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Hello everyone,
I was so pumped to get the Note 4 and I even pre ordered one. The problem is when I found that my country will get the Snapdragon version. After looking all over the web its clear that the Exynos 5433 is a winner this time and it beats the SC805 by a noticeable score in benchmarks.
Now you might say that benchmarks means nothing and it won't matter BUT the Exynos is 20nm 64bit processor. This mean it will be better when Android L comes out which will support the 64bit. Also since its coming with 20nm vs the 28nm from Snapdragon, it should run efficiently and produce less heat from gaming and heavy use.
What is your thought?
Exynos 5433-powered Samsung Galaxy Note 4 benchmarked - GSMArena.com news
samsung SM-N910F vs samsung SM-N910C - Geekbench Browser
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
cillerbee said:
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Exynos has big.LITTLE, you should read about it
cillerbee said:
It definitely slowed down my decision but the general consensus is that though the exynos version supports 64 bit it will be locked to 32 bit by Samsung so as not to cause an uproar with the North American Snapdragon users. However there is still an increase in performance in the Exynos version @ 32 bit compared to Snapdragon so really what it comes down to IMO is whether you mind not having LTE Speeds in NA.
Just a heads up there is a rumor floating around about the Snapdragon and Exynos having different Rear Camera Sensors so that needs some further prodding as well.
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Lodix said:
Exynos has big.LITTLE, you should read about it
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what do you mean by big, little ?!
No, i would be happy with either of the two. I would prefer Exynos maybe, because i am using Exynos Tab S 8.4 and all my previous Galaxy phones were Snapdragons. BUT difference is not that big and i am sure that both work the same.
Today I saw it in my carrier's site and for first time they will sell Exynos model.. All Notes before were Snapdragon in Bulgaria.. And I was sceptical about it.. Then I read here what's better, and most people say Exynos is better and the camera is with better sensor.. Hope they are right.
Yathani said:
what do you mean by big, little ?!
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The Octacore version has 2 different clusters, one with 4 cores Cortex A53 which are very efficency and the other has 4 cores Cortex A57 which are very powerfull but use a lot of power, so depending on the load in the CPU it will use a combination of them to be the most balance as possible.
Lodix said:
The Octacore version has 2 different clusters, one with 4 cores Cortex A53 which are very efficency and the other has 4 cores Cortex A57 which are very powerfull but use a lot of power, so depending on the load in the CPU it will use a combination of them to be the most balance as possible.
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I see now. I thought all of the 8 cores work at the sametime.
Thanks
Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Exynos and LTE 800 are you sure? I've been searching the web to find any information about a Note 4 Exynos that has 4G LTE 800 Mhz and I can't find anything!
How are you so sure your model supports it? And what is the model number do you know?
Yathani said:
what do you mean by big, little ?!
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big.LITTLE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
Apple supposedly uses it with their current SoC's.
roryh86 said:
Exynos and LTE 800 are you sure? I've been searching the web to find any information about a Note 4 Exynos that has 4G LTE 800 Mhz and I can't find anything!
How are you so sure your model supports it? And what is the model number do you know?
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I think he meant 1800?
Would be very interesting to find an Exynos with 800+2600 Bands.
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Yathani said:
I live in Qatar and the Exynos version support LTE bands here which are 800/2600. But as you mentioned the camera is another story as well.
What about the battery ? 8 cores vs 4 cores shouldn't the SC-805 have better battery life?
I can wait until Friday the 17th and buy it from Samsung retailer or buy it now off Amazon.com which doesn't come with warranty. I don't need the warranty since I root my phone and trigger the Knox.
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Would you mind taking a screenshot of the back of your Note 4 box and also which Qatar network carrier you with?
Wow thanks everyone I'm glad i made this thread. I was following some Amazon review who mentioned that he received the SM-N910U version and he listed wrong Lte bands that support it. Which he edited just now.
Also this website
http://www.atgsm.com/mobile/Product.aspx?id=2948
Which doesnt seems to be accurate after i tried to match the info with other websites with no luck.
I was looking at the International version which is SM-N910U but it doesn't look like it support 800/2600.
I'm very sorry guys for confusing you all.
