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I just bought my P880 two days ago and everything is great except one thing: battery drain. It is not occouring in background when phone is in Deep sleep, it doesn't lose charge while it's sleeping, but when I just unlock it/start using it, it just starts draining.
I have rooted it, and unrooted using SuperSU. The thing is I haven't experienced that kind of drain yesterday, it was working fine except drain caused by bad signal (badly inserted SIM).
Usage by Android System is at 50% over 5 hours, Screen is at 9%. Awake graphs are the same as Screen on graphs- no wakelocks.
I have these apps installed:
Prey Anti Theft
Skype (not running)
Adobe Reader
SoundHound
Disco Light
QR Droid
Sygic (not running)
X-plore
SwiftKey 3 keyboard
WiFi, GPS, Data, everything turned off except mobile signal
Running Internation version with Android 4.0.3, Kernel 2.6.39.4-00001-g0f9182c
Mobile network type is EDGE:2 with mobile signal -70dBm
I'm first time android user and this is my first problem so I tried to include as much info as possible.
Thanks in advance
I see 2 mayor issues, first is the android deft app, it may be running and trying to sync but bcz the data is off it will try to connect foreva.
Also, edge is (in other words) ROAMING and this forces the antenna to use more power to get signal from another provider, it get worst if you have a phone with sim card.
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Gildegan said:
I see 2 mayor issues, first is the android deft app, it may be running and trying to sync but bcz the data is off it will try to connect foreva.
Also, edge is (in other words) ROAMING and this forces the antenna to use more power to get signal from another provider, it get worst if you have a phone with sim card.
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Thanks for pointing that out, but I have disabled every sync and I have set phone to 2G mode only, the reason is that UMTS signal was low and was draining battery even more.
I am only losing sharge when just doing random things on phone, even if that means only adding/removing widgets/apps on main screen with WiFi off.
Then you must try the Deodexed version of v10f, removing the bloatware with the script in the same thread.
The issue may be some lg apps that are running in the background so doing this will have 6 hours in standby time with 100% still, like me (if I turn all radios off ).
I have just woken up, while sleeping (9h) phone was awake for about 50%, no wakelocks but there were 30 alarms from Android/Google maps ans 29 alarms from com.google.android.gsf
Hope this helps.
I may try custom ROMs if nothing else works.
While typing this message I have lost 7%.
Similar state here as the OP. Got the phone two days ago.
All is good, it rooted OK, Directory Bind works fine, phone runs like hell (about 10 times faster than my old Galaxy S) BUT it drains battery like a genuine power guzzler.
Ok I get that according to the performance you get, it comes with an accordingly high power draw, so I don't ***** about it, I just want to know if this is normal. I mean I played 2 hours and 15 minutes of Sprinkle and the battery died, starting from a full charge. Screen was set at 50%.
GPS is off, Bluetooth is off, no 3G mobile network and screen is at 50% brightness as I said. There's an NFC icon on the notification bar next to the battery icon, which I am not sure if it should be there.
Here are a couple of shots from the battery section of the phone and from Battery monitor widget if these help.
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Please note that as the OP said, the phone consumes nearly nothing when idling. Firmware is 10f.
PS I am not trying to hijack the OP's thread. I just noticed the same behavior and I'd like some help on the same matter, as well as to contribute in whatever way I can. If the OP is offended somehow, I will gladly start a new thread.
@psolord No, not offended at all. I'm glad you posted actually.
My phone has encountered 20 more Alarms, wake ups since I left it standing:
com.google.android.apps.maps Wakeups: 50
com.google.android.gsf Wakeups: 45
You can see pictures below, the drop on the second picture happened when I was writing me previous post from P880.
- I am also rooted again (after factory restore)
- I have reenabled 3G networks but the signal is only at about 50%.
Any additional info please ?
Ok buddy, so we can keep discussing it here together.
For the matter at hand, I see the same behavior, when I unlock the screen, it's like I have opened a whole in the battery.
It dropped from 85% to 65% just from downloading a new map (500MB, 20min download on a slow wifi) from Sygic downloader. I mean this can't be right, right?
I also checked cpu spy and it reports the system 75% at deep idle, 15% at 51Mhz and the rest are 0% to 1% up to 1500Mhz. So if the cpu has so little operation, what on earth is draining the battery?
I wonder if we could be looking at a bad battery batch.
Is there an app that reports exactly what activity consumes power and how much?
Indeed, the hole in the battery.
I even restored to factory from recovery mode since I screwed up the root, so it was just stock, but guess what, nothing has changed :crying:
I really hope this can get fixed, else I'll get a replacement.
I hope someone from this forum with more experience can help :/
I think I am onto something.
Can you please check how is the phone doing if you disable everything under location and services?
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I think I am onto something.
Can you please check how is the phone doing if you disable everything under location and services?
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I am going to try this, I am also talking to LG Support right now. WIll let you know when I get more information.
I disabled everything, and I didn't see pretty much any improvement. LG Support suggested me to return the phone.
Pretty much draining the battery atm so I can charge it back to 100% and use something like Battery Calibration. Maybe it can change something.
Yeah indeed I was onto nothing. Nothing changed for me either.
Playing 30mins of a 720P resulted my battery dropping from 62% to 50%. I also used the gps for the first time with Sygic (Jesus even the GPS is lightning fast) and the battery went from 50% to 30% for a 20 minute ride. It seems that my phone cannot give me more than 2 hours of use. That's just silly.
BTW do you or anybody, know of an app that can show battery usage per app?
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Yeah indeed I was onto nothing. Nothing changed for me either.
Playing 30mins of a 720P resulted my battery dropping from 62% to 50%. I also used the gps for the first time with Sygic (Jesus even the GPS is lightning fast) and the battery went from 50% to 30% for a 20 minute ride. It seems that my phone cannot give me more than 2 hours of use. That's just silly.
