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Has anyone gotten Adfree android to work on the my touch slide 3G?
I either get a reboot or error about writing to hosts
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
Faud said:
Has anyone gotten Adfree android to work on the my touch slide 3G?
I either get a reboot or error about writing to hosts
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
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See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=664532
Ignore the installation commands, you need to boot in to recovery and push the hosts file to /system/etc/ on the phone.
Adfree works fine. The reason it doesn't work on slide has nothing to do with the app. The hosts file goes in /system/etc/ and since we don't have r/w access to /system, the app can't do what's its supposed to do. It works great I used it the whole time I had a G1, its just cus your phone isn't PROPERLY rooted. Neither is anyone elses til we get that SPL...
Til then you gotta adb push the file thru recovery...
I dunno if you know this, but adfree temporarily d/l's the hosts file to your sdcard, then deletes it when its done. But since it couldn't replace the file on my slide, it left it on the sdcard! All you gotta do is run the app and wait for it to error out, then go get the file and put it on your pc and adb push to /system/etc...
-BMFC
Sent from my ROOTED myTouch3G Slide
bmfc187 said:
its just cus your phone isn't PROPERLY rooted. Neither is anyone elses til we get that SPL...
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Actually, its rooted just fine (you can run anything you want as uid 0). The SPL security has nothing to do with root.
It is like saying you don't have the proper key to a door just because after you open it there is a guard standing there not letting you in to the next room.
Just being picky...
i think what he meant is that with all the other phones most of us have had we had an SPL to flash once we had done the original tweaks(or before on some phones) so as of right now i agree that the phone is not rooted properly yet as i don't have full control over the phone whenever i want, i want to be able to mv stuff to system partition from android terminal
just being picky...
could anyone please post the actual commands? im new to adb and wold really appreciate the help adfree is the entire reason i even rooted
among others but it was the number one
adb push hosts /system/etc
-BMFC
Sent from my ROOTED myTouch3G Slide
thank you so very much
Other than removing a few of the stock apps, this is one of the things I'm looking forward to rooting for, I loved it on my G1.
With all of the folks having so much trouble rooting this sucker though, I may wait awhile.
it said this
' failed to copy 'hosts' to '/system/etc': Permission denied '
and if i type su it asks for a password and if i try to run in root it says that production models wont run in root
but i rooted and have the superuser permissions apk installed and has granted me permission to other things
ParkerOviedo said:
it said this
' failed to copy 'hosts' to '/system/etc': Permission denied '
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Were you booted in to recovery with /system mounted?
i was able to figure it out
i never tried typing su into the adb shell after i rooted
i got the prompt on my device and accepted it now i have full permissions
well it accepted the command and it pushed the host file to /system/etc but it still isnt disabling ads |:<
ParkerOviedo said:
well it accepted the command and it pushed the host file to /system/etc but it still isnt disabling ads |:<
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same thing happened to me. but as falken mentioned before, you have to make sure the system is mounted before running the command. so..
boot into recovery.
go to 'partitions'.
select 'mount /system'.
run adb command "adb push hosts /system/etc".
reboot system.
*you might wanna might wanna be sure the comp sees the device in recovery before running the command via "adb devices". i do this before i do any adb'ing.
*be sure the hosts file is in the root of your sdk directory, otherwise your command will vary.
poetik517 said:
same thing happened to me. but as falken mentioned before, you have to make sure the system is mounted before running the command. so..
boot into recovery.
go to 'partitions'.
select 'mount /system'.
run adb command "adb push hosts /system/etc".
reboot system.
*you might wanna might wanna be sure the comp sees the device in recovery before running the command via "adb devices". i do this before i do any adb'ing.
*be sure the hosts file is in the root of your sdk directory, otherwise your command will vary.
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All I get is "failed to copy 'hosts' to '/system/etc': Permission denied"
And yes my Phone is Rooted..
I did everything above. do I have to be in su or something...
Can you not do this on the stock rom. Do I have to flash one of the other roms to be able to push to System...
jnight666 said:
All I get is "failed to copy 'hosts' to '/system/etc': Permission denied"
And yes my Phone is Rooted..
