Possible from samsung galaxy s10 exynos
also has dual gps.
GPS with aGPS, GLONASS, BeiDou,QZSS,Galileo, Dual-frequency GNSS
https://www.yugatech.com/mobile/sams...ats-different/
Anybody see the Snapdragon GPS specs yet? Hopefully dual-frequency with BCM47755 (or something else in that family that supports dual freqs...not sure if it was ever positively determines if all the chips in the family support dual frequency or not)...
AND, if so, hopefully it's enabled in the code!!!!
The Exynos GPS chip for the S10 has been discovered.... the same Broadcom BCM47752 that was in the S9. There is still no definitive info (that I know of, anyway) that tells whether the 47752 received dual band L1/L5 signals like the 47755. The Broadcom spec is ambiguous- the 4775x family paper talks about the 47755 and the 47758 having L1/L2, but has no such blurbs about the 47752/47754. In fact, it has no blurbs on them at all. Attempts to enable lane-level L1/L5 accuracy in the S9 have also not been successful as far as I am aware.
Of course this is NOT the Snapdragon spec I'm seeking- hopefully that will come in the next few days as US customers started to received their pre-orders.
Snapdragon Galaxy S10
I have received my Snapdragon Galaxy S10 and have installed GPS Test on it and only see L1 frequencies being used
djg8544 said:
I have received my Snapdragon Galaxy S10 and have installed GPS Test on it and only see L1 frequencies being used
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Version with snapdragon 855 in hong kong
it shows l5 or has dual gps.
In turn, huawei mate 20 / mate 20 pro
also has dual gps.
Only in applications you can not see l5.
And what's strange in gps 20 tests
represents great as the best
smartphone gps.
It shows the signal where other smartphones are
have a problem.
As if. not fully. he had a dual gps.
But it detects. faster. satellite. than other phones.
By comparison to professional devices, this is a top scorer.
It follows from mate 20 in some way
uses dual gps despite the applications
they do not show l5.
US?
Are you in the US and what carrier? BTW do you see Galileo satellites?
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I have received my Snapdragon Galaxy S10 and have installed GPS Test on it and only see L1 frequencies being used
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S10 GPS
BillBelvin said:
Are you in the US and what carrier? BTW do you see Galileo satellites?
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I use ATT and I do see Galileo satellites using E1 frequency through GPS Test
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I use ATT and I do see Galileo satellites using E1 frequency through GPS Test
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I am located in DFW area here is a screenshot of GPS Test
https://imgur.com/vPBb6A7
Anybody else could understand which version of s10 can receive dual frequency GPS?
Thx
In what appears to be a reversal of expectations, the SnapDragon S10 (at least the Hong Kong Version- I would expect the U.S. and other SnapDragon devices to be the same) IS receiving L1 and L5 signals!! Nobody has tested accuracy in any app yet (as far as I know) to see if we are at the promised 30cm granularity. The Exynos version hasn't show L5 yet, based on the sample size of 1.
The author of the GPSTEST app has a great write up on all of this and keeps it updated as users supply their testing results. I highly recommend you check it out (and run GPSTEST and send him the results if you have an S10!)
https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c
[email protected] said:
In what appears to be a reversal of expectations, the SnapDragon S10 (at least the Hong Kong Version- I would expect the U.S. and other SnapDragon devices to be the same) IS receiving L1 and L5 signals!! Nobody has tested accuracy in any app yet (as far as I know) to see if we are at the promised 30cm granularity. The Exynos version hasn't show L5 yet, based on the sample size of 1.
The author of the GPSTEST app has a great write up on all of this and keeps it updated as users supply their testing results. I highly recommend you check it out (and run GPSTEST and send him the results if you have an S10!)
https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c
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Thanks, I don't have s10, yet. I'm waiting and searching to choose which version to buy, and double frq gnss is one of the most important spec I'm looking for...
mains75 said:
Thanks, I don't have s10, yet. I'm waiting and searching to choose which version to buy, and double frq gnss is one of the most important spec I'm looking for...
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you want to pay 1000$ for model S10, just to see on the screen with GPSTest app the font charters of L1 or L5? Something else maybe ?