BTW do you or anybody, know of an app that can show battery usage per app?
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Stock application ?
Also you can use Better Battery Stats to see if there are any wakelocks or anything is waking up the phone etc.
What is happening right now is rather strange, I disabled screen turning off (trying to drain battery to 1%/2%) looking at stock battery app, it seems to be stuck at 21% and it's not changing.
The stock application does not do so much analysis, but the batterystats you used above seems more like it.
I am getting panicked and I miss some stuff haha. Ok lets cool.
It makes me sad that we don't get any input from the community. Something like "yeah this is normal, live with it" or "your phone is faulty, take it back to the shop for a replacement" or something.
Agreed, ANY, ANY kind of input would be appreciated, but I guess we are getting none.
I am going to fully charge it today, do some stuff and report back tommorow. Also anyone, please do post any suggestion you may have.
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What is happening right now is rather strange, I disabled screen turning off (trying to drain battery to 1%/2%) looking at stock battery app, it seems to be stuck at 21% and it's not changing.
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Maybe this has to do something with the built in power saver. Maybe it kicks in when the battery drops to the 20s and stops whatever is draining it.
I am thinking trying some battery saver to see if it does the same thing but from the beginning of the full charge.
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Maybe this has to do something with the built in power saver. Maybe it kicks in when the battery drops to the 20s and stops whatever is draining it.
I am thinking trying some battery saver to see if it does the same thing but from the beginning of the full charge.
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Actually I have disabled it when it asked me if it should turn on. So I guess nothing to do with that.
I am going to backup now, fully unroot and somehow get it to pure stock. Than I'm probably going to exchange the phone in case battery life doesn't change.
Hello xda-developers,
I'm having some trouble with my lg optimus 4x hd, the battery is mostly drained by the android system, which doesn't normally use a lot of battery.
I would show a screenshot of the battery usage but I can't upload any links yet.
I hope someone else has had this problem and knows how to fix it.
Thanks in advance,
Cas
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Hello xda-developers,
I'm having some trouble with my lg optimus 4x hd, the battery is mostly drained by the android system, which doesn't normally use a lot of battery.
I would show a screenshot of the battery usage but I can't upload any links yet.
I hope someone else has had this problem and knows how to fix it.
Thanks in advance,
Cas
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this subject has been discussed in many topics, search for baseband wakelock, there is no "cure"
xtribas said:
this subject has been discussed in many topics, search for baseband wakelock, there is no "cure"
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Thank you for the reply,
I searched for baseband wakelock but i can't seem to find anything that solves my problem. If you have found any kind of solution can you give me a link please?
Cas van Boekholdt said:
Thank you for the reply,
I searched for baseband wakelock but i can't seem to find anything that solves my problem. If you have found any kind of solution can you give me a link please?
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like i said before, there is no cure. I bought a second battery so i have juice the whole day
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like i said before, there is no cure. I bought a second battery so i have juice the whole day
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Thank you very much for your replies. At least now i know there's nothing I can do to solve it so I can stop searching.
Cas van Boekholdt said:
Thank you very much for your replies. At least now i know there's nothing I can do to solve it so I can stop searching.
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I'm not sure. This is more like an o4x issue. I had the same: battery usage is 60% Android system, followed by mobile stand by 18% and some more minor percentages.
My Samsung uses most power by use of the display.
So 60% is far too much.
I am trying to find out what I can achieve by rooting and freezing some apps and/or using Greenify. What I hear is that upgrading to Jelly bean causes more trouble.
Airplane mode - causes lots of baseband_xmm_power wakeups
WiFi on when not connected to router - same
Use e.g Tasker to turn on wi-fi when screen is on, and turn off when screen is off. Right now, I have baseband_xmm_power usage at 0.8%, after 16 hours of on time and about 1h 10min screen on. Try experimenting a little more! Using the WiFi>advanced>Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep is not recommended, as it causes a lot of wake locks... :laugh:
I experimented a lot and since yesterday I managed to use less than 10% while asleep. Before that it used 30% or more during the night (about 8 hours).
After disabling a number of processes I can see now that the Android system uses only 12% in stead of 60. The Android Operatingsystem even 2% only. On top is now Mobile Stand-by (42%) en Inactive phone (39%).
This is very satisfying. I did not really documented what I disabled, but now I can root my phone in order to disable things one by one permanently. Because I guess that most of the processes that I disabled will probably be active after rebooting the o4x.
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check the first 8 hours of 'doing nothing' cause 30% loss of power
And after:
not complete, but after 8 hours of sleep less than 10% loss of power and the next 90 minutes intensive use - phone calls, twitter, mail....
@xtribas if he's still on 4.0.3 stock, this might be a different issue -- same as mine: 80% of the time a full wakelock held by "com.android.providers.settings" -- nothing seen of baseband_xmm here (though I used a different tool than BBS to check -- will switch-over to BBS next for verification).
@Mauvan mind to tell us what you changed, and how your progress / long-time effects are? As we two seem to share a similar problem, I would be very much interested in your details!
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@xtribas if he's still on 4.0.3 stock, this might be a different issue -- same as mine: 80% of the time a full wakelock held by "com.android.providers.settings" -- nothing seen of baseband_xmm here (though I used a different tool than BBS to check -- will switch-over to BBS next for verification).
@Mauvan mind to tell us what you changed, and how your progress / long-time effects are? As we two seem to share a similar problem, I would be very much interested in your details!
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on ICS the baseband wakelock is not present... even so... revert to ICS is not an option for me...
As I did not update yet (stock JB is no option for me, as some of my apps wouldn't work well anymore -- e.g. LBE, and no, the localized Chinese "Master" is no option for me either), there's nothing to revert. But as I wrote: I clearly can see the same issue Mauvan has reported, and am just trying to figure out what that should be. No idea why some "provider settings" should need a "full wakelock" for 12+ hours between ~8am and ~21pm. Funny thing, though: deep sleep is more than the 1h difference to-be-expected, but something > 6h.
