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Hello. Please be gentle. I'm new to Systemless Root and need some clarification. I've done a lot of reading about it but still need some info. Im not bashing anything or anyone, I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm genuinely confused. From the vague installation process I read somewhere it seems that u already need to be Rooted with TWRP installed to install Systemless Root. Right? So what's the point of rerooting a phone thats already rooted? I would think it would be more useful to have it as another root method. So we can start off Locked and Unrooted, then use Systemless to root. Currently my N6 is locked and Unrooted because I have no use for Root at the moment yet all of my previous Android phones have been unlocked and rooted. Please explain to me what I'm missing here. Thanks guys. Happy New Year to u.
TokedUp said:
Hello. Please be gentle. I'm new to Systemless Root and need some clarification. I've done a lot of reading about it but still need some info. Im not bashing anything or anyone, I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm genuinely confused. From the vague installation process I read somewhere it seems that u already need to be Rooted with TWRP installed to install Systemless Root. Right? So what's the point of rerooting a phone thats already rooted? I would think it would be more useful to have it as another root method. So we can start off Locked and Unrooted, then use Systemless to root. Currently my N6 is locked and Unrooted because I have no use for Root at the moment yet all of my previous Android phones have been unlocked and rooted. Please explain to me what I'm missing here. Thanks guys. Happy New Year to u.
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Read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63197935&postcount=2 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344 for starters. BTW Google is your friend and you can`t be rooted to use systemless root and obtain root.
I'm probably a lot less experienced than gee2012 and many others in the forum, but here's my very high-level understanding. I hope that the more knowledgeable members can add to or correct this as necessary.
First, you need to unlock the device (fastboot oem unlock), since you can't do much with a locked device. Not only that, but time and time again I've read pleas from users saying "My device is bricked and I didn't unlock it so I can't now enable developer options" - the responses have been generally "Sorry, you're stuffed then, send it back". Unlocking wipes the device, so make backups of whatever essential data you have.
You don't need to install TWRP permanently in order to root. I myself (after asking members for advice) temporarily booted into TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img - when you reboot from TWRP it disappears and you're back to stock recovery). While TWRP is temporarily running, you can use it to install SuperSU.
The benefit of the new SuperSU (and also doitright's systemless root method) is that it maintains a stock system image, so in theory you have the benefits of superuser root but you can still get OTA updates, which are now much more frequent because of the security amendments. Chainfire (the SuperSU creator) says that he was able to install an OTA after having used the SuperSU unroot function, though he then had to re-root.
Hope this helps - and that it's correct...
dahawthorne said:
I'm probably a lot less experienced than gee2012 and many others in the forum, but here's my very high-level understanding. I hope that the more knowledgeable members can add to or correct this as necessary.
First, you need to unlock the device (fastboot oem unlock), since you can't do much with a locked device. Not only that, but time and time again I've read pleas from users saying "My device is bricked and I didn't unlock it so I can't now enable developer options" - the responses have been generally "Sorry, you're stuffed then, send it back". Unlocking wipes the device, so make backups of whatever essential data you have.
You don't need to install TWRP permanently in order to root. I myself (after asking members for advice) temporarily booted into TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img - when you reboot from TWRP it disappears and you're back to stock recovery). While TWRP is temporarily running, you can use it to install SuperSU.
The benefit of the new SuperSU (and also doitright's systemless root method) is that it maintains a stock system image, so in theory you have the benefits of superuser root but you can still get OTA updates, which are now much more frequent because of the security amendments. Chainfire (the SuperSU creator) says that he was able to install an OTA after having used the SuperSU unroot function, though he then had to re-root.
Hope this helps - and that it's correct...
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Thanks man. That makes certain things more understandable. The thing I still don't understand is the actual install process. I'm am stock, so ur saying I would just have to unlock BL then temp flash TWRP to flash the SU zip? If not what are the exact steps for installing?