I did everything above. do I have to be in su or something...
Can you not do this on the stock rom. Do I have to flash one of the other roms to be able to push to System...
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You need to have flashed the engineering rom so you have a root shell in recovery.
Does the Hosts file even block ads?
droctii said:
Does the Hosts file even block ads?
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Yup, and it makes the internet soo much faster. Adfree works fine as is if you add the rw overlay
dumfuq said:
Yup, and it makes the internet soo much faster. Adfree works fine as is if you add the rw overlay
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BINGO! Thanks!!!
Hey guys,
I had a few questions about sideloading off market apps, that i couldn't find answers to. Thanks for your consideration.
If i understand correctly, you can only sideload apps on my unrooted samsung captivate by using a connection to a computer, right?
I know about the sideload wonder machine and i have used it successfully.
I know i could download the android sdk, and use the adb push command.
Is there a way to edit the no_market_app value in the settings db file only using my un-rooted phone?
Or can i use terminal emulator or a combination of both to somehow install an off market app?
I was just trying to think of ways to avoid having to conncect to a computer to install an app. I was on the road with a friend, and i had an off market app i wanted to give him, but he also has att(which blocks sideloading of off market apps), so i didn't even try. But wouldn't it be awesome if i could send the apps to his phone through bluetooth or email, then install it on his phone without rooting his phone? Maybe a temporary root of some sort would work? Isn't that how swc works?
Anyways, once i've played enough with my stock phone, i'll beg for more and i'll eventually root, and i'll probably end up playing with the sdk too. Thanks again guys!
To Root or Not To Root... or Perhaps Just A Temp Root...
There are a few quick fix temp root apps floating around. It really depends on you model and build if they work correctly or not.
You could, as you mentioned, push from a cmd promt in adb, install from the cmd promt in adb to the device - or - pull from the device itself using a shell or terminal.
Unfortunately, I currently don't know of a direct way that you would be able to access, let alone edit the system.db file to make a permanent modification without at least being under a temp root.
Peace-
So, I followed the guide we all did here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1818502
And before someone asks: I have deleted the Backup app (IS11LG_SystemBackupTest.signed.apk) we had to install during rooting after the phone was rooted.
The phone then happily ran, rooted. SUpersu was installed/updated, the phones root check said it's all perfect, I was a happy camper. But today I had to reboot it. I can't say if it was the first reboot after rooting, sadly. The phone boots up, arrives at the lockscreen (some colorful defaultthing, before I get to see my GO Locker screen after login), and then stops being responsive, it basically at first feels like it's not reacting at all. Some things are responsive, strngely ... I get accurate sounds when touching the screen for instance. If I then wait, I eventually get to the SIM Unlock ... which is also totally unresponsive, it will maybe show two digits, then freezes up. Strangely, I could type the remaining digits and hit OK and the SIM would unlock ... but the screen no longer showed what I typed. I then arrive at GO locker, can unlock it (sluggish and slow again) and finally am properly logged in, but still totally sluggish and slow. Needles to say it's a pseudobrick that way, unusable.
What's going on and what could I check?
Please try the following:
alexp999 said:
REALLY SLOW AFTER ROOT?
Remove the "SystemBackupTest" app, if you haven't already.
On your phone, go to "Settings -> Developer options" and make sure "USB debugging" is TICKED
Connect your phone via USB to your computer.
Open a command prompt (may need admin privelages, right click, run as administrator)
Type without quotes "cd C:\o4xr" and press enter.
Type without quotes "adb shell rm /data/local.prop" and press enter.
Type without quotes "adb reboot" and press enter.
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Please try the following:
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Thanks, that fixed it! It's not easy to do, as the scrolling lists do not work, either, and you can't seem to get to the developer options, it won't scroll. Strangely enough "internally" it seems to do things ... if you re-enter the options, they're down to the end of the list, it looks like it doesn't update the screen properly (much like when I had to enter the SIM code).