@Izzysoft: I upgraded a few days ago to JB and disabled a dozen of programs like Application Manager, Cell Broadcast, some widgets (contacts, memo etc.), Picasa uploader and stuff like that, which I don'use or force Stopping some apps (no permanent solution though).
All these tricks help a little. Yesterday the battery was almost empty after a little more than 15 hours. Not much, because it was not a day of extensive use of my phone.
At this moment I see that my battery load is 72% after 5 hours en 24 minutes.
I'll continue reading forums like this and decide this weekend if it would help to root my phone and look for more permanent solutions. I am not considering Cyanogenmod's rom because there's still no stable version. I've seen great performance improvement of this rom on galaxy s plus, so there is hope.
@Mauvan so you don't remember what you did back on 4.0.3 -- or did you start this thread when already being on JB?
Seeing your numbers, I cannot complain: ~70% is what my 4X goes back on the dock at night, after ~15..16h. Estimated battery time altogether is around 2 days for me (and yes, my device is rooted and I disabled/froze a lot of that stock crap, bloatware and mafia-ware -- e.g. the RemoteCall stuff which does not accept a "No" as answer). Still room for improvement: If I can get hold of that stupid "com.android.providers.settings" WakeLock, I should end up with 80%+ and an overall estimated battery time of 3d+, nice for a weekend in the hills
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so you don't remember what you did back on 4.0.3 -- or did you start this thread when already being on JB?
Seeing your numbers, I cannot complain: ~70% is what my 4X goes back on the dock at night, after ~15..16h. Estimated battery time altogether is around 2 days for me (and yes, my device is rooted and I disabled/froze a lot of that stock crap, bloatware and mafia-ware -- e.g. the RemoteCall stuff which does not accept a "No" as answer). Still room for improvement: If I can get hold of that stupid "com.android.providers.settings" WakeLock, I should end up with 80%+ and an overall estimated battery time of 3d+, nice for a weekend in the hills
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No, when I started this thread I still had ICS. However, those statistics where too optimistic. After a few hours it went down & down & down. That's why I tried JB. Seems smoother, but drains the same.
Now it's my turn to ask what crap you disabled/froze etc. and what additional apps do you use to achieve that. I would be Very Very happy if my battery time should be, let's say, 24 hours at least.
As not everything is freeze-able from Settings->Apps, I used the friendly Titanium Backup (one of the first paid Android apps I aquired, and never regret) for the remains:
Chrome
E-Mail (believe it or not: even unconfigured it consumed battery by permanently trying to do some Exchange-Stuff!)
Email-Widget
Stock News
Google Play Books
Google Play Movies
Google+
Google Bookmarks Sync (just now, as they ran their sync though I unchecked it in Account & Sync)
LG On-Screen Phone
LGSetupWizard
Live Wallpaper Picker
Maps (using Titaniums freeze/unfreeze widget on my homescreen: unfreeze+start on demand with a single tap, then freeze again with another tap. Must not run in background 24/7/365 when only needed 2-3 times a year
PC Suite Service
PC Suite UI
Remote support service
RemoteCall Service (Mafia! That's the one which did not accept a "No")
Social Networks
Android Live Wallpaper
Today Widget
SmartWorld
World Time
After that, installed Apex Launcher -- and like my phone. Except for that minor juice-sucker
thumbs up! (except I need exchange for workthings)
And did you do anything with the LG-loggings and MLT stuff (hidden menu + apk)?
HiddenMenu I just used to peak into what's available, but did not actually change anything. What I'd like to know is about the LocMgr* stuff: Name suggests a "location service". I couldn't find any information on what it really does (as LocationService usually is included with the Google Apps, this looks like a dupe to me), so I didn't dare to freeze the two. Any idea what it could be about? Or even a reference on what it really is about?
No I'm not sure what it all means and I do not like to experiment in those settings. I've read some threads about the MLT like this one and that one.
In the mean time I just rooted my JB and freezed a bunch of apps. I'll let you know the improvements (I hope!!).
I hope for both (improvements and report)
EDIT: Wow, thanks for the Linx! Read that about MLT:
I just disabled it.. lost the weird battery drain from "Android System" that I've been having lately..
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Looks like there is my culprit, huh? I just disabled MLT -- let's see how it goes. So now, we both wait for the report of each other LOL
so far so bad
disappointing, because the first night it should be in deep sleep. But instead it consumed 35% in 9 hours. Annoying issue seems to be Cell Standby, responsible for 44% of this drain. Famous wakelock baseband_xmm_power (says BetterBatteryStats).
What I figured out is that there was still one process looking for my location. Wifi disabled in sleepmode, it tried to find access to 3g, but in my house on that place there's not enough coverage (no signal during 56% of total uptime). Might be the age of my sim card? Dunno.
This afternoon I freezed almost all apps like in this link.
Tomorrow I hope to know more.
Edit (17th May):
I rooted my O4X, I installed a root browser, Titanium Backup, SuperSU, BetterBatteryStats.
I watched and monitored. Even tested Tasker (to reduce Cell Standby wake locks). I got a new sim card to replace my (very) old one.
Yes, it improved, but too little. Last night, after so many freezes in Titanium, O4X lost 10% in 8 hours.... doing nothing.
I'm beginning to regret buying this P880. It could be a bad battery, but I doubt it. Too many issues here and elsewhere on the internet about the battery drain.
Also looked at CyanogenMod experiences. This rom gives some people issues like these.
Trade it for an S II plus?
I love pretty much everything about this phone and can't imagine it being much better. One of the reasons I bought it was for the famed battery life. Most blogs and battery tests put it at just over the Z3 and one of the longest lasting phones out there.
