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Hey guys I just bought the Nexus 6 and been looking around here and didnt find anything on best ways of charging the phone. I know the phone comes with the quick charger, but I tried it and the phone got real hot and I am pretty sure its not good for the battery in the long run.
That being said I do not want my battery to start losing charges since it does not have a replaceable battery. I am just curious if anyone on here uses other methods of charging the phone or better yet if anything is proven to be safer to charge. Right now I am charging the phone with my previous Samsung s4 charger and seems to charge fine, but if its not good to do this I would like to know sooner than later.
The n6 is meant to charge fast and isn't the first phone to use fast charge technology so I think we are fine using the stock charger.There's no way a battery charging that fast isn't going to get hot.
Define "real hot."
It is normal for the phone to get quite warm when charging. It should never be hot to the touch though. In this context, by hot, I mean you're unable to hold the phone. If you're able to touch the back, and keep your fingers there for more than a few seconds, then the phone is warm, not hot. Anyone who has had a battery overheat can tell you that the difference is unmistakable.
Chargers will, by definition, heat the battery to some extent -- how much, depends on what kind of charger. The order (from warmest to coolest) is: QuickCharge 2.0 (Turbo Charger), qi wireless charging, QuickCharge 1.0 ("Traditional" 2A charger), Regular 1A charger, USB charger (500ma). However, the heat produced by ANY of these chargers is normal, and the battery was designed to handle it. The life may be lessened by the heat to a very small extent, but it should still last way longer than the 1 to 2 years you'll likely own your phone. Plus, technically, the battery IS replaceable. It's just not designed to be user-replaceable, but there are businesses that will replace them. Or... you can purchase an after-market warranty, most of which cover batteries.
jt3 said:
Define "real hot."
It is normal for the phone to get quite warm when charging. It should never be hot to the touch though. In this context, by hot, I mean you're unable to hold the phone. If you're able to touch the back, and keep your fingers there for more than a few seconds, then the phone is warm, not hot. Anyone who has had a battery overheat can tell you that the difference is unmistakable.
Chargers will, by definition, heat the battery to some extent -- how much, depends on what kind of charger. The order (from warmest to coolest) is: QuickCharge 2.0 (Turbo Charger), qi wireless charging, QuickCharge 1.0 ("Traditional" 2A charger), Regular 1A charger, USB charger (500ma). However, the heat produced by ANY of these chargers is normal, and the battery was designed to handle it. The life may be lessened by the heat to a very small extent, but it should still last way longer than the 1 to 2 years you'll likely own your phone. Plus, technically, the battery IS replaceable. It's just not designed to be user-replaceable, but there are businesses that will replace them. Or... you can purchase an after-market warranty, most of which cover batteries.
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I meant just warmer than normal use of the phone. I understand the phone gets hotter the faster you are charging, however I charge my phone every night so what is the point of the quick charging except when I am at work and my phones about to die?
I just feel that the phone will last longer by not quick charging it, but I could be wrong. What I really want to know is if anyone knows if its better for the phone if you just charge with the 1.0 and if so which charger should I use? Maybe another motorola one or would the samsung one work fine?
cleex024 said:
What I really want to know is if anyone knows if its better for the phone if you just charge with the 1.0 and if so which charger should I use? Maybe another motorola one or would the samsung one work fine?
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Technically, yes, it'd be better for your battery, but realistically, you'll never notice, since you'll probably get a new phone long before battery life becomes an issue.
However, to answer your question, any 1A charger designed for Android devices will work (If they're not designed for Android, they'll show "Charging (USB)" in the battery monitor, and will only charge at 500mA). The brand isn't really important, as long as it's a reputable brand. (...and before you ask, yes a 2A charger will work fine too, but will heat your battery more than a 1A charger.)
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Technically, yes, it'd be better for your battery, but realistically, you'll never notice, since you'll probably get a new phone long before battery life becomes an issue.
However, to answer your question, any 1A charger designed for Android devices will work (If they're not designed for Android, they'll show "Charging (USB)" in the battery monitor, and will only charge at 500mA). The brand isn't really important, as long as it's a reputable brand. (...and before you ask, yes a 2A charger will work fine too, but will heat your battery more than a 1A charger.)
