I didn't expect 1000€ device still has this issue.
If you want to test it on your note 9 download this image: https://i.imgur.com/DUEKJzH.jpg
It is dark solid grey background.
In dark room open this image and set brightness to low. You should see uniform gray color.
I think at least 90% devices has this problem.
Here is what I see:
https://imgur.com/a/efvMZXE
https://imgur.com/a/uJPa8jE
Feel free to enlighten me but unless you spend all your time looking at a dark solid grey background, I don't see why this is an issue. I have tested mine with a similar image and to my eyes, the screen is perfect.
Your link to the image is dead btw.
willhemmens said:
Feel free to enlighten me but unless you spend all your time looking at a dark solid grey background, I don't see why this is an issue. I have tested mine with a similar image and to my eyes, the screen is perfect.
Your link to the image is dead btw.
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Many apps has dark gray background. First I didn't test anything I just noticed it in youtube app - dark mode. Its quite disappointing.
I tried all three links on another pc and they are working.
KastrO_on said:
Many apps has dark gray background. First I didn't test anything I just noticed it in youtube app - dark mode. Its quite disappointing.
I tried all three links on another pc and they are working.
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While they do have a dark grey background, there is usually something in front of the background to draw your eye to instead.
Thanks for letting me know about the links, it's amazing how editing your post, fixing the links and saving the post makes the links work. I did check the links and all I see is noise.
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While they do have a dark grey background, there is usually something in front of the background to draw your eye to instead.
Thanks for letting me know about the links, it's amazing how editing your post, fixing the links and saving the post makes the links work. I did check the links and all I see is noise.
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Not every time background is covered by content. I can clearly see difference on youtube app, top part of display is slightly lighter and greenish and bottom is darker and reddish.
I did nothing to the links. I just tried to add pictures (insert image) but it didn't work.
seems my note 9 does not have the issue u reported
see the pic u posted as screenshot from my note 9
No issue here.
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I think at least 90% devices has this problem.
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I think you think wrong. From which orifice did you pluck that 90% figure from?
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I think you think wrong. From which orifice did you pluck that 90% figure from?
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Thats how mass production works. Or do you think im the only one who got exclusive defective device?
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Thats how mass production works. Or do you think im the only one who got exclusive defective device?
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Actually, mass production usually aims for less than 1% failure rate, so I'm pretty confident you got one of those >1%.
Considering YOU are the only one complaining, then yes, you're probably one unlucky person.
If you were talking about a Google Pixel 2/3, then yes, you're likely to have a **** screen, because that's how they are. Samsung screens aren't like that at all - the Note 9 has one of, if not THE best screen available on any phone.
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Actually, mass production usually aims for less than 1% failure rate, so I'm pretty confident you got one of those >1%.
Considering YOU are the only one complaining, then yes, you're probably one unlucky person.
If you were talking about a Google Pixel 2/3, then yes, you're likely to have a **** screen, because that's how they are. Samsung screens aren't like that at all - the Note 9 has one of, if not THE best screen available on any phone.
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Thats why Im disappointed. Didnt expect this from Samsung.
Im going to try another piece so we will see.
KastrO_on said:
I didn't expect 1000€ device still has this issue.
If you want to test it on your note 9 download this image: https://i.imgur.com/DUEKJzH.jpg
It is dark solid grey background.
In dark room open this image and set brightness to low. You should see uniform gray color.
I think at least 90% devices has this problem.
Here is what I see:
https://imgur.com/a/efvMZXE
https://imgur.com/a/uJPa8jE
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I am pretty sure they will agree to change it + the chances to draw again a problematic display are really slim. Sadly some do have such a problem and actually I saw a lot worse on the xda forums. Return it for exchange is my advice.
Look in my thread history. I made threads about Samsung display uniformity issues since Note3!
It got better over the years, but still I estimate only 10-30% of all Amoled screens are perfect.
Samsung makes things right in terms of quality management, because most customers do not notice this flaw, but if you are sensible to it, it's hard to ignore!
in my threads I also explained the reason for this, which is how amoled screens are produced. they are cut out of wafers after lithography. only devices cut out of the center of the wafer have almost uniform screens. the more from a side your screen has been cut out, the worse the screen quality will be.
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Look in my thread history. I made threads about Samsung display uniformity issues since Note3!
It got better over the years, but still I estimate only 10-30% of all Amoled screens are perfect.
Samsung makes things right in terms of quality management, because most customers do not notice this flaw, but if you are sensible to it, it's hard to ignore!
in my threads I also explained the reason for this, which is how amoled screens are produced. they are cut out of wafers after lithography. only devices cut out of the center of the wafer have almost uniform screens. the more from a side your screen has been cut out, the worse the screen quality will be.
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I think it has improved a lot since a couple of years. Before that, I used to swap my Samsung phones once or twice to get a decent one.
But the last 4 or 5 phones I bought, all with Samsung screens, were all perfect.
That includes Pixel 2 (not XL), Note 9, S8+, P20 Pro, etc....
Either I got extremely lucky to get as many perfect screens in a row, or they really improved things. Now I think it will happen to me again to have a bad one, but I'm not as nervous anymore. It's not a lottery anymore.
My Note 9 in particular is extremely impressive with a perfect screen. Perfect whites, no uniformity problem with any shades of grey at any brightness. Pure oled bliss.
BUT, I've had so many problems before that I'll ALWAYS be a little nervous before unboxing an oled screen smartphone. I've been burned too many times with crappy panels.
Let me tell you I was extremely nervous the day I bought my LG Oled 4K TV 55"..... Thousands of dollars thrown at an Oled panel lottery.... I was lucky this time again
Times are changing.