However, that hasn't been my experience. I'm an Android veteran and I know how to look for battery drains and what generally causes them. I'm losing a lot of battery at idle and there doesn't seem to be any reason. Nothing shows up in the battery stats. I even tried stamina mode and the results were worse. I lost 20% over 11 hours without even touching the phone. It just sat there and lost 1/5th of the battery. Not quite 2%/hr, I know, but still significant for a phone in stamina mode and not being used.
The only thing that shows up in the battery stats are the usual suspects: Android OS and Android System. I don't have a weak LTE signal or anything.
So, I'm wondering if anyone else is experiencing fairly significant battery drain, especially idle drain. My battery life isn't horrible, but it should be a whole lot better from what I was reading before I purchased the phone.
Apologies for asking obvious questions, but are things like wifi, mobile date, auto-sync, bluetooth and NFC toggled on or off? Are certain apps repeatedly appearing in the Consuming Apps list? I tend to make sure I swipe these away which has helped when I've had similar excessive battery drain, for me these are (for example) Reddit Sync and Google Docs. It is weird that they don't appear to be high in the battery usage % list though...
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Apologies for asking obvious questions, but are things like wifi, mobile date, auto-sync, bluetooth and NFC toggled on or off? Are certain apps repeatedly appearing in the Consuming Apps list? I tend to make sure I swipe these away which has helped when I've had similar excessive battery drain, for me these are (for example) Reddit Sync and Google Docs. It is weird that they don't appear to be high in the battery usage % list though...
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Wifi, mobile data, auto sync, and Bluetooth are on all the time, as they are on all of my smartphones. These are not the cause of the drain I'm experiencing. If you leave all of those off all the time, there's no point in having a smartphone. NFC is off.
As stated, there is nothing in the app drain listing to cause alarm. Nothing in the battery stats is telling me I have an issue, which is why I'm frustrated.
Fair point, though I personally toggle them on and off as needed.
How any apps do you have installed over and above those bundled? I'd try uninstalling as much as possible then reinstalling then one by one. Or a less extreme option could be to clear cache in as many apps as you can, reboot and see if the drain stops.
I have everything enabled except Google Now and I lose about 0.2% per hour when idle. Also, I believe all the folks who are reporting battery life of 2 days with 6 hours SoT must be having very low idle drain.
So greyhulk I think your experience is not the norm, but unfortunately don't know how to help. Post up some screenshots of your battery stats.
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When you look a the battery History details, do you see a lot of awake time? Also look at the top 3 or 4 items in Battery usage individually, do they show high amounts of Keep awake time while the phone is idle? A wakelock or poor cell signal are the two main causes of high idle battery drain.
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When you look a the battery History details, do you see a lot of awake time? Also look at the top 3 or 4 items in Battery usage individually, do they show high amounts of Keep awake time while the phone is idle? A wakelock or poor cell signal are the two main causes of high idle battery drain.
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It's definitely not poor signal. There is a bit of wake time, but the top 3 items are screen, android OS, and Android system. The wake time on those is not significant, either.
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I have everything enabled except Google Now and I lose about 0.2% per hour when idle. Also, I believe all the folks who are reporting battery life of 2 days with 6 hours SoT must be having very low idle drain.
So greyhulk I think your experience is not the norm, but unfortunately don't know how to help. Post up some screenshots of your battery stats.
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I'm about the same. I'm getting on average 7 hours on screen daily with everything on, no stamina mode, over 70% brightness. I left my phone unplugged for the first time overnight and it drained a whopping 1%! I've had the phone for over 2 weeks now.
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Sorry to hear about your battery issues, but as mentioned, that's not the norm. Not sure how much help I can be, but I can tell you your Android System and OS percentages are about 2-3 times higher than mine so that seems related to the drain, but tracking down the culprit will be tricky. Have you considered factory resetting?
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Here's are a couple screenshots for comparison:
when Android OS and/or Android System drain more than cell standby and phone idle you can rest assured that an app or service is draining your battery.
Many things can be disguised as Android System (/OS). It could be google now, location services, syncing of google drive, browser sync or an app running it's own service etc.
Android system and Android OS always drain 2-5% of a battery on all of my devices. However I turn on wi-fi and other stuff only when needed. Plus I have all the google services, google voice and account sync disabled.
But I wasn't happy with the battery life on my Z3c also. Cell standby, phone idle and 1-2 ours of screen time drained the battery almost in 24 ours. Maybe it was one-time occasion (I haven't had much time to test it since the phone is new), but I starting to have a bad feeling
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Android system and Android OS always drain 2-5% of a battery on all of my devices. However I turn on wi-fi and other stuff only when needed. Plus I have all the google services, google voice and account sync disabled.
But I wasn't happy with the battery life on my Z3c also. Cell standby, phone idle and 1-2 ours of screen time drained the battery almost in 24 ours. Maybe it was one-time occasion (I haven't had much time to test it since the phone is new), but I starting to have a bad feeling
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That seems highly abnormal, I leave wifi, mobile data, and GPS on at all times, with numerous accounts syncing, yet battery life has been superb for me and many others.
It's been a few hours since I posted that screenshot from my previous comment, but my battery has dropped a mere 2% to 35% and my on screen is now at 5h20m. That's the drainage I've been typically experiencing with daily heavy usage.
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Yep, Android OS and system are about twice what they should be, so that's probably at least part of the cause....
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boojay said:
I'm about the same. I'm getting on average 7 hours on screen daily with everything on, no stamina mode, over 70% brightness. I left my phone unplugged for the first time overnight and it drained a whopping 1%! I've had the phone for over 2 weeks now.
Sorry to hear about your battery issues, but as mentioned, that's not the norm. Not sure how much help I can be, but I can tell you your Android System and OS percentages are about 2-3 times higher than mine so that seems related to the drain, but tracking down the culprit will be tricky. Have you considered factory resetting?