No, I want to pay for dual freq GPS implemented in the apps that give ~30cm accuracy.
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No, I want to pay for dual freq GPS implemented in the apps that give ~30cm accuracy.
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now we can talk ...
into the smartphone market, there are for now, 3 chips to support dual band GNSS.
- Broadcom 47755
- Kirin 980
- Snapdragon 855
all we have proofs, using app like GPSTest for dual band support, but ... no measurements for cm accuracy from customers - users
USA Navstar (GPS) satellites with L5 freq. is under development until 2022. Only the L2 freq. is working a lot of years ago. So, if anyone want "cm accuracy" , can not rely on devices with L5 singals for now. Into the new future I believe everything will OK.
something else. Do you have hear about "Galileo 1 meter accuracy" ??? Is there any evidence about that also?
My opinion is "don't buy products before there are real measurements" from review sites or youtube channels. Unless, you have the spare money to do this job for the rest of us.
lneam said:
you want to pay 1000$ for model S10, just to see on the screen with GPSTest app the font charters of L1 or L5? Something else maybe ?
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Of course I want double freq to have Gps fix and good accuracy not just to say I have it... I'm not stupid...
P30 and P30 pro has dual gps,
S10e 9700 has dual gps.
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S10e 9700 has dual gps.
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Yes, currently the China versions of the S10 are the only ones proven to have dual GPS reception. I reckon it's just a firmware/software thing and hopefully Sammy will roll this out to the S10 units in the rest of the world.
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Yes, currently the China versions of the S10 are the only ones proven to have dual GPS reception. I reckon it's just a firmware/software thing and hopefully Sammy will roll this out to the S10 units in the rest of the world.
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I think the dual gps is an snapdragon 855 feature, so enyxos user will be out of luck tho.
I think that the snapdragon 855 has only dual gps.
In the softy, the Chinese market is now
I think you just need to root your s10
and copy the gps xml file from the Chinese market soft.
This option is only for s10 with snapdragon 855,
Exynos is not really dual gps,
just like it was from s9.
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I think the dual gps is an snapdragon 855 feature, so enyxos user will be out of luck tho.
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China/HK uses the SnapDragon 855. The Exynos models has an external GNSS chip- Broadcom 47752. It is still undetermined if that chip does dual frequency, although others in the 4775x family do.
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kriss3 said:
I think that the snapdragon 855 has only dual gps.
In the softy, the Chinese market is now
I think you just need to root your s10
and copy the gps xml file from the Chinese market soft.
This option is only for s10 with snapdragon 855,
Exynos is not really dual gps,
just like it was from s9.
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I won't be the first to try it , but if other root an S10 and can get dual freq GNSS to work (and find that apps actually achieve the 30cm resolution) then I'll give it a try!
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I was quite surprised to learn that the Tab S series of tablets ships with the aging Snapdragon 800. I find it's a bit out of place on a tablet where all other specs are top notch. The reviews I read specifically say the tabet can be sluggish at times when more CPU power is required.
I guess I hold out on my upgrade a bit longer then...
rodrigorajao said:
I was quite surprised to learn that the Tab S series of tablets ships with the aging Snapdragon 800. I find it's a bit out of place on a tablet where all other specs are top notch. The reviews I read specifically say the tabet can be sluggish at times when more CPU power is required.
I guess I hold out on my upgrade a bit longer then...
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Only the LTE versions come with the Snapdragon 800. Wi-fi gets the Exynos 5420.
how is the 5420 ?
I'm kind of disappointed the UK versions have the 5420 - I find my Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3 phone super quick
is the 5420 just as snappy ? Looks such a good screen on the 8.4 and 10.5 Tab S
Buckster76 said:
how is the 5420 ?
I'm kind of disappointed the UK versions have the 5420 - I find my Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3 phone super quick
is the 5420 just as snappy ? Looks such a good screen on the 8.4 and 10.5 Tab S
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Reviewers are saying the 5420 wi-fi versions are noticeably faster than the 800 in the LTE. I believe benchmarks show the same.
The 5420 is amazing. Uses all 8 cores at the same time if needed now. They fixed the memory dump issue found in the previous iteration as well.
