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Development is going to be good!

Alot of Developers have bought this phone!! development for Xperia T / TX and V is going to be good! so far we have 2 elite developers 2 recog developers,, correct me if i am wrong

FXP have 4 members
Bin4ry, Defer, Kali, Jerpelea

Codeworkx!
Tilal6991 too for paranoid android

Gok for kernel is gonna be beast.

Lol @ 4. Good start but not exactly a lot. Yet.
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Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.

Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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well this is my first sony device, but looks promising, if sony stays open and doesn't screw up like samsung did, even if they are on updates, we'll have CM team for regural updates. actually, i hope this is first device i'll have for more than a year.
we'll see.
Sent from my Xperia T

Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.

I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.

^aha your right
hello developer!

i think xperia t will get popular because it is the bond phone and the tx looks great in terms of design so it will get popular

Snow_fox said:
Not to doubt or anything but, what is Sony support looking like? I know dev support often is limited by the manufacturer. This isn't exactly the most active section either. Will having devs draw people in? Or will lack of people pull devs away?
Strong chance I'm getting the att version (TL) but, I will admit to being worried about lack of support after a year and having a year left one contract with no official support and lack of dev support because something flashier came out.
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TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
tilal6991 said:
I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah. The Infuse was a less popular device, and as a result, the developer community was highly cooperative for a while. Unfortunately, the device itself was a nightmare to work with so it was ditched by many. Although, interestingly enough, now that some of the worst aspects of this device development-wise have been identified, the Infuse is becoming kind of fun to work with again.
In the case of the T - all evidence seems to indicate that it's going to be a highly pleasant device to work with, AND if it's not a super-popular device, it may have a more pleasant development community than some of the more popular devices.
There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.

AvRS said:
Support is looking good for devs to get started and this can be seen from the speed CM10 has become available and is progressing on this device. I don't see the lack of activity in this forum as a bad thing and for a dev it's a good thing because they're not hassled every 2 mins with the same repeated support questions or for ETA's (don't do it ). Devs don't choose devices because they're popular, they choose them because they're good to work on and because they personally like the device as remember this is a hobby after all. I for one, if I do get this phone will hope for it to remain as one of the quieter forums but once people start finishing their contracts I can see it attracting a number of people. I finish mine end of this month so that's when I'll be choosing but that choice is based on how easy it'll be to work with as I like to have a play with compiling myself but only for myself really.
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I will have to decide on December 1st what phone I'm going to myself.
I personally understand the appeal of a quieter forum where the same issues aren't asked every couple of minutes.. Once or twice, I've actually had trouble finding a solution wading through the, "How do I ________" and most of them had the response, "do a search" :silly:
tilal6991 said:
I actually chose this device precisely hoping that it wouldn't become too popular. It becomes crazy when people start almost harassing you for a release.
With a less popular device its much more fun.
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Yeah.... there are a lot of ungrateful members. I find myself in an awkward position because, I'm not skilled enough to develop a ROM but, I'm know I'm reliant on whatever XDA puts out to stay up to date with the latest ROMs.
Entropy512 said:
TL developer support is going to highly depend on the bootloader locking situation.
As I understand it, AT&T has a bad habit of forcing bootloader locks. I refuse to support any device that has a locked bootloader which is not officially unlockable - even if the lock gets broken unofficially, it's the principle of the thing.
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If I were in a position to take that stance, I would myself.
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There's an existing well-established team of developers with Sony experience, AND there are also a number of Samsung Exynos refugees that have already made the jump or (in my case) are just waiting to see what their local version of the T has to offer.
That said - based on the developers I've seen hopping over, things are going to be heavily weighed in the AOSP-based firmware side of things. Sony's recent devices have become very attractive to developers of AOSP derivatives due to:
Sony's cooperation with the community in terms of technical information and source releases (see DASH)
Most Sony devices are based on Qualcomm chipsets, and over the past year, CodeAurora has emerged as a high quality reference codebase. (CAF has existed for a long time, but it's not really until this year that I saw people using it heavily.)
Sony's explicit AOSP support, both in terms of binary releases to support JBQ's Xperia S project, and frequent commits to AOSP. In fact, they have one developer working part-time on the AOSP Xperia S tree!
However, going back to Snow_fox's comments - if you want a device that is guaranteed not to be dropped early, purchase a Nexus. With any non-Nexus device, you are always taking risks.
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That unfortunately isn't really entirely an option for me. I'm on a family plan and have no capability of getting out of it at the moment. I don't have enough data to make 16 gigs with no SD card feasible.
I really got lucky when my Captivate had identical hardware to the Nexus S and Samsung was actually good about supporting the devs.
Look at the Samsung Exynos situation - A year ago, Samsung devices were looking like your best bet for ongoing developer support. However, over the past year, a variety of things have changed:
Samsung constantly releases broken HALs that require all sorts of workarounds, and don't play nicely with backwards-compatibility solutions that work on other devices. ICS and JB bringup on Exynos4 devices has been an utter nightmare, leading to the entire team of CM on Exynos devices burning out or coming damn close to it
Samsung decided to use their phones as an outlet for gigantic batches of defective eMMC flash chips. They put workarounds in their firmware but didn't tell anyone. The end result is that you have to tread carefully with any 2011-model Samsung device. Their poor handling of the eMMC disaster has left a sour taste in many developers' mouths.
As a result, many developers are leaving, not necessarily for a device that is flashier, but one that is at least more developer-friendly. I think that in many cases, the Xperia TL will be a downgrade for me compared to my Galaxy Note... But dealing with the Exynos in the Note is driving me utterly insane.
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Do you think that may have some weight on why Google decided to hop to LG for a Nexus device?
Either way, it sounds like I'll be on the Xperia TL or LG Optimus G this upgrade. The decision isn't exactly becoming easier to make though. At least I managed to scratch off the HOX+