Anyway, it's fast again, whew ... I was scared. What is the local.prop thing, if I may ask?
voon said:
Thanks, that fixed it! It's not easy to do, as the scrolling lists do not work, either, and you can't seem to get to the developer options, it won't scroll. Strangely enough "internally" it seems to do things ... if you re-enter the options, they're down to the end of the list, it looks like it doesn't update the screen properly (much like when I had to enter the SIM code).
Anyway, it's fast again, whew ... I was scared. What is the local.prop thing, if I may ask?
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I'm not entirely sure, I just know it gives us temp root for the rest of the root script to run.
Hm, so its' not a systemwide ini file or so, that existed before ... it was created during the above rooting process and was an undesired leftover from it? I'm always a bit worried if I delete something with such an unspecific name in the OS
voon said:
Hm, so its' not a systemwide ini file or so, that existed before ... it was created during the above rooting process and was an undesired leftover from it? I'm always a bit worried if I delete something with such an unspecific name in the OS
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Its actually created by the SystemBackupTest app.
The script then removes it just before issuing a reboot.
The only way it can come back, is if you accidently open that app again before uninstalling it.
alexp999 said:
Its actually created by the SystemBackupTest app.
The script then removes it just before issuing a reboot.
The only way it can come back, is if you accidently open that app again before uninstalling it.
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I see, I might have done that ... good to know. Anyway, great that it works again, thanks again
laggy phone
My lg 4x hd is very slow after root...
I just tried to make this few steps above, but I got this message.
Any idea what to do?
Pls help me!
THX
66aaa
66aaaa said:
My lg 4x hd is very slow after root...
I just tried to make this few steps above, but I got this message.
Any idea what to do?
Pls help me!
THX
66aaa
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It looks like you have either plugged in more than one android device, or you have an android emulator (from the SDK I guess) running. Unplug all USB devices (except keyboard and mouse) and then try again. Good luck!
If you have an emulator running try "adb -d shell rm /data/local.prop"
Edit: To see all adb-devices type "adb devices". This will return a list of all adb-devices connected (emulators + usb devices)
Dexxon said:
If you have an emulator running try "adb -d shell rm /data/local.prop"
Edit: To see all adb-devices type "adb devices". This will return a list of all adb-devices connected (emulators + usb devices)
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I still don't understand and hope you do it...
THX for your help!
As you can see the same device is listed two times. Restarting the adb server may help. Just type "adb kill-server" and than launch the second command from your screenshot. Maybe this works.
Dexxon said:
As you can see the same device is listed two times. Restarting the adb server may help. Just type "adb kill-server" and than launch the second command from your screenshot. Maybe this works.
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This is the result...what to do know?
THX
The devices is detected and the command is executed, but the file does not exist. Make sure that there is a file "prop.local" at /data. If not, you may have a different problem.
Maybe you have an emulator running or Bluestacks installed... Uninstall Bluestacks...
I don't think that this is the case as the device shows up with a serial number in the "adb devices" list.
To be sure it is the correct phone you could compare the serial number shown in the list with the serial number of your phone (you might find this information in settings -> about phone).
Dexxon said:
The devices is detected and the command is executed, but the file does not exist. Make sure that there is a file "prop.local" at /data. If not, you may have a different problem.
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I don't have in the system/data "prop.local" file...sure....
What is emulator and Bluestacks?
I really don't understand this problem I have...
Could you help me pls?
THX
66aaaa said:
I don't have in the system/data "prop.local" file...sure....
What is emulator and Bluestacks?
I really don't understand this problem I have...
Could you help me pls?
THX
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An emulator is a program which emulates Android so you can execute Android-Apps on your PC. BlueStacks is an emulator. It may show up as an adb devices, but this is not the case here.
Back to your problem: Are you sure the rooting process worked?
Did you reboot your phone after rooting?
I didn't root my phone under ICS so I don't have any experience with this
no one raised this question to confirm or did this info was provided anywhere
What version of ROM? ICS V10x? JB V20x? User could had used the wrong guide.
