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in china mi5 pro is releasing on 6th april
And even then it will be limited release.
Thats the same day as the Huawei P9. Must be tactical.
I'm not sure if I like or think the Xiaomi tactic is of any good. Recently, I've read numerous articles about disappointing sales for their cellphones., and I can understand that. Lets take Redmi Note 3 as an example. Great phone and great value for money. They release it, and just a few weeks after they release the Pro version for more or less the same price, but now with superior CPU and expansion slot. As far as I know the Pro version wasn't communicated prior to the release of the standard version. Releasing the Mi5 in small chunks beginning at the entry version in one color doesn't add up to me. Beginning at the flagship would in my opining boost more hype around the phone and would probably convince more people to grab the flagship rather than the entry.
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/03/2...rease-xiaomi-mi-5s-production-capacity-april/
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/03/2...trength-3d-ceramic-body-extreme-scratch-test/
I guess Xiaomi Mi5 Pro will be sold out in 30 seconds
I thought Oneplus were bad for trying to get a phone but these lot are worse.
Huawei Nova 3, the package for users missing SD card slot in 2018 flagship devices. Is that device ever useful in mather of options and updates compared to last Nova models, or is it only a dead ship for unused hardware before new Board arrives in Mate 20?
Does the line ever get 2 major updates?
Huawei starts to mess the market with so called better devices, but only add or left some features, nothing special.
dkionline said:
Huawei Nova 3, the package for users missing SD card slot in 2018 flagship devices. Is that device ever useful in mather of options and updates compared to last Nova models, or is it only a dead ship for unused hardware before new Board arrives in Mate 20?
Does the line ever get 2 major updates?
Huawei starts to mess the market with so called better devices, but only add or left some features, nothing special.
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Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?
I would say no. Poco F1 has no NFC and no Android One.
Their service sucks.
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?
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Not only is not an Android One device, but comes with MIUI on top of Android.
Xiaomi had trouble to update to Android 8.1 their Android One phones also, so its mainly software and security updates vs power.
Same story with OnePlus.
More about it here - https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-review-1808p6.php
Why would you go from 7 plus to poco f1?
Sure, poco have much better cpu and gpu, but still its not enough not to even consider to upgrade especially when you will not see that much difference.
I would consider poco only if you want to play with the custom roms.
Sent from my Nokia 7 plus using Tapatalk
Poco f1 is good for secondary phone, Its cheap.
Thank you, everyone. I eventually cancelled my order after giving it a lot of thought. You guys are right. First, their service centres suck (I know from my personal experience. Though I am not sure about HMD service centres as well). Second, I am not a gamer. I only have one game installed (Football Strike by MiniClip) but I hardly play that one as well. Third, the build and display quality of N7+ is just mind-blowing. Fourth, fast OTA updates. As being an AndroidOne device, we will get monthly security updates from Google and probably Android Pie by the end of September (and I saw the kind of improvement that Android Pie brings).
But here are few things that I don't like about Nokia 7 plus.
1. The resell value of Nokia devices are very less. I checked to see how is the resell value of Nokia 7 plus. And to my surprise, the response was pretty bad. I hardly got anyone who was interested. Even the one or two people who contacted me was not ready to pay more than INR.13,000 which is half of the price I spent on the device (INR.25,999). The worst part is, the device is not even a month old. Surprisingly, I got a very good price on my Xiaomi Mi A1 which I used for 10 months. My inbox was overflooded with buyer's messages. Even the shopkeeper from where I bought my Nokia 7 plus admitted that Nokia devices don't have resell value. If my device value comes down to half within just 1 month, I don't know how much will I get after a year or so.
2. Lack of custom ROMs/Kernels. I don't know why Nokia is still not allowing us to unlock the bootloader. Even though I had to pay for unlocking the bootloader, I still can't do anything with it except for rooting.