i chose xperia phones becase developers say they are not hard to develop , i have an xperia ray and i have a buttload of roms to choose from... i cant decide so i need to fash every 2week!! (flashaholic :l)

also because sony provides solution for bootloader unlock

Here's what I know so far for the TL. Keep in mind none of this is official, and it is preliminary, so could change.
1) The bootloader will NOT be unlockable on any device that has an active SIMlock. e.g. any device sold on AT&T with a contract subsidy is not going to have an unlockable bootloader. This is almost 100% definite.
2) The bootloader should be unlockable for users who pay full price for the device from AT&T, e.g. anyone who can receive an immediate SIM unlock with AT&T's policies. That said, while AT&T says that any person with a full-price device should be able to immediately remove SIMlocks, often it's a major hassle, and I worry that the bootloader unlock "allowability" process will be even less integrated. Don't count on unlocking your bootloader if you purchase full-price directly from AT&T.
3) Sony may sell the device directly (again - they MAY do it, it's not guaranteed), direct-purchase devices will almost surely have an unlockable bootloader (Not guaranteed, but very likely).

Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:

niuzhd said:
Well,TX seems doesn't support for the rom made to T:crying:
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of course not. It's a different device

Coming from laggy XS, now holding TX,
Sony is doing it right this time, TX design and ICS are so smooth, fast and bug free( at least haven't encounter any yet), TBH I don't have any intention to flash Rom or wait for update (JB).
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Coustom roms to Xiaomi note pro - Anyone?

Xiaomi promises to update to Android 6 our beloved Note pro, when are this gonna happen?
Other phones with same processor Snap 810 already has android 6 running like one plus 2.
Xiaomi keep giving us useless updates, and when comes with one good update is full of bugs. - No real developing for our Note pro.
Some coustom roms (3 roms and android 5.1.1 - Mokke and CM12.1 (batery drain problem and developer abandoned this roms), Flyme (full of chinese stuff dont get me wrong, but i can not read chinese, at least the apps could be in english. no google play and gives error installing gapps, ota update gives error and can not install any update)- so little developing.
Any one can give us a real working rom (not Miui) whithout this problems and if it can be android 6?