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Ok thanks...I guess ill continue to use my samsung 1a charger since it works. And I know that I wont have this phone for the whole 2 years, but if I charge the phone every night anyway why take the risk of damaging the battery at all with a stronger charger when I dont need it right?
Anyway thanks for the advice and ill keep using my samsung charger.
Thanks
cleex024 said:
Ok thanks...I guess ill continue to use my samsung 1a charger since it works. And I know that I wont have this phone for the whole 2 years, but if I charge the phone every night anyway why take the risk of damaging the battery at all with a stronger charger when I dont need it right?
Anyway thanks for the advice and ill keep using my samsung charger.
Thanks
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I put my phone on a wireless charger all night and it gets a little warm but nothing to lose sleep over.
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I put my phone on a wireless charger all night and it gets a little warm but nothing to lose sleep over.
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Which wireless charger are you using?
The quick charge technology is designed to quickly charge your phone without reducing charging cycle performance
I have the Samsung 25w charger, and when using it it appears the phone will only either cable charge or superfast charge. It wont also fast charge. I want to maximize the battery life span of the phone, and cable charging is inconveniently slow, and I figured that fast charging would be a happy medium between that and maxing it out. I was under the impression that it's the phone that dictates the rate of charge it will accept from the brick, and the brick only determines the maximum deliverable current. If I understand correctly, we can use samsung's 45w charger, but the phone will obviously only allow 25w from it. I'm puzzled why when using the 25w charger the phone can't just accept 15w when set to only fast charge. Is this a bug?
Hi,
You might plug in your phone, Go to Parameters, Section Battery, Advanced Battery, and activate Super charge and superfast charge in order using fast and supercharge with your 45W charger !
Yes, I've done that. The 25w charger will only super fast charge, but won't just fast charge. I would have thought it could either one, whichever I have it set to do.
if you want fast charge ..... deactivate superfast charge should be the solution ! Isn't it ?
Probably a firmware/software glitch.
Fast charging will not enable if battery temp is too low.
To avoid Li plating the battery temp should be a minimum of 72°F or higher, the preferred minimum is 80°F.
Using the 45 watt brick may shorten battery life.
Fast charging with the 25 watt brick appears to do little damage.
Li's prefer brief, frequent midrange charges ie 40-65%. Avoid discharging below 30% and charging beyond 90% although 80% is a better top limit.
fission6606 said:
if you want fast charge ..... deactivate superfast charge should be the solution ! Isn't it ?
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No, if you only activate fast charge (with superfast deactivated) and use the 25w brick, the notification in the shade says cable charging, and that takes like 2hrs to charge the phone.
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No, if you only activate fast charge (with superfast deactivated) and use the 25w brick, the notification in the shade says cable charging, and that takes like 2hrs to charge the phone.
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That doesn't sound like fast charging is active. It should gain about 2%@minute through most of its range except the top end where it goes to about 1%@minute.
When this doesn't work correctly it's a true pain to troubleshoot. My 10+ started dropping out of fast charging prematurely. A new 25 watt brick/cable and trying a lot of other remedies still hasn't fully restored it.
I'm curious if anyone here has a 25w brick that could confirm if this behavior is present globally, or if this is something just on my device? Only activate fast charging in the battery settings, plug the phone in with the 25w charger, and look in the notification shade and see what the charge rate is tagged as. I'd be grateful if someone would confirm this.
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Probably a firmware/software glitch.
Fast charging will not enable if battery temp is too low.
To avoid Li plating the battery temp should be a minimum of 72°F or higher, the preferred minimum is 80°F.
Using the 45 watt brick may shorten battery life.
Fast charging with the 25 watt brick appears to do little damage.
Li's prefer brief, frequent midrange charges ie 40-65%. Avoid discharging below 30% and charging beyond 90% although 80% is a better top limit.
