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Hi,
Does anyone know why it is such a god damn crapshoot for charging speeds on the galaxy note 2 (or any samsung device for that matter).'
You buy a charger rated for 2amps and you never know what it will give you.
You buy a USB micro cable and get anywhere between 0.4amps and 1.6amps.
What is the criteria that the phone is using to determine how many amps to pull from the charger? How does it even know what gauge of wire it is? Is there some sort of resistance check?
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 and that is even more particular than the GN2. With most aftermarket chargers, it absolutely refuses to charge. I've had so much trouble finding a charger for it I've just stopped using the tablet since I only have one working charger for it.
It really sucks spending anywhere between $2-$30 dollars on a charger and not knowing if it will work. My success rate has been less than 10%.
I try to do forum and google searches, but all I seem to find are comments like "I bought this charger. Seems to work." With no detailed information on what performance they are getting out of it.
This is really turning me off samsung products. I don't have this problem with my HTC or LG android devices.
I don't know why you have problems, I have 2 samsung devices (phones) and I chare them with their original chargers, charger from Nexus 7 and my old charger from Desire HD and all work just fine... ofcourse, the original one is the fastest, since it is 2A, HTC one is 750mA and Ativ S one is 500mA, N7 one is 1A....
dalanik said:
I don't know why you have problems,
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You kind of answer this for yourself, as follows:
dalanik said:
I have 2 samsung devices (phones) and I chare them with their original chargers, charger from Nexus 7 and my old charger from Desire HD and all work just fine... ofcourse, the original one is the fastest, since it is 2A, HTC one is 750mA and Ativ S one is 500mA, N7 one is 1A....
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Your stock charger is 2A. (about 1.5-2 hours to charge)
Your HTC charger is 750mA (about 4-5 hours to charge)
Your ATV charger is 500mA (no better than a computer port. 6-8 hours to charge)
This was my point. This IS my problem. Obviously the stock charger works at 2A, but with any other charger it is anyones guess as to what speeds you're going to get out of it. Even when they are specified to work at 2A, you are likely not going to get 2A out of it. The phone is so bloody fickle.
If there was some benchmark or specific set of criteria I could use when I purchase a new charger to know for certain if it will charge at 2A, then that would mitigate some of the problem at least. But right now, there is none as far as I can tell. When I purchase a charger, I literally have no idea if it will run at 2A with this phone.
I'm glad that you're not bothered by the slow charging speeds and are happy with <1A. I'm sure this works well for most people. It doesn't for me. I push my phone to the max (as I have every right to) and need a charger that can keep up.
Well, charging slowly is different to what you say i.e. "refusing to charge at all" etc. And of course I don't use Ativ's charger to charge N2 often, it would take ages But I use HTC's charger that is 750mA and it charges within 2 hours which is OK.
Anyways, the only solution for you is to buy BRANDED charger from a company you can trust not some cheap chinese, t should work just fine whether it gives 2A or 1.9A is really no big difference.
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Well, charging slowly is different to what you say i.e. "refusing to charge at all" etc. And of course I don't use Ativ's charger to charge N2 often, it would take ages But I use HTC's charger that is 750mA and it charges within 2 hours which is OK.
Anyways, the only solution for you is to buy BRANDED charger from a company you can trust not some cheap chinese, t should work just fine whether it gives 2A or 1.9A is really no big difference.
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Well, there are chargers that refuse to work. Especially with the Galaxy Note 10.1.
Cheap ebay chargers are a crapshoot, that much goes without saying. But there are many brand-name chargers that don't work at full speed, despite being rated for 2A.
Its not so much a charger thing as a samsung thing. While I'm not able to find specific criteria as to how/why the phone decides to charge at the speed it does (which is really the only question I had with this thread), I can tell you that there are many brand name products (monoprice, anker, ngear, etc) that are rated for 2A, but will not run at 2A with the samsung. They will usually run at 2A with other products though.
The more research I do, the more I highly suspect that this is a case of Samsung propriety. It looks like that they are deliberately throttling aftermarket chargers to force you to buy their overpriced samsung chargers. As I understand it, it has something to do with creating a voltage divider between two of the contacts, but every diagram I find shows a different wiring scheme. This would indicate that no one really knows for sure.
The one and ONLY question I have with this thread is to find out what criteria the N7100 uses to determine how much amperage to draw. I remain confident that no one will answer this question because it seems no one knows.