The only thing I'm bummed about, is the 5433 ( coming out soon)destroys Snapdragon's 805 SoC .... In benchmarks. I wish that processor was in the new Samsung flagship device. Ugh.
According to all the reviews I have read the opposite is true and they are recommending the processor in
the LTE version as the faster of the two.
I have to run to work but quick google search..Engadget ( which I hate) has this to say..
"If it's any consolation, the as-yet-unreleased LTE models are supposed to use a Snapdragon 800 chip instead of the Exynos 5, so maybe performance will be snappier there."
Snapdragon seems to get the most development too.
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According to all the reviews I have read the opposite is true and they are recommending the processor in
the LTE version as the faster of the two.
I have to run to work but quick google search..Engadget ( which I hate) has this to say..
"If it's any consolation, the as-yet-unreleased LTE models are supposed to use a Snapdragon 800 chip instead of the Exynos 5, so maybe performance will be snappier there."
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Anandtech clearly said Samsung made a poor choice with Exynos. They should have gone 801 or 805.
oh well - and 16gb too for UK version - grrrr
still prob going to get one though
maybe it will handle streaming video better than the Snapdragon (well the implementation of it on the Note 3) - after lots of updates, I still can't get smooth streamed video on my Note 3 - youtube, netflix, Sky, Iplayer etc - yet download to phone first (latter 2) - or play local content and smooth as silk
There probably won't be a 32gb version. Samsung said there'd be a 32gb 8.4 pro and there never was.
I can confirm there are LTE versions with Exynos processor, at least mine is so, bought in Spain (10.5"). I could change it for a snapdragon version though, but I'm not sure if it is worth it.
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I can confirm there are LTE versions with Exynos processor, at least mine is so, bought in Spain (10.5"). I could change it for a snapdragon version though, but I'm not sure if it is worth it.
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Thanks for your confirmation arbiskar.
It was rumoured the Tab S would be 5420 for WiFi, and 5420 + Intel LTE Modem for LTE models, that seems to coincide with the reports such as yours, that the LTE models is Exynos based only.
I doubt that Snapdragon based LTE models of the Tab S exist, if the LTE model you purchased is 5420, I'm going to assume they all will be...
Model numbers other than the T700, T705, T800 and T805 would need to exist for Snapdragon variants, so I don't believe we will see Qualcomm chips in any of the Tab S models.
Thanks.
Hi,
I ordered a LTE Tab S, in germany it will release on friday the 11 July. Before I ordered I thought all versions will have the Exynos 5 Octa and perhaps an optional LTE Modem. After my order I saw that the LTE version will be a QSD 800
Now you say thete will be LTE and Octa. Is it real? Do you know what version Samsung will sell in germay? I think I have to wait a few weeks before I get my tab S because I bought it with a LTE Contract and the Provider cant give me an info when they get the hardware from Samsung.
Now I don`t know if I should cancel the order and buy me a wifi version because the octa is better or will the QSD 800 ok too?
Svendrae said:
Hi,
I ordered a LTE Tab S, in germany it will release on friday the 11 July. Before I ordered I thought all versions will have the Exynos 5 Octa and perhaps an optional LTE Modem. After my order I saw that the LTE version will be a QSD 800
Now you say thete will be LTE and Octa. Is it real? Do you know what version Samsung will sell in germay? I think I have to wait a few weeks before I get my tab S because I bought it with a LTE Contract and the Provider cant give me an info when they get the hardware from Samsung.
Now I don`t know if I should cancel the order and buy me a wifi version because the octa is better or will the QSD 800 ok too?
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The sd800 is slightly better than the octacore, so I wouldn't worry.
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is it confirmed the LTE version in US is also Exynos processor instead of snapdragon 800? Thanks
rankman2004 said:
is it confirmed the LTE version in US is also Exynos processor instead of snapdragon 800? Thanks
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No. Lte is Snapdragon only. Samsung only announced today a new exynos processor with Lte for future products.
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simacca said:
No. Lte is Snapdragon only. Samsung only announced today a new exynos processor with Lte for future products.
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
They announced a new Exynos processor with LTE integrated for future products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a LTE chip in addition to the Exynos SOC in the Tab S LTE versions.
It would be nice if someone could confirm.