Okay so I got another note 9 and has this issue too but in different spot. Also checked one more piece in samsung store...same.
So I think almost everyone has this uneven screen but maybe some of you have less sensitive eyes or just don't want to see this problem
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Okay so I got another note 9 and has this issue too but in different spot. Also checked one more piece in samsung store...same.
So I think almost everyone has this uneven screen but maybe some of you have less sensitive eyes or just don't want to see this problem
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So my question is, does this affect your use of the device? Is it causing wear and tear on you vision? Or is it just an OCD/OCPD effect?
To me personally, stuff like this is pointless to have an issue with even on a phone that costs $1000. Unless it's to the point where you can't use the device because you see the defect on everything.
To another comment I saw that included the word "Perfect," NOTHING is perfect, and there will never be such a thing that could be perfect because of our human definition of what perfection is. It's good to strive for Better, but it's pointless to strive for Perfection.
Btw, I did download the Pic and tested it on my Note 9 and my wife's Note 8, and the uniformity is affected on both devices. I also looked at the image on my 4K TVs and my LCD monitors and the effect is there. Are you sure the image itself is uniform?
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So my question is, does this affect your use of the device? Is it causing wear and tear on you vision? Or is it just an OCD/OCPD effect?
To me personally, stuff like this is pointless to have an issue with even on a phone that costs $1000. Unless it's to the point where you can't use the device because you see the defect on everything.
To another comment I saw that included the word "Perfect," NOTHING is perfect, and there will never be such a thing that could be perfect because of our human definition of what perfection is. It's good to strive for Better, but it's pointless to strive for Perfection.
Btw, I did download the Pic and tested it on my Note 9 and my wife's Note 8, and the uniformity is affected on both devices. I also looked at the image on my 4K TVs and my LCD monitors and the effect is there. Are you sure the image itself is uniform?
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Perfect screens exist. I have some. I have perfect eyesight. I was a combat helicopter pilot in the french army. I know what to look for. If it is there I see it. If it is not, I don't. It's a fact. It's science. Not some voodoo magic wishful thinking.
I've had terrible screens. I've had some perfect. Nowadays I get more good ones than bad.
Bad ones still exist, but it my opinion that they are less and less common.
Against clear backgrounds you won't see much apart from a slight shift in color temperature.
Against dark grey at indoor brightness you can have incredible differences between some parts of the screen.
If you use a dark theme (not black), you will see it all the time.
Does it prevents you from using the phone ? No of course not.
Does it suck on a 1000 dollars phone ? Yes.
Some people are insensitive to that kind of thing. Good for them.
It's not an OCD. It's the will to have a good looking screen.
I like good looking women. I don't think it's an OCD. I know what I want, that's all. And I want the best. Nothing less.
If you want to settle with average, good for you.
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Perfect screens exist. I have some. I have perfect eyesight. I was a combat helicopter pilot in the french army. I know what to look for. If it is there I see it. If it is not, I don't. It's a fact. It's science. Not some voodoo magic wishful thinking.
I've had terrible screens. I've had some perfect. Nowadays I get more good ones than bad.
Bad ones still exist, but it my opinion that they are less and less common.
Against clear backgrounds you won't see much apart from a slight shift in color temperature.
Against dark grey at indoor brightness you can have incredible differences between some parts of the screen.
If you use a dark theme (not black), you will see it all the time.
Does it prevents you from using the phone ? No of course not.
Does it suck on a 1000 dollars phone ? Yes.
Some people are insensitive to that kind of thing. Good for them.
It's not an OCD. It's the will to have a good looking screen.
I like good looking women. I don't think it's an OCD. I know what I want, that's all. And I want the best. Nothing less.
If you want to settle with average, good for you.
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I literally stopped reading at "Perfect eyesight." And then I went back and read your reply...and I still stopped at perfect eyesight. I wish I was as perfect as you man. For real...???
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I literally stopped reading at "Perfect eyesight." And then I went back and read your reply...and I still stopped at perfect eyesight. I wish I was as perfect as you man. For real...??
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You do know that you have to have a perfect eyesight to be a combat pilot, do you ?
Acuity, color, contrast, night vision, side vision, field of view, and much more. Everything is tested BEFORE you're even allowed to go forward in the selection process.
Most people fail those tests. That's sad but that's life.
As a side note, you don't have to have perfect vision to see those screen problems.
They can be very obvious to anybody open minded enough.
Close minded people though, will always be impervious to such matter.
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You do know that you have to have a perfect eyesight to be a combat pilot, do you ?
Acuity, color, contrast, night vision, side vision, field of view, and much more. Everything is tested BEFORE you're even allowed to go forward in the selection process.
Most people fail those tests. That's sad but that's life.
As a side note, you don't have to have perfect vision to see those screen problems.
They can be very obvious to anybody open minded enough.
Close minded people though, will always be impervious to such matter.
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You literally missed the most important part of my original post. That's why I stopped reading your post.
And yes I do know you have to have "Perfect" eyesight to join some military air forces.?
And I hope you aren't calling me closed minded. I never said someone has to have perfect eyesight to see the differences of the pixels in the image.
Anyways, I'm done with this. Quite pointless now.??
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I am a happy Galaxy S I9000 owner. And I would like to purchase my next cell phone model. I am looking to Galaxy Note. Would you kindly post your impressions and any pros and cons.
Thanks
Cheers, Darius
Pros - too much to write about (don't have enough time now)
Cons - There's no return to other Smartphones. It's just too addictive .
look out for pixel problems
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Thanks. What application do you suggest for that?
buk_grudziadz said:
Pros - too much to write about (don't have enough time now)
Cons - There's no return to other Smartphones. It's just too addictive .