3. Lack of back cover and screen guard. I know there are a lot of screen guards and back covers available for Nokia 7 plus, but none of them are of good quality. I really want Spigen to make a back cover for N7+
4. With all due respect to the legacy of Nokia, I still feel Nokia devices are a bit overpriced (especially Nokia 7 plus). I understand the build quality is of top class. But still, I would say they are charging us quite a high price compared to what they are offering. They need to understand, even though the Nokia legacy is still alive, but people now want more VFM products. HMD Global needs to first concentrate on what are offering against the price they are charging. If the ratio is not proportional, people will eventually turn their head away from Nokia because now they have a lot of choices. It's not like 2000 where people used to purchase Nokia devices regardless of what amount they used to charge.
I would recommend to spend a little bit more and get the OnePlus 6. It checked all the boxes according to your needs.
although not have AndroidOne, BUT:
- support ProjectTrebble
- support officialy UNLOCKING bootloader
- officialy statement that unlocking NOT Void warranty
- officialy saying "try custom ROM, try GSI(GenericSystemImage)"
- with already released kernel sources
i too think about switch from N7+ right due to above... although N7+ isnicer and better manufactory, but HMD boycott community
The Poco has DRM issues so you can't watch netflix etc on HD. The so called stereo speakers are bad. You will have issues with call quality due to bad earpiece speaker. You could spend a bit more and get the Oneplus 6 for good hardware and that Oxygen OS <3.
All in all it's your decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31I09febJsg
The cons for this phone start at 11:00.
just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time
I switched from Poco F1 to Nokia 7 Plus, Why?
-Multitouch issue - Poco F1 has a severe multitouch issue that the company is not telling if is a hardware problem or a software bug and the problem seems to be in most of Indian variants.
-Software Updates: Xiaomi is a well known name for not providing good updates and on time and if your phone runs on MIUI then it's total ****.
-Customer support: most laughable aspect of Xiaomi.
Reviewers are probably paid.
I won't buy cheap phones ever, after what Xiaomi did to me, wait for OnePlus instead and always buy phones after few months.
Buy a reliable and expensive product but cheap things like Poco.
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just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time
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Is problem with waiting, if many good developers ignoring/selling Nokia 7 Plus, because not possibly (officialy) unlock bootloader... this is really STUPID step from HMD that stop/slow growing of developers and powerusers community...
Is here two petition about unlocking bootloader:
https://www.change.org/p/hmd-global...to-unlock-the-bootloader-of-our-nokia-handset (actually 2422 sign)
https://community.phones.nokia.com/support/discussions/topics/7000024502 (actually 170 sign/like and 388 comments (+many (~50-100) comments deleted by Moderator)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-7-plus/how-to/petition-possibility-to-unlock-t3788953 (xda thread)
and from MHD is ZERO, repeat... ZERO reaction... only 1 reaction in nokia forum thread is from Laura about "stop vulgarism"
Me lost patience and before some day buy unoficialy signature file for unlocking, but this is not global solution, many people don't want in principle pay for having root/admin account for device which buyed and/or send IMEI/SN of his phone to 3rd people... Only positive is that is really not need have Customs N7+ ROMs, because with Project Treble is here GSI (Generic System Image)...
I have a 4/64GB Xiaomi Mi A2, bought it the exact same month it was release so I think I have one of the first units.
With that being said, I have noticed some backlight bleeding with this device over the course of 5 months, I'm also affected by the eMMC "bug".
And since Xiaomi keeps screwing up more and more within each newest (and late) monthly system update, I keep noticing this phone's counterpart, Nokia 7 Plus, isn't suffering from those issues.
So I have the opportunity to return this device back to Amazon and getting my full money back, so I figured I'd pick up either the 128GB version of Xiaomi Mi A2 or a Nokia 7 Plus of 64GB as well.
I need an opinion on this.
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I have a 4/64GB Xiaomi Mi A2, bought it the exact same month it was release so I think I have one of the first units.
With that being said, I have noticed some backlight bleeding with this device over the course of 5 months, I'm also affected by the eMMC "bug".