I don't think there's much going to be in terms of development. If you check github for mokee on the other thread, there's bit of activity.
I think we all agree that the phone is not that impressive especially issues with overheating 810. I don't care what miui fanboys say but it definitely heats up when charging and browsing at the same time. You can't touch your face with top corner of the phone due to the hear. I guess we were wrong if we thought if we able to flash other rooms other miui.
Heck, my galaxy s2 is still getting weekly updates for LP and MM rows. Disappointing. Just going to get nexus 6p
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If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.

zelendel said:
If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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Not a bad OEM at all, I do like Xiaomi but they do make some bad decisions sometimes. Wish there was more development from the community.

this is a great phone, with great specs, but with poor developing, i hope that one or two developers can give us a really great android 6 rom

Given up on the mi note pro and bought G5, guess what nothing happening here in the way of roms either, my wife has the note pro now.

Kahun said:
Not a bad OEM at all, I do like Xiaomi but they do make some bad decisions sometimes. Wish there was more development from the community.
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You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague

zelendel said:
If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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Obviously, I can see that you typical fanboy
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Gurusev_Uppal said:
Obviously, I can see that you typical fanboy
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First off don't be mad because you did t do your research before getting a device.
Second I would watch how you speak to me before you end up removed.

helderfp said:
this is a great phone, with great specs, but with poor developing, i hope that one or two developers can give us a really great android 6 rom
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To an extent, the heating issues are a fact for mi note pro and other mi phones are getting aosp roms but not much for mi note pro which is flagship device.
Having said that other oem phones with 810 are getting updates and there is overheating issues
Sent from my MI NOTE Pro using Tapatalk

zelendel said:
You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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And why the main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague any reason?

helderfp said:
And why the main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague any reason?
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There are many reasons. The first being that this OEM seldom puts out the proper source code. Violating the GPL is a common thing for china/Asia based devices. Not something 3rd party devs like very much. Then you also have the fact that the MIUI team are known Kangers to the point of removing authorship on commits. We all know how well that goes over. You have to remember where MIUI started. Right here. There is a reason they were banned for so long from here. Another is the warez market that replaces the PlayStore in China based devices. Need I go on?

Don't worry we will see soon Android 6 on the new Miui 8 for our phone...and since there is no problem, there is no need to get new roms but would not be bad to have more choise, also if I would like they care more about camera that is not enough optimized for its quality
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Now I know seem very negative about this OEM and in truth I am. The greatest joy I get is when users like you guys do it anyway. Just because the devs for the teams don't get the devices to support doesn't mean hope is lost. It all depends on how much effort you guys want to put in. You have the devices now so you have 2 choices. 1. Take what they give you and accept it. Or 2. Refuse to and make things happen. The first is the easiest road to take.
There are thousands of threads to help. Read up and see what you guys can do. Remember that is how xda started. Taking what oems gave us and making them better. The ball is and always has been in the users court.

