Was wondering, how your sot and so forth is ?
I get on a good day about 5 hours sot . Would love to hear from those that charge to approx 80% from 40% regularly.
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About 4 - 5 hours.
Please allow me to comment how mad this is. Whilst I'm sitting at my desk, my phone sits in my wireless charger stand when not in use. My Note 5 still holds a charge fine. My Note 9 will likely perform in a similar way down the road.
Madness....
Best for battery health = keep batt level between 40-80% but for more convenience you could keep it 30-90 . You also free to charge any time within that range
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Please allow me to comment how mad this is. Whilst I'm sitting at my desk, my phone sits in my wireless charger stand when not in use. My Note 5 still holds a charge fine. My Note 9 will likely perform in a similar way down the road.
Madness....
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Battery chemistry is certainly madness. Not charging to 100%? That's certainly not madness.
You might not have noticed it but battery degradation is definitely a thing and keeping a battery between 40% and 80% will most certainly lead to less degradation.
A good example of this is Tesla, why, by default do they not charge the batteries to 100%? Battery degradation.
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Battery_Degradation_for_Cell_Life_Assessment
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You might not have noticed it but battery degradation is definitely a thing and keeping a battery between 40% and 80% will most certainly lead to less degradation.
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Battery_Degradation_for_Cell_Life_Assessment
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Oh, I'm aware that battery degradation is a thing. Certainly. I'm just not bothered by it to the extent that I'm policing my charging habits in this way. Which to my mind is madness. But that's only my view on it. My older devices still hold plenty of charge for a reasonable amount of time for my personal needs/wants. That's all that matters in the end.
It just seems to me that paying such a dear price for a phone like this shouldn't force me to limit what I can do with it. Again, that's just my view only.
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Oh, I'm aware that battery degradation is a thing. Certainly. I'm just not bothered by it to the extent that I'm policing my charging habits in this way. Which to my mind is madness. But that's only my view on it. My older devices still hold plenty of charge for a reasonable amount of time for my personal needs/wants. That's all that matters in the end.
It just seems to me that paying such a dear price for a phone like this shouldn't force me to limit what I can do with it. Again, that's just my view only.
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Your older device may hold "plenty" of charge for your personal needs/wants but it would hold more if you'd looked after the battery, it's as simple as that. Some of us choose to look after them, others don't.
Personally I prefer to look after my expensive investments, I don't think that's mad at all.
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Your older device may hold "plenty" of charge for your personal needs/wants but it would hold more if you'd looked after the battery, it's as simple as that. Some of us choose to look after them, others don't.
Personally I prefer to look after my expensive investments, I don't think that's mad at all.
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Looking after investments is not mad at all. Nobody sensible would suggest this. I'm only suggesting that the manner in which you choose to look after your investment seems mad to me. That's it.
I'm honestly surprised I still get use out of some of my older devices. Most users don't tend to keep old phones around too long from what I've witnessed over the years. So the issue of battery degradation is not a big deal for them. Policing my charging habits just seems too much, IMO. Battery tech will continue to evolve and hopefully degradation will continue to improve for us.
roaduardo said:
Oh, I'm aware that battery degradation is a thing. Certainly. I'm just not bothered by it to the extent that I'm policing my charging habits in this way. Which to my mind is madness. But that's only my view on it. My older devices still hold plenty of charge for a reasonable amount of time for my personal needs/wants. That's all that matters in the end.
It just seems to me that paying such a dear price for a phone like this shouldn't force me to limit what I can do with it. Again, that's just my view only.
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You're spot-on,but,you're wasting your time here in this thread,or,any battery life thread in general.
The same peeps could be getting a weeks worth of phone use between charges & still fret over battery health/life.
They're still stuck in 2012 when phones had a 1/4 of the useful battery life that they do now.
This phone does just fine,those w/issues are a small minority & likely do little else than spend every waking moment on their phones.
If there was a wide-spread battery life problem,the likes of BGR & The Verge would be all over it.
Of course,that's not typical use & most "issues" are related to notoriously s****y apps such as FB or,are in a weak signal area.
As for the 80/40 thing,don't you think Samsung has this addressed already w/software?
Of course they do,so,any further fretting over battery health & life,IMHO,is wasted time,there's plenty of other things in life that are more worthy of such attention & concern.
@Limeybastard
Awesome thread title,LOL. :good: :laugh:
Don't be surprised if a couple of members of the Church Cult of 80/40 show up on bicycles @ your doorstep w/tracts in-hand,asking if you've heard "The Good Word"............
I have monitored the battery on Note8 for a year with AccuBattery. At installation on the first day I had 95% life and after one year i had 95%. It is possible to lose some mAh but not so much. Samsung Mobile CEO says new battery generations lose 5% capacity after two years of use. Not much. After 4 years 10%. Does anyone hold the phone so much that it deserves 40-80% pain? And if you want to keep it for 10 years you can not change a battery under warranty or for a fee? I've loaded my phone daily from 25-100% and no problem.No fast charger.
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Dj Koh-Samsung CEO Mobile.
,,Now I can guarantee battery safety. The phone will maintain more than 95 percent of battery capacity even after two years of us,,
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So it does not deserve any trouble with the new batteries. If you are a power user with games and others and you charge the phone with fast charge twice a day then it can accelerate the damage process. If you are a normal user, you have no problems for a few years.