And since Xiaomi keeps screwing up more and more within each newest (and late) monthly system update, I keep noticing this phone's counterpart, Nokia 7 Plus, isn't suffering from those issues.
So I have the opportunity to return this device back to Amazon and getting my full money back, so I figured I'd pick up either the 128GB version of Xiaomi Mi A2 or a Nokia 7 Plus of 64GB as well.
I need an opinion on this.
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This will definitely be a wise thing to do,
Nokia 7 plus excels in every department (aside from Camera and day to day snappiness) , You will really enjoy having a more bug free experience
I've used a Nokia before and I wouldn't go back to another Nokia device although they're well built. One thing that I've personally noticed and others have reported with their Nokia devices too is that with every android upgrade the overall system performance degrades. On top of that, there is no official bootloader unlock method for majority of Nokia devices including Nokia 7 plus and no much third-party development.
It's a typical 'the grass is greener on the other side' effect. The Nokia 7 plus has its own set of android pie issues, just check its forum.. Nokia devices generally have horrible ram management even with greater ram capacities.
I personally love my Mi A2 and would never go back to a Nokia even if I want to change my device. Maybe try and get your Mi A2 replaced to get the emmc bug fixed? ?* I personally don't have the bug so my experience with this device is probably different from yours.
Quick look on the Nokias xda page reveals it has it's own bugs and if you are into custom roms and stuff it's lacking even more in development. Couple of my friends have 7 plus and my A2 is outperforming them in every category altough it's not fair comparison since I haven't been on stock rom in months. In my opinion a2 is better phone and I never experienced any bug aside that my mmc is also one of those ****ty micron ones, but it doesn't have any impact at all in day to day use. I think that bug is just exaggerated by bunch of benchmarkwankers.
In the end it all comes down to personal preference. But if I were you I would definately go for a change just for the fun of it.
Get the 128gb version. The Samsung flash memory doesn't suffer from the read write bug and if you can get it for like under 200USD (I got mine on sale for 190) then it's the best bargain ever....
Well of course it comes with bugs but still a bargain though lol
wait for the pixel lite
I would never buy a completely locked Android phone, since software support sucks on all of them.
If I had to buy a locked phone, it would be an iPhone
Amazon has the 128GB but not for that price, although it seems the grass is greener on the other side, Nokia 7 Plus has a few features I wish Mi A2 had, like micro SD slot and NFC respectively
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Amazon has the 128GB but not for that price, although it seems the grass is greener on the other side, Nokia 7 Plus has a few features I wish Mi A2 had, like micro SD slot and NFC respectively
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I have to agree with you on the sd card and nfc part. I miss those features too.
You don't have to get the 128gb version to fix the emmc bug. I have 32gb version (I bought it last month so it's probably the newer batch with the fixed emmc). Just try and send it in for warranty.
But if you want another device, I would suggest the redmi note 7 - another device by Xiaomi (now redmi is a brand of its own). It doesn't run stock android though and instead runs miui 10 and has all of the features the mi a2 doesn't.
If you're looking for budget stock android, then the Nokia phones are probably your only other best option. Keeping in mind the bootloader unlock is basically non existent.
Some other devices I came across were motorola one power and asus zenfone Max pro M1. Hop onto their respective forums here on XDA and see how active the development for them is.
If you're someone who upgrades phones every year or two and don't mess around with the phone, then you don't have to bother with bootloader unlocking and modding. In that case, the Nokia 7 plus would be a good buy.
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I have to agree with you on the sd card and nfc part. I miss those features too.
You don't have to get the 128gb version to fix the emmc bug. I have 32gb version (I bought it last month so it's probably the newer batch with the fixed emmc). Just try and send it in for warranty.
But if you want another device, I would suggest the redmi note 7 - another device by Xiaomi (now redmi is a brand of its own). It doesn't run stock android though and instead runs miui 10 and has all of the features the mi a2 doesn't.
If you're looking for budget stock android, then the Nokia phones are probably your only other best option. Keeping in mind the bootloader unlock is basically non existent.