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I have noted that you practise the same charging procedures as I have done for several years (and you obviously have done as well). With my Note9 and S8 + I used to not let it drop below 40% if I can avoid it and also not go above 80%. All this is fine and most of this we all probably learned from Battery University and Isadore Buchmann. That all said, and I am really not sure if I am keeping this phone - Decision today or tomorrow - my question comes to the matter of calibration. When I received this phone some 14 days ago I charged it to 100% but thereafter did not run it down to zero but kept it above 40% the whole time. The question I put to you (and others can learn from your response) is there a need to "calibrate" the device initially (ie run down to say 10% for example once a month) as was suggested by Buchmann probably a few years ago?
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That doesn't sound like fast charging is active. It should gain about 2%@minute through most of its range except the top end where it goes to about 1%@minute.
When this doesn't work correctly it's a true pain to troubleshoot. My 10+ started dropping out of fast charging prematurely. A new 25 watt brick/cable and trying a lot of other remedies still hasn't fully restored it.
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You and I discussed this earlier. Do you think it is the port that has become damaged? Part of the reason for my getting the wireless charger is my Note 9 is very erratic when it comes to fast charging. Cleaning out the port with a toothbrush/compressed air. rebooting...wiping cache partition, new cable etc never truly fixed it for me. I do feel that when first plugging in the S21 ultra (before going wireless) the connection seemed a lot firmer.
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I'm curious if anyone here has a 25w brick that could confirm if this behavior is present globally, or if this is something just on my device?
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It does appear to be related to the Samsung 25w brick. I have the one that came with my S20U. It will "Super fast charge" my S21U no problem. If I turn off super fast charging in the phone, it only says "charging" when plugged in, and with my phone @ 65%, it said it would take well over an hour to charge (forgot the exact time). Then I took my phone w/o changing any settings to a generic 18w QC3 brick, and it said "fast charging", and said it would take 44 mins to complete.
Ive seen this same type of issue as well with 2 different chargers. One charger (45w pd) will fast charge with super turned on but not fast, notification only says fast charge. The second (39w qc3) will fast charge with regular fast charging turned on, but turning on super does nothing. Charge times are the same with both chargers on regular charging and fast, with 0 differemce between fast charging and super.
peterg21 said:
You and I discussed this earlier. Do you think it is the port that has become damaged? Part of the reason for my getting the wireless charger is my Note 9 is very erratic when it comes to fast charging. Cleaning out the port with a toothbrush/compressed air. rebooting...wiping cache partition, new cable etc never truly fixed it for me. I do feel that when first plugging in the S21 ultra (before going wireless) the connection seemed a lot firmer.
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I'm as clueless as you at this point unfortunately.
My port is good, cable/charger, tried hard reset, cleared system/akp caches, did the recall thing and so on.
I'm wondering if it's a battery fault. Do older batteries go into fast charging the same as newer ones? It's almost as if it's throttling the fast charging, sometimes it's full bore then it drops out to 1%@45 seconds then to 1%@minute.
Or is it a calibration ie it thinks it's at 90% when it's only at 70%?
The only I haven't done is a factory reset, lol.
All this started one night when it was slow charged to 100%. WTF?
TFF the curse of technological Beast!
Guess I'll try recall again.
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It does appear to be related to the Samsung 25w brick. I have the one that came with my S20U. It will "Super fast charge" my S21U no problem. If I turn off super fast charging in the phone, it only says "charging" when plugged in, and with my phone @ 65%, it said it would take well over an hour to charge (forgot the exact time). Then I took my phone w/o changing any settings to a generic 18w QC3 brick, and it said "fast charging", and said it would take 44 mins to complete.
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Right on. Sounds like it's not just my phone. That's a relief. It's puzzling why the phone can't also fast charge with that brick. Perhaps it's simply a bug that Samsung either never noticed, or it isn't a priority to them. It would be nice if we could take advantage of the different settings without having to have two different bricks sitting around.
I think I figured it out. The fast charging setting is for the old classic fast charger. If you connect your phone to that one, you'll see it says it's fast charging. If you don't have fast charging turned on, it'll prompt you to turn it on to use that charger at it's maximum capability. If you use one of the newer Samsung C to C bricks, it's going to do the super fast charging.