Best way out is to do a reflash and retry rooting if all fails.
Dexxon said:
An emulator is a program which emulates Android so you can execute Android-Apps on your PC. BlueStacks is an emulator. It may show up as an adb devices, but this is not the case here.
Back to your problem: Are you sure the rooting process worked?
Did you reboot your phone after rooting?
I didn't root my phone under ICS so I don't have any experience with this
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I dont't have this Bluestacks emulatur, sure...
I have Superuser working properly on JB V20 stock ROM. The only thing it is very slow sometimes, Thats why I tried to make the process above...
I made the root few month ago...and rebooted many times since than...
Any idea what to do now?
THX
I had Emanon's ROM on it for a while, but it just came crashing down so I flashed CM7.2... boots a lot faster, seems a bit more stable.
But I used to have full access, and now I don't. How do I get it back? I just want to switch out the bootanimation.zip.
Came across this:
status_six said:
Hi there, you need to have s-off (aka security off or full root) to write to /system and /data with the device booted, i.e. using root explorer etc.
You can also do it with s-on, but you have to to that with your PC via cmd prompt and adb shell which is less convenient.
Great guide to getting s-off here, took me <10 mins!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794314
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I've just finished mucking around with a HTC, so I'm a bit confused, but I gather there's no fastboot mode on the Mini, so I can't see how I can access the phone's flash from the PC without using the ADB shell...
And I'm not sure s-on/off is even relevant to the Mini... halp!
Okay, I was able to do it with Absolute System; must have missed the SU prompt or suffered a system glitch when I was installing ES File Explorer.
Anyone know how I can grant SU privileges to ES?
Kimmoth said:
Okay, I was able to do it with Absolute System; must have missed the SU prompt or suffered a system glitch when I was installing ES File Explorer.
Anyone know how I can grant SU privileges to ES?
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Go to the su app and grant the permission for ES
you are coming from HTC so I am clearing some points some of them are of-topic
no fastboot instead download mode
bootloaders are not locked so no s-on no s-off in Samsung devices
use Odin multidownloader to flash firmware through PC
never use rom manager on this mobile, else a brick will be waiting for you
galaxy mini is easily root able
just flash an update.zip in recovery and you will be rooted
after root to change something in system
type mount -o remount,rw /system then do whatever you want to
stock rom cannot be backed up with the help of cwm
Hello guys im new to these forums an did not know where to post at, i got a coolpad defiant (Not the best phone) an i wanted to root it and was seeing if anyone here maybe able to help me out?? ive tried to use kingRoot but not luck on using that method if anyone got any suggestions id really like that, thanks again!
rebz408 said:
Hello guys im new to these forums an did not know where to post at, i got a coolpad defiant (Not the best phone) an i wanted to root it and was seeing if anyone here maybe able to help me out?? ive tried to use kingRoot but not luck on using that method if anyone got any suggestions id really like that, thanks again!
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Any luck?
Thank you very much
Jayfreshh said:
Any luck?
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Did you ever find anything for this device?
remarkablecow913 said:
Did you ever find anything for this device?
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Nothing as yet still searching, need to do some work on the phone but nothing to start with ?
Jayfreshh said:
Nothing as yet still searching, need to do some work on the phone but nothing to start with ?
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I know. I can't find Any resources for this phone. I might get brave And see if I can find twrp for same chipset and try.
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remarkablecow913 said:
I know. I can't find Any resources for this phone. I might get brave And see if I can find twrp for same chipset and try.
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Have you tried unlocking bootloader? That's probly most important. If it's locked there is no point tying
remarkablecow913 said:
I know. I can't find Any resources for this phone. I might get brave And see if I can find twrp for same chipset and try.
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Have you tried unlocking bootloader? That's probly most important. If it's locked there is no point tying
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Okay if anything works out when you try let me know
The bootloader can be opened in developer mode for this devise if I'm correct
You can unlock bootloader in developer options but from there. I'm stuck and really want to get root and see what "deleted" files I can recover from a factory reset. Anybody ever try twrp for same chipset like someone was talking about doing?
rebz408 said:
Hello guys im new to these forums an did not know where to post at, i got a coolpad defiant (Not the best phone) an i wanted to root it and was seeing if anyone here maybe able to help me out?? ive tried to use kingRoot but not luck on using that method if anyone got any suggestions id really like that, thanks again!