BTW I'm on 6.0.1 MMB29K
TokedUp said:
Thanks man. That makes certain things more understandable. The thing I still don't understand is the actual install process. I'm am stock, so ur saying I would just have to unlock BL then temp flash TWRP to flash the SU zip? If not what are the exact steps for installing?
BTW I'm on 6.0.1 MMB29K
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- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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I don't want to be that guy but USB debugging is not needed to unlock the BL,it is only needed while in Android os
holeindalip said:
I don't want to be that guy but USB debugging is not needed to unlock the BL,it is only needed while in Android os
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True, but i always enable it by default
gee2012 said:
- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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Thank you so much!
TokedUp said:
Thank you so much!
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Tip: instead of flashing TWRP you can also boot it up ( fastboot boot nametwrp.img) to flash zip files and keep your stock recovery if you want to.
@gee2012 - "Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done"
I still don't get what exactly Busybox offers. I've been running fine on Marshmallow for several months without it. I installed it once because it was suggested as a fix for the constant nagging of AutomateIt Pro to reboot, and it made no difference, so I uninstalled it again.
Can you (or anyone) give me specific examples if where it actually makes a difference? Which functions won't work without it? I haven't come across any yet as far as I know.
Busybox is the space efficient way of the basic Unix commands like ln, pwd, chown, chmod, etc. So all apps that want to do some low level file system dabbling, like Android terminal, Titanium backup, or Linux installs, they need it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
From Marshmallow, Android now uses toybox instead by default, which is quite the same, with a little different licensing. It's also in the AOSP source, so all user built AOSP roms already have toybox, so there's no need for busybox to install.
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@gee2012 - "Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done"
I still don't get what exactly Busybox offers. I've been running fine on Marshmallow for several months without it. I installed it once because it was suggested as a fix for the constant nagging of AutomateIt Pro to reboot, and it made no difference, so I uninstalled it again.
Can you (or anyone) give me specific examples if where it actually makes a difference? Which functions won't work without it? I haven't come across any yet as far as I know.
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Apps like Rom Toolbox Pro, Franco Kernel Updater and Kernel Adiutor and lots of other application like Xposed framework (and its modules) and most (if not all) of the custom roms will not work (correctly) without BusyBox. All custom roms anyway have a BusyBox version by default installed Busybox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox and https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=...6Z0ltw&usg=AFQjCNG-nKYoEI3kiDm4pgtRWbXFRTpI6A for instance.
Its an essential app for when you are rooted and want to do more with your phone and its not smart to not install it
Thanks, both. I like istperson's comment best : "there's no need for busybox to install." That would be why I haven't seen any negative impact from not having Busybox then. Still, money well spent to help development...
Hello there!
Following these steps, you'll be able to root your freshly marshmallowed P8 Lite.
The method was tested by several other users, with not just this model.
Requirements:
Huawei P8 Lite with the Chinese 6.0 Firmware
Unlocked bootloader
TWRP Recovery (Kirin Chipset)
Do you have everything above?
Good, here are the steps:
Go to THIS post, and download the attachment of it. (BETA-SuperSU-v2.67-SYSTEMMODE.zip)
Put this zip on your SD Card.
Boot into recovery and flash it.
That is all what you need to do.
Credits goes to: aufarxda for making the working zip, zirangua for trying and successfully rooting our device with this, and of course Chainfire for making rooting phones possible and easy.
Note:
If you tried with the official zips from Chainfire's thread, you should rooted your phone as well, but the root was lost after a few reboots.
At least it was like that for me.
The reason for this, Chainfire introduced a new way of rooting the phone, which called "systemless" root. It means, no modification is made to your /system partition, only to your boot image.
The install script of this zip checks for compatibility to do "systemless" root, and if it can do that, it'll do that.
However, with our device, something must be messed up with the boot image, because it seems to be resetting after few (or the first) reboots.
The downloaded zip was modified in a way, that the script only root your phone via the old method, modifying your /system partition.