I am currently using this Baseus charging plug and get full range of charging options - fast / super fast.
Thought I would try some I have hanging around before buying a Samsung one.
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a.gordon1989 said:
Ive seen this same type of issue as well with 2 different chargers. One charger (45w pd) will fast charge with super turned on but not fast, notification only says fast charge. The second (39w qc3) will fast charge with regular fast charging turned on, but turning on super does nothing. Charge times are the same with both chargers on regular charging and fast, with 0 differemce between fast charging and super.
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XDA just covered this in their article:
Fast Charging Explained: The slowest to the fastest Fast Charging technologies
Curious about fast charging? Here's everything you need to know about fast wired charging standards and how to pick the best charger!
www.xda-developers.com
Unless a charger has USB-PD PPS they will only FAST Charge @ 18w with fast charge on (super fast on/off wont matter as it will be off). If you are getting super fast charging then you are getting the expected 25w which is totally fine and not bad for battery. You will get super fast with the samsung 25w adapter and maybe the previous series 45w adapter.
I have a 45W USB-C PD port as part of an Anker PowerPort and also the 18W charger that came with my Pixel 5. Would I notice much of an improvement in charging speed or integrity/longevity of the battery by purchasing Samsung's 25W charger?
Tmel14 said:
I have a 45W USB-C PD port as part of an Anker PowerPort and also the 18W charger that came with my Pixel 5. Would I notice much of an improvement in charging speed or integrity/longevity of the battery by purchasing Samsung's 25W charger?
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No huge charging improvement. It most likely will degrade the battery faster.
I use only the Samsung 25w bricks because they are known good and relatively cheap.
Just picked up a 25w brick and cable for $20.
The amount of trouble a defective charging hardware can cause means I won't consider using 3rd party chargers/cables for fast charging.
Fast charging is a nightmare to troubleshoot as I'm learning now... will see if a couple full 100-0% charge cycles get it or not.
It's time consuming and irritating.
thegr8anand said:
XDA just covered this in their article:
Fast Charging Explained: The slowest to the fastest Fast Charging technologies
Curious about fast charging? Here's everything you need to know about fast wired charging standards and how to pick the best charger!
www.xda-developers.com
Unless a charger has USB-PD PPS they will only FAST Charge @ 18w with fast charge on (super fast on/off wont matter as it will be off). If you are getting super fast charging then you are getting the expected 25w which is totally fine and not bad for battery. You will get super fast with the samsung 25w adapter and maybe the previous series 45w adapter.
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Thanks for posting the link to that article. It clears some things up. Charging standards have become rather confusing with all the proprietary standards. This makes me feel more comfortable using the 25w super fast setting on the s21 ultra.
Hi, I currently have a Samsung S10+ i am due to upgrade in about 2 weeks and will more than likely get the S21 Ultra from what i have seen i'm right in assuming you no longer get a charger with the phone now?
Do they give you a charging cable to plug in into a usb port you already have or incase you bought a charger that may no come with a cable?
From what i have seen you can get up 45watt for this phone is that right? would people recommend goimg for the full 45Watt i see you can get some that are 25watt etc i am guessing these will still be pretty fast?
Also would people probably opt for samsung's own charger or one like Anker that sometimes had dual ports, i see these and samsungs own 45watt charger are all about £45 or more.
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James
james_lpool said:
Hi, I currently have a Samsung S10+ i am due to upgrade in about 2 weeks and will more than likely get the S21 Ultra from what i have seen i'm right in assuming you no longer get a charger with the phone now?
Do they give you a charging cable to plug in into a usb port you already have or incase you bought a charger that may no come with a cable?
From what i have seen you can get up 45watt for this phone is that right? would people recommend goimg for the full 45Watt i see you can get some that are 25watt etc i am guessing these will still be pretty fast?
Also would people probably opt for samsung's own charger or one like Anker that sometimes had dual ports, i see these and samsungs own 45watt charger are all about £45 or more.
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James
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1. There's no cable included in the box instead they "purportedly" saved the environment by including a load of paperwork!
