Hello all,
so I have a op3t with SuperSU. I was wondering when the android P update comes out eventually will I be able to OTA update and keep root, or will I have to reflash SuperSU(Using temp TWRP environment).
bradcubed said:
Hello all,
so I have a op3t with SuperSU. I was wondering when the android P update comes out eventually will I be able to OTA update and keep root, or will I have to reflash SuperSU(Using temp TWRP environment).
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You will definitely have to reflash SuperSU.
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BillGoss said:
You will definitely have to reflash SuperSU.
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What he said. That goes for most updates of most Android devices (need to root again after an update).
Further, a new Android build (particularly a major update, like Oreo to P) will often require updated root methods. Since SuperSU development is basically dead, it may not work on Android P. You may need to move to Magisk root method (not a bad thing).
Best way to apply updates on rooted 3T, is to get it from the following thread and basically follow the install instruction for root users on Post #3 of that same thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/official-oxygenos-5-0-1-android-8-0-t3728119
I would also advise to backup your data before updating, as a clean install (wipe data) is not unheard of (possibly even recommended), when installing major updates.
Note that failure to flash Magisk/SuperSU after applying the update, will not only cause you to lose root, but also lose TWRP (will be overwritten by stock recovery if you reboot before flashing a root file or alternately a modified kernel).
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Hi,
So i have a Moto G 2 XT-1068 with Android 5.0.2 and system version 22.21.28.titan_retaildsds.retaildsdsall.ex.03 reteu.
I rooted it and installed Xposed.
Since some days, my phone notify me that there is a new (official) update avalaible :
22.56.3.en.03
My first reflex was to post in the Xposed forum :
I have a Motorola Moto G 2nd edition (2014 XT-1068) with Android 5.0.2 and these xposed versions installed :
XposedInstaller_3.0_alpha4.apk
xposed-v75-sdk21-arm-1
This morning, my phone notify me that there is a newsoftware update available :
22.56.3.en.03
Can i update ?
Will Xposed still running or do i have anything to do before or after update ?
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then :
Yes i'm rooted (i didn't know i could install exposed without root ?!) and i ask the question to rooted users : what is the recommended behavior to have when we are rooted and there is an official update like this one ? Should i ignore it ? Should i wait ? Should i update (with one of your solutions) ?
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and this is the reply i had :
You'll have to ask how an OTA works for that in your device forum.
For Google Android (untouched by OEM) in Kitkat, OTA used to check each important file individually and if one was modified, OTA would fail. This did not check all existing files or added files such as root, so as long as you uninstalled Xposed properly (restoring the original app_process files etc) then an OTA would be fine.
Since Lollipop, OTA checks the /system partition as a single item so any modification in any file, or any additional file will make the OTA fail. In which case, the only way to update would be to flash a stock ROM.
You will need to find out in your device forum which of these applies to your device.
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So this is it, i make a post in this Moto G 2014 forum
Doing the OTA will most likely delete the XposedBridge.jar so you will have to flash it again.
Else the Xposed app will still be available but the Framework won't be installed.
If it doesn't update because the /system partition has been modified, you'll have to flash the whole rom to update.
Ok, so i can try without risk ?
And what about my root ?
nonobio said:
Ok, so i can try without risk ?
And what about my root ?
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Root will be gone too. You'll have to root it again by flashing SuperSu Zip though a custom recovery. (TWRP)
Restore the nandroid backup of the stock system you made in TWRP before you rooted.
You also need the stock recovery for the OTA to install.
You made a backup of your system before you rooted, right?
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TheKill69 said:
Root will be gone too. You'll have to root it again by flashing SuperSu Zip though a custom recovery. (TWRP)
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Ok.
Seriously said:
Restore the nandroid backup of the stock system you made in TWRP before you rooted.
You also need the stock recovery for the OTA to install.
You made a backup of your system before you rooted, right?
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I'm note sure i made a backup before i rooted cause i'm note sure i knew i could install recovery without root but i checked my backup plan and my oldest backup is post root
So, what do you recommand when there is OTA like this ? Should i ignore them ?