The whole point to have a "systemless" root is not rerooting after every update, or system reset, however, it seems like it's not working well with our phone, so only the old method remains.
Twrp needed?
slimbullet said:
Twrp needed?
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Yes, it's needed, and thanks for pointing this out.
How are flash in Recovery Mode? He gives 3 options: Reboot - Download new Version and Recovery - Shutdown!?
You have to flash TWRP by fastboot adb before.
TWRP is needed for flashing the zip files
daviddosa said:
Yes, it's needed, and thanks for pointing this out.
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I did all of those steps and now i have blackscreen and my phone wont turn on....
I have twrt,unlockedbloader,beta 6.0,debugging etc and it dont work...
and the second boot animation missing
Surdyn said:
I did all of those steps and now i have blackscreen and my phone wont turn on....
I have twrt,unlockedbloader,beta 6.0,debugging etc and it dont work...
and the second boot animation missing
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the same problem here
daviddosa said:
Hello there!
Following these steps, you'll be able to root your freshly marshmallowed P8 Lite.
The method was tested by several other users, with not just this model.
Requirements:
Huawei P8 Lite
Unlocked bootloader
TWRP Recovery (Kirin Chipset)
Do you have everything above?
Good, here are the steps:
Go to THIS post, and download the attachment of it. (BETA-SuperSU-v2.67-SYSTEMMODE.zip)
Put this zip on your SD Card.
Boot into recovery and flash it.
That is all what you need to do.
Credits goes to: aufarxda for making the working zip, zirangua for trying and successfully rooting our device with this, and of course Chainfire for making rooting phones possible and easy.
Note:
If you tried with the official zips from Chainfire's thread, you should rooted your phone as well, but the root was lost after a few reboots.
At least it was like that for me.
The reason for this, Chainfire introduced a new way of rooting the phone, which called "systemless" root. It means, no modification is made to your /system partition, only to your boot image.
The install script of this zip checks for compatibility to do "systemless" root, and if it can do that, it'll do that.
However, with our device, something must be messed up with the boot image, because it seems to be resetting after few (or the first) reboots.
The downloaded zip was modified in a way, that the script only root your phone via the old method, modifying your /system partition.
The whole point to have a "systemless" root is not rerooting after every update, or system reset, however, it seems like it's not working well with our phone, so only the old method remains.[/QUDo wee
Do wee need an sd card or it can be done witch the main storage?
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not work stop Screen Takeoff and not star and restart
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blackscreen and my phone restart how fixed
daviddosa said:
Hello there!
Following these steps, you'll be able to root your freshly marshmallowed P8 Lite.
The method was tested by several other users, with not just this model.
Requirements:
Huawei P8 Lite
Unlocked bootloader
TWRP Recovery (Kirin Chipset)
Do you have everything above?
Good, here are the steps:
Go to THIS post, and download the attachment of it. (BETA-SuperSU-v2.67-SYSTEMMODE.zip)
Put this zip on your SD Card.
Boot into recovery and flash it.
That is all what you need to do.
Credits goes to: aufarxda for making the working zip, zirangua for trying and successfully rooting our device with this, and of course Chainfire for making rooting phones possible and easy.
Note:
If you tried with the official zips from Chainfire's thread, you should rooted your phone as well, but the root was lost after a few reboots.
At least it was like that for me.
The reason for this, Chainfire introduced a new way of rooting the phone, which called "systemless" root. It means, no modification is made to your /system partition, only to your boot image.
The install script of this zip checks for compatibility to do "systemless" root, and if it can do that, it'll do that.
However, with our device, something must be messed up with the boot image, because it seems to be resetting after few (or the first) reboots.
The downloaded zip was modified in a way, that the script only root your phone via the old method, modifying your /system partition.
The whole point to have a "systemless" root is not rerooting after every update, or system reset, however, it seems like it's not working well with our phone, so only the old method remains.
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Hi this method work only with the chinese version (B535) on european version (B524) i got a bootloop ...