Some other devices I came across were motorola one power and asus zenfone Max pro M1. Hop onto their respective forums here on XDA and see how active the development for them is.
If you're someone who upgrades phones every year or two and don't mess around with the phone, then you don't have to bother with bootloader unlocking and modding. In that case, the Nokia 7 plus would be a good buy.
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That's the thing, my current Mi A2 is bootloader unlocked and using Pixel Experience due to Xiaomi's incompetence with updates.
I figure the 128GB version has the eMMC bug but just in case if I buy the same exact model, will you think it's a newer batch? There's no way to check either.
Alright, I've owned both the Mi A2 and the Nokia 7 Plus so I think I can give you a better breakdown. Both phones are good and both phones are solid. It really depends on what you prioritize more.
Mi A2:
Thinner and sleeker
Better camera and video
Lighter
More RAM and Memory variant
Has more custom development support
Nokia 7 Plus:
Better battery
Feels premium
Nice unique back texture
Heavier
But the Nokia 8.1 just came out, maybe you should check that out too?
Nokia 7 Plus Pros:
-Great Battery
-Good Cameras, not the best but good in proper lighting
-Great Build
-Cam2Api enabled by default
Cons:
i. No bug fixes since first Pie release, they only send patches
ii. Low light cam bad
iii. Late updates i.e blot on the name of Android enterprise recommend
iv. Software not optimized properly, lags, freezing,etc
v. Can't unlock bootloader
I have both MiA2 and N7P, there is not much difference except better battery in N7P, but Mia2's battery improved after hard reset from recovery and following proper charge cycle.
https://twitter.com/HiHonorIndia/status/1184786687135760389
Now it is officially confirmed that we wont get Android Q... Cheers!
It was a mistake buying Honor Play. My previous phone was Honor 5x. It launched with Lollipop in 2016 and was promised '2 years update'. The updates were discontinued after barely 8 months after and I got stuck with Marshmallow. Luckily I unlocked my phone and was able to use custom ROMs to mitigate the problem.
I decided to give Honor a second chance, despite all the controversies. The Honor Play was being offered at a good value after the price drop. It's probably one of the worst decisions made. Obviously performance is there, but bootloader was locked. Still I would live with that. And now this! Wow! Phones with the same chipset (P20) and cheaper price (8X) are getting the update and we are not!
Learned my lesson the hard way. Never ever buying any Honor or Huawei again, and will avoid Chinese companies as much as possible.
I don't buy this story one bit, as it was a similar case with my Galaxy S6 Edge receiving an Oreo update which it never did. And if the inferior 8X can handle the latest software, why can't the Play do the same? It's beyond me really (in case, it's true).
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I don't buy this story one bit, as it was a similar case with my Galaxy S6 Edge receiving an Oreo update which it never did. And if the inferior 8X can handle the latest software, why can't the Play do the same? It's beyond me really (in case, it's true).
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It's sad, but it's true!
You can check other replies from the Twitter page/ Honor Club forums/ Huawei Central website...
This has become basically a scam.
If they relent and push update like they did for Honor 7x I'll be okay. But I'm never ever buying Honor products again.
SO its better to have the latest OS that could cripple the phone as specs not good enough (so they say), then having a older OS on and fast etc phone ?
I love updates and new features, but not if im going to be frustrated with the phone lagging or harder to use
I know what I would prefer, plus it not like Pie is some old old software and suddenly apps wont support it
I'm so done with Huawei.
Finger crossed. I bought two Honor play phones and View 20 and later gave out one Honor play to a friend and Honor View 20 to a girl friend. This source that claims 'low hardware' as the reason for Honor Play not receiving Android 10 is not authoritative to me.
My believe is that Android 10 will come later next year as floated online initially.
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SO its better to have the latest OS that could cripple the phone as specs not good enough (so they say), then having a older OS on and fast etc phone ?