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I'm not going to factory reset a phone a few days after I took it out of the box and set it up. That's ludicrous. It's set up exactly the same as several of my previous Android devices, none of which had this kind of drain.
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I'm not going to factory reset a phone a few days after I took it out of the box and set it up. That's ludicrous. It's set up exactly the same as several of my previous Android devices, none of which had this kind of drain.
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I am seeing the same performance as you. Honestly, at the end of the day I still think the battery life is pretty solid, but not up to the legendary levels others are seeing.
Some guy said he left his phone sitting there overnight and saw a 1% drop? That is insane.
As an aside, how are you showing the Android L on screen buttons?
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I'm not going to factory reset a phone a few days after I took it out of the box and set it up. That's ludicrous. It's set up exactly the same as several of my previous Android devices, none of which had this kind of drain.
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Then good luck.
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Then good luck.
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Factory reset is the lazy answer and should only be a last resort, especially when the device had only been active for a few days.
That would be like telling someone to format their computer every time it slows down a little.
greyhulk said:
Factory reset is the lazy answer and should only be a last resort, especially when the device had only been active for a few days.
That would be like telling someone to format their computer every time it slows down a little.
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A factory reset at the very start is the best time to do it, rather than wait weeks, months from now when it would really be cumbersome, but anyway, you do whatever you think will help. I already tried offering help and you were pretty rude about it so I'm done.
boojay said:
A factory reset at the very start is the best time to do it, rather than wait weeks, months from now when it would really be cumbersome, but anyway, you do whatever you think will help. I already tried offering help and you were pretty rude about it so I'm done.
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You're kidding, right? Two days out of the box, I have every account set up, all of my music downloaded, all of my apps set up, and my interface tweaked to be the way I want it. It's not any easier now than it will be three months from now. There's also the fact that the device shouldn't run this way out of the box.
Whenever there's a battery thread or a person asking for help on this forum because they have a weird drain, there are two predictable responses that will be offered almost immediately:
Turn everything off - Yes, if you toggle everything off, you'll get good battery life, but then why even have a smartphone? Most modern smartphones are capable of getting decent battery life with all radios on all the time. This is not a solution.
Factory reset - I work in I.T. If I told someone to wipe their computer every time they reported an issue, I'd be out of a job. That should be an absolute last resort. I could see it on a phone that you'd been using for months that suddenly had battery issues and you couldn't figure out what the cause was, but a phone that has been set up less than a week? Please.
These kind of offered solutions aren't helpful, yet they're always the first ones offered. It has been this way since I took it out of the box on day one. So, it either it doesn't like one of the apps I installed from the get go, or it has another issue, or is defective. I mainly posted this thread to see if others were having my experience and a few have confirmed that they are.
So, I'm sorry if you're butt hurt, but I certainly wasn't trying to be rude. I was just disregarding a solution that I predicted someone would offer that is not an option at this point (and really shouldn't be). Anyway, thanks for trying, I guess. Just please be aware that if someone comes here looking for help, they're doing so because they don't WANT to wipe their phone or turn off all of its features. They're looking for an alternative solution. Even newbies know enough to wipe their phone when things aren't working right and it's the last thing they want to hear if they ask for assistance.
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You're kidding, right? Two days out of the box, I have every account set up, all of my music downloaded, all of my apps set up, and my interface tweaked to be the way I want it. It's not any easier now than it will be three months from now. There's also the fact that the device shouldn't run this way out of the box.
Whenever there's a battery thread or a person asking for help on this forum because they have a weird drain, there are two predictable responses that will be offered almost immediately:
Turn everything off - Yes, if you toggle everything off, you'll get good battery life, but then why even have a smartphone? Most modern smartphones are capable of getting decent battery life with all radios on all the time. This is not a solution.
Factory reset - I work in I.T. If I told someone to wipe their computer every time they reported an issue, I'd be out of a job. That should be an absolute last resort. I could see it on a phone that you'd been using for months that suddenly had battery issues and you couldn't figure out what the cause was, but a phone that has been set up less than a week? Please.
These kind of offered solutions aren't helpful, yet they're always the first ones offered. It has been this way since I took it out of the box on day one. So, it either it doesn't like one of the apps I installed from the get go, or it has another issue, or is defective. I mainly posted this thread to see if others were having my experience and a few have confirmed that they are.
So, I'm sorry if you're butt hurt, but I certainly wasn't trying to be rude. I was just disregarding a solution that I predicted someone would offer that is not an option at this point (and really shouldn't be). Anyway, thanks for trying, I guess. Just please be aware that if someone comes here looking for help, they're doing so because they don't WANT to wipe their phone or turn off all of its features. They're looking for an alternative solution. Even newbies know enough to wipe their phone when things aren't working right and it's the last thing they want to hear if they ask for assistance.
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Actually without having the phone in hand there is little anyone can do to tell you what is draining the battery, the suggestions given are typical of tech support help if standard things don't work. So you can either take those suggestions or do more research since you have the phone in hand and find the problem. Based on the information given there really is no magic answer to help you.
Hey guys, I'm wondering what can I do to improve my Note 8 battery life. Seems to me that is draining and I do not get the chance to use it too much. Maybe you have an idea how to optimize and track the apps are overusing the battery, so far I was not able to detect which app/component drains my battery. Even Samsung seems that doesn't know since there is no message regarding background processes with heavy usage.
Basically I finished fully charging at 9:15 AM and now 16:15PM time I started to write the post and make the screenshots, it has 16%. What I did all this time with the phone, was:
- a bit of browsing,
- make one NFC payment,
- have the S3 gear connected on bluetooth.
- few twitter messages and viber really small usage. (less than 40 messages overall)
So here are my settings
- WIFI is off and I'm using 3G connection (I stopped LTE thinking that requires more battery.. , correct me if I'm wrong please),
- screen not even on 50% and auto brightness off (using HD+ and a dark theme, everything is so dark!)