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Additionally, Note 10 will be published next year. New design, fingerprint sensor in display, battery can be even better, 7nm processor with high energy efficiency,etc. Upgrade? Im yes!
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Enjoy handsets whether they're on exynos or snapdragon. They're some total phones.
BATTERY CARE, KILLS A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE.
PEACE!!!
roaduardo said:
Looking after investments is not mad at all. Nobody sensible would suggest this. I'm only suggesting that the manner in which you choose to look after your investment seems mad to me. That's it.
I'm honestly surprised I still get use out of some of my older devices. Most users don't tend to keep old phones around too long from what I've witnessed over the years. So the issue of battery degradation is not a big deal for them. Policing my charging habits just seems too much, IMO. Battery tech will continue to evolve and hopefully degradation will continue to improve for us.
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Since when was a mobile phone an Investment??!
Id be as crazy as some of you folk on here if I cared about caring for a battery. Mines charged overnight. If it needs a boost during the day (so far not required on the note 9)it gets one.
Seriously. Some of you need to chill about battery conditioning.
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Since when was a mobile phone an Investment??!
Id be a crazy you some folk on here if I cared about caring for a battery. Mines charged overnight. If it needs a boost during the day (so far not required on the note 9)it gets one.
Seriously. Some of you need to chill about battery conditioning.
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Well, some would suggest spending upwards of $800-$1000 does qualify as an investment. But maybe I'm wrong.
Lithium based batteries lose capacity in every charging cycle but it's not as bad as some might think.
In 2015, a study by the KIT showed that lithium-ion batteries lose 30% capacity in 1000 to 5000 full cycles (0 to 100%).
The same year, a french consumers association (UFC que choisir) did a similar experience (15 devices with lithium batteries were tested for battery loss in capacity after 300 to 700 cycles of charge from 20% to 100%). The end result was that devices lost up to 14% battery capacity.
The worse battery capacity loss I have seen in an article was from Cadex. 20% loss over 250 full cycles.
So, for people that don't keep their phone more than 2years, there is no reason to be worried by capacity degradation over cycles of charge. (Temperature and voltages seem to be a much bigger problem. For example, I have already seen results as bad as 20% loss after 12 cycles at -20°C).
IMO, this problem is in fact something that is highly important for electric cars.
After a call with Samsung Support they told me to keep the phone over 20% and when it reaches 100% to plug the charger out. No 80% rule...
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Lithium based batteries lose capacity in every charging cycle but it's not as bad as some might think..........
............Temperature and voltages seem to be a much bigger problem.
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I have a small desktop fan placed near my main charging spot/dock.
If I happen to charge it up somewhere else,no biggie once in a while.
Regardless,it's a small measure to take that requires no thought/worry.
Old idea for 2009 technology.
Charge when you want.
This wasn't suppose to be a debate about charging habits. But was supposed to be about asking those that use this method a simple question my friends.
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How many posters in this thread have an advanced degree in battery charging engineering?
If you dont, then you're just making yourself nuts over nothing..use phone, charge it up, use phone again..
thats all there is folks!
It is called a smart phone for a reason.
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After a call with Samsung Support they told me to keep the phone over 20% and when it reaches 100% to plug the charger out. No 80% rule...
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I understand your curiosity but if you want to see some differences between people doing 100% DoD and people doing 60% to 80% DoD, you should ask on the forum of an older phone.
Battery capacity loss per cycle (at normal temperatures) is too small to be seen in such a short period of time.
But if you ask buyers of the S8, or even Note 8, for example, you might start to see some differences.
Edit : Assuming that you find people actually doing 100% DoD haha.
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So we have all read reviews of the device and the battery performance. From all the reviews I read with various takes on the battery life, I can conclude one thing: HTC One has amazing stand by time but the 1080p screen undeniably consumes significant amount of power.
In other words, the best way to save power is not to use it. But you guys have better solutions, battery pack? battery case? which brand? Please share your thoughts.
I use a 7000mAh power bank from A-Solar.
With this, I can charge two phones or cameras.
http://www.a-solar.eu/EN/portable_power
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So we have all read reviews of the device and the battery performance. From all the reviews I read with various takes on the battery life, I can conclude one thing: HTC One has amazing stand by time but the 1080p screen undeniably consumes significant amount of power.
In other words, the best way to save power is not to use it. But you guys have better solutions, battery pack? battery case? which brand? Please share your thoughts.
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Use power saver setting, it'll save you at least 15% more battery!
I have been playing with mine non-stop (revision ) and a full day is easily doable.
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I have been playing with mine non-stop (revision ) and a full day is easily doable.
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What do you mean by revision?
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What do you mean by revision?
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As in im supposed to be revising for exams, as a uni student, and therefore have had alot of time procrastinating, playing with the phone .
Since ive had mine last week, ive non stop been using it, playing games, using camera, and normal day to day activities, and i must say, im sooo impressed with the battery over the One X,
For example, my One x would come off charge about 7am, by 4 - 5pm i would be charging it again. On my One i take it off the same time, and dont need to charge it till im in bed, approx 11pm - 12am.
Its brill!
Here's some of the things i've been doing since the hero days, a lot of you will know these but here they are anyway
Turn off auto brightness, move it to as low as you can bare.