This happen to me
xander33 said:
Hi this method work only with the chinese version (B535) on european version (B524) i got a bootloop ...
This happen to me
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so how do we root B524 now?
omid.quist said:
so how do we root B524 now?
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Follow the tutorial on generale section provided by sokkoban the thead it s called [TUTORIAL] ...
how to recover after the boot loop ?? i tried this on the EU marshmallow and now im stuck !!
daviddosa said:
Hello there!
Following these steps, you'll be able to root your freshly marshmallowed P8 Lite.
The method was tested by several other users, with not just this model.
Requirements:
Huawei P8 Lite with the Chinese 6.0 Firmware
Unlocked bootloader
TWRP Recovery (Kirin Chipset)
Do you have everything above?
Good, here are the steps:
Go to THIS post, and download the attachment of it. (BETA-SuperSU-v2.67-SYSTEMMODE.zip)
Put this zip on your SD Card.
Boot into recovery and flash it.
That is all what you need to do.
Credits goes to: aufarxda for making the working zip, zirangua for trying and successfully rooting our device with this, and of course Chainfire for making rooting phones possible and easy.
Note:
If you tried with the official zips from Chainfire's thread, you should rooted your phone as well, but the root was lost after a few reboots.
At least it was like that for me.
The reason for this, Chainfire introduced a new way of rooting the phone, which called "systemless" root. It means, no modification is made to your /system partition, only to your boot image.
The install script of this zip checks for compatibility to do "systemless" root, and if it can do that, it'll do that.
However, with our device, something must be messed up with the boot image, because it seems to be resetting after few (or the first) reboots.
The downloaded zip was modified in a way, that the script only root your phone via the old method, modifying your /system partition.
The whole point to have a "systemless" root is not rerooting after every update, or system reset, however, it seems like it's not working well with our phone, so only the old method remains.
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Hi Daviddosa you have installed chinese beta android 6 fw? On that firmware is camera with special light effects.. Can you make backup of that camera, and get it here, or copy complete camera sw? Thanks a lot!
Here is HwCamera.apk on Chinese version of MM 6.0
sokkoban said:
Here is HwCamera.apk on Chinese version of MM 6.0
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thx. just put it in system apps? and replace the old one? because update wont work
sokkoban said:
Here is HwCamera.apk on Chinese version of MM 6.0
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Thanks.. sadly it is not working. Just wondering why on chinese ROMs there is working light painting, but on EU ROMS no.
danvo01 said:
Thanks.. sadly it is not working. Just wondering why on chinese ROMs there is working light painting, but on EU ROMS no.
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I'm wonderin too. But this is not only difference in Chinese ROM. On B524 not feature like Touch Plus, Smart Care, Mobile data traffic counter, HiCloud and many others
So my opinion is Chinese firmware is much better that European. For that I change my ALE-L21 to ALE-UL00
sokkoban said:
I'm wonderin too. But this is not only difference in Chinese ROM. On B524 not feature like Touch Plus, Smart Care, Mobile data traffic counter, HiCloud and many others
So my opinion is Chinese firmware is much better that European. For that I change my ALE-L21 to ALE-UL00
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so.. do you think it is better to flash back chinese beta v 311 (?) instead of 524? I looked for more stable bluetooth connection, and now i see differences...
I never use Bluetooth. But Chinese version of 6.0 is B535
I'm currently on a stable build of Oxygen OS 5.0.2 Oreo and I was thinking of rooting my phone using Magisk.Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta. I'll have to unlock the bootloader and flash TWRP but this is where the confusion comes in - Can I root a stable build of OOS? Will I have to switch to beta to root? Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP. So can someone please explain what that Issue really is and will it arise in my case? And if someone can just give me a guide on how to root it, I'll really appreciate it. And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
No obstacles in rooting stable OOS and no problems should arise after doing it. You just need to make a backup of all your data, unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, flash Magisk and go.