I'm also waiting to see if there will be a 32GB.. and which version to get
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
They announced a new Exynos processor with LTE integrated for future products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a LTE chip in addition to the Exynos SOC in the Tab S LTE versions.
It would be nice if someone could confirm.
I'm also waiting to see if there will be a 32GB.. and which version to get
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Would like to see some proof of that. Check out link below.
http://www.gsmarena.com/exynos_modap_is_first_samsung_chipset_with_integrated_lte-news-9006.php
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
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Someone from Spain said s/he has an Exynos/LTE device. The Spain Samsung site also has the LTE version listed as Exynos.
The announcement yesterday was for a quad-core chip with integrated LTE, not the 5433 next-gen big.LITTLE chip everyone was expecting. Without knowing the GPU of the chip announced yesterday it's hard to say where in the fold it fits (high-end, low-end). There's nothing that's ever prevented Samsung from using Exynos with a stand-alone modem it's just that S-800 with its integrated modem is cheaper. Maybe that's what they're doing in Spain. That or it's a typo and the aforementioned owner "thinks" s/he has Exynos LTE. Everything I've read indicates the S' are using the same S-800/5420 architecture of all Samsung's previously released high-end tablets. So I'm going with typo until someone posts a CPU-Z (available in Play) read out which will say specifically what chip a device is using.
We know there are S-800 SM-T805's because reviewers have tested them. It would be extremely odd that Samsung would give the same model number (Spain's SM-T805 also) to two devices with totally different architectures. They never have before. At a minimum they'd append a letter to it (EG: the N10.1-14 LTE with 700MHz bands sold in Latin America is the "P-SM605M."
As for S-800 being long in tooth, it's not really. The CPU is more than adequate for the workload. Here's a slide from Qualcomm saying 85% of apps don't use two cores better yet four. And the majority of apps never leave the A7 core on 5420.
The challenge is the enormous amount of pixels being pushed on large QHD tablet displays. S-801 uses Adreno 330 just like S-800 so until some SoC with a more powerful GPU is released (released = shipped in a production product) Adreno/Mali is the best we've got and the differences between them performance wise aren't that significant (Mali's about 10% weaker than Adreno when maxed out).
New member here.
Received today my Tab S 8.4 LTE (SM-T705) sold here in Finland. And it is indeed an Exynos 5420.
I don't have a Micro-SIM card for it yet, but it certainly is the LTE version. Does someone know how to check the LTE chip version?
Took captures with CPU Z, but I can't apparently post outside links yet. See them here: pentsin.portaali.org/samsung/ along a photo of the box also claiming 1.9GHz Quad-Core + 1.3GHz Quad-Core.
BarryH_GEG said:
Someone from Spain said s/he has an Exynos/LTE device. The Spain Samsung site also has the LTE version listed as Exynos.
The announcement yesterday was for a quad-core chip with integrated LTE, not the 5433 next-gen big.LITTLE chip everyone was expecting. Without knowing the GPU of the chip announced yesterday it's hard to say where in the fold it fits (high-end, low-end). There's nothing that's ever prevented Samsung from using Exynos with a stand-alone modem it's just that S-800 with its integrated modem is cheaper. Maybe that's what they're doing in Spain. That or it's a typo and the aforementioned owner "thinks" s/he has Exynos LTE. Everything I've read indicates the S' are using the same S-800/5420 architecture of all Samsung's previously released high-end tablets. So I'm going with typo until someone posts a CPU-Z (available in Play) read out which will say specifically what chip a device is using.
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Hello everyone,
I was so pumped to get the Note 4 and I even pre ordered one. The problem is when I found that my country will get the Snapdragon version. After looking all over the web its clear that the Exynos 5433 is a winner this time and it beats the SC805 by a noticeable score in benchmarks.
Now you might say that benchmarks means nothing and it won't matter BUT the Exynos is 20nm 64bit processor. This mean it will be better when Android L comes out which will support the 64bit. Also since its coming with 20nm vs the 28nm from Snapdragon, it should run efficiently and produce less heat from gaming and heavy use.
What is your thought?