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Thanks for prompt reply
Pros:
- Huge, beautiful, detailed screen
- S-Pen (I use it pretty frequently for taking notes, screenshots etc.)
- Great speed
- ICS coming
- Great camera
- Did I mention the lovely screen?
Cons:
- Notification LED missing (I got used to it on Desire)
- For some the screen might just be too big, so try it out before you buy it.
- You really won't like smaller screens after a few days
Oh and the phone has some difficulties with the black color in films. As I read, it is because the screen has 24-bit color depth, which is uncommon yet amongst programs (to an expert: please correct me if I'm wrong!)
Feel free to ask, if you have further questions!
Hello Darius, I've owned both the SGS1 & 2, and now the Note. I had some misgivings about the Note too, especially since the demo units at the local Samsung shops felt laggy to me. But I did much research and finally got the phone, and it's one of the best decisions I ever made.
Pros:
Huge size makes browsing, checking email and ebook reading a breeze. It's large enough for me to decide to sell off my rooted NookColor as this is much more flexible, portable and has much better features. I find it easier to hold the phone and take photos because of the size, as compared to the SGS2 which was too thin for me to hold comfortably.
Doesn't matter what conflicting information there are out there about pentile display, the screen is beautiful and the colours lovely, not over-saturated like SGS2. Banding is also much better than what the SGS2 suffered from.
Battery life and camera seem comparable to SGS2, if not better. No issues with dead pixels, pink spots, green whatever...I did notice that the display is a tad uneven with a flat grey wallpaper/background, but that was true of my SGS2 as well. In real life I do not use an even toned grey wallpaper, so that doesn't bother me at all. And it's pointless to get all stressed out over little things like that as my life is exciting enough.
The s-pen makes taking notes on the fly so much easier and cooler than digging around for a pen to write on your palm! I like being able to take screen captures too. Hopefully my artistic career will take off because of this phone. Nah...just kidding!
Cons:
Huge size means the self-conscious people may feel somewhat clownish with this. You'll have to put up with a few--not that many--stares, rubber necks and looks of horror from the unenlightened. Those who had owned Palms or are suffering from long sightedness will doubtless praise you for your gorgeous new gadget. Those who wear tight jeans may not be so crazy about it.
It comes with bloatware that slow down the phone (at least for speed freaks like me) and take up space. Thus you may need to root--please read extensively before doing so--in order to freeze or delete the bloatware. This is subjective as some people don't find the bloatware an issue, but I've always rooted my phones and my hands get itchy when I don't. Perhaps once the official ICS comes out, I will no longer need to root as I understand that you can easily delete unwanted apps.
Some apps are not meant for phones this size and may not take up the entire screen, or will look a little soft. So far these tend to be games. It's not a deal breaker for me because I don't play many games and can easily look for alternative games.
And the greatest problem, I feel, is that I may never settle for a smaller phone in the future!
holgalee said:
Hello Darius, I've owned both the SGS1 & 2, and now the Note. I had some misgivings about the Note too, especially since the demo units at the local Samsung shops felt laggy to me.
Pros:
Huge size makes browsing, checking email and ebook reading a breeze. It's large enough for me to decide to sell off my rooted NookColor as this is much more flexible, portable and has much better features.
Doesn't matter what conflicting information there are out there about pentile display, the screen is beautiful and the colours lovely, not over-saturated like SGS2. Banding is also much better than what the SGS2 suffered from.
Cons:
Huge size means the self-conscious people may feel somewhat clownish with this.
It comes with bloatware that slow down the phone (at least for speed freaks like me) and take up space. Thus you may need to root--please read extensively before doing so--in order to freeze or delete the bloatware.
Doubt if you will ever settle for a smaller phone in the future!
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Bcroc said:
Pros:
- Huge, beautiful, detailed screen
- S-Pen (I use it pretty frequently for taking notes, screenshots etc.)
- Great speed
- ICS coming
- Great camera
- Did I mention the lovely screen?
Cons:
- Notification LED missing (I got used to it on Desire)
- For some the screen might just be too big, so try it out before you buy it.
- You really won't like smaller screens after a few days
Oh and the phone has some difficulties with the black color in films. As I read, it is because the screen has 24-bit color depth, which is uncommon yet amongst programs (to an expert: please correct me if I'm wrong!)
Feel free to ask, if you have further questions!
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Thank you very much for sharing
You're most welcome. Uh...I added a bit more info after you read and thanked me.
My pros and cons are at my blog, AndroidNZ.net
So far I've written about 8,000 words or something in my review, and the last part is nearly done and currently coming in at around 4,600 words.
If you really want to know the pros and cons in detail that is.
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I mean...pray that you won't get one with Dead Pixels like the one that I got recently
I heard there are some screen quality issues with the Note from this forum but didn't think I would be unlucky enough to get one. But guess what....
But hey...I'm sure you will be luckier than me....and apart from that....it's a GREAT device
Well the only issues you would face are with the screen and nothing else. If you are buying at some store do sure to take "dead pixel checker" or "screen test" software with you (in ur older phone). You can transfer em to the new phone via bluetooth and test the screen.
Otherwise U can go to the service menu and check the RGB screens for any dead pixel. Best way to check for dead pixel is to lower the brightness to 0% and take the phone in a dark environment if possible and look from a distance of about 5 inches. Otherwise its really hard to make out dead pixels in bright lights, but if they are there and you are watching a movie at night in the bed, u wont be too happy to find em. As others have said the screen is uneven on gray color. Do check out the grey color and see if there are any smudges and try to see them on other normal screens. If they are not there then all good.