2. The Samsung charger that came as a bundle offer when I purchased the device had a usb-c to usb-c cable
3. Yes, the phone supports 45W charging. You will need to enable this in the settings; it's called "super-fast charging"
4. No, it's never advisable to fast charge a phone consistently. This will only degrade your battery life over time and I'm guessing you are someone who holds onto a phone for 2 years or so. Besides, fast charging = fast discharging.
5. If the said charger says that it supports S21 series, then go ahead. But again, it's best to hold on to your S10+'s charger as mentioned in point 4.
Amit
amirage said:
1. There's no cable included in the box instead they "purportedly" saved the environment by including a load of paperwork!
2. The Samsung charger that came as a bundle offer when I purchased the device had a usb-c to usb-c cable
3. Yes, the phone supports 45W charging. You will need to enable this in the settings; it's called "super-fast charging"
4. No, it's never advisable to fast charge a phone consistently. This will only degrade your battery life over time and I'm guessing you are someone who holds onto a phone for 2 years or so. Besides, fast charging = fast discharging.
5. If the said charger says that it supports S21 series, then go ahead. But again, it's best to hold on to your S10+'s charger as mentioned in point 4.
Amit
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Thanks Amit
This is cable included at UK
amirage said:
1. There's no cable included in the box instead they "purportedly" saved the environment by including a load of paperwork!
2. The Samsung charger that came as a bundle offer when I purchased the device had a usb-c to usb-c cable
3. Yes, the phone supports 45W charging. You will need to enable this in the settings; it's called "super-fast charging"
4. No, it's never advisable to fast charge a phone consistently. This will only degrade your battery life over time and I'm guessing you are someone who holds onto a phone for 2 years or so. Besides, fast charging = fast discharging.
5. If the said charger says that it supports S21 series, then go ahead. But again, it's best to hold on to your S10+'s charger as mentioned in point 4.
Amit
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the phone comes with a c to c cable
and no the phone does not support 45 w charging. it only supports 25w
fast charging = fast discharging? what?
please stop answering questions with wrong answers, thanks
sesnut said:
the phone comes with a c to c cable
and no the phone does not support 45 w charging. it only supports 25w
fast charging = fast discharging? what?
please stop answering questions with wrong answers, thanks
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Well, different regions have different packaging styles. Mine didn't come with a cable for some apparent reason. My bad about the 45W charging; got carried away with the bullet point answers..oops!
What I meant by fast charging = fast discharging is that the battery life will drain after a period of time. You won't have the same battery health after "n" months of consistent fast charging. It's ok to do it once in a while when you are really running short of time but never regularly.
Hlo guys, Hope you all are doing well.
I bought an S21 Ultra (Exynos) yesterday and it seems to be running hot even during normal usage. It heats up while I charge it (with a 33W Xiaomi charger) and it heats up even more (goes upto 43°C) while I am on a video call. I'm a little bit worried. Is this a faulty unit or just a software issue? Please help me out guys.
maharoof said:
Hlo guys, Hope you all are doing well.
I bought an S21 Ultra (Exynos) yesterday and it seems to be running hot even during normal usage. It heats up while I charge it (with a 33W Xiaomi charger) and it heats up even more (goes upto 43°C) while I am on a video call. I'm a little bit worried. Is this a faulty unit or just a software issue? Please help me out guys.
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It will do that for a few days. I had the same experience on the first 2-3 days. But the heating issue went away after that. It will still heat up occasionally (just like any other computer) and especially when you do anything involving the camera. All the new apps are constantly writing info, building cache, etc - this should ease off once the initial intense activity has completed. Some heating is bound to happen when charging too.
The only things I would recommend changing for now are: If you don't use 5G or have poor coverage in your area, turn off 5G scanning from Connections setting. This seemed to help me with battery as well as heating. And FHD+ instead of WQHD+ resolution (at least till the heating issue is gone, and then you can play around with settings and see what you like)
My advice would be to just wait for a few days before doing anything drastic or trying to modify stock firmware. If not better by the end of the week, you can explore other options. The phone is just one day old. Just give the software some time to settle.
unfortunately thats just the way it is
am having the EXACT same issues and i had the phone since Feb so - not something that will go away unless Samsung fixes it
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It will do that for a few days. I had the same experience on the first 2-3 days. But the heating issue went away after that. It will still heat up occasionally (just like any other compluter) especially when you do anything involving the camera. All the new apps are comstantly writing info, building cache, etc - this should ease off once the initial intense activity has completed. Some heating is bound to happen when charging too.