Regards
Yathani
I take Exynos this time...and i am very happy with it...!!!!
jpbl1976 said:
big.LITTLE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
Apple supposedly uses it with their current SoC's.
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Apple doesn't use big.LITTLE.
Yathani said:
I see now. I thought all of the 8 cores work at the sametime.
Thanks
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They sometimes do.
http://www.mobileshop.eu/phablets/samsung/galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u/
Another website that say the SM-N910U comes with 800/2600 lte
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http://www.mobileshop.eu/phablets/samsung/galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u/
Another website that say the SM-N910U comes with 800/2600 lte
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They are wrong, if you check in website of Samsung in Hong Kong where they are selling the N910U, in the specs it miss LTE on 800.
I personally am leaning towards sd805 because of more xda support. Otherwise both models are good ( don't forget to check LTE for your region)
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They are wrong, if you check in website of Samsung in Hong Kong where they are selling the N910U, in the specs it miss LTE on 800.
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I only care about is 700mhz, so I bought 910U coz later on Australia will start use 700mhz for high speed network...
After being disappointed with a locked bootloader on my AT&T Note 3, I decided to not make the same mistake again. With Android L coming out with 64bit CPU support and with 20nm die size it looks Exynos is the winner. Yes, Snapdragon was more popular before, but I'm pretty sure 64bit will be the hot topic with Note 4 development.
So what you came here to see. I found this wiki page detailing all the bands and processor information for different devices:
http://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/삼성_갤럭시_노트_4
It shows bands 4 and 17 (among others). Now, that wasn't enough proof for me so I started searching some more and got the FCC data for N910C.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=544347&fcc_id=A3LSMN910C
You can check out LTE Test Reports 1 and 2. It shows LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17 on the first report. The second is just more technical data.
I didn't see anything about band 12. Sorry T-Mobile users.
If anybody finds any information about purchasing one, please share.
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.)
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
LTE on Exynos for AT&T in the US has been a sticking point for me, I will be following this thread with great interest, thanks.
Why don't just go for N910U ?
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
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Lodix said:
Why don't just go for N910U ?
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No support for band 17 (700mhz).
arjun90 said:
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
The FCC states tests were conducted on a pre-production unit with the 910C being the Base Model. I really do hope the 910C is an international LTE Unlocked Variant similar to the 910F; otherwise, the 910F would have to do.
The 910C contains the latest Wolfson DAC.
CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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You're right; Samsung intended the latest Exynos model to be half-baked with no support for the 64-bit architecture. The same applies to Dell's Venue 8 Pro Windows tablet, which contains a 64-bit CPU, but OS is strictly 32-bit. Petition anyone?
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE"]samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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It supports band 700.
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
colster1000 said:
But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
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Lodix said:
It supports band 700.
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
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well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
Samsung Malaysia will release the SM-910C model this 17th Oct....initially I was going to wait for the 910F variant from europe or middle east..due to lte bands i needed most. Thanks to this thread I can now go home and do some shopping...thanks
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CLShortFuse said:
Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It says it supports band 700 but in B28, I guess it is not the same.
tmac31 said:
well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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And don't forget, general message to all: Andrei has a campaign (below) to get him a -C Exynos to develop Perseus. If Perseus has worked as well for you as it has for me in the past, please consider donating, and we'll get Perseus going for Note 4 Exynos as well.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device/x/8868000
Don't all the Exynos ones have the Wolfson DAC?
Sure your right the 20nm CPU should be easier on the batter and the Wolfson DAC is slightly better I think. I'm looking at an SM-910U from Hong Kong.
arjun90 said:
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Custom ROMs are just repackaged stock ROMS nowadays with minor changes here and there, anything you really want to do to it from a modification standpoint can be done with Xposed. Kernel development is where it is at, and frankly, there isn't a single kernel in Snapdragon land that comes close to touching Perseus for Exynos.
I want to buy a Note 4, but I am unsure which chipset I should go for. I want the exynos chipset, but I am very doubtful about it. My only question is: Why does samsung ship exynos equipped Note 4 to poor countries and the snapdragon version to richer countries? I doubt that the snapdragon equipped Note 4 may be better built, more reliable and more stable than the exynos one, but I am not sure about this. Some people complain about different issues, like screen tint, glass edge gap, etc. What do you guys think of this? Can you share your experiences and thoughts?