Regarding dead pixels till now, only white stuck pixels have been reported (me a victim as well). And stuck pixels (particularly in this phone) are visible only on grey color. If you have any more doubts dont hesitate to ask, would be glad to help !!!
I have had both. The biggest decision is the screen. Its fantastic to look at and work on but its massive to deal with. I'm sometimes a little scared I may drop the device and one handed is nearly impossible - which is generally not a big deal except for taking pictures sometimes. Jury is still out.
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Thank you everybody for sharing. I have already exchanged my SGS to Note. Very happy. Seems to be no dead pixels.
buk_grudziadz said:
Pros - too much to write about (don't have enough time now)
Cons - There's no return to other Smartphones. It's just too addictive .
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most super amoled srceen does not have dead or stuck pixels, is this because of the density of the screen using the 1280-720 screen, also to hijack the thread, what will ppl consider between the note or galaxy nexus, why i'm asking, i will be getting either one next week, so ppls opinion would be great.
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Is this phone any good I am currently waiting on it's release and I want opinions from owners of this device. It seems to be a really nice phone but we all know looks can be deceiving.
My friend read this tread below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1474891
Go read some reviews - there are plenty. But make sure to only pay attention to reviewers who clearly used the device for a few days or more.
Many first impression reviews/unboxing videos state 'obvious' things that clearly aren't true after you use it a few days.
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Go read some reviews - there are plenty. But make sure to only pay attention to reviewers who clearly used the device for a few days or more.
Many first impression reviews/unboxing videos state 'obvious' things that clearly aren't true after you use it a few days.
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Agree.The Note will blow almost everyone away on first impression because of it's size and eye catching dynamic display but it does have some issues once you have used it for a while.
Most issues like lag and banding are not severe and can be fixed with mods but the one issue that cannot be fixed right now is the pixelation in dark shadows which can be a deal breaker some people.For most it won't be a deal breaker and most won't even notice the problem unless they watch a lot of movies in a dark room.
Samsung could fix the problem with an update and supercurio is working on an app to address the issue so there is hope there as well.
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Is this phone any good I am currently waiting on it's release and I want opinions from owners of this device. It seems to be a really nice phone but we all know looks can be deceiving.
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It's an OK'ISH phone. It may be too big for you, although the pentile display is not noticeable from a foot away but any closer you will notice them, there are colour rendering issues(you will see colour banding, Samsung always tend to screw up display just to make colour POOP. never a fan of Samsung dnie engine), audio dac is. Not up to par with iphone or SGS in terms of sound quality, the stock keyboard is laggy, not popular among dev yet, no ics leak for note so far, no calibration for stylus, power button and volume button are nor ergonomically placed, (you have a high chance of changing the volume wile unlocking on one hand operation or vice versa), it can't run crisis or ios, sometimes life is a wet BANANA. FRIDAY.
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Thank you for all your helpful replies everyone. It sounds a little buggy right now so I don't know if I want it so soon maybe after some fixes for things I will get it.
Seriously can't work this one out, do I get my screen changed or not?
Should I wait to see if ICS makes it any better?
This phone is perfect for me except this issue with the blacks / greys. Even when i zoom in on dark parts of pictures taken with the phones camera it turns into a pixelated mess, so this is defiantly not a low quality source issue, its hardware or software related, but which?
Advice please guys. Many thanks!
I know! Right?
The screen Is freaking awesome, simply the best on any smartphone, but why those blacks haven't been fixed yet???
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I really am at a loss to what you guys are complaining about. I'm either not that fussy, or deluded to the fact that what I think I am seeing as 'bad' I pass off as something else.
From what I've read around the forums, what should be a shaded series of greys/blacks in an area are appearing as blocks of black/darkgrey instead of a gradual change.
I've always thought this was down to how videos/images where compressed or decompressed and displayed - which would almost certainly be software and not hardware?
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I really am at a loss to what you guys are complaining about. I'm either not that fussy, or deluded to the fact that what I think I am seeing as 'bad' I pass off as something else.
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Same here. My blacks look fine most of the time. When I do get grey blockiness I'm pretty sure it's due to poor compression in the video file, because other videos, large black areas look fine.
Can anyone give a link to a video available online in which this problem occurs (and the point in the video we should be looking at).
Maybe then we can get some objective testing with everyone using the same source file.
Maybe even have people doing screenshots to compare screens.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366014&page=4
I'm rarely using my phone in dark enough conditions to notice.
ICS should improve gradients, but won't fix the black crush if it is indeed a problem with the screen hardware.
I am probably going to regret this, as my Note was perfect except for this black crush issue, but I sent mine back to be replaced. And the issue was not just on videos for me so poor quality encodes are not the problem, I was getting it even with pictures taken with the phones camera. Said pictures taken with the Note displayed fine on my pc and my wifes Galaxy s 2, so it is deffo a problem with the device.
Please lets not turn this into another "who cares" or "its not that noticeable" debate like the other threads, all I am aiming at with this thread from now is to find out if there are any Notes in existence that do not have this issue!
Thanks.
I refuse to look for a problem that is not there.....
There is no phone or portable device in existence that is color accurate, either tonally or temperature or gamma correct out of the box, and to expect such is to be, well, expecting quite a bit too much.
Why do i make that statement?.. Well, given that a monitor or TV at ANY price are not accurately calibrated.
To get an accurately calibrated monitor requires a display worth using, then a color tone/temperature/gamma calibration system (which is ~$200 & up) and software that can use the resulting calibration profiles...
The SGN is a phone... tbh there is no "fault" or "problem" here, other than unrealistic customer expectations...