If you trigger dm-verity, tyou have two choices - either ignore it on every reboot or follow a guide about removing it.
anshikohri said:
I'm currently on a stable build of Oxygen OS 5.0.2 Oreo and I was thinking of rooting my phone using Magisk.Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta. I'll have to unlock the bootloader and flash TWRP but this is where the confusion comes in - Can I root a stable build of OOS? Will I have to switch to beta to root? Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP. So can someone please explain what that Issue really is and will it arise in my case? And if someone can just give me a guide on how to root it, I'll really appreciate it. And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
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All things that you are mentioning show clearly that you didn't pay attention to all the basic info for rooting a 3/3T.
Why do u need a guide for Oreo, when you have a guide for nougat?
It's exactly the same method.
Also DM verity is just a warning, so why to be scared.
Maybe you should avoid doing something that you don't understand.
Unleashed by my rooted OP3T on 8.0
RASTAVIPER said:
All things that you are mentioning show clearly that you didn't pay attention to all the basic info for rooting a 3/3T.
Why do u need a guide for Oreo, when you have a guide for nougat?
It's exactly the same method.
Also DM verity is just a warning, so why to be scared.
Maybe you should avoid doing something that you don't understand.
Unleashed by my rooted OP3T on 8.0
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Well I had a Redmi 2 before this and when I tried to root my lineage Os based on oreo with magisk using the same method I used with Nougat, i bricked my device. So that's why i was a little apprehensive. But thank you for your response.
przemcio510 said:
No obstacles in rooting stable OOS and no problems should arise after doing it. You just need to make a backup of all your data, unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, flash Magisk and go.
If you trigger dm-verity, tyou have two choices - either ignore it on every reboot or follow a guide about removing it.
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Will I run into trouble with xposed or substratum on OOS?
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Will I run into trouble with xposed or substratum on OOS?
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No, if you use compatible modules and themes. I had no problems using both on OOS. Please note that if you install Xposed, you won't be able to use SafetyNet protected apps (Android Pay, Pokemon Go, Snapchat (you have to login before installing Xposed to make it work) etc.).
anshikohri said:
Well I had a Redmi 2 before this and when I tried to root my lineage Os based on oreo with magisk using the same method I used with Nougat, i bricked my device.
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You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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anshikohri said:
Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
anshikohri said:
Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP.
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DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
anshikohri said:
And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
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This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
redpoint73 said:
You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
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That certainly cleared all my doubts and my inhibitions. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions.
anshikohri said:
That certainly cleared all my doubts and my inhibitions. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions.
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You're certainly welcome. There is a "Thanks" button you can click for any posts that you found helpful, if you care to do so.
And a constructive criticism on forum etiquette: please don't quote a whole huge long post, like you did for my response. I know it's the default when responding to include a quote. But simply delete what isn't directly relevant (maybe keep a few lines, as appropriate) in the interest of keeping the forum free of clutter; and avoid folks have having to scroll down a whole screen/page which is just my post in duplicate. You can still edit the previous post, if you like.
Good luck on rooting. I'm sure it will go fine. Welcome to the dark side.
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And a constructive criticism on forum etiquette: please don't quote a whole huge long post, like you did for my response. I know it's the default when responding to include a quote. But simply delete what isn't directly relevant (maybe keep a few lines, as appropriate) in the interest of keeping the forum free of clutter; and avoid folks have having to scroll down a whole screen/page which is just my post in duplicate. You can still edit the previous post, if you like.
As you can see, I'm new to this, so forgive me. I'll keep this in mind the next time I post something and Thank You for your advise and your help.
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You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
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Hi my oneplus 3t is on Oreo 5.0.2. I flashed twrp recovery nd super su root but when I restarted the phone it's stuck on black screen with white oneplus logo.what should I do now?my phone is going into twrp recovery
Should I flash stock oos 5.0.2 from twrp recovery? Pls guide
mannulko said:
Hi my oneplus 3t is on Oreo 5.0.2. I flashed twrp recovery nd super su root but when I restarted the phone it's stuck on black screen with white oneplus logo.what should I do now?my phone is going into twrp recovery
Should I flash stock oos 5.0.2 from twrp recovery? Pls guide
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Please don't include page-long quotes in your post. For that matter, don't quote my posts at all, if you aren't going to refer to it, or read it.