All the answers you seek are in the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
Quality between the two are pretty much the same, just different chips.
Exynos is also shipped to the middle east countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, I dunno if you can call them poor countries lol.
They only shipped exynos versions to poor countries? Lol thats the funniest statement i read so far
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Can OP give a link to where he/she got the statement saying exynos only ship to poor country??
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Exynos is much better for me, it depends on the user.. Lol.. I merely drop on the floor laughing for the poor country line.. Hahaha..
He is right UK, Germany , Italy, France, Spain and US all have snapdragon equipped Note 4
so maybe he have something in his statement
The nordics also get snapdragon so it does seem Samsung is shipping the exynos to third world countries and not risking it in developed countries.
Western and indrustrialised countries get the snapdragon, third world ones get the exynos, with very few exceptions. I myself want an exynos, but I know that in general the same product's quality (like the same car or the same clothes) differs depending on the country it is going to be shipped to. A friend of mine who works in an electronic service, repairing different electronic products also told me this from his long experience in that field. It's a fact, but I'm not sure if this is the case here.
exclass said:
I want to buy a Note 4, but I am unsure which chipset I should go for. I want the exynos chipset, but I am very doubtful about it. My only question is: Why does samsung ship exynos equipped Note 4 to poor countries and the snapdragon version to richer countries? I doubt that the snapdragon equipped Note 4 may be better built, more reliable and more stable than the exynos one, but I am not sure about this. Some people complain about different issues, like screen tint, glass edge gap, etc. What do you guys think of this? Can you share your experiences and thoughts?
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Errm, the UAE and New Zealand are certainly not 'poor countries' and as I understand the former got N910C and latter N910U, both Exynos.
Here in South Africa we got the Euro N910F Snapdragon, the Exynos N910C and the 3G only N910H, so what does that make us?
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Errm, the UAE and New Zealand are certainly not 'poor countries' and as I understand the former got N910C and latter N910U, both Exynos.
Here in South Africa we got the Euro N910F Snapdragon, the Exynos N910C and the 3G only N910H, so what does that make us?
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How much do these variants cost?
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How much do these variants cost?
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Here in SA? Between $910-$1045, the N910F being the most expensive and N910H being the least expensive of the 3.
That's BS. Am in Germany and I got the Exynos N910C. Unless Germany belongs to the poor countries[emoji85]
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Exynos is better SOC and period. I have no lag using TW, snapdragon version does....
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silicij said:
Exynos is better SOC and period. I have no lag using TW, snapdragon version does....
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My friend has galaxy S5 G900F for Europe (first world), with snapdragon 801 which was 50 euros more expensive than the one with exynos G900H (Galaxy S5 also has 2 chipsets, just like Note 4), not even the smallest lag. Yesterday he installed the official android 5.0 and it was so smooth and responsive. So I don't think that lag in Note 4 exists, maybe I'm wrong.
I bought in Slovenia version N910F, was using it for 7 days but I was really dissapointed with battery life of Snapdragon model, so I returned it and changed for N910C Exynos model.
I do it purposely because of two reasons:
Battery life and Exynos is 64bit SoC, thus it is not enabled yet, probably will be enabled in near future.
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My friend has galaxy S5 G900F for Europe (first world), with snapdragon 801 which was 50 euros more expensive than the one with exynos G900H (Galaxy S5 also has 2 chipsets, just like Note 4), not even the smallest lag. Yesterday he installed the official android 5.0 and it was so smooth and responsive. So I don't think that lag in Note 4 exists, maybe I'm wrong.
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Don't even bother with this argument, there are people who believe the Snapdragon lags, leave them, not all of us have the same experience, its a pointless argument.
My goodness. The only real difference is baseband... If using Qualcomm baseband, there is financial incentive to purchase the whole SOC.
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I don't know why the OP thinks Samsung would vary the build quality by SoC, its all down to what country and networks they are shipping to, the setup the networks have, frequencies available in that country etc etc....