The only things I would recommend changing for now are: If you don't use 5G or have poor coverage in your area, turn off 5G scanning from Connections setting. This seemed to help me with battery as well as heating. And FHD+ instead of WQHD+ resolution (at least till the heating issue is gone, and then you can play around with settings and see what you like)
My advice would be to just wait for a few days before doing anything drastic or trying to modify stock firmware. If not better by the end of the week, you can explore other options. The phone is just one day old. Just give the software some time to settle.
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That's comforting to hear. Let me monitor it for another week. Should I continue using the 33W charger? Is S21 ultra capable of handling it? Or should I just buy the Samsung 25W charger? Thanks for the reply dude.
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unfortunately thats just the way it is
am having the EXACT same issues and i had the phone since Feb so - not something that will go away unless Samsung fixes it
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I hope it gets better for you. For all of us.
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That's comforting to hear. Let me monitor it for another week. Should I continue using the 33W charger? Is S21 ultra capable of handling it? Or should I just buy the Samsung 25W charger? Thanks for the reply dude.
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I haven't used the Mi charger. Tried with an old warp charger from OnePlus just for kicks and it doesnt super-fast charge the S21U. But that's becasue the propreitary fast charging standards used by different manufacturers are often incompatible.
After some research, I've found that the S21 ultra will not draw any more than 25 Watts of power (even if you use the Samsung original 45W charger). And even that 25W will work with only with a PPS (Programmable Power Supply) charger (USB C to C PPS) - like the 25W Official Samsung charger. There are a few 3rd party maufacturers that make PPS chargers, but I haven't used any of them. I just went ahead and bought the Samsung one, as there was a good discount on it.
Any other charger you use will only work as a slow charger, or a fast charger (15W max) at best if it supports Qualcomm Quick Charge (QC3) standard. For 25W Super-fast charging (it's anything but super-fast, but that's what Samsung insists on calling it) you need a PPS charger, and I would recommend going with the original 25W Samsung charger.
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I haven't used the Mi charger. Tried with an old warp charger from OnePlus just for kicks and it doesnt super-fast charge the S21U. But that's becasue the propreitary fast charging standards used by different manufacturers are often incompatible.
After some research, I've found that the S21 ultra will not draw any more than 25 Watts of power (even if you use the Samsung original 45W charger). And even that 25W will work with only with a PPS (Programmable Power Supply) charger (USB C to C PPS) - like the 25W Official Samsung charger. There are a few 3rd party maufacturers that make PPS chargers, but I haven't used any of them. I just went ahead and bought the Samsung one, as there was a good discount on it.
Any other charger you use will only work as a slow charger, or a fast charger (15W max) at best if it supports Qualcomm Quick Charge (QC3) standard. For 25W Super-fast charging (it's anything but super-fast, but that's what Samsung insists on calling it) you need a PPS charger, and I would recommend going with the original 25W Samsung charger.
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I'll go with the Samsung 25W charger then. Thanks by the way
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I'll go with the Samsung 25W charger then. Thanks by the way
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You're most welcome.
You can be unfortunate with any SOC in terms of die quality. Some people are simply SOL and end up with crap silicon which results in bad thermals and, if you're rooted, a restricted ability in overclocking or undervolting.