Would a settings app that could set globally set color temp & gamma be helpful? sure.. there is enough color temp variation in the spread of production tolerances in phone to make this useful... stop a ll the pink white /blue white issues
But will it make the SGN a color accurate display?.. no.
So... lets wave a magic wand and make it so... whats the point? the camera does not justify it, the movies you watch are overly compressed and not color accurate (never mind compression artifacts of banding, blocking and shading), youtube videos have no quality controls.. online TV, website videos and stills have major color saturation issues.. so what content will you access that is going to be useable on a color accurate display?..
well, 4 beers down and 2c more spent..
Mystic38 said:
I refuse to look for a problem that is not there.....
There is no phone or portable device in existence that is color accurate, either tonally or temperature or gamma correct out of the box, and to expect such is to be, well, expecting quite a bit too much.
Why do i make that statement?.. Well, given that a monitor or TV at ANY price are not accurately calibrated.
To get an accurately calibrated monitor requires a display worth using, then a color tone/temperature/gamma calibration system (which is ~$200 & up) and software that can use the resulting calibration profiles...
The SGN is a phone... tbh there is no "fault" or "problem" here, other than unrealistic customer expectations...
Would a settings app that could set globally set color temp & gamma be helpful? sure.. there is enough color temp variation in the spread of production tolerances in phone to make this useful... stop a ll the pink white /blue white issues
But will it make the SGN a color accurate display?.. no.
So... lets wave a magic wand and make it so... whats the point? the camera does not justify it, the movies you watch are overly compressed and not color accurate (never mind compression artifacts of banding, blocking and shading), youtube videos have no quality controls.. online TV, website videos and stills have major color saturation issues.. so what content will you access that is going to be useable on a color accurate display?..
well, 4 beers down and 2c more spent..
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Dude, my pc plays / displays these movies and images fine with no artifacts, as does my tv, as does my partners Galaxy s 2, as does my Nexus s, so how can you say that there is no problem?
Anyway, I just had a look at my cousins Galaxy Note and that one is playing these movies fine, and is displaying the pictures taken with my Note without the chess board effect, so if you are happy to pay over £400 for a defective device thats up to you, but many of us expect to get what we paid for.
I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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I agree with you it is a problem and even supercurio has been on it and he is a developer so someting isnt right so lets hope it gets fixed cause many people suffer with it
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I just found this on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg many people find this a problem.
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The problem is clear enough to see there, but it's not one I've ever noticed on my Note. I just tried playing this YouTube clip on my Note....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxd2n8S4AE
and could see nothing wrong with the video performance in a darkened (curtains drawn during daytime) room. I wonder how well this clip plays for other people on the Note.
I made a video of the Note playing this clip and I'm uploading it at the moment. It will take a while (81 minutes remaining at the moment) as I shot in 1080p. I'll post a link when it's ready.
FWIW I'm on the latest official ROM and my phone was sourced from Germany in early November. From my perspective there is no problem, which might make it quite hard for Samsung to fix.
My Note is running on ICS (CM9) and the color rendering is substantially improved over stock GB. Gradients are smoother and blacks are rendered cleaner.
My video is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl0SKxnqa2I
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My video is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl0SKxnqa2I
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I've played the same clip on my Note and it looks exactly like yours, no banding/crushing/clipping whatsoever.
I've tried a lot of Youtube clips and movie trailers but in only one of them I could see obvious artefacts during a fade out. I played the same clip on my pc and saw the same thing happen there so that's probably just lousy encoding.
Thanks for putting that video up, I hope my replacement looks like yours, its due tomorrow.
I got me new note, this one is set to uk language instead of german like the one I returned. It has the exact same issue, drops from 4 grey to 3 complete black and i am still getting the clipping, bloody Samsung, this was meant to be an upgrade from my nexus s, but most stuff looks better on that! Not gonna excahnge again, I will wait for ICS and see if Samsung actually acknowledge the issue.
@Mystic38. Whilst I agree with you that most consumer devices don't come calibrated to industry standards and that most consumer devices lack the essential settings found on the most basic of professional displays, I fail to see how any colour, contrast, hue, gamma or brightness calibration would affect the overall appearance, unless of course you are cranking the settings beyond anything useful and crushing the dynamics intentionally.
It's difficult to introduce visual banding or blocking in high BIT rate video or lightly compressed images by tweaking settings and calibration by a couple of percent alone, as there are near on 17 million colours. This leaves thousands of grey levels to play with and the human eye shouldn't notice banding or blocking with that many greys.
This presumably points to an issue with the way that video is presented to the screen driver or how the screen driver drives the screen. There's probably an issue with crushing where the hardware converts the digital signal to electronic levels of each AMOLED element. I have seen this problem on other devices, not just phones and most of the time it was rectified after a software upgrade.
Another thing to remember is that companies like Samsung are fully aware and accommodating of the fact that a lot of people now use these types of phones as monitors for photography and video production as I do. I use DSLR Controller and have no problem with crushing. Using the phone as a monitor has been extremely helpful and negated the expense of something which would have cost over 10 times the price.
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I just got round to trying the ,png gamma test file on my Note. It fails the test. Everything below 4 is black and as you go through the numbers from 4 and above there are bands grouping four levels into one tone. Worse still, the tones alternate from greenish to purple instead of being shades of grey. Interestingly if I perform a screen capture the capture is a true reflection of what I see, which implies to me that the Note is actually sending bad values to the screen rather than a hardware problem, because surely the screen capture only cares about the data, not the physical appearance produced.
Looking at the same file on my laptop everything is presented correctly, so obviously the file is not the problem.
Yet despite failing this test I have never noticed a problem with the Note to cause me concern in normal every day use.