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[Update Anyone?]
I picked up a Coolpad 3632a yesterday and I've been trying to ROOT it for quite a while nowl; trying Kingroot v5.3.7 without PC, and KingRoot 3.5 on PC both failed to ROOT. I've been out of the loop for quite a while regarding Android devices and OS - the last Android Phone i owned was the LG G3 if i remember correctly. According to the available info I've found searching for Rooting Options for the coolpad 3632a it all seemed almost %100 easily rootable with or without PC mainly using Kingroot.
If anyone was successful in rooting this device (Coolpad 3632a / Android 7.1.1) - please let me know, my main goal is to find a good custom ROM and load it replacing the Bloat/Malware filled phone!
Thanks again to anyone who has taken the time to read and respond with any news (good or bad) on getting this device successfully rooted.
-=Mac3lite=-
Bootloader Unlock = Not happening on this device. At least yet.
Development = Absolutely none. Means no TWRP/ROMS etc.
Root = Nothing as of 10/10/2018.
phonecapone said:
Bootloader Unlock = Not happening on this device. At least yet.
Development = Absolutely none. Means no TWRP/ROMS etc.
Root = Nothing as of 10/10/2018.
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EDIT: I just obtained temporary root.. seeing if it sticks.
Root for Coolpad Devices
NOTE: I have not tried this on your device but I have tried it on my Coolpad Mega 2.5 D , Coolpad Mega 3 and Coolpad Note 5 lite. You might try to see if this works on your Coolpad Device.
Requirements :
A working ADB setup
Procedureownload the Given Zip File and Extract Them in a folder.
CONNECT YOUR DEVICE TO PC
ALLOW USB DEBUGGING IN DEVELOPER SETTINGS:
OPEN THE FOLDER WHERE YOU EXTRACTED THE FILES AND RUN CMD.BAT
COPY AND PASTE THESE CODES ONE BY ONE IN ADB ....
Or RUN THE SCRIPT IN THE GIVEN FILE
Quote:
adb wait-for-device
Quote:
adb install magisksu.apk
Quote:
adb install rootcheck.apk
Quote:
adb install root.apk
Quote:
adb shell monkey -p com.yulong.openrp -v 500
Quote:
adb reboot
WAIT TILL THE DEVICE BOOTS
OPEN MAGISK APP & COPY AND PASTE THIS CODE :
Quote:
adb shell mount -o remount,rw /system
NOW :
Quote:
adb push magisk /system/bin
IF SUCCESSFUL, TYPE:
Quote:
adb shell magisk su
RUN THIS COMMAND AFTER EVERY REBOOT TO AGAIN GET ROOT ;
Quote:
adb shell magisk su
OR
Update magisk for permanent root.
Download::::::::
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e1atRg7PQ2JyI8W88g1E9L9NihdGEjqO/view?usp=drivesdk
Yeah that's already what I tried previous to your post. Had zero luck. =/ Also after that point forward for some reason when i try to fastboot i cannot issue any commands and it displays "Secure Phone" at the bottom left of the screen. Whether or not it was due to this I do not know for certain.
phonecapone said:
Yeah that's already what I tried previous to your post. Had zero luck. =/ Also after that point forward for some reason when i try to fastboot i cannot issue any commands and it displays "Secure Phone" at the bottom left of the screen. Whether or not it was due to this I do not know for certain.
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Does fastboot detect your device ? Or just the commands fail even after detection ?
Also , when your phone boots , does MTKlogger automatically start ?
dwaipayan774 said:
Does fastboot detect your device ? Or just the commands fail even after detection ?
Also , when your phone boots , does MTKlogger automatically start ?
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It gets detected just the commands fail. There is a white "Secure Phone" line of text across the bottom left. Im going to try loading an sdcard to see if it will auto update anything.