It seems to be a hard process (flash stock recovery and root again and not sure if it will be possible anyway, is it ?) for maybe a little update ?
Maybe i should wait for the next big OTA like Android 6, then be sure that a new rooting process exist before update, and also be sure that Xposed will be supported ?
So if i ignore this 22.56.3.en.03, will i be notifyed for others newer OTA (like Android 6 for instance) ?
Thanks
nonobio said:
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Ok.
I'm note sure i made a backup before i rooted cause i'm note sure i knew i could install recovery without root but i checked my backup plan and my oldest backup is post root
So, what do you recommand when there is OTA like this ? Should i ignore them ?
It seems to be a hard process (flash stock recovery and root again and not sure if it will be possible anyway, is it ?) for maybe a little update ?
Maybe i should wait for the next big OTA like Android 6, then be sure that a new rooting process exist before update, and also be sure that Xposed will be supported ?
So if i ignore this 22.56.3.en.03, will i be notifyed for others newer OTA (like Android 6 for instance) ?
Thanks
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You might have to flash the whole stock firmware back to get the stock recovery. Big waste of time.
Then rooting back means using CF Auto Root Commands again..
You have to update to it though if you want Android 6.0.
Since it won't be soon, you rather go for CM13 once it gets really stable.
Also by the way, Xposed is already supported on MM.
Thanks for these precisions.
So if i can resume : a custom rom is easier for enjoy Android updates than just Xposed.
Hi,
Can you confirm :
For someone searching advanced features like customize status bar, quick settings, shutdown menu, hardware buttons, etc : customs roms and "stock rom + exposed" are two solutions. BUT, for someone searching these same advanced features but also keep his device up to date : custom rom is really a better solution. Isn't?
I was happy when i discovered xposed as it seemed to be a easier process that flashing a custom rom, but i didn't know that i couldn't update easily..
So, what is the advantage to use xposed instead of custom rom?
Hi,
I am always thinking if i will update my stock rooted xposed rom, or if i will install a custom rom prerooted like Cyanogen mod (o have easier future updates).
i have some questions :
1- Is it possible to install xposed and modules on a custom rom like cyanogen mod ? I think yes but can you confirm ?
I know that CM come with inbuilt tweaks but i discover some great xposed module i would continue to use, even if i install CM.
2-If i keep my stock rooted xposed rom, and don't make this "little" Android 5 OTA update, will be i notified for "Android 6" ?
(i don't want to lose my time to reflash my rom, reroot mydevice, etc.., just for a little update, but i could do that for a more important update like Android 6...
3- We are agree that if i flash a custom rom like CM, it will resolve my "ota update" problem, cause there won't be "Motorola OTA" anymore, but there will be CM updates easy to make, isn't ? If yes, what could be the advantage to use stock rom rooted + xposed vs custom rom + xposed ?
Thanks
folks - i'm on 6.0.1 stock and rooted. Google pushed down the 8/29 update - if I install it, will I lose root
thanks
sam008 said:
folks - i'm on 6.0.1 stock and rooted. Google pushed down the 8/29 update - if I install it, will I lose root
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The update will fail on rooted device.
And if you install it manually you'll lose root. I've been using the full OTA for the past couple of months:
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota#shamu
It's very simple - instructions on that page - and doesn't touch your data, so it's a seamless upgrade. When it's complete, you can then flash TWRP and use it to reinstall SuperSU. 20 minutes end-to-end.
(And what's the "8/29 update"? Do you mean MOB30W, which has been out for a week or more?)
hiya, i'm on stock 6.0.1 rooted w/ twrp recovery. i haven't updated my system since MMB29S.
my question is can i jump to MOB30W instead of all the steps in between. if i can, can i flash the OTA update instead of the full image?
thanks
Yes to both. You'll need to reinstall TWRP and reroot.
i got root and i want update via oxygen updater, my question is if after the update the app un-root my phone and i need to root again?
Yes, OTA updates will unroot the phone, and also replace TWRP with stock recovery (unless you take actions otherwise).