For the Note 2: there is a way to get a simple measurement of how much current is being pulled. Refer to this thread for the apk and more info.
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For the Note 2: there is a way to get a simple measurement of how much current is being pulled. Refer to this thread for the apk and more info.
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Thanks for posting this. I suppose I should have mentioned that I have this app already and it is incredibly useful. I also have this, which with only a few bizarre exceptions, reports the same as the app.
The more people who are aware of this app, the better. People who think that their aftermarket charger "works fine for me" are probably unaware of how much those chargers are under-performing.
I don't have the education to explain your situation your situation well. But it boils down the electrical engineering the the physics of electricity.
There are quite a few variables that all effect the charging of devices. First thing is what does the device require for charge input, which is both amps and voltage. For whatever reason, quite a few tablets require 15 volts versus 5, which is what most mobile phones need. I have this same issue with my ASUS Transformer Infinity pad. It requires 2.0amps with 15 volts. I have a Galaxy Note II with needs 2.0amps with 5 volts. Unfortunately, when I use my phone charger with the tablet, it puts out enough to trigger a charger is plugged in (turns on tablet if it is off), but not enough to trigger there is actual charging. It does charge it, but it's a trickle charge; basically if it using while plugged in, it only slows the battery depletion rate.
As for the charge output, now you're getting into build quality, resistance of the components of the charger itself and the USB cable being used.
And then depending the device, the pins used on the USB cable can have an effect too. This mostly occurs with tablets or proprietary cables because the pins may tell the hardware what kind of charger is being used, which may have built in limits for charging.
Hopefully that helps some.
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I don't have the education to explain your situation your situation well. But it boils down the electrical engineering the the physics of electricity.
There are quite a few variables that all effect the charging of devices. First thing is what does the device require for charge input, which is both amps and voltage. For whatever reason, quite a few tablets require 15 volts versus 5, which is what most mobile phones need. I have this same issue with my ASUS Transformer Infinity pad. It requires 2.0amps with 15 volts. I have a Galaxy Note II with needs 2.0amps with 5 volts. Unfortunately, when I use my phone charger with the tablet, it puts out enough to trigger a charger is plugged in (turns on tablet if it is off), but not enough to trigger there is actual charging. It does charge it, but it's a trickle charge; basically if it using while plugged in, it only slows the battery depletion rate.
As for the charge output, now you're getting into build quality, resistance of the components of the charger itself and the USB cable being used.
And then depending the device, the pins used on the USB cable can have an effect too. This mostly occurs with tablets or proprietary cables because the pins may tell the hardware what kind of charger is being used, which may have built in limits for charging.
Hopefully that helps some.
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That last part is correct. I actually know enough about electrical circuits to be pretty sure it is the phone deciding how much power to pull.
Ohms law states that the amperage of a circuit is the voltage of the circuit devided by the resistance (in ohms).
USB circuits are almost universally 5 volts. I remember reading somewhere that a phone has a potentiometer that protects it from circuits of incorrect voltage, up to a certain amount. This is probably why you can get away with sticking a 15V charger onto your phone and not blowing it up. You cannot depend on this however. Generally, you do not want to stick a charger into your device that is a different voltage rating than what the charger is rated for.
The charger decides the voltage, using an internal device that changes AC voltage (120VAC if youre american) to 5VDC (USB) or whatever your device needs. This device is called a rectifier.
As stated above, the charger decides the voltage. The battery determines the resistance*, therefore the amperage is the natural result of deviding the voltage by the resistance.
*Resistance is added to the circuit by the wire and the charger itself, but is usually inconsequential.
When a charger says that it is rated for a certain amperage, that means that it is the maximum amount of current that thr internal components can handle safely, without running the risk of earth-shattering kabooms (fire). If the circuit you have connected to your charger contains too little resistance, you will increase the amperage (ohms law, as stated above), and you may end up with a piece of charcoal where your charger used to be.
Thr fact that the samaung phones can change the amperage of a charging circuit so fickly must mean the phone is capable of changing its resistance. So the question becomes, what criteria is it using to determine when to change the resistancr and to what?
-PW
This may be the longest thing ive ever typed on my phone.
I'm not disagreeing since, as you said, the mobile device manufactures have build in some safe guards so we don't fry them from incorrect chargers or over charging.