I can't even use Flash Programmer in QFIL or many other apps in QDLOADER 9008 mode. I know the firehose is the correct one yet it never wants to boot. I don't know why.
MTKLogger might have before unless i'm thinking of a different handset here. But as of the moment it doesn't.
No luck with the sdcard. I think it's about time to factory reset this device and put it up for sale. I'll post the firmware here shortly.
Here is the firmware - https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/rom-coolpad-defiant-3632a-stock-t3855692
Temporary Root
phonecapone said:
Bootloader Unlock = Not happening on this device. At least yet.
Development = Absolutely none. Means no TWRP/ROMS etc.
Root = Nothing as of 10/10/2018.
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What did you do? I've been trying for months now.
dwaipayan774 said:
NOTE: I have not tried this on your device but I have tried it on my Coolpad Mega 2.5 D , Coolpad Mega 3 and Coolpad Note 5 lite. You might try to see if this works on your Coolpad Device.
Requirements :
A working ADB setup
Procedureownload the Given Zip File and Extract Them in a folder.
CONNECT YOUR DEVICE TO PC
ALLOW USB DEBUGGING IN DEVELOPER SETTINGS:
OPEN THE FOLDER WHERE YOU EXTRACTED THE FILES AND RUN CMD.BAT
COPY AND PASTE THESE CODES ONE BY ONE IN ADB ....
Or RUN THE SCRIPT IN THE GIVEN FILE
Quote:
adb wait-for-device
Quote:
adb install magisksu.apk
Quote:
adb install rootcheck.apk
Quote:
adb install root.apk
Quote:
adb shell monkey -p com.yulong.openrp -v 500
Quote:
adb reboot
WAIT TILL THE DEVICE BOOTS
OPEN MAGISK APP & COPY AND PASTE THIS CODE :
Quote:
adb shell mount -o remount,rw /system
NOW :
Quote:
adb push magisk /system/bin
IF SUCCESSFUL, TYPE:
Quote:
adb shell magisk su
RUN THIS COMMAND AFTER EVERY REBOOT TO AGAIN GET ROOT ;
Quote:
adb shell magisk su
OR
Update magisk for permanent root.
Download::::::::
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e1atRg7PQ2JyI8W88g1E9L9NihdGEjqO/view?usp=drivesdk
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Any chance on a repost of the file?
dwaipayan774 said:
Root for Coolpad Devices
NOTE: I have not tried this on your device but I have tried it on my Coolpad Mega 2.5 D , Coolpad Mega 3 and Coolpad Note 5 lite. You might try to see if this works on your Coolpad Device.
Requirements :
A working ADB setup
Procedureownload the Given Zip File and Extract Them in a folder.
CONNECT YOUR DEVICE TO PC
ALLOW USB DEBUGGING IN DEVELOPER SETTINGS:
OPEN THE FOLDER WHERE YOU EXTRACTED THE FILES AND RUN CMD.BAT
COPY AND PASTE THESE CODES ONE BY ONE IN ADB ....
Or RUN THE SCRIPT IN THE GIVEN FILE
Quote:
adb wait-for-device
Quote:
adb install magisksu.apk
Quote:
adb install rootcheck.apk
Quote:
adb install root.apk
Quote:
adb shell monkey -p com.yulong.openrp -v 500
Quote:
adb reboot
WAIT TILL THE DEVICE BOOTS
OPEN MAGISK APP & COPY AND PASTE THIS CODE :
Quote:
adb shell mount -o remount,rw /system
NOW :
Quote:
adb push magisk /system/bin
IF SUCCESSFUL, TYPE:
Quote:
adb shell magisk su
RUN THIS COMMAND AFTER EVERY REBOOT TO AGAIN GET ROOT ;
Quote:
adb shell magisk su
OR
Update magisk for permanent root.
Download::::::::
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e1atRg7PQ2JyI8W88g1E9L9NihdGEjqO/view?usp=drivesdk
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hey the link is dead. could you make a new link?