- AOD
- no led, no gestures (most of them I turn off for testing purpose)
- Medium battery saver on.
- No phone calls
- few notifications (not more than 20, also the notification is optimized to apps I'm concerned)
Any suggestion how to make it to end of working day .. at least?
I was waiting so long for a new note and now I'm a bit disappointed and I hope that is something I do wrong..
Funny is I just realized that by mistake I put the phone on airplane mode while making the screenshots, still percentage was flying away even like this. I lost 2% making screenshots in a matter of couple of minutes.
Please find the screenshots attached in the link down bellow, were to big to add them to the post.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7hYWRFdyQqPOFp3alVYNUxJUW8?usp=sharing
Thanks!
you might have some apps draining battery. I'm used to a rooted phone, so I'd always check with wakelock detector, but I'm not sure what you can do without installing an app as a system app.
Try factory resetting your phone and using it without installing anything for a day and see what the battery life is like. If it's significantly better, install your apps 1 by 1 until you find out which one is causing unnecessary cpu cycles or wakelocks.
Quiksmage said:
you might have some apps draining battery. I'm used to a rooted phone, so I'd always check with wakelock detector, but I'm not sure what you can do without installing an app as a system app.
Try factory resetting your phone and using it without installing anything for a day and see what the battery life is like. If it's significantly better, install your apps 1 by 1 until you find out which one is causing unnecessary cpu cycles or wakelocks.
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But I wonder, I shouldn't see the heavy usage on the battery info page? Like which app does most of the usage and time spend in the background or CPU?
I had excessive battery drain, about 10-11% an hour with every off . A full factory reset cured the problem.
What's your screen on time usage? 5-6 is probably the normal amount you would get with most phones (This is the most important thing if nothings draining the battery). And yes, it seems you might need a factory reset.
Raklik said:
But I wonder, I shouldn't see the heavy usage on the battery info page? Like which app does most of the usage and time spend in the background or CPU?
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You won't always see this as it could be a byproduct causing a kernel wakelock.
Either way, something is acting incorrectly. The only way to really figure it out is to start over and try things slowly till you find out what it is.
For instance, on my nvidia shield tablet k-1, I was getting horrendous battery life on every single rom, stock or AOSP/Lineage. I found that I was getting 30% wakelock killing ~20% battery life per day when it should be sub 5%. I found that wifi was causing these kernel wakelocks and setting wifi to be disabled with the screen off unless charging fixed the issue entirely.
Now, that anecdote likely has nothing to do with what you're experiencing, but note that you can usually find out what's wrong from trial and error.
I've had my note 8 for 6 days now, and battery life is excellent, i mean i have wi-fi and 4g lte on all the time, bluetooth on all the time, sync with 3 emails, Facebook, weather widget, weather screen refresh every 30mins, location high accuracy, edge lighting, aod schedule 7pm-7am, was 100% at 6am, played games on it lots, used the phone 2x, 1 hour call and a 30 mins call, text messages, it's 130pm and I'm at 55%, try a factory reset then log in to your gmail then just try to update the phone if there is any. Then reboot then start installing your apps. If it doesn't work call carrier customer service and complain about the battery not holding up like some people you know who has note 8. They might replace it with a new one.
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herandy said:
What's your screen on time usage? 5-6 is probably the normal amount you would get with most phones (This is the most important thing if nothings draining the battery). And yes, it seems you might need a factory reset.
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Phone died 15-20 minutes after I did the screenshots, so a bit more than 2 hours...
So.. yeah.. I will try a factory reset and start install all the apps bit by bit and see which one causes the troubles.. hopefully is nothing more than that.
Did you restore a backup or did you load your apps fresh from the play store?
I've had horrible luck with issues like battery life restoring from backups. I always install apps fresh.
douger1957 said:
Did you restore a backup or did you load your apps fresh from the play store?
I've had horrible luck with issues like battery life restoring from backups. I always install apps fresh.
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I did a google restore from backup! Damn! And I was thinking that I should maybe to a clean, one by one app install.
My battery life is also not great but im using full resolution and when i remember time when i got S6 edge on launch....the battery was horrible but after few updates it was perfect so stay strong and wait a bit
jirka607 said:
My battery life is also not great but im using full resolution and when i remember time when i got S6 edge on launch....the battery was horrible but after few updates it was perfect so stay strong and wait a bit
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can you translate "not great" in hours? :laugh: Because I will say that mine is second after horrible.. with update done.
I will start the reset in a short while and I will test it tomorrow with minimum apps installed.. those which I really must have in a working day..
Maximum 5 hrs on wifi normally about 3-4 battery is not great on note yet....some optimalization would be nice
I use Ampere to monitor the instan drain of current. In a quiet situation (screen on, internet or tapatalk browsing, gear connected, wifi and data turned on) you should have something 200 mA drain.
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Maybe some of the settings changes you're making are somehow rendering your phone less efficient.
I have the USA unlocked version and use it as it came without changing to a dark theme or turning anything off and the battery life is much better than yours.
douger1957 said:
Did you restore a backup or did you load your apps fresh from the play store?
I've had horrible luck with issues like battery life restoring from backups. I always install apps fresh.
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I restored from a helium backup. My battery life wasn't good for about a week but it did last all day down to 20-30% at the end of the day. After a week it has improved maybe due to apps updating. Now I'm at 70-80% at the end of the day with moderate use. I have disabled several apps I didn't need as well.
Seems like it's hit or miss with the battery life. I see a lot of people happy and some are having problems. Hopefully Samsung might push a update to help.