But there are charges that are 15v. I've have one that came with my ASUS Transformer Infinity Pad. I think many Samsung tablets are in the same boat. I don't recall using that charger on any of my smartphones; if I have, it's only been once or twice, but good possibility I may never have. But as stated earlier, I have used my phone chargers on the tablet, but only does a trickle charge. That tablet has some wide input plug at the end of the USB cord. I'm thinking one of the pins must not get enough power to trigger the full charge. Yet, if I use my Anker external battery, set it to 15v, and a few adapters, it triggers the normal charge cycle.
Don't forget,phones such as Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy S3, use 11pin microUSB ports versus the standard 5. I have no idea what all pins do or trigger, My assumption, part of your answer why the charge output varies lies with how they're use the other pins. I know quite a few tablets have more than 5 pins since the USB port is some wide thing; the ASUS does because it carries data and power for the separate keyboard that can be attached to be a suedo-laptop that has USB ports, battery and full 104 key keyboard; I don't recall what other ports the attachment may have.
I still hold that part of charge difference is also the USB cord itself since difference materials have difference resistance. It may not be as significant as the charger itself, but I've seen significant differences in charging times or depletion rates (around 10% battery per hour) using MHL adapters purely on the USB cables.
Yes, typing out long replies on the phone's virtual keyboard blows monkey chunks. Thus, I use a blue tooth keyboard instead for those situations. I also have a blue tooth mouse, LOL.
Hi guys!
I recently switched from a Samsung galaxy s5 to a nexus 6. It's been more than great, really. Why did I ever buy galaxy phones?!
I'm confused over quick charge 2.0 and compatibility with other chargers and couldn't find any proper information on the subject.
At the moment I own:
- Aukey 5-port 35W Charger
- Tecknet 6-port 50W Charger
- Anker Astro E5 15000mAh battery bank with 2A + 1A ports
- Large assortment of other single port chargers @ 2-2.4A from Samsung, ASUS, and several aftermarket brands.
All of these chargers, and the battery, delivered (tested with the Ampere app and tons of different cables) ~2A to the galaxy but only deliver ~1A to the nexus 6. The Motorola turbo charger obviously works as intended. Now my questions:
- Does quick charge 2.0 limit any non compatible chargers to 1 amp?
- Is there a way to mod chargers to at least get back 2A charging?
- Worst case, does anyone have experience with a recommendable battery bank and multi port chargers that support quick charge 2.0?
Thanks!
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@cam30era
I'm using the franco kernel at the moment and as far as I can tell it doesn't have any options related to charge speeds. I'll look into other kernels.
Thanks for the info!
Jonathan030 said:
@cam30era
I'm using the franco kernel at the moment and as far as I can tell it doesn't have any options related to charge speeds. I'll look into other kernels.
Thanks for the info!
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Welcome.
BTW, there's a button for that...
Jonathan030 said:
@cam30era
I'm using the franco kernel at the moment and as far as I can tell it doesn't have any options related to charge speeds. I'll look into other kernels.
Thanks for the info!
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Why would you need options relating to change charge speeds? Qualcomm quick charger works on any kernel, if you're talking about USB fast charging, it's already enabled in Franco kernel.
There isn't a need to switch to other kernels.
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@zephiK You misunderstood my question. The problem I'm looking to solve is the slow charge rate from the chargers in the original post.
To add to that. My macbook also charged my old galaxy phone @ 2amps but with my n6 only does 500mA.
Nothing wrong with the turbo charger
Jonathan030 said:
@zephiK You misunderstood my question. The problem I'm looking to solve is the slow charge rate from the chargers in the original post.
To add to that. My macbook also charged my old galaxy phone @ 2amps but with my n6 only does 500mA.
Nothing wrong with the turbo charger
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Laptop USB ports at limited to 500mah output unless its a dedicated charging port with USB 3.0 then It can push 1.6A so I don't see how that's possible to charge at 2A from a laptop.
@Pilz this is irrelevant. My 2014 macbook pro charges my old phone much faster than the nexus 6.
Refer to the original post for the topic at hand
Quickcharge 2.0 devices uses the data pin on usb to determine if the charger connected is a quickcharge 2.0 charger. The devices you are using do not have this capability so they charge slower. I do not think this can be changed kernel or phone side.
Thanks! I guess I'll have to replace the chargers/battery
Jonathan030 said:
- Worst case, does anyone have experience with a recommendable battery bank and multi port chargers that support quick charge 2.0?