Gurusev_Uppal said:
I think we all agree that the phone is not that impressive especially issues with overheating 810. I don't care what miui fanboys say but it definitely heats up when charging and browsing at the same time. You can't touch your face with top corner of the phone due to the hear.
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I'm not a fanboy of anything (except maybe Fanboy's Adblock List) but I don't experience any of those "810 issues" that get mentioned so much. I use the phone on a daily basis and it never overheats. Granted, I don't play games, so if you do, YMMV. In my usage scenario, the phone can get a little warm when simultaneously charging and using GPS navigation with screen always on but just when browsing? This I really don't get.
To me the phone is actually quite impressive, especially considering how much (or how little) I paid for it. The only annoyance is that the battery capacity could be larger than the ~3000 mAh. That being said, I don't think it's a power drain issue as it's primarily the screen time that is sucking the battery juice, and that is to be expected. So if they could fit a 4000-5000 mAh battery into it, it would have made a marked difference. Other than that, the phone is great.
The little developer attention it gets is because of its limited availability in the West, which is where most (and the best part of) the community-driven development happens. And even in China, the Note Pro has been the most expensive Xiaomi device ever sold to-date. With it, Xiaomi were trying to break into another market segment, or perhaps at least establish themselves as a company that does "premium" phones too. It was never really supposed to sell in high numbers, and for this reason the availability of promotional pricing was also limited. Most of the time, the phone was not really cheap already in China, and when resold abroad through middlemen that also had to earn their cut, it was never going to become a proposition for the masses.
Basically, for high developer activity you need to have a wide user base in the cultural West, due to in particular better work-life balance and the open-source ethos. Missing out on this is Xiaomi's biggest weakness, especially aggravated in America due to the lack of local 4G band support. If you want a lot of development, buy a Nexus device, although these days it pretty much guarantees you'll be overpaying for the hardware. Some Xiaomi devices also get quite a lot of development but for this you should choose a lower-cost one that is or will eventually be released globally. The Redmi Note 3 Pro is one example of such a device and it has already overtaken the Mi Note Pro in terms of development despite being released much later.
As for myself, I prefer MIUI to AOSP/CM in terms of interface although I'm not really happy with the direction its development seems to have taken (MIUI becoming more bloated and less customizable). It would of course be great to have an alternative in case I have to jump the ship but the hype with the version bump from Android 5.1 to 6.0 (which should more accurately be numbered 4.5.1 and 4.6) again I don't get.
Just my 2¢...

zelendel said:
You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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That's understandable but it's not the OEM but the actual device. Firstly if you look at phones like the main Mi series or the Redmi series they have HUGE amount of development. The reason for that? .. Kernel sources were released early we didn't have to wait over a year and the user base is absolutely huge unlike the Mi Note Pro that's exclusive only to China no other Asian countries such as India. So you are like comparing OEM's that released a phone e.g HTC One (GLOBALLY) which everyone can get to a Mi Note Pro (EXCLUSIVE TO CHINA) that's why there is hardly any development going + the delay of kernel sources and forgot to mention a lot of people got for the cheaper option such as Mi Note which has a lot more development as the USER BASE IS BIGGER. Simple? If you were developing an app what would you develop it for first? Android or Blackberry OS? Obviously Android as it has a bigger USER BASE. Same goes for the phones developers work on ROMs with a lot bigger user base where they will reach a lot bigger audience.

Even Xiaomi shows this with their actions:
The new MIUI8 Beta gets released for Mi Note, which is much wider spread (due to it's price difference). Even though the Pro has a much better SD810 compared to the Mi Note. That also went for most experiments like a Windows ROM for the Mi Note, but not for the Mi Note Pro.

Kahun said:
That's understandable but it's not the OEM but the actual device. Firstly if you look at phones like the main Mi series or the Redmi series they have HUGE amount of development. The reason for that? .. Kernel sources were released early we didn't have to wait over a year and the user base is absolutely huge unlike the Mi Note Pro that's exclusive only to China no other Asian countries such as India. So you are like comparing OEM's that released a phone e.g HTC One (GLOBALLY) which everyone can get to a Mi Note Pro (EXCLUSIVE TO CHINA) that's why there is hardly any development going + the delay of kernel sources and forgot to mention a lot of people got for the cheaper option such as Mi Note which has a lot more development as the USER BASE IS BIGGER. Simple? If you were developing an app what would you develop it for first? Android or Blackberry OS? Obviously Android as it has a bigger USER BASE. Same goes for the phones developers work on ROMs with a lot bigger user base where they will reach a lot bigger audience.
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See you are looking at this wrong. There is a hug diff between developers of roms and app developers. App developers want people using their apps. It's a great way to make money. Rom developers really couldn't care less.
The fact that it is only available in Asia is not really a big deal. Most developers here (myself encluded) have been importing devices for decades. Hell I was using a China based tilt for the FFC before apple ever released the first one stateside. So if developers wanted the device they could easily get it.