My recommendation: You can just download the "full update" zip, flash in TWRP, then root with SuperSU/Magisk before rebooting. This will not only root the phone again, but also keep TWRP on the phone. You can find the full update file, and instructions here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/official-oxygenos-5-0-1-android-8-0-t3728119
Also note, that if you are going to Oreo (which is assumed) and presently on Nougat, you will need a TWRP version which supports Oreo. Updated (supports Oreo) version of SuperSU or Magisk is also required.
Don't see a point in using "Oxygen Updater", when there are better means for root users. In fact, I've never used or even heard of "Oxygen Updater" before reading your post! And I had to Google it, to see what it even was!
I need to get something straight, as I didn't quite get it. So the options for someone who'd like to root his S10 are 3:
1) Rooting with Topjohnwu method: This will get you root on the stock rom, but will keep the default recovery which is pretty much useless if one wanted to flash a custom rom.
2) Rooting with a prepatched version of TWRP and then, if desired, flash any custom rom (compatible with the TWRP version installed). This method is said to be less stable that the previous one.
3) Install TWRP after rooting with john wu method and then using it to flash custom rom.
First of all, is all this correct?
If so, then one has to choose between rooting safely, but keeping his phone stock, or rooting and then installing twrp and then flash whatever he desires.
Hopefully, somebody will be so kind to clarify this that is an unusually complicated situation about rooting this phone! I already regret passing my perfectly rooted S9 to my son
Thanks for whatever help you'll be willing to provide.
Cheers
I would say you summoned it up nicely.
The advantage of stock Magisk root is you can e.g. use Substratum, Magisk modules and update monthly security releases by yourself but, of course, no Custom ROMs.
The advantage of TWRP Magisk root is clearly the Custom ROM possibility but here you cannot update the monthly security releases by yourself and are dependent on the ROM creator to release the security updates.
I had been using Topjohnwu Magisk root on stock rom since released mainly to use Substratum/ some Magisk Modules and did the AP-patching everytime the monthly security was released.
However, doing the November security AP-patching something went wrong and I ended in boot-loop. So thought, as I had to reflash anyway I would try TWRP/ Custom ROM - I went with yash92Duster's lightrom / geiti94's magisk TWRP both which I find very stable.
Norup58 said:
I would say you summoned it up nicely.
The advantage of stock Magisk root is you can e.g. use Substratum, Magisk modules and update monthly security releases by yourself but, of course, no Custom ROMs.
The advantage of TWRP Magisk root is clearly the Custom ROM possibility but here you cannot update the monthly security releases by yourself and are dependent on the ROM creator to release the security updates.
I had been using Topjohnwu Magisk root on stock rom since released mainly to use Substratum/ some Magisk Modules and did the AP-patching everytime the monthly security was released.
However, doing the November security AP-patching something went wrong and I ended in boot-loop. So thought, as I had to reflash anyway I would try TWRP/ Custom ROM - I went with yash92Duster's lightrom / geiti94's magisk TWRP both which I find very stable.
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One more doubt, if I may ask : once rooted the safe way, if I wanted to install twrp I would need to find the build that is compatible with the already patched firmware on my phone? And then only the roms that are exactly for the same build?
This is the most complicated rooting process that I have ever faced. And I've been rooting my phones and tablets since a very long time
Thanks
I rooted my phone with Magisk using the Magisk image patching method so now my phone is everything stock + magisk root (no custom kernel or recovery) and a few root applications/modules such as Vanced, ViperFX and adAway.
Oddly enough, I have received a push notification from Samsung about the availability of the Android 11 update. But I don't feel safe to OTA update my phone because of root. So is there any way I can update it without losing any data and without losing root?
Thanks in advance!
Yes, I am looking for that also.
Any one?????
First, you never should update when you are rooted. It may soft-brick your device. And also, if you are looking to root after OTA update, the best thing you can do is downloading the stock firmware and flashing it through ODIN. Then, you can patch Magisk. I don't know if you will lose data, but I recommend you to backup your files.