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Here are a few on Amazon.com:
CHOE 6 port home charger with 2 Quick Charge 2.0 ports: $34.99 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UBK9M08
CHOE 4 port car charger with 1 Quick Charge 2.0 port: $21.99 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R18XTCA
Aukey Quick Charge 2.0 10000 mAh battery pack: $29.99 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UBDI7EC
I haven't tried any of them yet; the car charger arrives tomorrow
Jonathan030 said:
@zephiK You misunderstood my question. The problem I'm looking to solve is the slow charge rate from the chargers in the original post.
To add to that. My macbook also charged my old galaxy phone @ 2amps but with my n6 only does 500mA.
Nothing wrong with the turbo charger
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I could be wrong S5 I looked up uses usb3.0 right? Does your macbook have usb3.0? If so then the usb 3.0 port can supply more current when detected being a usb3.0 device by your computer and ever more so it is possible for the mac to output a little more current. Can you plug in the S5 then open system profiler to look at USB device tree to see current being delivered? The nexus 6 only using usb2.0 would not get the same treatment by the comp and only receive the max standard of .5 A.
There are many details about the actual max current that can be supplied by the computer's ubs port that I don't know when they are applicable I've just stated reading so I'm not sure why you can get 2.0 A on your S5 and not less, since there are standards that set the max current. Even more complicated is that under certain conditions macs have their own heirarchy of supplying more current to some devices if they "say they need" more current and even then there are limitations. So again I'm not sure what is at play exactly, that determines why the S5 gets more than usual. The .5A is normal for current output on USB 2.0 in the nexus6.
I actually got this in the mail yesterday, and the wall chargers works great...Havent have a chance to test out the car one though!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q6LK81I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Plus its officially certified by Qualcomm for support 2.0
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@Pilz this is irrelevant. My 2014 macbook pro charges my old phone much faster than the nexus 6.
Refer to the original post for the topic at hand
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That doesn't make sense which is why I went into some detail about laptop or any computers USB ports. I unfortunately had a MB Pro and hated it, and it never charged any of my phone a at 2A including my wife's old S5. I don't have it anymore so I can't test it again to verify. The person I quoted below explained it a little better than I did.
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I could be wrong S5 I looked up uses usb3.0 right? Does your macbook have usb3.0? If so then the usb 3.0 port can supply more current when detected being a usb3.0 device by your computer and ever more so it is possible for the mac to output a little more current. Can you plug in the S5 then open system profiler to look at USB device tree to see current being delivered? The nexus 6 only using usb2.0 would not get the same treatment by the comp and only receive the max standard of .5 A.
There are many details about the actual max current that can be supplied by the computer's ubs port that I don't know when they are applicable I've just stated reading so I'm not sure why you can get 2.0 A on your S5 and not less, since there are standards that set the max current. Even more complicated is that under certain conditions macs have their own heirarchy of supplying more current to some devices if they "say they need" more current and even then there are limitations. So again I'm not sure what is at play exactly, that determines why the S5 gets more than usual. The .5A is normal for current output on USB 2.0 in the nexus6.
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I actually got this in the mail yesterday, and the wall chargers works great...Havent have a chance to test out the car one though!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q6LK81I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Plus its officially certified by Qualcomm for support 2.0
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Getwow is officially certified? Why, because they're Amazon page says so?
Scroll down close to the bottom to see Qualcomm certified accessories:
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge
PaisanNYC said:
Getwow is officially certified? Why, because they're Amazon page says so?
Scroll down close to the bottom to see Qualcomm certified accessories:
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge
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Those lying bastids! They even stamped Qualcomm 2.0 right on the side lol . Regardless..Wall chargers works as does the car charger, same as the Motorola one
Tower1972 said:
Those lying bastids! They even stamped Qualcomm 2.0 right on the side lol . Regardless..Wall chargers works as does the car charger, same as the Motorola one
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Qualcomm doesn't post every certified charger on their website. In would email the manufacturer and ask for their certification or a picture of it which most will show you assuming on they're legit.
Jonathan030 said:
Hi guys!
I recently switched from a Samsung galaxy s5 to a nexus 6. It's been more than great, really. Why did I ever buy galaxy phones?!
I'm confused over quick charge 2.0 and compatibility with other chargers and couldn't find any proper information on the subject.