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See you are looking at this wrong. There is a hug diff between developers of roms and app developers. App developers want people using their apps. It's a great way to make money. Rom developers really couldn't care less.
The fact that it is only available in Asia is not really a big deal. Most developers here (myself encluded) have been importing devices for decades. Hell I was using a China based tilt for the FFC before apple ever released the first one stateside. So if developers wanted the device they could easily get it.
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So tell me the reason they stay away apart from taking ages with kernel sources

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So tell me the reason they stay away apart from taking ages with kernel sources
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You have to understand that MIUI has a history here. The team is known for taking the code of other devs and removing the authorship of the commit. (they were caught out and then they closed the source) There have been many supporters over the years. I was a huge fan when they started because the Theme engine had great potential. Key word is "had". The main developer for APT tool was a huge supporter for a while and then even he dropped all support for Xiaomi and MIUI.
The GPL is also a very big deal to most developers. It embodies that which Linux/Android is built on. Even when they do release it, it is never complete and needs fixing. This only happens because they are behind the China firewall.
If you notice it is not just this OEM. It is many others. If you look in team groups and pay attention you will notice a pattern. There are OEMs that are avoided. Xiaomi has been one of them for years. Huawei has also been one for a long time. Heck they were even on a ban list for Gov employees. And the dreaded Generic named device. Now this is for many reasons. Quality control, After sales ,support, GPL (android), Security concerns, The iphoneish look (this matters to many, far more then you would think). So there are some reasons. Hope this has offered some insight.

[Discussion] Not happy P8 won't be updated to Nougat? REPORT!

Hey people. I am P9 user BUT I am not happy that your phones won't be updated to Nougat. This means my P9 won't get Android 8... This is ridiculous! Not even 2 years of OS updates?
So Report HERE to these muth*ducker from Huawei so they realize how stupid this is!
Product & Technical Support - Complaints - Maintenance period!
It's a joke with these specs phones to get only one Major Update!
Don't be silent people! You are the one who make these companies rich! And they treat you like this? After all you paid with hard earned money!

I'm not sure if they are going to care about, there are some compability issues with Android 7 and the Hardware of the Huawei P8, guess its too much afford for them.
But we wont even get EMUI 5, thid is kinda sad.
I just hope the CM13 Port will be finished soon.
But its worth a try..

Correct me if I'm wrong. I understand that it's because the chip of P8 (Mali-T628) does not support some features of Android N (like vulkan API). So it's not because they don't want to...

what is more interesting is that my old phones like Samsung Galaxy s4 mini and Galaxy ACE 2, which are pretty old phones, handle nougat via cyanogenmod, but in matter of P8 thare are compatibility issues? how is this possible?

00471 said:
what is more interesting is that my old phones like Samsung Galaxy s4 mini and Galaxy ACE 2, which are pretty old phones, handle nougat via cyanogenmod, but in matter of P8 thare are compatibility issues? how is this possible?
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Lots of people have Samsung phones so there is a "market" for keeping these going.
The source code is available.
They tend to use hardware that lots of other devices use.
Huawei use proprietary hardware on a smaller number of devices.

beardedwonder said:
Lots of people have Samsung phones so there is a "market" for keeping these going.
The source code is available.
They tend to use hardware that lots of other devices use.
Huawei use proprietary hardware on a smaller number of devices.
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what market do you mean? galaxy ace 2 and s4mini ended with kitkat with message that their hw can not handle lollipop, so ridiculous considering that cynaogenmod 14 runs on both of them better than official stock rom 4-5 years ago, i think this is all bull*hit, if they wanted to bring us nougat, they could, how they even could release flagship knowing that they will not be able to release at least 2 updates? this is not normal