I love updates and new features, but not if im going to be frustrated with the phone lagging or harder to use
I know what I would prefer, plus it not like Pie is some old old software and suddenly apps wont support it
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Agreed. Would prefer a smooth Android 9 experience over a buggy Android 10
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Finger crossed. I bought two Honor play phones and View 20 and later gave out one Honor play to a friend and Honor View 20 to a girl friend. This source that claims 'low hardware' as the reason for Honor Play not receiving Android 10 is not authoritative to me.
My believe is that Android 10 will come later next year as floated online initially.
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The source is trustable. That is the official Honor India page. And they have given this reply to multiple tweets.
The people in Honor support chat has said this as well. Obviously this claim of theirs is a bogus claim but the chance of us getting the update is very dim. There is a chance that regions other than India would get the update but this is very unlikely because the largest market for the phone was India.
It's honor india. They done the same thing with other honor phones too.
Still, after hearing that, i might stop getting a huawei phone and i'm sorry for you all that you got this underwhelming news
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/10/20/emui-10-wont-reach-honor-play-smartphone/
According to Huawei uk on Twitter the final list hasn't been made so still a glimmer of hope. https://twitter.com/HuaweiMobileUK/status/1186233485800943617?s=20
Maybe honor India jumped the gun wouldn't be the first time.
https://beebom.com/honor-play-emui-10-hardware-limitations/
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https://beebom.com/honor-play-emui-10-hardware-limitations/
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Still, a big shame. It's still Honor india so..
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According to Huawei uk on Twitter the final list hasn't been made so still a glimmer of hope. https://twitter.com/HuaweiMobileUK/status/1186233485800943617?s=20
Maybe honor India jumped the gun wouldn't be the first time.
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I thought as much. The most questionable part of the India's Honor tweet is the low hardware reference on Honor Play when compared to 8X that would receive Android 10. It doesn't make sense to me.
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I thought as much. The most questionable part of the India's Honor tweet is the low hardware reference on Honor Play when compared to 8X that would receive Android 10. It doesn't make sense to me.
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In response to an email honor UK said this.
In response to your inquiry, kindly note that the Honor Play is not yet scheduled to receive the Android 10 / EMUI 10 upgrade. So far, the only Honor models confirmed to receive the update are Honor 20, Honor 20 Pro and Honor View 20.
Of course, we are constantly testing the update on other models as well, so there is a possibility that the Honor Play will receive the upgrade in the future. Therefore, we invite you to keep an eye on our official website and social media platforms for any official announcements.
It's ok, the different parts of the company are confused, or there's no control over what their staff post. Best to be sure and only get Android One or Pixel phones in future if you're concerned about updates as Huawei,Honor,Moto etc etc just launch so many phones there's no way they are going to support all of them. It's disappointing when you get a phone and find 14 months in it's abandoned but there you go. You live and learn. No more Huawei/Honor phones for me. There are a million Android phones out there and they're all pretty much the same hardware wise as far as I'm concerned - it's the software that's important. If Google are going to spend loads adding AR or whatever but I'm not going to be able to use it because some dodgy Chinese company can't get its **** together then I'm not interested.
I believe that Honor Play will get Emui 10. Let's just wait and see. All the Kirn 970 devices will get it. Huawei said that there would be more than 35 models getting EMUI 10. But there are only 33 models in the list. Moreover, according to the circled words, more models are on their way so this is not the final list. In addition, Honor Note 10 is not in the list either.
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I believe that Honor Play will get Emui 10. Let's just wait and see. All the Kirn 970 devices will get it. Huawei said that there would be more than 35 models getting EMUI 10. But there are only 33 models in the list. Moreover, according to the circled words, more models are on their way so this is not the final list. In addition, Honor Note 10 is not in the list either.
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I hope so. Honor Play is just too good in its category to let go not updated - when it has a capable hardware.
As i know Honor uk already said that the Update comes in February 2020?!
It may not get EMUI 10 but maybe it will get android 10? ???
Seems like we gonna get it
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