Switch off all wireless controls when not in use. 3G, GPS, BT, Wifi, NFC.
Turn all email and syncs to manual (personally i leave google alone)
Try not to have a live wallpaper
Try to reduce the amount of active widgets you have.
If possible don't install apps with ads all over them, especially with push notifications, 10 or so of these on your phone can cause real problems with battery.
Use autostarts (responsibly) to reduce what starts up and when for example: Wild blood and Nova 3 (both paid for games) start up with your phone, nuke them with autostarts, there are many more.
Give your phone some full cycles of charge every now and again.
Don't use task killers and always close apps unless you really need to go back to it.
Install better battery stats and check for wakelocks, deal with them and then remove better battery stats, periodically check for them, once a month or every flash.
Try not to overcharge, if youre really picky then get a timed socket, so it'll only charge for the time that you set it to.
There are more but you get the picture, i personally get about 24 hours roughly, maybe more, i tend to charge at night time, this being my third HTC One, and that is roughly the average i got.
Hope this helps.
Fix your wakelocks, use the powersaver mode but only check data connection and CPU settings, only select reduce brightness if you're willing to deal with incredibly difficult sunlight visibility.
dladz said:
Here's some of the things i've been doing since the hero days, a lot of you will know these but here they are anyway
Turn off auto brightness, move it to as low as you can bare.
Switch off all wireless controls when not in use. 3G, GPS, BT, Wifi, NFC.
Turn all email and syncs to manual (personally i leave google alone)
Try not to have a live wallpaper
Try to reduce the amount of active widgets you have.
If possible don't install apps with ads all over them, especially with push notifications, 10 or so of these on your phone can cause real problems with battery.
Use autostarts (responsibly) to reduce what starts up and when for example: Wild blood and Nova 3 (both paid for games) start up with your phone, nuke them with autostarts, there are many more.
Give your phone some full cycles of charge every now and again.
Don't use task killers and always close apps unless you really need to go back to it.
Install better battery stats and check for wakelocks, deal with them and then remove better battery stats, periodically check for them, once a month or every flash.
Try not to overcharge, if youre really picky then get a timed socket, so it'll only charge for the time that you set it to.
There are more but you get the picture, i personally get about 24 hours roughly, maybe more, i tend to charge at night time, this being my third HTC One, and that is roughly the average i got.
Hope this helps.
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Most of these are decent. Recommending full charge cycles is not. There is no reason to drain to nothing and then charge to full. In fact, that represents a full charge cycle, and each battery has a limited number of cycles it will do. The more you do it, the more the battery degrades.
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Most of these are decent. Recommending full charge cycles is not. There is no reason to drain to nothing and then charge to full. In fact, that represents a full charge cycle, and each battery has a limited number of cycles it will do. The more you do it, the more the battery degrades.
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Agree on the first part... cycling isn't good, it also increases heat in battery which will only degrade the life of the battery, only good that comes out of it is that the battery percentage is correct, meaning it is used to make sure that the percentage you're seeing is correct but the battery life will stay the same.
Also, I thought that a charger cuts out once it has charged the phone, and so overcharging is not possible
Felnarion said:
Most of these are decent. Recommending full charge cycles is not. There is no reason to drain to nothing and then charge to full. In fact, that represents a full charge cycle, and each battery has a limited number of cycles it will do. The more you do it, the more the battery degrades.
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Well i've been doing the same thing for my whole life and i've had mobile phones for a long time and the battery for me has never been an issue.
I'm not saying to cycle it all the time, but i would do it every now and again, bare in mind that the battery will degrade after around a year anyway, even worse after two. There isn't a lot you can do in that time that will change that.
Cycling isn't going to hurt the battery at all.
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Also, I thought that a charger cuts out once it has charged the phone, and so overcharging is not possible
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Well if you pop into a phone shop and notice that the screens on the phones sometimes become a bit dodgy, up until you remove the charging cable at least, and then it begins to work again.
Plus the batteries degrade heavily on those phones that have been charged all the time, so over charging definitely has an impact on your battery.
I don't care what anyone says about it not taking charge, overcharging is bad for your phone, excessive over charging anyway.
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Also, I thought that a charger cuts out once it has charged the phone, and so overcharging is not possible
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Well if you pop into a phone shop and notice that the screens on the phones sometimes become a bit dodgy, up until you remove the charging cable at least, and then it begins to work again.
Plus the batteries degrade heavily on those phones that have been charged all the time, so over charging definitely has an impact on your battery.
I don't care what anyone says about it not taking charge, overcharging is bad for your phone, excessive over charging anyway.
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Well i've been doing the same thing for my whole life and i've had mobile phones for a long time and the battery for me has never been an issue.
I'm not saying to cycle it all the time, but i would do it every now and again, bare in mind that the battery will degrade after around a year anyway, even worse after two. There isn't a lot you can do in that time that will change that.
Cycling isn't going to hurt the battery at all.
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Well if you pop into a phone shop and notice that the screens on the phones sometimes become a bit dodgy, up until you remove the charging cable at least, and then it begins to work again.
Plus the batteries degrade heavily on those phones that have been charged all the time, so over charging definitely has an impact on your battery.
