled your user account for active sync and pushmail. If not, you can't use pushmail. If they did, continue with the following steps on your diamond.
Ok, you've already installed the ssl security certificate on your diamond. Now open Active sync on your diamond and do the following.
1. Click MENU.
2. Click Configure Server
3. In the field Server address type: www.sodexhomail.com and enable SSL
4. click next
5. In the User name filed type your user name and password
6. In the domainfield, type sodexhomail.com and enable to remember your password.
7. Click next
8. Enable the items you want to sync, like contacts, calender, email and tasks
9. Select email and click configuration and select the option how far back active sync should go for syncing emails and select for the messages HTML.
10. Click advanced and enter your email address.
11. CLick Finish.
12. In the main Active Sync menu, click menu again and choose Schema
13. Select As items arrive and configure the times you want to receive pushmail. I entered 00:00 - 23:59 so 24h a day.
Now you should be done.
Good luck.
EDIT: If your company uses Microsoft Exchange 2007, maybe your administrators configured Outlook Anywhere. This means that you only have to install the ssl certificate and dont have to configure the above steps. On your diamond you simply go to Start - Messages and create a new account. Fill in your company mail adddress and password and on the next screen you will be asked if you want to configure your mail settings from the internet automatically. I configured this myself and works like a charm. But if your IT admins did not configure Outlook Anywhere, this won't work.
You an only do it if your company enables OMA (outlook mobile access).
OWA for access via a browser and OMA for push access via activesync are totally different.
dannyoneill said:
You an only do it if your company enables OMA (outlook mobile access).
OWA for access via a browser and OMA for push access via activesync are totally different.
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His company uses Exchange 2007 and there is no more OMA in Exchange 2007.
MRE-net, you are awesome! thanks so much for the help, but i have good news and bad news.
i followed your instructs to the letter, but it does not work. whereas before i was getting a "check your settings/password" error or the like, i am now getting "Your account in Microsoft Exchange Server does not have permission to synchronize with your current settings. Contact your Exchange Server admin. support code: 0x85010004". before i even tried to sync, 2 things you said (as well as knowing how tight my company is with info) told me that it wouldnt work in the end:
MRE-net said:
First you have to ask your IT Department whether they allow mail on your device. What if you lose your device, other people might have access to sensitive emails.
Ask your IT Departmend whether they have enabled your user account for active sync and pushmail. If not, you can't use pushmail. If they did, continue with the following steps on your diamond.
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so...good news, i'm acutally smart enough to follow instructions, thank you so much! and bad news is that the sync error tells me that my company doesnt support/allow it (right?), and i'm guessing theres no way around this without IT admin involvement.
thanks again.
spiffyjiff said:
MRE-net, you are awesome! thanks so much for the help, but i have good news and bad news.
i followed your instructs to the letter, but it does not work. whereas before i was getting a "check your settings/password" error or the like, i am now getting "Your account in Microsoft Exchange Server does not have permission to synchronize with your current settings. Contact your Exchange Server admin. support code: 0x85010004". before i even tried to sync, 2 things you said (as well as knowing how tight my company is with info) told me that it wouldnt work in the end:
so...good news, i'm acutally smart enough to follow instructions, thank you so much! and bad news is that the sync error tells me that my company doesnt support/allow it (right?), and i'm guessing theres no way around this without IT admin involvement.
thanks again.
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You have to get them to enable active sync for your mailbox.
In the meantime solution
Had a similar problem so i requested IT to send duplicate emails to my live/hotmail account which they had no problem with. From hotmail its easy to sync to WM. You can also tell hotmail that when it sends emails it can do it on bahalf of [email protected].