Exynos 5433-powered Samsung Galaxy Note 4 benchmarked - GSMArena.com news
samsung SM-N910F vs samsung SM-N910C - Geekbench Browser
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Exynos has big.LITTLE, you should read about it
cillerbee said:
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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Exynos has big.LITTLE, you should read about it
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what do you mean by big, little ?!
No, i would be happy with either of the two. I would prefer Exynos maybe, because i am using Exynos Tab S 8.4 and all my previous Galaxy phones were Snapdragons. BUT difference is not that big and i am sure that both work the same.
Today I saw it in my carrier's site and for first time they will sell Exynos model.. All Notes before were Snapdragon in Bulgaria.. And I was sceptical about it.. Then I read here what's better, and most people say Exynos is better and the camera is with better sensor.. Hope they are right.
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what do you mean by big, little ?!
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The Octacore version has 2 different clusters, one with 4 cores Cortex A53 which are very efficency and the other has 4 cores Cortex A57 which are very powerfull but use a lot of power, so depending on the load in the CPU it will use a combination of them to be the most balance as possible.
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The Octacore version has 2 different clusters, one with 4 cores Cortex A53 which are very efficency and the other has 4 cores Cortex A57 which are very powerfull but use a lot of power, so depending on the load in the CPU it will use a combination of them to be the most balance as possible.
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I see now. I thought all of the 8 cores work at the sametime.
Thanks
Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Exynos and LTE 800 are you sure? I've been searching the web to find any information about a Note 4 Exynos that has 4G LTE 800 Mhz and I can't find anything!
How are you so sure your model supports it? And what is the model number do you know?
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what do you mean by big, little ?!
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big.LITTLE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
Apple supposedly uses it with their current SoC's.
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Exynos and LTE 800 are you sure? I've been searching the web to find any information about a Note 4 Exynos that has 4G LTE 800 Mhz and I can't find anything!
How are you so sure your model supports it? And what is the model number do you know?
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I think he meant 1800?
Would be very interesting to find an Exynos with 800+2600 Bands.
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Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Would you mind taking a screenshot of the back of your Note 4 box and also which Qatar network carrier you with?
Wow thanks everyone I'm glad i made this thread. I was following some Amazon review who mentioned that he received the SM-N910U version and he listed wrong Lte bands that support it. Which he edited just now.
Also this website
http://www.atgsm.com/mobile/Product.aspx?id=2948
Which doesnt seems to be accurate after i tried to match the info with other websites with no luck.
I was looking at the International version which is SM-N910U but it doesn't look like it support 800/2600.
I'm very sorry guys for confusing you all.
Regards
Yathani
I take Exynos this time...and i am very happy with it...!!!!
jpbl1976 said:
big.LITTLE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
Apple supposedly uses it with their current SoC's.
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Apple doesn't use big.LITTLE.
Yathani said:
I see now. I thought all of the 8 cores work at the sametime.
Thanks
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They sometimes do.
http://www.mobileshop.eu/phablets/samsung/galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u/
Another website that say the SM-N910U comes with 800/2600 lte
Yathani said:
http://www.mobileshop.eu/phablets/samsung/galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u/
Another website that say the SM-N910U comes with 800/2600 lte
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They are wrong, if you check in website of Samsung in Hong Kong where they are selling the N910U, in the specs it miss LTE on 800.
I personally am leaning towards sd805 because of more xda support. Otherwise both models are good ( don't forget to check LTE for your region)
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They are wrong, if you check in website of Samsung in Hong Kong where they are selling the N910U, in the specs it miss LTE on 800.
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I only care about is 700mhz, so I bought 910U coz later on Australia will start use 700mhz for high speed network...
After being disappointed with a locked bootloader on my AT&T Note 3, I decided to not make the same mistake again. With Android L coming out with 64bit CPU support and with 20nm die size it looks Exynos is the winner. Yes, Snapdragon was more popular before, but I'm pretty sure 64bit will be the hot topic with Note 4 development.
So what you came here to see. I found this wiki page detailing all the bands and processor information for different devices:
http://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/삼성_갤럭시_노트_4
It shows bands 4 and 17 (among others). Now, that wasn't enough proof for me so I started searching some more and got the FCC data for N910C.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=544347&fcc_id=A3LSMN910C
You can check out LTE Test Reports 1 and 2. It shows LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17 on the first report. The second is just more technical data.