Get cpu spy and verify that your devoce is going into deep sleep when off(mine wasnt at first until i froze/removed some rouge apps). Install accubattery and do a benchmark and see how your battery does. At least do 6 discharge cycles first to see an average. Also, in device maintenance, you can make all apps doze when not being used now.. this is a new feature. Add all of your apps and they get put to sleep immediately. I get 8 hours SOT this way
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Raklik said:
Hey guys, I'm wondering what can I do to improve my Note 8 battery life. Seems to me that is draining and I do not get the chance to use it too much. Maybe you have an idea how to optimize and track the apps are overusing the battery, so far I was not able to detect which app/component drains my battery. Even Samsung seems that doesn't know since there is no message regarding background processes with heavy usage.
Basically I finished fully charging at 9:15 AM and now 16:15PM time I started to write the post and make the screenshots, it has 16%. What I did all this time with the phone, was:
- a bit of browsing,
- make one NFC payment,
- have the S3 gear connected on bluetooth.
- few twitter messages and viber really small usage. (less than 40 messages overall)
So here are my settings
- WIFI is off and I'm using 3G connection (I stopped LTE thinking that requires more battery.. , correct me if I'm wrong please),
- screen not even on 50% and auto brightness off (using HD+ and a dark theme, everything is so dark!)
- AOD
- no led, no gestures (most of them I turn off for testing purpose)
- Medium battery saver on.
- No phone calls
- few notifications (not more than 20, also the notification is optimized to apps I'm concerned)
Any suggestion how to make it to end of working day .. at least?
I was waiting so long for a new note and now I'm a bit disappointed and I hope that is something I do wrong..
Funny is I just realized that by mistake I put the phone on airplane mode while making the screenshots, still percentage was flying away even like this. I lost 2% making screenshots in a matter of couple of minutes.
Please find the screenshots attached in the link down bellow, were to big to add them to the post.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7hYWRFdyQqPOFp3alVYNUxJUW8?usp=sharing
Thanks!
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You dont have to use med battery saver either, just read my reply on this thread and you will be good. You may have to experiment a little to get your device to go into deep sleep when screen off. Mine didnt at first. Its on my other comment
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I got back from work and my phone was at 75% that's between 9:30am and 6:30 pm. So my battery life is pretty good. I lose about 5% overnight.
I average 7hrs screen time Got 8hrs yesterday
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My phone was purchased a little over a year ago. At first it probably needed a full recharge maybe once per two days, so I doubt it went through more than 200 charge cycles.
The screen on time when new regularly surpassed 12 hours with browsing and some YouTube. I suppose it became a bit worse as time went by, but the current SOT is terrible and also unpredictable. Again, it's mostly browsing on Chrome and YouTube, and it can be between 7 hours SOT to 10 maybe. The MIUI was updated to 13.0.15 I think a couple of months ago, and perhaps it became this bad after the update.
Does anyone else have this? The battery usage breakdown also doesn't make much sense. Chrome is often at the top but it counts as if only a small fraction of its usage was CPU foreground. Android System is often third-fourth, and the Cell Standby can be about 5%, but the drainage when not using the phone is sometimes a few percents every hour.
I revoked almost all of the system apps and also removed "Modify System Settings" for all of them as suggested somewhere, but that doesn't help.
Any solution?
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My phone was purchased a little over a year ago. At first it probably needed a full recharge maybe once per two days, so I doubt it went through more than 200 charge cycles.
The screen on time when new regularly surpassed 12 hours with browsing and some YouTube. I suppose it became a bit worse as time went by, but the current SOT is terrible and also unpredictable. Again, it's mostly browsing on Chrome and YouTube, and it can be between 7 hours SOT to 10 maybe. The MIUI was updated to 13.0.15 I think a couple of months ago, and perhaps it became this bad after the update.
Does anyone else have this? The battery usage breakdown also doesn't make much sense. Chrome is often at the top but it counts as if only a small fraction of its usage was CPU foreground. Android System is often third-fourth, and the Cell Standby can be about 5%, but the drainage when not using the phone is sometimes a few percents every hour.
I revoked almost all of the system apps and also removed "Modify System Settings" for all of them as suggested somewhere, but that doesn't help.
Any solution?
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use the dialer and tip *#*#6485#*#*
MF_02: should be the full battery cycle
MF_05: remain capacity in mAh
MF_06: designed capacity in mAh
dertuxinator said:
use the dialer and tip *#*#6485#*#*
MF_02: should be the full battery cycle
MF_05: remain capacity in mAh
MF_06: designed capacity in mAh
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I have MF_00, 01, 03 and 04 but not those suggested values.
Also, it seems this phone uses a lithium-polymer battery and according to online resources that material is rated for about 300 recharge cycles. Does to mean it's actually expected to degrade significantly after just over a year? I will note there's a battery health status (MB_06) simply saying Good.
Had the same problem, but I bought mine two months ago with global MI 13. Didn't use phone much but Chrome was always on top of the list with minimum to no usage at all. When I disabled Chrome with mi tools, battery was good again. Try debloating with mi tools if you don't have root, should do the trick.
Midvyk said:
Had the same problem, but I bought mine two months ago with global MI 13. Didn't use phone much but Chrome was always on top of the list with minimum to no usage at all. When I disabled Chrome with mi tools, battery was good again. Try debloating with mi tools if you don't have root, should do the trick.
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The question is whether it's actually because of Chrome or that there's something inaccurate with the battery readings? I prefer not to disable Chrome.
What SOT do you have with full charges?
TLxda-d said:
The question is whether it's actually because of Chrome or that there's something inaccurate ...
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To know that. Disable Chrome temporary and use another browser that time.
There could be a good chance that background use of Chrome is because of installed bloatware.
Elinx said:
To know that. Disable Chrome temporary and use another browser that time.
There could be a good chance that background use of Chrome is because of installed bloatware.
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Are there any examples of removing Xiaomi bloatware actually improving battery life?