What people can't do is have a crap experience with the thermals on their S21 Ultra (or any other device) and talk as if it applies to every other device of the same model, as in post #3. It doesn't work that way.
one thing i did yesterday (btw may update did not fix the heating issue) was to disable the 5g - keeping in mind i live in an area where there is excellent 5g coverage)
as soon as i turned 5g off - the heating was gone, the battery life increased and the phone felt smoother
now this was also an issue last year on s20 - seems this year is the same
something about the 5g that makes the phone get really hot
try it and see if that works
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one thing i did yesterday (btw may update did not fix the heating issue) was to disable the 5g - keeping in mind i live in an area where there is excellent 5g coverage)
as soon as i turned 5g off - the heating was gone, the battery life increased and the phone felt smoother
now this was also an issue last year on s20 - seems this year is the same
something about the 5g that makes the phone get really hot
try it and see if that works
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Heating problem while charging is fixed after I started using the original Samsung charger. But I'm still experiencing problems with video calls A 20 minute video call (through Microsoft Kaizala) increases the temperature to 45°C I'm not sure what's the problem. I have turned off 5G as well.
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I haven't used the Mi charger. Tried with an old warp charger from OnePlus just for kicks and it doesnt super-fast charge the S21U. But that's becasue the propreitary fast charging standards used by different manufacturers are often incompatible.
After some research, I've found that the S21 ultra will not draw any more than 25 Watts of power (even if you use the Samsung original 45W charger). And even that 25W will work with only with a PPS (Programmable Power Supply) charger (USB C to C PPS) - like the 25W Official Samsung charger. There are a few 3rd party maufacturers that make PPS chargers, but I haven't used any of them. I just went ahead and bought the Samsung one, as there was a good discount on it.
Any other charger you use will only work as a slow charger, or a fast charger (15W max) at best if it supports Qualcomm Quick Charge (QC3) standard. For 25W Super-fast charging (it's anything but super-fast, but that's what Samsung insists on calling it) you need a PPS charger, and I would recommend going with the original 25W Samsung charger.
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As I'm still experiencing problems with temperature going up in video calls, is there anyway to log the cpu usage and thermals? Maybe that would help in finding out the culprit. The battery life is not that great either. I can't figure out how much SOT I'm getting since the battery page still shows "Learning usage patterns".
i think the heat during video calls is another issue - that is triggered by the actual video processing - i think you will notice if you turn the camera on for shooting a video (not live video calls) you will notice instant heating - i think that is also what is causing this - both frontal and rear cameras have huge sensors and the phone must do a lot of work to compress the live videos + data connection/wifi used during the video
i dont know the culprit but is defo related to the same issue why when taking loads of photo or long vids the phone get super hot
i mean i turn off my video during a call and the heating goes down pretty fast
all in all - it seems the same issues that plagues s20 exynos are still present in the s21 exynos - so not sure what improvements they made cz honestly is as bad as last year!!!
Hey guys, i live in Kuwait and now temps are reaching 45-50°.
I don't expect the device to cool itself and i try as much to avoid using it outdoors or in my car (i have a ****ty AC)
Otherwise while at home and gaming it never exceed 40° ever.
If you dig deep into when you are using and where you will notice.
5g also drain and push temps up waaay to much.
Volte is also a factor.
Btw these are in all phones not only the s21u.
Don't be fooled guys and don't hate the ohone, it's a phone with soo many things and features running simultaneously, it has no fans and no cooling except for the paste lol.
That's my way of looking at it, i might be wrong.
Btw my sister's iPhone 12promax does the same and reach hot temps when used out and camera together.
maharoof said:
As I'm still experiencing problems with temperature going up in video calls, is there anyway to log the cpu usage and thermals? Maybe that would help in finding out the culprit. The battery life is not that great either. I can't figure out how much SOT I'm getting since the battery page still shows "Learning usage patterns".
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That learning usage patterns will take a few days before it starts showing data.
For thermal logging and control you can use the Samsung Labs module called Thermal Guardian. If labs app is not available in your country, download finelock from play store and get it from there. Search for appx video on thermal Guardian on YouTube for installation details
Guys 40+ something temps are nothing. Just put on a cover, relax, and enjoy the warm beast your phone is.
There is a direct relationship between the amount of power used by a processor and its clock frequency. The higher the performance, the higher the power consumption and heat generated.
Samsung is teaming up with AMD on an improved SoC which is reported to make it's debut on the S22. Hopefully this will eliminate the ongoing defencies with the Exynos SoC.