And please only post your problem to one thread, per forum rules. It will be answered. Making more posts, will NOT get your question answered any faster. It will just confuse those trying to help you, and confuse you; jumping around to 4 different threads.
Hi,
I am very new to this android world so my queries might feel stupid. Actually i m here after 3 years and that is very long period in this world. I know about rooting(super Su), bootloader and recovery (stock,CM and TWRP) . Recently read about Magisk and got some queries. Hope you will help me out. These are not device specific but need to learn.
What i read/study i found these readings...
1. Magisk roots device systemlessly (does not touch system partition) so one can get OTA updates easily.
2.To install and run Magisk one needs to unlock the bootloader .
3.(Device Specific) My redmi MI Flash tool says,If you unlock the bootloader , you wont get OTA updates.
4.I have previously rooted my galaxy Y and uninstalled system apps. If i delete sys apps from magisk,still can we say that we are not touching system.
So all statements are true? or some? or none ?
Here my device is redmi 3s (6.0.1- MIUI 9.6.1.0 Global Stable).All these queries are just in relation to OTA system updates. Nothing related to warranty.
Thanking You
Yes.
Yes.
Don't know about Xiaomi, but I've never had issues with OTA on a device with an unlocked bootloader (I've mainly used different Google and Oneplus devices). Someone with a Xiaomi is gonna have to chime in on this one.
As long as you use Magisk's debloating feature of replacing files or directories with empty ones, you're good. The actual /system partition won't be touched. Use a module like the Debloater module by @veez21, or make a debloater module yourself.
Didgeridoohan said:
Don't know about Xiaomi, but I've never had issues with OTA on a device with an unlocked bootloader (I've mainly used different Google and Oneplus devices). Someone with a Xiaomi is gonna have to chime in on this one.
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Ahh, Thank You.
You get OTA system updates for your STOCK ROM ?
inwell said:
Ahh, Thank You.
You get OTA system updates for your STOCK ROM ?
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Yes. But, having both Magisk and a custom recovery (an OTA won't install with a modified boot image and a custom recovery installed) I always find it easier to download the update and flash it manually. But, like I said, I have no idea if this is true for Xiaomi.
1. Ok. i also heared that when you update your device,you lose root...not true ? Or you need to root again ?
2.In normal stock device,we get update notification and we downlaod then restart (as per convenience)device to update.
If i remove some system apps from my rooted device and unroot the device,manage to get stock recovery back ,will the OTA update system treat my device as Stock-untouched? And install updates just as stock device will do ?
3. Is boot.img and bootloader are same things? Coz i read that for re locking boot loader you need to flash boot.img from stock software. (But Some procedures just use fastboot and relock oem command-they wont use boot.img,dont know why )
I read that unrooting,restoring stock recovery and locking bootloader again is more difficult/complicated than the rooting procedure
Some one should come up with solution just like Windows Restore .If you want to go back to everything STOCK,just use that feature same as done to Restore Windows in its previous state.
Any update that also updates the boot image (which means pretty much all) will remove root. But, that's just a simple case of reflashing Magisk right after applying the update.
If you've touched /system in any way, removing system apps or even just mounting the /system partition read-write, an OTA will fail. To be able update with an OTA your /system and /vendor partitions need to be untouched and you need to have the stock boot image and stock recovery installed. If your device doesn't conform to this the OTA will fail.
Boot image and bootloader are not the same thing. That you can read up on all over the internet, so I won't go into details. If you have done any kind of modifications on your device, I suggest you leave your bootloader unlocked. It's to easy to mess things up otherwise.
Going back to full stock is usually just a matter of flashing a full factory image/firmware package/stock ROM. Quite easy... Of course, some manufacturers make it harder than others.