I know you can't remove Security as it bricks the software and this seems like it might be the one thing that actually uses background battery, but the app is revoked on my phone anyway if that actually does anything.
TLxda-d said:
Are there any examples of removing Xiaomi bloatware actually improving battery life?
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I know there is a list of removeable Miui bloatware, but because I choose for a custom rom, I don't know of explicit examples.
In the past, with another Xiaomi phone I have done this and I know that this minimized the ads then, but can't remember the BB improvement.
I depends what the bloatware apps tries to do and how.
If they use network connections or cause wakelocks that prevent deep sleep etc. removing them should improve battery life.
Elinx said:
I know there is a list of removeable Miui bloatware, but because I choose for a custom rom, I don't know of explicit examples.
In the past, with another Xiaomi phone I have done this and I know that this minimized the ads then, but can't remember the BB improvement.
I depends what the bloatware apps tries to do and how.
If they use network connections or cause wakelocks that prevent deep sleep etc. removing them should improve battery life.
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I don't have any ads on anything other than regular ads in some third party apps.
Does the debloating method delete or just disable the apps?
TLxda-d said:
I don't have any ads on anything other than regular ads in some third party apps.
Does the debloating method delete or just disable the apps?
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You better read the threat about debloating
Without root you can only remove this app for a user.
So in theory the app is gone for you, but it will be still there and is easy to install again.
You need adb for this and can remove/install apps the easy way with a script or manually for every app.
Personally I think you must be conservative with removing system apps to prevent malfunction.
TLxda-d said:
The question is whether it's actually because of Chrome or that there's something inaccurate with the battery readings? I prefer not to disable Chrome.
What SOT do you have with full charges?
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SOT was good, 1st few charges (using from 20-85%) i got between 7h and 8h. I never go to 0 and 100% if i can help it.
Elinx said:
You better read the threat about debloating
Without root you can only remove this app for a user.
So in theory the app is gone for you, but it will be still there and is easy to install again.
You need adb for this and can remove/install apps the easy way with a script or manually for every app.
Personally I think you must be conservative with removing system apps to prevent malfunction.
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Perhaps I'll try later. Thanks.
Midvyk said:
SOT was good, 1st few charges (using from 20-85%) i got between 7h and 8h. I never go to 0 and 100% if i can help it.
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On what kind of usage? Because as I said, for light usage I got around 12 hours SOT at first.
EDIT: Ah, you referred to 85% to 20%, that could be around 12 hours for the entire battery.
Something similar happened to me this night. Bought the phone a couple of months ago, currently on miui 13 eea, rooted, sleepy kernel with limited cpu freq. With light usage the minimum SoT i got was 12 hours. However this night battery went from 15 % to 3% and the phone was totally inactive. This is the first time i see this issue. Dont know the cause.
TommasoClancione said:
Something similar happened to me this night. Bought the phone a couple of months ago, currently on miui 13 eea, rooted, sleepy kernel with limited cpu freq. With light usage the minimum SoT i got was 12 hours. However this night battery went from 15 % to 3% and the phone was totally inactive. This is the first time i see this issue. Dont know the cause.
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Just this night it seems my phone has lost almost 20% on its own. The breakdown is like this:
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TLxda-d said:
Just this night it seems my phone has lost almost 20% on its own. The breakdown is like this:
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And "other", whatever that refers to, is at another 31%.
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For me "phone idle" was about 20% of the usage. However this night everything was fine.
TommasoClancione said:
For me "phone idle" was about 20% of the usage. However this night everything was fine.
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It seems the issue might be a bit better now, as so far the phone has been off the charger for about 5 hours and I have around 92% charge left over 50+ minutes of SOT.
I did "uninstall" through ADB a bunch of built in apps and software as suggested in some bloatware lists, although not everything (and some that weren't suggested in all cases but were supposedly related to mi account stuff), although another thing I did was unlog the mi account from the phone. I think I might have logged it in about a month ago when I wanted to change something with my mi router, and although nothing is set to backup to their cloud perhaps it did work in the background in some ways which heavily drained the battery?
I'll see when the battery is close to 0 what is the actual SOT.
TLxda-d said:
It seems the issue might be a bit better now, as so far the phone has been off the charger for about 5 hours and I have around 92% charge left over 50+ minutes of SOT.
I did "uninstall" through ADB a bunch of built in apps and software as suggested in some bloatware lists, although not everything (and some that weren't suggested in all cases but were supposedly related to mi account stuff), although another thing I did was unlog the mi account from the phone. I think I might have logged it in about a month ago when I wanted to change something with my mi router, and although nothing is set to backup to their cloud perhaps it did work in the background in some ways which heavily drained the battery?
I'll see when the battery is close to 0 what is the actual SOT.
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Honestly i don't really know. For example the past night i left my phone on and everything went fine, no drain or strange issues. I always use the battery saver mode and i disabled most of the miui apps with luck patcher, except security, clock and some basic apps
TommasoClancione said:
Honestly i don't really know. For example the past night i left my phone on and everything went fine, no drain or strange issues. I always use the battery saver mode and i disabled most of the miui apps with luck patcher, except security, clock and some basic apps
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Listen, the change in battery drain after the debloating I did (or just the logging out of the mi account, I don't know) is incredible! As I mentioned, it used to drain almost 20% over a 7-8 hour night with the battery breakdown I pasted above, and now it's 2% to 3% and looks like this:
Makes me wonder what it was doing in the background when all of the optional battery-draining features were supposedly disabled.
TLxda-d said:
Listen, the change in battery drain after the debloating I did (or just the logging out of the mi account, I don't know) is incredible! As I mentioned, it used to drain almost 20% over a 7-8 hour night with the battery breakdown I pasted above, and now it's 2% to 3% and looks like this:
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Makes me wonder what it was doing in the background when all of the optional battery-draining features were supposedly disabled.
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Seems really good.