At the moment I own:
- Aukey 5-port 35W Charger
- Tecknet 6-port 50W Charger
- Anker Astro E5 15000mAh battery bank with 2A + 1A ports
- Large assortment of other single port chargers @ 2-2.4A from Samsung, ASUS, and several aftermarket brands.
All of these chargers, and the battery, delivered (tested with the Ampere app and tons of different cables) ~2A to the galaxy but only deliver ~1A to the nexus 6. The Motorola turbo charger obviously works as intended. Now my questions:
- Does quick charge 2.0 limit any non compatible chargers to 1 amp?
- Is there a way to mod chargers to at least get back 2A charging?
- Worst case, does anyone have experience with a recommendable battery bank and multi port chargers that support quick charge 2.0?
Thanks!
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It is technically incorrect for the phone to accept more than 1 amp on a 5v charger. The quick charge *protocol* negotiates a non-standard charge voltage (up to 12 volts!!!). Quick charge is actually BAD FOR YOUR BATTERY! The higher the current, the greater the temperature. The greater the temperature, the lower the battery life.
Unless you *need* it to charge that fast in an emergency, don't.
I've never even plugged in the charger that came with mine, and I don't intend to.
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It is technically incorrect for the phone to accept more than 1 amp on a 5v charger. The quick charge *protocol* negotiates a non-standard charge voltage (up to 12 volts!!!). Quick charge is actually BAD FOR YOUR BATTERY! The higher the current, the greater the temperature. The greater the temperature, the lower the battery life.
Unless you *need* it to charge that fast in an emergency, don't.
I've never even plugged in the charger that came with mine, and I don't intend to.
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I've used QC 2.0 since I bought my phone during long days and my battery life is just fine. My battery is cooler during QC than when using qi charging so I disagree. Generally speaking you're correct, however the battery would need to get hot and stay hot which is doesn't. QC 2.0 tapers off the voltage and current overtime to a more "normal" amount. Your argument is an old and doesn't always pertain unless your phone is constantly hot.
You're battery degrades overtime anyway and any heat could speed that up. I used to live in AZ where it gets to 120+[°F] in the summer which is hotter than my battery ever gets even using QC from 1% battery. Quick charging won't hurt your battery any more than normally charging it will. There is a cut off for the temperature it will let your battery get before it drops voltage or amperage which will work whether the what is from charging or the environment you are in. As I stated above qi charging will make your battery heat up more (in my case it does) I will post screenshots to back that up if you would like.
Lastly no one is expecting a battery to last 1-2 years without losing capacity so why worry about it? Your phone is warrantied for at least 1 year (I have moto care on top of the regular warranty) which will cover any battery issues. There's no need to panic or make an issue out of nothing.
Now can we please let this argument die? I keep seeing it and its getting rather old. Even if it does (which I'm not saying it does) degrade slightly faster its not a big deal for the aforementioned reasons. Let's get back on topic here people
Hi
I have the P9000 on the way and I am looking forward to it arriving. One question I have is what are my options for a fast charger? I am in the UK so require a three pin plug and don't want to have to use an EU to UK adapter. Am I able to use one of the many fast chargers on Amazon that say they work for Qualcomm's Quick Charge but do not mention PE+?
Thanks
i use the supplied cable with a three pin usb to UK wall adapter that we all use with older phones.
never timed it but it charges within an hour or so, its much faster than any other device i have on the old charge system.
no need to buy the 2 pin fast charge device their trying to flog on their site.
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i use the supplied cable with a three pin usb to UK wall adapter that we all use with older phones.
never timed it but it charges within an hour or so, its much faster than any other device i have on the old charge system.
no need to buy the 2 pin fast charge device their trying to flog on their site.
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Thanks for this.
I just thought some sort of higher amp charger would be needed to power the quick charging, but I shall wait until I have the phone then see where I can go from there.
mixterz said:
i use the supplied cable with a three pin usb to UK wall adapter that we all use with older phones.
never timed it but it charges within an hour or so, its much faster than any other device i have on the old charge system.
no need to buy the 2 pin fast charge device their trying to flog on their site.
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If I had known that, I probably wouldn't of bought the fast charger ..arrgghh oh well
Mind you it does charge very fast, full charge in around an hour cant be bad
I just thought some sort of higher amp charger would be needed to power the quick charging, but I shall wait until I have the phone then see where I can go from there.