[Then you can set a rule on hotmail to forward some emails back to your main work account - have not donr that though]
hi everyone i am getting my nexus one soon and my friend let me borrow his nexus overnight
he wiped it and is running stock 2.1 so i can setup my email and things like that to get used to the nexus one
anyway i am trying to setup my google apps domain with the email app using exchange but i dont know what settings to use
i am not sure what to put in the domain/username field
i already know i should put m.google.com for the server field
extrafuzzyllama said:
hi everyone i am getting my nexus one soon and my friend let me borrow his nexus overnight
he wiped it and is running stock 2.1 so i can setup my email and things like that to get used to the nexus one
anyway i am trying to setup my google apps domain with the email app using exchange but i dont know what settings to use
i am not sure what to put in the domain/username field
i already know i should put m.google.com for the server field
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I don't think google apps supports exchange? I could be wrong. You'd probably want to just add this as a google account, where in 2.2 multiple google accounts are possible. I think you're doing it wrong.
but u can use the m.google.com for google sync
i even had a setting to enable it on my domain options
and i also used that m.google.com server and recieved emails right away using a normal gmail account to test it out and worked but cant seem to get it to work with google apps domain cuz i dont know what domain/ username i am supposed to put in
extrafuzzyllama said:
but u can use the m.google.com for google sync
i even had a setting to enable it on my domain options
and i also used that m.google.com server and recieved emails right away using a normal gmail account to test it out and worked but cant seem to get it to work with google apps domain cuz i dont know what domain/ username i am supposed to put in
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You're still doing it wrong....
Exchange is for MS Exchange servers.
What you should do go into accounts and sync, add another google account, type in [email protected] and your password. Should work
how was ot able to work with my regualr gmail account?
aad4321 said:
I would just use the multiple google apps accounts that 2.1 and 2.2 allow. Worst case it may work as exchange. Google apps also does work with exchange but limited. This is a fact because Windows mobile devices are configured with google apps using active sync.
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
Windows Mobile phones use POP/IMAP to sync with any other type of email address other than an Exchange account, because when using an Exchange account you'll need to use the Active Sync protocol.
Google Apps and Exchange are services, not clients or protocols. I don't see how you would be able to use Google Apps with Exchange unless you're doing a migration or have GPO's set on the network to set up Google Apps accounts in Outlook.
extrafuzzyllama said:
how was ot able to work with my regualr gmail account?
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Probably through either IMAP or its own proprietary communication protocol. Gmail doesn't support ActiveSync
Gmail does in fact support Exchange ActiveSync protocol, and that is exactly how Windows Mobile devices sync most effectively with Gmail, regular or apps version. They made an announcement last year when the ActiveSync Protocol was enabled.
The config settings should be m.google.com for server, and full email address for username. I haven't tried it, because of the following reason:
The most effective way to get at your gmail from an Android phone is with the Gmail app. It does push just like ActiveSync, and supports more of the features of Gmail, like stars, threaded conversations, labels, etc.
Just tried it with my google apps account, works fine in the email app.
On the first screen, enter your email address and password, then hit manual setup
On the second screen, select Exchange Activesync
On the third screen, enter your email address in the username box (remove the leading "\" as well). Leave the password as entered, and replace the server with m.google.com. Select both checkboxes, click Next
Fourth screen, select your sync options (use Automatic(push)) and other settings as you like
Finally, give the account a name, and enter your display name on outgoing messages, and click Done.
Works great.
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Just tried it with my google apps account, works fine in the email app.
On the first screen, enter your email address and password, then hit manual setup
On the second screen, select Exchange Activesync
On the third screen, enter your email address in the username box (remove the leading "\" as well). Leave the password as entered, and replace the server with m.google.com. Select both checkboxes, click Next
Fourth screen, select your sync options (use Automatic(push)) and other settings as you like
Finally, give the account a name, and enter your display name on outgoing messages, and click Done.
Works great.
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Just wanted to put in my pennies. I set up Google Apps accounts as part of my business, and Activesync is the ONLY way you should sync your email on Windows Mobile. It also works for standard Gmail accounts, and it will sync your Contacts and Calendar too. Just don't select Tasks in the sync options or the sync will fail.
Windows Mobile isn't just an Enterprise Solution anymore, thanks to Google.
Do we have any app that supports "Outlook Anywhere" on windows phone 8? "Mail Droid" on Android provides that support.
You dont need app, simply open your Exchange mailbox in phone IE...
Petulinek said:
You dont need app, simply open your Exchange mailbox in phone IE...
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You need EAS license to make it work on Outlook on phone, but other than that nothing works. and I cant keep opening the IE to see mails. Maildroid app in android does it perfectly , but nothing like that on WP8
If you have Exchange mailbox, you have EAS licence also. You need ask Exchange administrator to set up access from mobile device, its often disabled in default Exchange settings.