I don't care what anyone says about it not taking charge, overcharging is bad for your phone, excessive over charging anyway.
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Well if you pop into a phone shop and notice that the screens on the phones sometimes become a bit dodgy, up until you remove the charging cable at least, and then it begins to work again.
Plus the batteries degrade heavily on those phones that have been charged all the time, so over charging definitely has an impact on your battery.
I don't care what anyone says about it not taking charge, overcharging is bad for your phone, excessive over charging anyway.
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Cycling the battery does nothing for the run time except degrade it. Obviously, occasionally, isn't going to make a difference. But lets not pretend that running the battery all the way down and then charging it back up does anything at all except to use up a full charge cycle.
You're also using overcharge incorrectly. Overcharging is going beyond the limit of the battery, and this often results in flames. What you're talking about is constantly topping off while on charger overnight. So like 100>99>98>100>99>98>100 etc. That is bad for the battery, yes.
All cycling does for ur battery is make sure ur battery is reporting it's level correctly.. Nothing else. It's useful after flashing custom roms.. But it doesn't improve ur battery life or time.
I would always cycle my new phone for a few charges but after that I wouldn't bother. I've nearly always had an extra battery kit but obviously u can't do it with the htc one.
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It's strange that battery lives are variant according to your feedback, my guess is because the screen panels are from variant manufacturer.
As for myself, unplugged at 7:30am, by about 9pm I usually have less then 25%, 3hrs web surfing (using 3G), around 20 min call, one hour gaming and some texts. I think moderate would be a better word for One's battery. Sure a big improvement of One X but still no where near iPhone 5
人云奕云 said:
It's strange that battery lives are variant according to your feedback, my guess is because the screen panels are from variant manufacturer.
As for myself, unplugged at 7:30am, by about 9pm I usually have less then 25%, 3hrs web surfing (using 3G), around 20 min call, one hour gaming and some texts. I think moderate would be a better word for One's battery. Sure a big improvement of One X but still no where near iPhone 5
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Iphone 5? Can we not go there plz!
My friend an iphone die hard fan gets 8 hours max, moderate usage, nothing wrong with his iphone either, which is normal. Battery life is pants on iphone.
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Cycling the battery does nothing for the run time except degrade it. Obviously, occasionally, isn't going to make a difference. But lets not pretend that running the battery all the way down and then charging it back up does anything at all except to use up a full charge cycle.
You're also using overcharge incorrectly. Overcharging is going beyond the limit of the battery, and this often results in flames. What you're talking about is constantly topping off while on charger overnight. So like 100>99>98>100>99>98>100 etc. That is bad for the battery, yes.
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Youre literally confirming what i've already written? Stop trying to grab brownie points lad.
cycling the battery isn't going to hurt it if you do it every now and again (LIKE I SAID) as another user has said, it helps with stats and calibration.
To save the battery life , Is it ok to charge the phone even if the battery has 40 percent ? Or I should recharge it when it is less than 15 percent ?
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To save the battery life , Is it ok to charge the phone even if the battery has 40 percent ? Or I should recharge it when it is less than 15 percent ?
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Exactly,
I always (try to) charge my phone when battery shows in between (15-20%). I keep it plugged in for 1.5 hours till it reaches 95%+
Charging at 40% means you have used one of the charging cycle of a battery and i've read somewhere that every battery has 1000 charging cycles..
Yes..its better not to go there..
My friend uses iPhone 5 and he gets like one whole day with moderate usage (2 hours 3G, 1 hour of gaming, 2 Hours music.,30 minutes of calling & whatsapp ) .. i think the term moderate is different for everyone..
dladz said:
Iphone 5? Can we not go there plz!
My friend an iphone die hard fan gets 8 hours max, moderate usage, nothing wrong with his iphone either, which is normal. Battery life is pants on iphone.
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I am new in HTC phones. I will get my htc one after 2 days, i mainly want to know about battery charging cycles. how can we do that to get maximum battery life. what is mean by battery calibration ? is the battery to be calibrated in every weak ? sorry for my bad english
Once at month, you have to discarghe the phone at 0%, put it in charge and switch on it when the led is green.
The battery life, during the day, depens of you and your use of phone
Just use it. Charge it when you need to, charge it when you can, top up charge is fine. Calibration is a myth. You don't need to do anything or not do anything abnormal.
Letting it run out and leaving it empty is a bad idea. Charging it, turning it off, charging it, and whatever other voodoo is recommended is a bad idea.
Lol at two contradicting responses.
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Lol at two contradicting responses.
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Personally my thinks about battery is the same of users after my post.
But i wrote this because a lot of people say to do this...
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Guich said:
Once at month, you have to discarghe the phone at 0%, put it in charge and switch on it when the led is green.
The battery life, during the day, depens of you and your use of phone
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is their any special charging methods to be done after getting my new One ??
One charge for a day is enough for htc one if you don't play games
If you really want the most optimum battery life out of your phone then don't let it drain below 30% nor let it reach more than 90%. You'll likely get the most charge cycles and prolonged battery life with that. This suggestion sounds sarcastic but this is scientifically factual.
Riyal said:
If you really want the most optimum battery life out of your phone then don't let it drain below 30% nor let it reach more than 90%. You'll likely get the most charge cycles and prolonged battery life with that. This suggestion sounds sarcastic but this is scientifically factual.