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Yeah I thought the same too. Good luck with phone, I think you'll be happy with it. For price its a bargain
DON'T buy the Elephone branded wireless pad though, mine is rubbish (for normal charging that is, as I know its not a fast charger) its connects / disconnects all the time. Yet my son has a cheap wireless pad he got of eBay and its rock solid, lesson learnt I guess
I live in the US and I just use an iPad 12v charger. Takes around 45-60 mins to fully charge from 10%.
I use the one that came with my Google Pixel C
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Anything with enough amps works, i.e. any of the tablet chargers >2.1A.
I have a five port charging bay that delivers 2.4A and it charges my P9000 just as fast as my "Quick" charger. Now I'm annoyed i gave out the 20€ extra...
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I have a five port charging bay that delivers 2.4A and it charges my P9000 just as fast as my "Quick" charger. Now I'm annoyed i gave out the 20€ extra...
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Yes, agreed, my phone charges quickly, whether using the fast or a standard charger!
I'm using a Lumsing 4-port charger (the "old" model without QC 2.0; 2.1A max per USB port) and it charges my phone really fast, I'd say about 60% in one hour. So I dismissed my plans about buying the official quick charger
mixterz said:
i use the supplied cable with a three pin usb to UK wall adapter that we all use with older phones.
never timed it but it charges within an hour or so, its much faster than any other device i have on the old charge system.
no need to buy the 2 pin fast charge device their trying to flog on their site.
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what is the output amp rating on your charger?
I just bought an Aukey QC3.0 charger and it does like 80%/h
I bought a meizo PE+ charger and it does the job. Around a hour form 0 to 100%
Are these chargers that you use safe / fully compatible
I'm using tronsmart quick charged with volt IQ, is a very good option
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Are these chargers that you use safe / fully compatible
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Using the Google pixel C charger and it's very quick!
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How quick?
Everyone saying that the 'output amp rating' on 5V only output chargers is the way to determine if you're fast-charging your Elephone P9000 is unfortunately incorrect. A phone with PE+ uses load modulation to signal to a compatible charger that it should adjust its output VOLTAGE. There's a datasheet available somewhere that describes the protocol, but basically one set of current pulses (can be observed on an oscilloscope) means turn up the voltage, another set means turn down the voltage.
I managed to observe this behaviour, and simulate a compatible charger with a bench supply. When I saw the current pulses indicating a 'please increase voltage' signal, I wound up the volts on the supply from 5 to 12 volts, and the phone would draw up to 1A at 12V. If I left the supply at 5V, I would only see a maximum draw of around 1.7-1.8 A.
All this means is that compatible chargers are running at up to 12 Watts, whereas "high output current" chargers which only put out 5 V will only charge the phone at 9 Watts. Also, this is not compatible with quallcomm's quick charging system, which actually uses the USB data lines to request the increase in voltage.
Also, in general, cables are important. Phones will monitor their input voltage, and if they see it drop below some threshold, will reduce their charge current to match. If your charger doesn't have the current capacity to shove out to your phone, then the supply voltage will droop there and the phone will reduce the load. Similarly, if there is too much voltage drop down the cable (V=IR, R is the cable resistance, I is the current draw, V is the voltage drop) then the charging current will also be automatically reduced.
Also, strangely, my elephone p9000 recently stopped doing the PE+ thing! Now, there are no current pulses, and it only draws at 5V. *confused
I totally agree with the explanation of robot-army.
The Pump Express + charging technique is more than a simple current flow grossing.
This subject have been analyzed on another phone using the first mediatek Pump Express design used in the Zopo Speed 7:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/speed-7-plus/general/mediatek-pump-express-plus-zopo-7-t3336430
In that thread, you'll find the document that explain clearly the signal pattern awaited by Pump Express chargers to give their full potential. Without this management, they're just normal chargers and could be used in any other phone or device using USB standard to be supplied.
@robot-army: your problem regarding Pump Express management is known and it seems that since update 20160608, the kernel doesn't include this function anymore...
I saw that you shared your issue in the official Elephone forum on the following thread:
http://bbs.elephone.hk/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=11411&extra=page=1&mobile=2
I don't know if the kernel source used by Deepflex will let him put back this option ON in his CM13 Rom as it's an important feature of this phone and it seems that the Elephone Software checking team is not very serious about this point...
The lack of control of an highly advertised feature is a remarkable flaw, and even the last 20160715 update available doesn't correct this important point!