I didn't see anything about band 12. Sorry T-Mobile users.
If anybody finds any information about purchasing one, please share.
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.)
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
LTE on Exynos for AT&T in the US has been a sticking point for me, I will be following this thread with great interest, thanks.
Why don't just go for N910U ?
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
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Lodix said:
Why don't just go for N910U ?
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No support for band 17 (700mhz).
arjun90 said:
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
The FCC states tests were conducted on a pre-production unit with the 910C being the Base Model. I really do hope the 910C is an international LTE Unlocked Variant similar to the 910F; otherwise, the 910F would have to do.
The 910C contains the latest Wolfson DAC.
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No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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You're right; Samsung intended the latest Exynos model to be half-baked with no support for the 64-bit architecture. The same applies to Dell's Venue 8 Pro Windows tablet, which contains a 64-bit CPU, but OS is strictly 32-bit. Petition anyone?
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You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE"]samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
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No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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It supports band 700.
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
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But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
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It supports band 700.
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
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well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
Samsung Malaysia will release the SM-910C model this 17th Oct....initially I was going to wait for the 910F variant from europe or middle east..due to lte bands i needed most. Thanks to this thread I can now go home and do some shopping...thanks
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It says it supports band 700 but in B28, I guess it is not the same.
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well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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And don't forget, general message to all: Andrei has a campaign (below) to get him a -C Exynos to develop Perseus. If Perseus has worked as well for you as it has for me in the past, please consider donating, and we'll get Perseus going for Note 4 Exynos as well.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device/x/8868000
Don't all the Exynos ones have the Wolfson DAC?
Sure your right the 20nm CPU should be easier on the batter and the Wolfson DAC is slightly better I think. I'm looking at an SM-910U from Hong Kong.
arjun90 said:
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Custom ROMs are just repackaged stock ROMS nowadays with minor changes here and there, anything you really want to do to it from a modification standpoint can be done with Xposed. Kernel development is where it is at, and frankly, there isn't a single kernel in Snapdragon land that comes close to touching Perseus for Exynos.
If someone could help me find out if its possible to pre-order or buy the s10 International (Exynos) variants from USA. Thanks
I think Bestbuy will be the best place to look.
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Here's the info about usa Pre order and trade in.
Tried to pre order from the UK site, and they wont ship to the US. Not sure which version the unlocked version will be - they dont post model numbers... following for sure.
Clove.co.uk
As above, Clove offer delivery to the U.S
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If someone could help me find out if its possible to pre-order or buy the s10 International (Exynos) variants from USA. Thanks
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus/192828272845
I bought from them multiple times before, they are trustable
Thanks for the tip. Gonna pull the trigger on this. Really wanted prism green. Just need to get cracking on getting S-Pay to work on it.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus/192828272845
I bought from them multiple times before, they are trustable
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I pulled the trigger on the Prism Green S10+ (G975F/DS) from them on Thursday. Looks like it is shipping out on Monday (I thought it might be last Friday) since they claimed it was in stock. I've bought a few phones from them before and they've always delivered so am hoping that they come through!
Reading on down that Ebay listing I see one thing in the specs that has me wondering.
"OS Android 9.0 (Pie); One UI
ChipsetExynos 9820 Octa (8 nm) - EMEA
Qualcomm SDM855 Snapdragon 855 (7 nm) - USA/LATAM, China"
That doesn't mean that they will ship a Snapdragon model to the US does it bacause it sure reads that way unless that's just a copy/paste of Samsung's specs.
You're reading too much into it. It's just a copy paste.
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You're reading too much into it. It's just a copy paste.
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When buying crap off Ebay, I never read too much into it.
Sorry for the bit off topic question but why would you even want the Exynos version? AFAIK the 855 beats the 9820 benchmark wise. The only reason I see to get the Exynos version is its 8K video recording potential (if we can hack it to work).
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Sorry for the bit off topic question but why would you even want the Exynos version? AFAIK the 855 beats the 9820 benchmark wise. The only reason I see to get the Exynos version is its 8K video recording potential (if we can hack it to work).