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How many HTC one batteries did you test? Using what methodology?
The only scientific fact is that you just made up those numbers, you have no idea what charge and discharge limits have already been placed on the raw cells by the battery circuitry.
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Guich said:
Personally my thinks about battery is the same of users after my post.
But i wrote this because a lot of people say to do this...
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Quick lesson for life; feel free to engage your own brain. Stuff doesn't become true just because lots of people repeat it.
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Quick lesson for life; feel free to engage your own brain. Stuff doesn't become true just because lots of people repeat it.
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I don't use this method.
But my friend have a very good battery life with it.
So, why don't share?
I don't use it because i can't do this, it's simple
HTC One Battery Conditioning
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is their any special charging methods to be done after getting my new One ??
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G'day mate. When I had my HTC Desire, there was a process of conditioning that was advisable which pushed my battery life from 3/4 of a day to a full day. Having just received my HTC One last Friday (and what a magnificent phone it is too but that is a story for another day), I can honestly say that no conditioning is required (after-all, it does have a 2300mAH battery). I would suggest that you make sure that the first time you charge the phone, you leave it on charge for a minimum of 8hrs (as recommended by HTC). I left it on charge all day and I believe it does make a difference. As for making it last long, may I suggest you invest in an App called Juice Defender Ultimate (not very expensive but extremely useful) ? I am using this app and I have improved the battery life of my One from a single day to approx. 2.5 days. But I am an average user (emails, some internet, some music and blinkfeed). I don't watch movies on my phone so I am not too sure how that will affect battery life but I believe it will have some effect.
I hope this helps you with the answers you seek.
It's based on scientific facts.
When your battery has high load(Almost fully charged) more ions inside the battery are stored there hence doing alot of chemical changes in the battery. And chemical change is the only reason why our batteries here are losing it's capacity.
And the reason why I set 30% as the minimum is because you don't want your battery to be drained too much as there's likely chances that you'll completely drain it causing it to be broken also.
And why limit the examples on HTC One batteries? Is this a serious question or just a joke? We all know that HTC One was just released months ago and another obvious fact is it has a non removable battery. So obviously the answer would be none.
And about real life proofs about my usage and how it affects battery life do you want me to show you a nokia 3310 model still up and running for almost a 8 years now? Also want me to show you my nokia n900 which is already about 4 years now and still kicking it's battery perfectly up to now? I could have also showed you my n95 up and running till now if only it didn't break it's flex cable.
There's no such thing as integrated ticking time bomb on your battery(like rumors in the 20th century where they say electronic ICs have a hard coded date where they will totally shut off) where it would just instantly die once it reach it's recharge limit. What manufacturer in their right mind would do that? Smartphone business isn't a monopoly and every competitor would want the best of them all on their products. Also if this myth would have been true most people's device wouldn't even last a year due to plugging your phone on a computer would initiate a charge also. So would that mean that if I plug my phone on my PC 5x a day and charge it once a day it would only last roughly 6months? lol!
Also here's a good website that would backup my claim.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Partial and random charge is fine; does not need full charge; lower voltage limit preferred; keep battery cool.
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Prevent full cycles, apply some charge after a full discharge to keep the protection circuit alive.
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Keep cool, battery lasts longest when operating in mid state-of-charge of 20–80%. Prevent ultra-fast charging and high loads.
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BenPope said:
How many HTC one batteries did you test? Using what methodology?
The only scientific fact is that you just made up those numbers, you have no idea what charge and discharge limits have already been placed on the raw cells by the battery circuitry.
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Quick lesson for life; feel free to engage your own brain. Stuff doesn't become true just because lots of people repeat it.
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Did you read those websites? Because their numbers and yours don't agree. So either you made up the numbers or you obtained your scientific facts from elsewhere.
As much as I know....just dont overcharge and frequent charging. Overcharge meaning leaving your phone charged for long hours after it has reached 100%. Frequent charging meaning leaving your home with 100%, reach office at 85% and charge. Going for lunch with 92% and came back with 87% and you charge again. Get the picture? I'm no genius on batteries and dont bother looking up and reading on them. Just based on experience, over many phones. And yes, the first charge is very important.
I thinks the powersave is the best route when not playing any games. If you play games then you can call it quits!
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G'day mate. When I had my HTC Desire, there was a process of conditioning that was advisable which pushed my battery life from 3/4 of a day to a full day. Having just received my HTC One last Friday (and what a magnificent phone it is too but that is a story for another day), I can honestly say that no conditioning is required (after-all, it does have a 2300mAH battery). I would suggest that you make sure that the first time you charge the phone, you leave it on charge for a minimum of 8hrs (as recommended by HTC). I left it on charge all day and I believe it does make a difference. As for making it last long, may I suggest you invest in an App called Juice Defender Ultimate (not very expensive but extremely useful) ? I am using this app and I have improved the battery life of my One from a single day to approx. 2.5 days. But I am an average user (emails, some internet, some music and blinkfeed). I don't watch movies on my phone so I am not too sure how that will affect battery life but I believe it will have some effect.
I hope this helps you with the answers you seek.