Please Elephone team, have some respect with your customer. The P9000 has a very good hardware basis, but you're making people changing their opinion because the software basis is not handled properly.
djelloul said:
I totally agree with the explanation of robot-army.
The Pump Express + charging technique is more than a simple current flow grossing.
This subject have been analyzed on another phone using the first mediatek Pump Express design used in the Zopo Speed 7:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/speed-7-plus/general/mediatek-pump-express-plus-zopo-7-t3336430
In that thread, you'll find the document that explain clearly the signal pattern awaited by Pump Express chargers to give their full potential. Without this management, they're just normal chargers and could be used in any other phone or device using USB standard to be supplied.
@robot-army: your problem regarding Pump Express management is known and it seems that since update 20160608, the kernel doesn't include this function anymore...
I saw that you shared your issue in the official Elephone forum on the following thread:
http://bbs.elephone.hk/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=11411&extra=page=1&mobile=2
I don't know if the kernel source used by Deepflex will let him put back this option ON in his CM13 Rom as it's an important feature of this phone and it seems that the Elephone Software checking team is not very serious about this point...
The lack of control of an highly advertised feature is a remarkable flaw, and even the last 20160715 update available doesn't correct this important point!
Please Elephone team, have some respect with your customer. The P9000 has a very good hardware basis, but you're making people changing their opinion because the software basis is not handled properly.
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Hi guys,
I've noticed Samsung S21 ultra supports 15w wireless charging - I was just wondering if all 15w wireless chargers were compatible? Or whether they specifically have to support "Samsung fast charge 2.0" - like the official chargers?
Wondering what others have bought? Let me know! Thanks!
I've been doing some research, I know that Samsung devices are supported by QC 3.0... but just wondered if this is true for wireless charging? Will generic 15w wireless chargers work? Would be much cheaper!
While generic 15w chargers will work, there are other factors that needs to be considered. Such as what kind of brick you are using with the charger and things like how thick the case you are using.
Sammy only have one 15w charger and that is OG stand. The other sammy fast wireless charger is 9w (input still requires 15w though)
Can't comment whether which 15w is reliable or not as they are 3rd party and varies from company to company.
A fair point. I guess if you use a QC 3.0 brick with at least 15w output - with a 15w wireless charging pad it should theoretically work then?
Be interesting to see which ones people find works for them!
hltbest said:
A fair point. I guess if you use a QC 3.0 brick with at least 15w output - with a 15w wireless charging pad it should theoretically work then?
Be interesting to see which ones people find works for them!
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Probably works but wireless charging is inefficient and needlessly raises the battery temp which is detrimental to its longevity in the long run.
blackhawk said:
Probably works but wireless charging is inefficient and needlessly raises the battery temp which is detrimental to its longevity in the long run.
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An 8 W Samsung wireless charger does not heat up the S21 ultra more than the 15 W charger I have (this cames with my Note 9). I would think a 25 Watt charger would heat it up more. The reason I bought the wireless charger was for my Note 9 and now the S21 ultra is that my Note 9, despite considerable babying, is showing some issues with the socket (it often will show cable charging instead of fast charging and despite changing cables, cleaning out the socket with compressed air and a toothbrush etc). So yes, in general you are correct but socket wear must not be discounted.
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An 8 W Samsung wireless charger does not heat up the S21 ultra more than the 15 W charger I have (this cames with my Note 9). I would think a 25 Watt charger would heat it up more. The reason I bought the wireless charger was for my Note 9 and now the S21 ultra is that my Note 9, despite considerable babying, is showing some issues with the socket (it often will show cable charging instead of fast charging and despite changing cables, cleaning out the socket with compressed air and a toothbrush etc). So yes, in general you are correct but socket wear must not be discounted.
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I hear what you're saying about the port. I do a lot of partial midrange charges so 3-4 times a day isn't uncommon.
The biggest thing is not to hit/drop it when a cable is connected.
Battery or port assembly the phone needs to come apart...
I have a couple of these wireless chargers. Mine are an older version that don't have a USB plug at the charging pad (mine has a non-removable wire from the pad). I can't seem to find specs on their site now, but when I bought mine they claimed they were 15w. I only bought them for how they look. I personally don't care how fast they charge, I prefer slow charging for better battey life, I'll use wired chaging when I need something faster. I have fast wireless charging disabled on my phone. But I just checked it, if I enable it, it does say "fast wieless charging" on the sceen when I place it on the pad, and the time to full charge is a little quicker than with fast wireless charging disabled. Still not as fast as wired though.