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That's not really true from what I have seen, the Exynos beats out the Snapdragon in both single core & multicore, correct me if I'm wrong......
Tel864 said:
Reading on down that Ebay listing I see one thing in the specs that has me wondering.
"OS Android 9.0 (Pie); One UI
ChipsetExynos 9820 Octa (8 nm) - EMEA
Qualcomm SDM855 Snapdragon 855 (7 nm) - USA/LATAM, China"
That doesn't mean that they will ship a Snapdragon model to the US does it bacause it sure reads that way unless that's just a copy/paste of Samsung's specs.
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Its the dual-sim version and only Exynos have dual SIM versions
Duncan1982 said:
That's not really true from what I have seen, the Exynos beats out the Snapdragon in both single core & multicore, correct me if I'm wrong......
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Here you go: https://www.bgr.in/news/samsung-gal...nchmark-scores-revealed-march-8-india-launch/
CroGamer1 said:
Sorry for the bit off topic question but why would you even want the Exynos version? AFAIK the 855 beats the 9820 benchmark wise. The only reason I see to get the Exynos version is its 8K video recording potential (if we can hack it to work).
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If Samsung's history with the past several S models remains the same, the Exynos version will have a fully unlocked bootloader, while the USA 855 models will be fully locked down.
hella356 said:
If Samsung's history with the past several S models remains the same, the Exynos version will have a fully unlocked bootloader, while the USA 855 models will be fully locked down.
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You have a point there, but there is a possibility of network incompatibilities with US carriers. I heard that some T-Mobile bands are unsupported.
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You have a point there, but there is a possibility of network incompatibilities with US carriers. I heard that some T-Mobile bands are unsupported.
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True, band 71 & carrier aggragation & some calling features & warranty if unlocked...
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You have a point there, but there is a possibility of network incompatibilities with US carriers. I heard that some T-Mobile bands are unsupported.
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I can't speak to the S10 models, but I have both a T-Mobile (Qualcomm) and international (Exyonos) S7. I've never seen a difference in connectivity or download speeds between the two of them. I'm guessing the situation will be similar with the S10, but only time will tell. The reality for me is that the current speed and quality of connection I get is terrific, and I'd assume that either S10 version will at least equal and probably better what I'm getting now. Our needs all vary, of course, but I'll sacrifice some download speed (if that even ends up being the case) for an unlocked bootloader every time.
Hello,
I've read on a russian website that all unlocked S10 in USA & Canada (Snapdragon) will have FM Radio (via NextRadio App I suppose). Hope this is true.
Any clue for European versions with Exynos chip ?
Pops
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Hello,
I've read on a russian website that all unlocked S10 in USA & Canada (Snapdragon) will have FM Radio (via NextRadio App I suppose). Hope this is true.
Any clue for European versions with Exynos chip ?
Pops
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I bought unlocked 10e north am snapdragon. It didn't come with fm radio apps. I had no idea. Plugged in headphones and downloaded nextradio. It has very good fm radio or at least the sound and reception is very good.
I tried it on mine with Exynos and NextRadio app:
"NextRadio won't work on your device"
As far as I know no Exynos device had FM functionality in the last years.
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I bought unlocked 10e north am snapdragon. It didn't come with fm radio apps. I had no idea. Plugged in headphones and downloaded nextradio. It has very good fm radio or at least the sound and reception is very good.
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It's a good news for our snapdragon model.
Very useful to have radio fm without the need to use data
how good is the reception?
pixiebob said:
how good is the reception?
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It's as good as a small radio on mine. I sometimes use an old cutoff earbud for an antenna so I can play thru the speaker and I get great reception. The antenna I made isn't a foot long.
i have a China Mobile S10e SM-G9708 (Snapdragon) and it comes with FM radio and Samsung app preinstalled.
Feel so bad to see the Exynos variation has less functionality, performance, and battery life.......
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Feel so bad to see the Exynos variation has less functionality, performance, and battery life.......
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Yeah stupid Samsung... At least we can be happy we will have root and custom ROMs etc.