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Boot image and bootloader are not the same thing. That you can read up on all over the internet, so I won't go into details. If you have done any kind of modifications on your device, I suggest you leave your bootloader unlocked. It's to easy to mess things up otherwise.
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Ok. As you say the two are different , but can you explain in simple words (terms) that how they both are related/linked/connected? Coz as i read some forums/posts i get to read
1. To relock/lock bootloader you need to flash boot.img which suggests these (terms) are linked/connected.
2. but same time some forums/post suggest no img file flashing but just a fastboot command(s) to relock bootloader. In this case it seems they are not linked/connected.
And if the above 2 statements are true and device specific then how the bootloader and boot image are linked and not linked in diff devices? what changes are made so that in some cases these are linked and in some not
Sorry for asking too much. But you were really very kind to help me out.Thank you once again
I'm not 100% accurate (and someone will hopefully come I'm and correct me if needed), but basically the bootloader checks that everything is alright and then starts up your device. After that the boot image (ramdisk and kernel) takes over. Ramdisk basically makes sure all the partitions are mounted, and the kernel is exactly what it sounds like. The core of the OS, making sure that everything is working as it should.
This is of course a huge over-simplification, so if you want more you'll have to search around (and there are tons of resources around the web).
The main reason I can think of right at the moment for wanting to flash a boot image before locking the bootloader is that it's generally a good idea to have your device fully stock and functional before doing so. After you've locked the bootloader there might not be any going back if things start acting up and you could end up with a nice paperweight.
Questions are good. That's how you learn. I do believe that you'd be much better of searching around the internet for your answers. They've been put out there many, many times.
Ok.Thank you very much.I will learn more ...
Hi, I have decided to gather boot images and magisk patched images to one thread for now. I will try to edit this thread to be up-to-date. You can let me know what could you want next or if anything is wrong etc.
Stock boot.img files (direct links):
EU NE2213_11_A.12
Stock boot.img - link
EU NE2213_11_A.10
Stock boot.img - link
Magisk patched boot.img are here a file that can be downloaded (I am using magisk canary usually, but in Magisk, you can change the channel from the canary to stable etc.) - names as the versions come.
Below this there are those magisk patched files which you just flash (or boot and then flash directly from the Magisk app) via fastboot
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Don't you need to patch vendor_boot.img as well like OnePlus 9 pro ?
HessNL said:
Don't you need to patch vendor_boot.img as well like OnePlus 9 pro ?
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Apparently not. I have patched that stock boot via magisk, then via fastboot boot <patchedimage.img> booted (and also tested if it actually boots) and when it booted, via magisk app I did "Direct install (recommended)", rebooted and done.
Oh okay you had a temporary boot we that's good to know well it works that's the most important thing ain't it
Noob question I been on locked bootloader for years so haven't been in the root scene, but I have US model NE2215 I'm guessing I need to wait for the firmware to be available to get the boot img? Did I just got my phone too early? Already oem unlocked now just waiting for twrp and root info. I always wanted a OnePlus phone because the community is big, but doesn't seem like much people upgraded from 9 pro.
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Oh okay you had a temporary boot we that's good to know well it works that's the most important thing ain't it
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Yes, because this is probably and currently the most secure option to root it as we haven't got twrp available yet.
BuBbLeFIZzY said:
Noob question I been on locked bootloader for years so haven't been in the root scene, but I have US model NE2215 I'm guessing I need to wait for the firmware to be available to get the boot img? Did I just got my phone too early? Already oem unlocked now just waiting for twrp and root info. I always wanted a OnePlus phone because the community is big, but doesn't seem like much people upgraded from 9 pro.
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That's not that you have it early. The phone itself is early in spite of rooting and doing things like rooting, custom recoveries, ROMs etc. I currently can't find boot img for your model, but once I do, I will post it here for you with patched one.
Thank you kouzelnik3 for this thread !