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what market do you mean? galaxy ace 2 and s4mini ended with kitkat with message that their hw can not handle lollipop, so ridiculous considering that cynaogenmod 14 runs on both of them better than official stock rom 4-5 years ago, i think this is all bull*hit, if they wanted to bring us nougat, they could, how they even could release flagship knowing that they will not be able to release at least 2 updates? this is not normal
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By "market" I meant for developers. I can get the latest CM running on my S2. I don't think Samsung should still be supporting it.
The only reason those phones are still running up to date software is that 3rd parties have developed for them.
With most android phones you can expect one major update and that is normal and has been the case for many years. If you don't like it you should get a nexus or at least a phone with a more common chipset with community support.
Huawei should just release all the code necessary to allow for 3rd party development on their phones, especially when they stop updating them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong. I understand that it's because the chip of P8 (Mali-T628) does not support some features of Android N (like vulkan API). So it's not because they don't want to...
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They do not want to. Now they have an excuse.

Community development strength

You're a power user. Can the Sony Xperia X keep up? Rate this thread to express how "healthy" the development scene is for the Sony Xperia X. A higher rating indicates available root methods, kernels, and custom ROMs.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

really bad comparing to other devices

I don't agree. We got official Paranoid omni and lineageOs, some stock custom rom with mods and some very talented dev into open Xperia device community. This phone has the lastest OS given by Google and enhanced by Sony (aosp source availaable even for 7.1.1).
We will have Android 8 and, with it the new update system... That means more custom rom possibility.

Gazatus said:
I don't agree. We got official Paranoid omni and lineageOs, some stock custom rom with mods and some very talented dev into open Xperia device community. This phone has the lastest OS given by Google and enhanced by Sony (aosp source availaable even for 7.1.1).
We will have Android 8 and, with it the new update system... That means more custom rom possibility.
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lineageos? is there any?

coconutxyz said:
lineageos? is there any?
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LINEAGE ?????
Where is?

No official Lineage. I hope, the official SailfishOS port will arrive soon.
And when this happens, the X will rise.

Dev community pretty bad as of right now... There's a lot of hope but still years behind dev community behind motorola/oneplus/etc

mase76 said:
No official Lineage. I hope, the official SailfishOS port will arrive soon.
And when this happens, the X will rise.
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SailfishOS is an absolute deal breaker for me, as you will have to pay for SailfishOS for the Xperia X.
I don't see a reason why I should pay for a OS, which still lacks of features and probably will be released anyway when the xperia x is completly death.

Did you ever try SFOS? The usage is much cooler than
Android. And there will be an runtime env for Android apps.
I don't have a problem to pay for good things. But nobody
forces you to buy an Xperia X or pay for an alternative OS.
And you know, that an Android with Google services isn't
as free as you think?
Ok, it is getting offtopic.

If we'll could talk with Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 dev community, maybe we have other expectations with the development for this and Xperia X Compact device(s).
BTW, I been wanted show you that: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/development/rom-aosp-oreo-t3664605
Regards.

Very bad compared to my 3 years old Asus Zenfone
This even getting Oreo
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-5/development/rom-aosp-oreo-tank0412-t3663733

Their Snapdragon 650 is a good SoC for Development, more, searching fix some errors that Sony let...
The problem is our own Dev here, is very low...
IDK why.
We'll should to port some things from Xiaomi's Phones (Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Snapdragon and Xiaomi Mi Max), or, fuse our Dev with them Dev for making "bigger" to Snapdragon 650 SoC, at least.