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The only other Non-Samsung Smartphone which uses the Exynos Chip is Vivo. All others besides Huawei and a couple of Chinese Brands use Snapdragon which is pretty good indicator for the lack of confidence in Exynos SoC's
This heath issue has to do with my S21 ultra's reboot thing? Once a day...I noticed that,if I install some app outside google playstore(such as vanced etc), my phone will reboot by yourself once a day....
I have no heating issues with my Exynos. Sd 888 has very bad heating issues in all the phones that use it. Stop with the "inferior Exynos" bs already.
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This heath issue has to do with my S21 ultra's reboot thing? Once a day...I noticed that,if I install some app outside google playstore(such as vanced etc), my phone will reboot by yourself once a day....
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Look in settings to see if your phone is set to reboot once a day. If it's not, then you have a hardware problem.
Hello friends. I've just bought a S20 FE Snapdragon to my wife but I have a doubt about fast charge.
My 18W Quick Charge 3.0 and my 27W Quick Charge 4.0 don't work as I wished. They just do a normal charge.
I've read that Exynos Edition uses Samsung 25W charger, but what about the Snapdragon edition? Does it use this 25W charger? What about the 45W charger?
Thank you guys.
yes it supports up to 25watt charging, you have to turn it on yourself if it's not activated.
battery and device care / battery / more battery settings / enable fast charge
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yes it supports up to 25watt charging, you have to turn it on yourself if it's not activated.
battery and device care / battery / more battery settings / enable fast charge
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Thank you for the reply. I've search it and it's enabled by default. I tried an Aukey Quick Charge 3.0 18 W and worked. It says it's fast charge. It's not stellar but way better than 2+ hours.
even without fast charging I don't wait 2 hours
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even without fast charging I don't wait 2 hours
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I didn't try the 15w charger that comes in the box. What I think that was weird was my 27W Xiaomi charger charging with the time beyond two hours until it finishes.
Do you know if the 45W charger works?
nothing above 25watts will work any faster, the maximum current draw is 25watts if it works at all. not all fast chargers do work properly, that might explain your Xiaomi 2hrs plus.
the phone and the charger need to be able to communicate with each other / be running on the same standard.
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nothing above 25watts will work any faster, the maximum current draw is 25watts if it works at all. not all fast chargers do work properly, that might explain your Xiaomi 2hrs plus.
the phone and the charger need to be able to communicate with each other / be running on the same standard.
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Thanks for the enlightment. That's sad. Even my mother's Poco X3 comes with a 33W beast charger.
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Thanks for the enlightment. That's sad. Even my mother's Poco X3 comes with a 33W beast charger.
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that's obviously one of the areas where they saved money to make the phone cheaper I guess.
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that's obviously one of the areas where they saved money to make the phone cheaper I guess.
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Yes man. That's even sad because they put a beast like a Snapdragon 865 on it.
I am satisfied with original 15W charger: 11%~100% in 1h20m is decent speed and at the same time low stress for battery.
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I didn't try the 15w charger that comes in the box. What I think that was weird was my 27W Xiaomi charger charging with the time beyond two hours until it finishes.
Do you know if the 45W charger works?
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Thank you, I was thinking of buying the Mi 27W SonicCharge, now that it doesn't support, looks like we are mostly left with the OEM charger from Samsung only.
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Thank you, I was thinking of buying the Mi 27W SonicCharge, now that it doesn't support, looks like we are mostly left with the OEM charger from Samsung only.
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True. I just bought a Samsung 25W super fast charge to my Snapdragon 865 and worked. I'll buy one for my father that uses an Exynos SoC too. It's sad to spend money with something like that.
I use the Samsung 20 w brick. When fast charging it get about 2%@minute.
Fast charging will not engage if the start temperature is too low or high.
If the battery has failed*.
Fast charging ramps down at around 80% to slow charging or if battery temperature goes to high. If temperature continues to climb above 102 F or so it will disengage entirely and end that charge cycle.
After 90% the charge rate crawls at as little as 1%@2 minutes.
* check for rear cover bulging. A battery can fail at any time but it's more likely to happen in an older degraded cell. Failures can happen fast, replaced asap, like that same day, if this happens. It can destroy the phone.