Some countries get both Snapdragon and Exynos, like here in SA, we got both variants from the GS4, Note 3, GS5 and now Note 4. I had a Exynos S4 and a mate had a Snapdragon S4, I couldn't even tell the difference until I went to About Device and saw that he had a I9505, build quality, UI speed, Display etc...Felt no different to my Exynos S4, same with Note 3, played with an Exynos in-store then a mate got the Snapdragon from our network, again I felt no difference, its the very reason why I stopped being fussy about what SoC variant I get.
So OP, if you want Exynos then get it, its build quality is the same as the Snapdragon, unless you are unlucky and get one from a bad batch.
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I don't know why the OP thinks Samsung would vary the build quality by SoC, its all down to what country and networks they are shipping to, the setup the networks have, frequencies available in that country etc etc....
Some countries get both Snapdragon and Exynos, like here in SA, we got both variants from the GS4, Note 3, GS5 and now Note 4. I had a Exynos S4 and a mate had a Snapdragon S4, I couldn't even tell the difference until I went to About Device and saw that he had a I9505, build quality, UI speed, Display etc...Felt no different to my Exynos S4, same with Note 3, played with an Exynos in-store then a mate got the Snapdragon from our network, again I felt no difference, its the very reason why I stopped being fussy about what SoC variant I get.
So OP, if you want Exynos then get it, its build quality is the same as the Snapdragon, unless you are unlucky and get one from a bad batch.
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I don't know man. I opened this thread for opinions. I am also not talking about huge differences in quality, but today I went to a shop and took a look at a Note 4 N910H (Asia Pacific) and I wasn't very happy about the screen. Its white turned cyan with very small rotations of the phone. Its glass was also a bit edgy at one corner (very little though, not visible if you don't check for it). I can only compare it to my friend's S5 G900F (Europe), which's display doesn't have the color issue. I also know that not every Note 4 has these ''problems''. It may just be just a coincidence though.
It is more about gsm. Specifically the available bands in your country. Thus why some countries get more than one variant.
As far as build quality, I would say the Korean ones are probably better binned overall, but not necessarily true. You would probably get a better screen if made in Korea. Other variables are involved. Seems the note4 snapdragon soc is shipping with mostly higher binned SOC's compared to previous phones with older snapdragons. I am not sure how well the exynos is binned as far as soc. Not many people updated their bin #'s in that thread.
I've read that Snapdragon 835 performs better in the Note8 than the Exynos chip so I'm interested in getting Snapdragon... so long as it has an unlocked bootloader.
I know for the regular S8 phones you can get the Hong Kong edition that comes with the 835 and an unlocked bootloader... does anyone know if that's still the case with the Note8?
samlazaz said:
I've read that Snapdragon 835 performs better in the Note8 than the Exynos chip so I'm interested in getting Snapdragon... so long as it has an unlocked bootloader.
I know for the regular S8 phones you can get the Hong Kong edition that comes with the 835 and an unlocked bootloader... does anyone know if that's still the case with the Note8?
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I'd check your sources mate
The Exynos chip outperforms the snapdragon is most situations
And hear we go...... 1st I like snapdragon it been good for me and it has cdma and gsm Abilities. Exynos don't but don't quote me on that. Yes exynos have unlock bootloader and snapdragon dont... It is not Samsung's fault is the Carrier's fault.. You see if the bootloader and was on unlock, you could take your note phone to any carrier you want to. So the carrier would lose money a lot... It just there to keep you in the loop .. but please let's Answer this man's question
Ry2mkk said:
I'd check your sources mate
The Exynos chip outperforms the snapdragon is most situations
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Generally true but in this case the Snapdragon slightly edges the Exynos in performance (benchmarks) but Exynos showing better efficiency.
They are very close though, not something anyone would be able to notice.
To answer the question I doubt we will see a Snapdragon unlock but I certainly hope so.
milan187 said:
Generally true but in this case the Snapdragon slightly edges the Exynos in performance (benchmarks) but Exynos showing better efficiency.
They are very close though, not something anyone would be able to notice.
To answer the question I doubt we will see a Snapdragon unlock but I certainly hope so.
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All the benchmarks i have seen this isnt the case ? Could you provide a link ?
https://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-note-8-benchmarks-hint-at-something-interesting-14494981/
Its the same as how it was with the Galaxy S8 and S8+...Exynos performed better.