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dscline said:
I have a couple of these wireless chargers. Mine are an older version that don't have a USB plug at the charging pad (mine has a non-removable wire from the pad). I can't seem to find specs on their site now, but when I bought mine they claimed they were 15w. I only bought them for how they look. I personally don't care how fast they charge, I prefer slow charging for better battey life, I'll use wired chaging when I need something faster. I have fast wireless charging disabled on my phone. But I just checked it, if I enable it, it does say "fast wieless charging" on the sceen when I place it on the pad, and the time to full charge is a little quicker than with fast wireless charging disabled. Still not as fast as wired though.
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So the best way to check this is to download Ampere!
Grab it from Google play store, install it, and then open it while you are charging the phone on different wireless pads.
You work out the Watts by using;
Amps x Voltage
Let me know how it goes!
Hello! I'm looking for a wireless car charger for my Samsung Galaxy Note 20 ultra. My Baseus charger (on the screenshot) broke after only a year of usage.
It has 10w output and so when the navigation is on it only helps keep the charge.
Sometimes Xiaomi 20w car charger is recommended but according to reviews it still chargers Note 20 Ultra with 10 watts, 20w is only for Xiaomi charging protocols.
Can you advise me a charger that is compatible with and can charge the device with more than 10w?
Just look in Amazon, there's a lot of them that offer different watts for charging, not expensive either unless you go with name brand
I am looking for one as well. I have two scosche magicmount chargers that are fast charge. The 9v 1.67A or roughly 20 watts, but these will only charge the new note 20 ultra at 10w. From what I can tell they start off fast charging then the phone stops them and only allows the 10w. I took one of these apart along with a Samsung branded fast charger, the biggest difference I saw right away was the samsung charger had dual coils. So I think that may be the difference the phone recognizes because the voltage and amperage are the same.
I'd like to find one that has the same or similar magnetic mounting system. Its mostly a matter of convenience but also I have used clap ones before, not all were wireless chargers but the manual one often broke on me and the one automatic one I have has a touch button on the side that is very sensitive, so it often releases when I don't mean for it too.
@adj998 Yes there are plenty on Amazon, but unfortunately it seems Samsung has deemed this single coil wireless chargers as inadequate and disables fast charging on them.
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I am looking for one as well. I have two scosche magicmount chargers that are fast charge. The 9v 1.67A or roughly 20 watts, but these will only charge the new note 20 ultra at 10w. From what I can tell they start off fast charging then the phone stops them and only allows the 10w. I took one of these apart along with a Samsung branded fast charger, the biggest difference I saw right away was the samsung charger had dual coils. So I think that may be the difference the phone recognizes because the voltage and amperage are the same.
I'd like to find one that has the same or similar magnetic mounting system. Its mostly a matter of convenience but also I have used clap ones before, not all were wireless chargers but the manual one often broke on me and the one automatic one I have has a touch button on the side that is very sensitive, so it often releases when I don't mean for it too.
@adj998 Yes there are plenty on Amazon, but unfortunately it seems Samsung has deemed this single coil wireless chargers as inadequate and disables fast charging on them.
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This is the best one I've had, been working for a year and charges like a samsung wireless charger.
Xiaomi Wireless Car Charger 20W Max Power Inductive Electric Clamp Arm Double Heat Dissipation Fast Charging (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PKF3M43/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_8JY9GMG9XTADWYVMV6B5
I've used this one since Sept.2021. I love it.
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c-prodigo said:
This is the best one I've had, been working for a year and charges like a samsung wireless charger.
Xiaomi Wireless Car Charger 20W Max Power Inductive Electric Clamp Arm Double Heat Dissipation Fast Charging (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PKF3M43/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_8JY9GMG9XTADWYVMV6B5
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How has this Xiaomi charger fared? And how fast does it charge the N20 Ultra? The one I have doesn't charge the N20, just keeps it at a constant level but the same charger does charge an S7 and a Note 9 much faster (so probably coming up against the Sammie 'lets annoy customers by making them buy only Sammie wireless chargers' issue!). I have tried moving the phone up/down a bit to see if that's the issue but no luck.
So, looking to get something that charges faster and will get this one if it does so. Anyone else have the Xiaomi charger and is happy with it?
I am still happy with it, it charges my s23 ultra fast, the screen says fast wireless charging so, it is still good.