SahilCrazy said:
SailfishOS is an absolute deal breaker for me, as you will have to pay for SailfishOS for the Xperia X.
I don't see a reason why I should pay for a OS, which still lacks of features and probably will be released anyway when the xperia x is completly death.
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u know that jolla give you the option to compile sailfish x for yourself right? And you know that they need to make money because they paid sony for licenses etc. and have taxes and coworker etc.? It's not like that jolla is a one-man show in a cellar like some others here like to think or are by themself

Guys please don't say our dev community strength sucks that's just unfair and of poor taste. WHY? Because.
Sony Xperia X wasn't much of a hit phone anyway it was expensive and was reviewed as a poor excuse for a flagship phone when it was released so nobody even bothered buy one there were better options back then and this phone did not deserve any attention in fact I only bought this phone because it was so damn cheap when I bought it last year. (from a 2nd hand seller for 150$)
I won't expect lots of devs and variety on custom ROMs for this phone, but I'm happy and grateful that we still got great devs here even if there's only a few.

cyanides13 said:
Guys please don't say our dev community strength sucks that's just unfair and of poor taste. WHY? Because.
Sony Xperia X wasn't much of a hit phone anyway it was expensive and was reviewed as a poor excuse for a flagship phone when it was released so nobody even bothered buy one there were better options back then and this phone did not deserve any attention in fact I only bought this phone because it was so damn cheap when I bought it last year. (from a 2nd hand seller for 150$)
I won't expect lots of devs and variety on custom ROMs for this phone, but I'm happy and grateful that we still got great devs here even if there's only a few.
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Now, is the "most seller" together to the Xiaomi A1.
With this, maybe we could see something for make to develop even more for this SoC.

Community development is bad, but not the worst. Unfortunately, "Bootloader unlock allowed" is "No" on my phone so I can't use anything community developed/maintained regardless.

IMO it's alright. We're still under cover of Sony's AOSP and various official projects (Omni and PA), and outside of that there are Unofficial LOS and Treble by Chippa_ahttps://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=6994234 and Sjll respectively. Some of those ROMs are usable as daily driver.
Props to any and all developers who have been keeping this phone alive.

Is there no developer to develop custom rom?

I'm wondering is there no capable developer here who can build custom rom for Nokia 8?I don't have the proper programming language skill to deal with maintaining source codes to develop a proper custom rom for Nokia 8.If someone has skill in programming language but doesn't have a powerful machine I can collaborate with that. I could request some developer I know to build rom for this phone but someone has to donate a Nokia 8 to them to do that,oh well...
Guess I'll have to sell this Phone if nothing happens for this heavenly neglected phone.

Thing is, Nokia 8 is not a popular device. Just look at our forum, it's almost dead.
So even if there is a good chef owning a Nokia 8, that's probably his secondary device.
Devs circulate around popular devices, so there's a crowd to build for. Here we're just a few people, so there's no point.
If modding is important to you, always choose a popular device, that allows or even encourages modding. Nokia 8 is not that kind of device.

exactly, Nokia 8 is minimalistic and has no any additions. Nokia 8 is simply to work quickly and efficiently.
Can I ask a question? Why you need custom ROM? at this time Phone is up to date.

mati5000 said:
exactly, Nokia 8 is minimalistic and has no any additions. Nokia 8 is simply to work quickly and efficiently.
Can I ask a question? Why you need custom ROM? at this time Phone is up to date.
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Why some phone gets custom rom and other modding facilities after a few month from release?(Guess that phones i'm talking about) Even after having kernel source codes and bootloader unlock option we haven't seen any development in custom rom project for 8.Don't think 8 got stable OS or any kind of feature improvement in that half baked OS that we have asked for.This is is a lot cheaper phone with a great hardware spec but still none of the dev showed any interest on this phone.Glad to see a guy is trying to do something for this device(T-Virus project) but Anyway,not interested into custom rom or even into this phone anymore. This post is a month older.Nor I can close the thread unless I PM to moderator.:silly:

I believe that something can be improved with custom rom but unfortunately It's hard to determine what anything more might be needed at this time.
my friends prefer piece of junk Xiaomi because is cheap. When i start talking about Nokia they tend to frown.
I Love my Nokia 8

i think there will be no developers or atleast very few, cause Nokia was lagging to unlock booloader, there is very small community which have small amount of Nokia 8's (comparing with other brands most popular phones). This phone is dead, sadly.