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I just got round to trying the ,png gamma test file on my Note. It fails the test. Everything below 4 is black and as you go through the numbers from 4 and above there are bands grouping four levels into one tone. Worse still, the tones alternate from greenish to purple instead of being shades of grey. Interestingly if I perform a screen capture the capture is a true reflection of what I see, which implies to me that the Note is actually sending bad values to the screen rather than a hardware problem, because surely the screen capture only cares about the data, not the physical appearance produced.
Looking at the same file on my laptop everything is presented correctly, so obviously the file is not the problem.
Yet despite failing this test I have never noticed a problem with the Note to cause me concern in normal every day use.
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Have you viewed it in the gallery or in a browser? With my Note everything below 4 is crushed in the stock ICS browser but I can see everything in the gallery.
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Have you viewed it in the gallery or in a browser? With my Note everything below 4 is crushed in the stock ICS browser but I can see everything in the gallery.
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I think the gallery uses a different color gradient and temperature than the stock ICS browser, much as if you view a rich encoded black contrast video on the stock video player and on a custom app video player like MX player... you get varying results...
I think this issue is a mix of both a hardware and software one, and though the Official ICS upgrade "might" alleviate this problem, I surely believe also that since this is a combination of a hardware problem, the clippings are still there but perhaps not quite noticeable anymore....
Then let's get Google to fix it.
Star this issue. Right now, it only has 5 stars. Encourage everyone you know who has an Nexus 4 and is annoyed with the washed out and faded colors to star this issue. Maybe we can get better screen calibration in Key Lime Pie.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=46763
I've already starred the issue in a different bug report. This one feels redundant.
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Endoran said:
I've already starred the issue in a different bug report. This one feels redundant.
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You got a link for that one, then?
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No but I'm tired of everyone complaining about something which doesn't exist!
The amount of people moaning about this compared to the amount perfectly happy with their phones backs up the fact that this is complete tosh.
And by that I mean the hundreds in this forum, if it even is that many, compared to the thousands in the forum and the.millions out there completely happy with it including reviews.
I for one love the screen and in every real world test side by side.with other phones that I've carried out proved to me and others that the nexus 4 display is true to life as possible and most other displays are.over saturated and un natural.
Bright cartoonish colours and black crush does not mean a good screen.
If people want to have a mythical non washed out screen get a super amoled display already.
Google should completely ignore bug reports for none bugs such as this and.people shouldn't take up their time with this nonsense.
That's ten minutes i won't get back lol
Flame on!
*** Posted from my perfectly readable stock 4.2.2 nexus 4 screen***
Just helping you guys out. Im fine with the colors right now. Just starred the issue.
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The screen on my N4 is wonderfully neutral for a change, in real life colours don't burn your eyes out.
4.2.2 is better, not perfect, but quite nice. imo
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No but I'm tired of everyone complaining about something which doesn't exist!
The amount of people moaning about this compared to the amount perfectly happy with their phones backs up the fact that this is complete tosh.
And by that I mean the hundreds in this forum, if it even is that many, compared to the thousands in the forum and the.millions out there completely happy with it including reviews.
I for one love the screen and in every real world test side by side.with other phones that I've carried out proved to me and others that the nexus 4 display is true to life as possible and most other displays are.over saturated and un natural.
Bright cartoonish colours and black crush does not mean a good screen.
If people want to have a mythical non washed out screen get a super amoled display already.
Google should completely ignore bug reports for none bugs such as this and.people shouldn't take up their time with this nonsense.
That's ten minutes i won't get back lol
Flame on!
*** Posted from my perfectly readable stock 4.2.2 nexus 4 screen***
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Nobody is asking for oversaturated colours, just calibration.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/6
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No but I'm tired of everyone complaining about something which doesn't exist!
The amount of people moaning about this compared to the amount perfectly happy with their phones backs up the fact that this is complete tosh.
And by that I mean the hundreds in this forum, if it even is that many, compared to the thousands in the forum and the.millions out there completely happy with it including reviews.
I for one love the screen and in every real world test side by side.with other phones that I've carried out proved to me and others that the nexus 4 display is true to life as possible and most other displays are.over saturated and un natural.
*** Posted from my perfectly readable stock 4.2.2 nexus 4 screen***
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That's the thing. It is not true to life. Well...it is if you're living a world filled with shades of grey After i installed one of Mole's custom kernels i can say that the difference is STAGGERING. Gamma values are between 2.2 and 2.4 (compared to 1.6-1.7 in stock kernel). RGB standards say that 2.2 is true to life...1.6 isn't
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No but I'm tired of everyone complaining about something which doesn't exist!
The amount of people moaning about this compared to the amount perfectly happy with their phones backs up the fact that this is complete tosh.
And by that I mean the hundreds in this forum, if it even is that many, compared to the thousands in the forum and the.millions out there completely happy with it including reviews.
I for one love the screen and in every real world test side by side.with other phones that I've carried out proved to me and others that the nexus 4 display is true to life as possible and most other displays are.over saturated and un natural.
Bright cartoonish colours and black crush does not mean a good screen.
If people want to have a mythical non washed out screen get a super amoled display already.
Google should completely ignore bug reports for none bugs such as this and.people shouldn't take up their time with this nonsense.
That's ten minutes i won't get back lol
Flame on!
*** Posted from my perfectly readable stock 4.2.2 nexus 4 screen***
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Clearly you are a minority. Number of stars on this issue has gone waaaaay up.
Aren't you glad you wasted that ten minutes?
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javacody said:
Clearly you are a minority. Number of stars on this issue has gone waaaaay up.
Aren't you glad you wasted that ten minutes?