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As much as I know....just dont overcharge and frequent charging. Overcharge meaning leaving your phone charged for long hours after it has reached 100%. Frequent charging meaning leaving your home with 100%, reach office at 85% and charge. Going for lunch with 92% and came back with 87% and you charge again. Get the picture? I'm no genius on batteries and dont bother looking up and reading on them. Just based on experience, over many phones. And yes, the first charge is very important.
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thank u so much
milkw33d said:
As much as I know....just dont overcharge and frequent charging. Overcharge meaning leaving your phone charged for long hours after it has reached 100%. Frequent charging meaning leaving your home with 100%, reach office at 85% and charge. Going for lunch with 92% and came back with 87% and you charge again. Get the picture? I'm no genius on batteries and dont bother looking up and reading on them. Just based on experience, over many phones. And yes, the first charge is very important.
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Given that the phone comes with charge in it, how much can you do to affect the first charge?
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Given that the phone comes with charge in it, how much can you do to affect the first charge?
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As much as I know, dont drain the battery too much the first time you take it out the box. All batteries comes with a little charge in it. Had a friend who used to work at a mobile company and I cant remember the term he used to describe that. But the first charge doesnt have to be exactly 8hrs. Phone might be fully charged after 4-6hrs if you hadnt used it much from the box. Just dont unplug it before it reaches 100% on the first charge. Let it get to full and leave it for another 10-15mins and its good to go.
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Once at month, you have to discarghe the phone at 0%, put it in charge and switch on it when the led is green.
The battery life, during the day, depens of you and your use of phone
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I let a cell phone battery get down to zero once. It never worked again.
I did the same with my house cleaning robot. I had to replace the battery after that.....I'm just saying.
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I let a cell phone battery get down to zero once. It never worked again.
I did the same with my house cleaning robot. I had to replace the battery after that.....I'm just saying.
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Some devices have this problem.
Mine not.
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Hi! I'm looking for a charger with auto turn off with 2 AMPs. I'm in USA so links to local shops or smth like amazon are welcome
Similar to this one, but 2 AMPs NOT 1: http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en/bussmann/consumer/products/chargesmart.html
I want to use it with my battery charger: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EB-H1J9VMAGSTA
Because with that thing you can leave your battery to charge for the whole night & not worry that you miss the moment when you should unplug it. It charges exactly as much as needed & doesn't damage your battery!
I wonder why all vendors don't make charges like this one. Maybe to sell more batteries?
Just an FYI but all phones stop charging when the battery gets full.
Also it only costs about $1 per year in electricity to keep charging your phone.
Just use the original charger for the Note2.
At least the european version of the charger delivers 2amps and
when the Phone is full or nothing is connected to it the consumption is so deep that i couldnt measure it.
why not you using your note 2 original charger & cable ?
it sure deliver full 2 Amp and able to cut off power when battery is full
I'm pretty sure what the OP meant is they want an auto-off charger to be used with the battery dock charger. Sure, the phone has an internal controller that stops charging when the battery is full, but I think the OP wants the auto-off feature with charging the battery as well. I'm not completely sure, but I believe there should be a charge controller inside that Samsung dock. If you're up to the challenge, you can take apart your battery charger and see for yourself. Any kind of circuit between the charger and the battery should be the voltage/current regulator, and quite possibly the charge controller.
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Just an FYI but all phones stop charging when the battery gets full.
Also it only costs about $1 per year in electricity to keep charging your phone.
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1) The phone looses 2-3% overnight. So when it charged to 100% & then looses 1% it starts to charge again. I think it's called "trickle charges" & I was worried if it could reduce the battery's ability to charge to true 100% in the long term.
But I read several articles about it & looks like with today's batteries this is almost not a problem & you can leave your phone to charge overnight.
2) I know that exposure to heat is the worst thing fir litium batteries, but several articles confirmed that there's no such a problem with today's phones & batteries.
& it was not about electricity bill anyway )
& yes I do use both original Samsung charger (travel one with 2 amps) & Samsung docking station to which I posted the link in my first post.
Thank you guys!
Here're the prooflinks to some of the articles I've read about overnight charging, maybe someone wants to read them too:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ng-over-night-do-any-kind-damage-battery.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one/288313-safe-charge-battery-overnight.html
The problem with lithium ion batteries in our phones is that it has a shelf life rated at 2 years. By the time you were able to wear your battery down through it's rated cycles, it would be time to get a new one anyways. I would suggest to buy a new battery in a year or so which should last the life of your phone if you don't sell it or upgrade.
If you find what you want, awesome. I see it as unneeded waste to buy something like that if integrity of the battery is an issue. Each battery has an IC chip that controls everything needed to operate at its' maximum. Any gains in battery life would be negligible due to its' shelf life. Sorry :/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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1) The phone looses 2-3% overnight. So when it charged to 100% & then looses 1% it starts to charge again. I think it's called "trickle charges" & I was worried if it could reduce the battery's ability to charge to true 100% in the long term.
But I read several articles about it & looks like with today's batteries this is almost not a problem & you can leave your phone to charge overnight.
2) I know that exposure to heat is the worst thing fir litium batteries, but several articles confirmed that there's no such a problem with today's phones & batteries.
& it was not about electricity bill anyway )
& yes I do use both original Samsung charger (travel one with 2 amps) & Samsung docking station to which I posted the link in my first post.
Thank you guys!