I've been looking into this issue today and found lots of evidence that virtually all smartphones have the FM chip built in but mobile networks disable them for financial reasons. Mobile networks put pressure on manufacturers to disable the chip so that we are forced to use mobile data to stream music. I remember back when the S7 came out, it didn't have support for FM radio out of the box but it received an update which enabled the chip later.
Hi, would you please share the FM Radio apk. It's a feature I like but don't have available
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Feel so bad to see the Exynos variation has less functionality, performance, and battery life.......
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It also has root. Totally worth it IMO.
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CroGamer1 said:
I've been looking into this issue today and found lots of evidence that virtually all smartphones have the FM chip built in but mobile networks disable them for financial reasons. Mobile networks put pressure on manufacturers to disable the chip so that we are forced to use mobile data to stream music. I remember back when the S7 came out, it didn't have support for FM radio out of the box but it received an update which enabled the chip later.
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This isn't the case with exynos phones. They never had radio chip (unlike snapdragon variants) so there is nothing to enable. Spirit FM radio on very old devices (around android 5.0) was somehow able to use the bluetooth as FM radio receiver on some devices, but the reception was poor and it was killing battery life. That's not possible anymore.
I love having fm radio on my phone so I have been constantly searching for solution since galaxy s8 and there is none (for the exynos model). Snapdragon version of the s10 has also better battery life and performance, so if you really want fm radio + benefits and don't care for root (the only advantage of exynos models for now) u should try to find one.
DJPops said:
Hello,
I've read on a russian website that all unlocked S10 in USA & Canada (Snapdragon) will have FM Radio (via NextRadio App I suppose). Hope this is true.
Any clue for European versions with Exynos chip ?
Pops
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I have an unlocked US version and it does have the FM radio.
Titanium3 said:
Hi, would you please share the FM Radio apk. It's a feature I like but don't have available
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I bought S10e from finland last week and had to send it back because the FM-radio just didn't start functioning. No radio app, downloaded and installed nextradio apk but it said there is no suitable software on phone to start fm tuner. So it is totally turned off from factory I guess. Anybody have success to get FM tuner receiving on European version?
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I bought S10e from finland last week and had to send it back because the FM-radio just didn't start functioning. No radio app, downloaded and installed nextradio apk but it said there is no suitable software on phone to start fm tuner. So it is totally turned off from factory I guess. Anybody have success to get FM tuner receiving on European version?
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The Exynos devices don't have a FM tuner built in. Only way to listen to radio is over the internet.
I mean this sucks. Why doesn't Sammy install one in their chips? It's not super expensive technology. I don't think that a valid argument is for carrier monetary reasons since mid-tier and low-tier Samsung phones have the tuner built in
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I mean this sucks. Why doesn't Sammy install one in their chips? It's not super expensive technology. I don't think that a valid argument is for carrier monetary reasons since mid-tier and low-tier Samsung phones have the tuner built in
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You're right...there's no real reason for this but to save just a tiny amount of money. Samsung does this for a couple of years and never mentioned why with a good reason.
Also integrating DAB wouldn't be hard work but a really nice feature, especially in Europe.
What programs out there work besides next radio?
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I mean this sucks. Why doesn't Sammy install one in their chips? It's not super expensive technology. I don't think that a valid argument is for carrier monetary reasons since mid-tier and low-tier Samsung phones have the tuner built in
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A lot of companies do that, Motorola is famous for it. I once asked a Motorola engineer why they didn't put NFC on their US phones and he told me that no one in the US uses NFC anyway. This was only a few years ago too. No one knows why companies make those idiotic decisions but I guess they figure that millions of pennies add up.
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It also has root. Totally worth it IMO.
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This isn't the case with exynos phones. They never had radio chip (unlike snapdragon variants) so there is nothing to enable. Spirit FM radio on very old devices (around android 5.0) was somehow able to use the bluetooth as FM radio receiver on some devices, but the reception was poor and it was killing battery life. That's not possible anymore.
I love having fm radio on my phone so I have been constantly searching for solution since galaxy s8 and there is none (for the exynos model). Snapdragon version of the s10 has also better battery life and performance, so if you really want fm radio + benefits and don't care for root (the only advantage of exynos models for now) u should try to find one.
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Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018) have Exynos and have FM Radio.
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a8_(2018)-8886.php