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I find the screen to be completely acceptable, and great to use. Only 45 people starred it at the time of writing this post, out of thousands of users (if not more) on Nexus 4 forums. Everyone knows that screen is less saturated and more natural than AMOLED screens, and most people bought it knowing that. They had 15 days to return the device, and they chose to keep it. It's simply a different technology, with advantages and disadvantages. You can do all the calibration you want, it's not gonna look as saturated as AMOLED screens.
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I find the screen to be completely acceptable, and great to use. Only 45 people starred it at the time of writing this post, out of thousands of users (if not more) on Nexus 4 forums. Everyone knows that screen is less saturated and more natural than AMOLED screens, and most people bought it knowing that. They had 15 days to return the device, and they chose to keep it. It's simply a different technology, with advantages and disadvantages. You can do all the calibration you want, it's not gonna look as saturated as AMOLED screens.
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The screen is WAY off on gamma. It is improperly calibrated. We are not trying to get over saturated colors. Do you understand?
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It's becoming like the 'avforums', where all the boffs with years of audio/visual experience and thousands of pounds of calibrating equipment, give there settings for the 'best' experience with your new £/$1000.00+- set. All discussed in the greatest detail and length.
So you set them, then everyone in the family and friends say over and over "it's too dark" "why's it so dark?" "is there something wrong with it?" ..and so on
eventually you have to agree and whoop up the brightness and contrast and turn the colour down a bit ..that's better
I agree with the original topic .
The screen is inferior .
Coming from a Samsung note to the nexus 4 ....
You can tell its crap and made by lg.
I'm on my second nexus in 3 days ! Lots of build problems
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The screen is great, it looks very sharp, but yes we need some calibration, just a little bit, you can put a O4x side by side with our N4 and see how the colors looks better and the 4x, and yes is the same panel, or maybe the n4 could be better because is newer.
biffsmash said:
No but I'm tired of everyone complaining about something which doesn't exist!
The amount of people moaning about this compared to the amount perfectly happy with their phones backs up the fact that this is complete tosh.
And by that I mean the hundreds in this forum, if it even is that many, compared to the thousands in the forum and the.millions out there completely happy with it including reviews.
I for one love the screen and in every real world test side by side.with other phones that I've carried out proved to me and others that the nexus 4 display is true to life as possible and most other displays are.over saturated and un natural.
Bright cartoonish colours and black crush does not mean a good screen.
If people want to have a mythical non washed out screen get a super amoled display already.
Google should completely ignore bug reports for none bugs such as this and.people shouldn't take up their time with this nonsense.
That's ten minutes i won't get back lol
Flame on!
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The colour sucks on this screen as tested by EVERYONE including review sites and anandtech who tested it.
Its also clear to see when put next to an iphone or normal TV with decent settings.
Im going to the S4 soon as it lands this phone is just a toy to get me by
I don't get why people continuously start new threads about this non-issue. I previously owned a One XL and people praised that screen as one of the best in its time. After comparing the screen of the N4 and HOX, I prefer the screen on the N4 by far (stock colours). The HOX had a yellowish tint and no one complained about it. I guarantee most people who complain about the screen on the N4 don't even own a high quality IPS monitor. And now that we have pretty much full gamma calibration, go calibrate the screen to your liking.
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The colour sucks on this screen as tested by EVERYONE including review sites and anandtech who tested it.
Its also clear to see when put next to an iphone or normal TV with decent settings.
Im going to the S4 soon as it lands this phone is just a toy to get me by
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Ahh, Anandtech and "EVERYONE" has time machines and reviewed the 4.2.2 setup?
It really is a lot better.
If you are rooted there is an app that improves the colors a great deal. Is called Nexus 4 Display Control and kids the app store. The optimum color setting is 238, 228, 240. Hope that helps
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The screen on stock setting is pretty bad when it comes to calibration.... I used Franco's latest kernel and tried a few gamma settings and found one that MADE STOCK COLORS LOOK LIKE CRAP.
after 4.2.2 was released I decided to flash stock image to take the OTA and I just couldn't believe how horrendous the screen looked.
Seriously, I got used to the colors on stock and never thought the were bad until I was able to tweak the gamma settings. The screen looks absolutely beautiful now.
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'Clearer Photos' - written on the side of the box. The biggest hype surrounding the OnePlus 5 has been about the camera. On paper the specs look great, 'benchmark' photos and scores look good too. But in real world usage it's a big Fail. This is why..
All else being equal, more mega pixels means lower quality images. This may be a surprise to some. This is the reason. More pixels on a sensor means each pixel is smaller. Which means over the same time period less light is recorded on each pixel. To solve this problem there are two solutions. 1) Hold the shutter open longer to capture more light. Longer shutter times causes blurring and softness if any movement is present. 2) Increase the amplification from the sensor (ISO). This causes noise and degrades the image. The result is lower quality photos.
So why have a high Megapixel count? Resolution. In the early days of digital photography the low resolution from cameras was a limiting factor and you could easily see the pixels if you zoomed in. 1.3MP for example is 1280x1200 pixels. That's not going to look great on a high resolution screen or blown up. So what about the 20MP sensor in the OnePlus 5? Well that's 3'600x5'400 pixels! This is only useful if you're printing images out in a large poster size. With the tiny sensors in a mobile phone you'll only be able to produce good quality images at this resolution if there's tons of light and the scene is still.
Here's a newsflash for OnePlus: We don't use our mobile phones to take photos of trees in the sun (unless you're a phone reviewer). We use our phones to take photos of family, friends, pets, activities, often inside or at night and other low light scenarios and we post them on Facebook and Instagram.