I was going to dl original firmware and patch it myself but found your thread in time with all ready to flash
Rooted OP10 pro done, now i can't wait to see some TWRP and roms in the future
fozzy056 said:
Thank you kouzelnik3 for this thread !
I was going to dl original firmware and patch it myself but found your thread in time with all ready to flash
Rooted OP10 pro done, now i can't wait to see some TWRP and roms in the future
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You're really welcome, I wanted to unite those currently quite hard rooting stuff!
And yes, I can't wait to see twrp too!
Is there a known stock boot.img of the NE2215_11_A.10? I assume I shouldn't use the 2213_11_A.10.
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Is there a known stock boot.img of the NE2215_11_A.10? I assume I shouldn't use the 2213_11_A.10.
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Not yet unfortunately. Or I don't know about it yet. :/
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Not yet unfortunately. Or I don't know about it yet. :/
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Yeah.. I googled a lot last night once I got my phone trying to find it to root it. I need me that extra bit of customization.
Is there a way I can get it from my phone?
what am i doing wrong here rooted for 7+ years and some reason can't get this working.
Just moved over from ColorOS to Oxygen - when i try to flash the boot.img (patched one) all i get is this
Johnstan725 said:
what am i doing wrong here rooted for 7+ years and some reason can't get this working.
Just moved over from ColorOS to Oxygen - when i try to flash the boot.img (patched one) all i get is this
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Ignore me but for anyone else that tries looks like i had to reboot bootloader and flash the img via bootloader...
thought it's normally flashed via fastboot?! weird phone
Johnstan725 said:
Ignore me but for anyone else that tries looks like i had to reboot bootloader and flash the img via bootloader...
thought it's normally flashed via fastboot?! weird phone
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You should wipe the phone and start all over or else you won't be able to take ota updates. Never flash the patched boot image since you bypass the magisk backup feature. You have to wait for the full update package to update if you flash the boot. Ppl have previously had update issues after flashing.
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You should wipe the phone and start all over or else you won't be able to take ota updates. Never flash the patched boot image since you bypass the magisk backup feature. You have to wait for the full update package to update if you flash the boot. Ppl have previously had update issues after flashing.
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Wiped the phone already, what difference would it make if i remove root or flash stock boot then flash ota and reflash boot?
Johnstan725 said:
Wiped the phone already, what difference would it make if i remove root or flash stock boot then flash ota and reflash boot?
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Not sure what else magisk does during the backup process, but doing what you’re describing didn’t work for users on 8T and they usually ended up soft bricking. Everyone who flashed it vice installing from magisk app had to wait for op to post the full rom or for someone to post a repacked fastboot rom to update.
You do what you need to do, I’m just giving you some experience and recommendations since you just wiped and flashed the boot.
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Not sure what else magisk does during the backup process, but doing what you’re describing didn’t work for users on 8T and they usually ended up soft bricking. Everyone who flashed it vice installing from magisk app had to wait for op to post the full rom or for someone to post a repacked fastboot rom to update.
You do what you need to do, I’m just giving you some experience and recommendations since you just wiped and flashed the boot.
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Interesting.
I moved over from ColorOS to oxygen OS, wiped the device then just booted a patched boot img, and installed direct.
I assume I flash ota and go onto magisk and do inactive slot? Where does the issue lie what method should I have gone down?
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Interesting.
I moved over from ColorOS to oxygen OS, wiped the device then just booted a patched boot img, and installed direct.
I assume I flash ota and go onto magisk and do inactive slot? Where does the issue lie what method should I have gone down?
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Hmmm. Well you should be fine if you patched the boot and let magisk do the install. I only suggested wiping since you said you flashed the img from the bootloader.
You might run into the same problem I have with the 9RT. I too upgraded from color to oos and couldn’t update at all, even though I rooted from the magisk app. I had to wait for someone to make a fastboot rom. I had no problems updating color following my method, but not oos after switching. Hopefully that’s not the case for you.