Here're the prooflinks to some of the articles I've read about overnight charging, maybe someone wants to read them too:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ng-over-night-do-any-kind-damage-battery.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one/288313-safe-charge-battery-overnight.html
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The problem with lithium ion batteries in our phones is that it has a shelf life rated at 2 years. By the time you were able to wear your battery down through it's rated cycles, it would be time to get a new one anyways. I would suggest to buy a new battery in a year or so which should last the life of your phone if you don't sell it or upgrade.
If you find what you want, awesome. I see it as unneeded waste to buy something like that if integrity of the battery is an issue. Each battery has an IC chip that controls everything needed to operate at its' maximum. Any gains in battery life would be negligible due to its' shelf life. Sorry :/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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So the point of my last post is that I'm not going to buy anything. Please read what you're quoting before posting
Or please be explicit? Your post didn't offer any hard impression on me that you were properly informed. Sorry I don't have time to decipher poorly expressed thoughts.
Good night.
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Or please be explicit? Your post didn't offer any hard impression on me that you were properly informed. Sorry I don't have time to decipher poorly expressed thoughts.
Good night.
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1) .... but I read several articles about it & looks like with today's batteries this is almost not a problem & you can leave your phone to charge overnight.
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2) .... but several articles confirmed that there's no such a problem with today's phones & batteries.
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Here're the prooflinks to some of the articles I've read about overnight charging, maybe someone wants to read them too:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sam...e-battery.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc...overnight.html
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So don't be lazy or too willing to get extra +1 in your "Posts" section. If you don't want to "decipher" OP posts then why answer at all? :laugh:
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
Source:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.
How are we supposed to charge the phone? Do I let it drain all the way to zero the first few times, to "calibrate it" and then try to keep it between 80 and 30 percent?
I've heard getting to go all the way to zero is really bad? It also causes the battery to heat up a lot when it's being recharged?
I've gone through one charge cycle so far. And charged it at 11%. I wanted to let it go to 1%, but chose not to.
Someone help me with this. What is the best way to treat the battery when you first get it?
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What is the best way to treat the battery when you first get it?
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I just charge it when it goes low and I have time to plug it in. I don't have a specific preferences, whether @ 30, 20 or 15% regardless. I don't think there are any special requirements for that, though I see ppl create their own beliefs and the'd swear to it as "the most optimal charging routine".
Thanks man!
Any other opinions would be greatly appreciated.
At this point in battery tech i believe it doesn't matter. But a lot of ppl and articles suggest to keep phone in 20-80% range.
I did charge it up to 100% when new, then let it get down to about 25%, but generally I try to keep my phones as close to 50 as possible, with shorter frequent charges. I have wireless chargers on my desk at work and home, so it's simple to just set them there occasionally as needed. I have fast wireless charging turned off to keep heat down, and an app on the phone with an alarm that goes off when the charge hits 75%, but I'll often take it off closer to 60 if it's convenient. I'll put it back on around 40%. I'll charge it up further if I'm going to be out for a long day, and will plug it in if I need a faster charge. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
i use accubattery and use its alarm function to alarm me by default 80% charged
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NO. NO. It's 30-80%.
Better yet: 37-65%. Or, if you want to be dangerous: 35-65%.
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I did charge it up to 100% when new, then let it get down to about 25%, but generally I try to keep my phones as close to 50 as possible, with shorter frequent charges. I have wireless chargers on my desk at work and home, so it's simple to just set them there occasionally as needed. I have fast wireless charging turned off to keep heat down, and an app on the phone with an alarm that goes off when the charge hits 75%, but I'll often take it off closer to 60 if it's convenient. I'll put it back on around 40%. I'll charge it up further if I'm going to be out for a long day, and will plug it in if I need a faster charge. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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I keep it around 40% at home.
I even have a 1W charger LOL. It can do 40 to 100% in 8 hours! Perfect for sleep.
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NO. NO. It's 30-80%.
Better yet: 37-65%. Or, if you want to be dangerous: 35-65%.
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or better to not have a smart phone at all if people get so picky!!
Guys, just do as the phone tells you, when it reaches 15% .. put it on charger until 100%. It gonna last at least 1-1,5 year before you notice the degradation of the battery.
Using the same method as @nightoooo above.
I'm only on my 2nd phone, first was $99.00 phone that lasted 3 years and now over 2 years into my Samsung A20 with no noticeable change in battery life.
I use the AccuBattery app with IFTTT and a smart plug for the charger. I set AccuBattery to create a notification when battery charge reaches 76%. This creates a notification saying to disconnect the charger once a 76% charge is reached. The Android device service in the IFTTT app sees this notification and then IFTTT sends an order to the smart plug’s app telling it to turn off the smart plug. I have been using this configyration for several years and it works like a charm. My previous phone, a Pixel 2 XL, has never been charged to 100% and after 2 1/2 years of use the battery is still working fine.
My 10+ lasted 1.5 years of heavy usage.
It then failed. Don't delude yourself as to the longevity of Li's. You may do better or worse.
Batteries are cheap and relatively easy to replace. A Li failure can total the phone.
Regardless how long it last once it's capacity is less than 80% of it new capacity it's time to replace it.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Signs of failure; sharp drop in capacity in a short amount of time, erratic fast charging, case bulging ie battery swelling which can damage the display or worse.