We need in focus, non blurred, 'Clearer' photos that will mostly be viewed on other phones. This translates to phones with good low light performance with fast auto-focus. We don't need or want 20MP degrading that quality. We also need a better auto-focus system. Have a look at the last couple generations of the Samsung Galaxy to see how it should be done.
This is why the OnePlus 5 camera fails in real life usage and is a disappointment. Please listen OnePlus. Look at what the other manufacturers are doing and get it right on the OnePlus 6.
surprising post perhaps dual camera understanding is requiredbefore writting so much about powerful dual camera phone
Reading this was such a waste of time
Perfect summary of whats going on. Only god knows what was going on in OP's marketeers. "Clearer photos" my ***!
I am so much disappoint!
Edit: The sad thing is that I even think (then again, I'm an idiot..) their strategy can make sense. Yes, they could have put ONE sensor in there that yields better results than the current setup. But having TWO cameras is the new trend and, thus, is way easier to market. Even the new Samsung Note will feature two sensors. So OP had to choose between a better camera and less revenue or a worse camera and more revenue.
Unfortunately they picked the latter.
How many threads are going to be create just to talk about camera ?
As already said in others threads, people expected a perfect DSLR with 40Mpx and a perfect night quality image. Come on are you serious ? This is marketing people, wake up, think with your brain sometime please.
I did not even read OP, such a waste of time to see an other person complaining about the camera.
We know what your are going to do next. RMA and send back the phone. Nice, change phone if you are not happy, but stop pollute this forum with one nth useless thread. Thanks.
casual_kikoo said:
How many threads are going to be create just to talk about camera ?
As already said in others threads, people expected a perfect DSLR with 40Mpx and a perfect night quality image. Come on are you serious ? This is marketing people, wake up, think with your brain sometime please.
I did not even read OP, such a waste of time to see an other person complaining about the camera.
We know what your are going to do next. RMA and send back the phone. Nice, change phone if you are not happy, but stop pollute this forum with one nth useless thread. Thanks.
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Ok, creating an other topic was maybe useless but... The fact is that at the moment, the camera is very disappointing, to say the least. Especially when the device was marketed as the new camera standard, "clearer photos" etc.
I think nobody was expecting a DSLR camera, but maybe more than the overly washed, grainy or over saturated and sharpened shots that it actually produces. C'mon, I upgraded from an old Nexus 5 and expected a dramatic improvement in the camera quality. I am delighted to say this is not the case.
The big question now is : will these issues be software fixable ?
DarkAdrien said:
Ok, creating an other topic was maybe useless but... The fact is that at the moment, the camera is very disappointing, to say the least. Especially when the device was marketed as the new camera standard, "clearer photos" etc.
I think nobody was expecting a DSLR camera, but maybe more than the overly washed, grainy or over saturated and sharpened shots that it actually produces. C'mon, I upgraded from an old Nexus 5 and expected a dramatic improvement in the camera quality. I am delighted to say this is not the case.
The big question now is : will these issues be software fixable ?
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If I'm good, each iteration of OnePlus device get a better camera with software update.
You are probably right but there are things you can accept when you pay 300$ that you can not accept anymore when you pay 550$. Rising the price also means raising the expectations.
Please will people stop making random rant posts and freaking out?!
The phone has been released for a week now and isn't even globally available yet.
There's been 3 software updates already to fix issues.
Just wait about a month and then if it's still crap you can complain.
The problem is that in many countries, you can freely return you device within 14 days after you purchased it. So waiting one Month with nothing but hopes and wishes is a costly option.
djsubterrain said:
Please will people stop making random rant posts and freaking out?!
The phone has been released for a week now and isn't even globally available yet.
There's been 3 software updates already to fix issues.
Just wait about a month and then if it's still crap you can complain.
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A crap phone is a crap phone. There's nothing to suggest the 5 is anything but a middle tier phone with lots of problems. No excuses from One Plus.
Batfink33 said:
A crap phone is a crap phone. There's nothing to suggest the 5 is anything but a middle tier phone with lots of problems. No excuses from One Plus.
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Middle tier...with specs rivalling and surpassing the most expensive phones you can buy.
OK.
Go away.
Batfink33 said:
A crap phone is a crap phone. There's nothing to suggest the 5 is anything but a middle tier phone with lots of problems. No excuses from One Plus.
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Why you have to cry in every single thread, over and over again? Return it and buy a better phone.
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Middle tier...with specs rivalling and surpassing the most expensive phones you can buy.
OK.
Go away.
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Nonsense. A fast SOC and lots of RAM doesn't make up for fake promises of a great camera and lies about benchmarks, poor design, little features etc. Give OP credit when they deserve it and heat when they don't. The OP5 is a big let down, they need to sort themselves out.
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Nonsense. A fast SOC and lots of RAM doesn't make up for fake promises of a great camera and lies about benchmarks, poor design, little features etc. Give OP credit when they deserve it and heat when they don't. The OP5 is a big let down, they need to sort themselves out.
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It's also a week old, are you telling me no other major phone manufacturer has issues when their phones have just been released? There's been plenty of those issues with Samsung, Apple and others.
Even Apple's own depth effect had to have multiple software updates before it worked properly.
bus_ter said:
We don't use our mobile phones to take photos of trees in the sun (unless you're a phone reviewer). We use our phones to take photos of family, friends, pets, activities, often inside or at night and other low light scenarios and we post them on Facebook and Instagram.
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Don't you? We do; mostly pictures taken outside. I guess you need to get a phone which works for you.
thread closed,
Please use this one to discuss the camera issues you are having:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/how-to/camera-thread-t3624645
thanks
Wolf