There's no reason to discharge below 20% except to calibrate. Charging beyond 90% takes too long and is stressful on the battery.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. This isn't a NicCad or a lead acid so forget those rules. 40-70% is near ideal.
Charging start temp should be 82°F or above.
NEVER attempt to charge one that is 40°F or less.
Avoid letting charge temperature go much over 100°F.
Regardless of the charger or time, it will stop charging at 100%... if you insist.
I use midrange power cyvling with a fast charger because it's quick and convenient, more bang for the buck. If I replace this battery next month I really don't care as at this point it's just routine maintenance to me.
blackhawk said:
relatively easy to replace.
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Here we go again. No, they're not easy to replace for the average Joe.
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Here we go again. No, they're not easy to replace for the average Joe.
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Don't make me laugh too hard... I was once like you. Have someone do it for you. I got mine done for $50 and learned.
There's not many phones that are harder than the 10+ to replace the battery.
And it's a cake walk
Replacing the LCD screens on my 5D and MK3 were harder only because you need to line up the one time use wrap around rubber skin perfectly the first time when reassembling.
Still intimidated?
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Don't make me laugh too hard... I was once like you. Have someone do it for you. I got mine done for $50 and learned.
There's not many phones that are harder than the 10+ to replace the battery.
And it's a cake walk
Replacing the LCD screens on my 5D and MK3 were harder only because you need to line up the one time use wrap around rubber skin perfectly the first time when reassembling.
Still intimidated?
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It's difficult to buy genuine batteries in many countries. Most people would rather have an original battery from the manufacturer last longer than have it degrade and replace it with something from a questionable source. Again, the discussion here is how to minimise battery degradation and prolong it's life rather than learn how to replace a battery.
Analogy: If someone asks a question like "How should I drive my car so that the engine doesn't wear out fast and lasts longer?" To suggest that you should not cultivate good driving habits, and abuse the engine, then replace it in a year isn't going to help. This kind of approach may work for someone who like to drift and drag-race or race but not for the average person who likes to take good care of his/her stuff.
Everyone knows that when something fails and stops working, it needs to be replaced. But that isn't what we are discussing here. We'd like to prolong it's life and prevent premature failure.
About a month ago I went on the Samsung Members app and put in a request that they add the ability to terminate charging at a user selectable charge level in their Bixby Routines. I then called their tech support 800 number provided in the Samsung Members app and verbally made the same request. The person I spoke with thought it was a great idea. I have never heard back from Samsung about them implementing such a feature though. It would possibly help if they received many more similar requests. If it was a popular request they would be more likely to add it the their software.
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It's difficult to buy genuine batteries in many countries. Most people would rather have an original battery from the manufacturer last longer than have it degrade and replace it with something from a questionable source. Again, the discussion here is how to minimise battery degradation and prolong it's life rather than learn how to replace a battery.
Analogy: If someone asks a question like "How should I drive my car so that the engine doesn't wear out fast and lasts longer?" To suggest that you should not cultivate good driving habits, and abuse the engine, then replace it in a year isn't going to help. This kind of approach may work for someone who like to drift and drag-race or race but not for the average person who likes to take good care of his/her stuff.
Everyone knows that when something fails and stops working, it needs to be replaced. But that isn't what we are discussing here. We'd like to prolong it's life and prevent premature failure.
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The worst thing you can do is not change out a degraded Li. You risk destroying the whole phone. Excuses are like...
You want to ration your cell usage?
Go for it.
I could add a whole list of things to prolong the battery life but it's not worth it.
The battery is flimsy, cost about $14 and was born to die. Parts are readily available especially a year after the release.
Even an amateur can change one out in less then an hour. Rear covers are about $16 but you won't break it if you don't rush it. But the details matter and you can't force parts or over torque screws, less is better. If you're really nervous practice on some scrape phones which aren't too hard to come by.
It's a lot easier than rotating a set of tires or changing a set of spark plugs.
Right off the top of my head, what you need:
Heat gun, fine tip tweezers (for the micro connectors), the proper micro drivers* (sold in kits just for this), plastic picks, sunction cup (optional), anhydrous isopropyl alcohol with a needle applicator syringe or bottle, OEM adhesive seal for the rear cover and the battery. About $35-50:less the heat gun. Optical aids are optional. Keep room humidity greater than 50%.
Sounds intimidating but it's not. Learn by doing.
*use a magnet to magnetize them if they're not already.
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How are we supposed to charge the phone? Do I let it drain all the way to zero the first few times, to "calibrate it" and then try to keep it between 80 and 30 percent?
I've heard getting to go all the way to zero is really bad? It also causes the battery to heat up a lot when it's being recharged?
I've gone through one charge cycle so far. And charged it at 11%. I wanted to let it go to 1%, but chose not to.
Someone help me with tKodi noxhis. What is the best way to treat the battery when you first get it?
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I simply charge it when it goes low and i have time to plug it in. I don't have a particular preferences, whether or not @ 30, 20 or 15% regardless. I don't assume there are any unique necessities for that, though I see ppl create their own beliefs and the'd swear to it as "the most optimal charging recurring".
When I first get the phone, I charge it to 100% and that's it.
After that, keep it in the 30-80% range and your future self will thank you.