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And hear we go...... 1st I like snapdragon it been good for me and it has cdma and gsm Abilities. Exynos don't but don't quote me on that. Yes exynos have unlock bootloader and snapdragon dont... It is not Samsung's fault is the Carrier's fault.. You see if the bootloader and was on unlock, you could take your note phone to any carrier you want to. So the carrier would lose money a lot... It just there to keep you in the loop .. but please let's Answer this man's question
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Hi, sorry but you're wrong. In my country (Algeria) all band it's cdma and all Samsung (like s8 or note 8) have exynos and work like a charm. I speak about original Samsung house. And of course I have the note 8 exynos and for me it's better than snapdragon... So exynos it's compatible with gsm and cdma
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Hi, sorry but you're wrong. In my country (Algeria) all band it's cdma and all Samsung (like s8 or note 8) have exynos and work like a charm. I speak about original Samsung house. And of course I have the note 8 exynos and for me it's better than snapdragon... So exynos it's compatible with gsm and cdma
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None of the networks in Algeria (Djezzy, Mobilis or Ooredoo) use CDMA, they're all GSM based.
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None of the networks in Algeria (Djezzy, Mobilis or Ooredoo) use CDMA, they're all GSM based.
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Of course but all phone is CDMA compatible and exynos
He speaking about phone he say exynos don't support CDMA
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And hear we go...... 1st I like snapdragon it been good for me and it has cdma and gsm Abilities. Exynos don't but don't quote me on that. Yes exynos have unlock bootloader and snapdragon dont... It is not Samsung's fault is the Carrier's fault.. You see if the bootloader and was on unlock, you could take your note phone to any carrier you want to. So the carrier would lose money a lot... It just there to keep you in the loop .. but please let's Answer this man's question
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I had an unlocked Int'l exynos Note 5 and it worked on At&t gsm phone. I'm currently using the Note 8 snapdragon unlocked version on At&t. I can use this phone on any carrier in the US. Unlocked doesn't mean the bootloader is unlocked. The unlocked snapdragon Note 8 bootloader is locked and that maybe at the demand of the US major carriers..... not sure.
Performance Comparison
Here is the link comparting 835 to the 8895:
anandtech.com/show/11540/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos-versus-snapdragon
It’s only when running system-level tests such as PCMark, which runs more realistic workloads that use standard Android API calls, where these effects become evident and where we see a noticeable difference in performance between the two S8 models. The S835 S8 performs almost 30% better than the E8895 model overall in PCMark, with a 49% advantage in the Writing test where thread migration between the little and big clusters plays a prominent role.
...If you’re upgrading from a previous Android or Galaxy phone, especially one that predates the S7, the Galaxy S8’s performance and battery life will not disappoint, no matter which SoC is used. Between these two, however, across all of the tests I've run, the S835 model is certainly the better of the two in terms of those metrics.
If anyone knows about the bootloaders of the Hong Kong model, please let me know!
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I'd check your sources mate
The Exynos chip outperforms the snapdragon is most situations
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See post #10 below for source (Anandtech). I know historically that was the case, but apparently with the 835 it's a different story.
samlazaz said:
See post #10 below for source (Anandtech). I know historically that was the case, but apparently with the 835 it's a different story.
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Ah ok
Well. That sucks!
Suprising.
The F version is the snapdragon version, right? Or is the F version Exynos now?
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And hear we go...... 1st I like snapdragon it been good for me and it has cdma and gsm Abilities. Exynos don't but don't quote me on that. Yes exynos have unlock bootloader and snapdragon dont... It is not Samsung's fault is the Carrier's fault.. You see if the bootloader and was on unlock, you could take your note phone to any carrier you want to. So the carrier would lose money a lot... It just there to keep you in the loop .. but please let's Answer this man's question
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If the carriers were the principal then the unbranded variant of the Snapdragon note 8 wouldn't be locked.
It's not the carriers, it's Qualcomm.
Not to detract from our current root, but is there anything that we can do as far as development towards unlocking our bootloader or are we basically just waiting (hoping) for a devleak? Sorry for my ignorance I haven't been following xda as much these days
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Not to detract from our current root, but is there anything that we can do as far as development towards unlocking our bootloader or are we basically just waiting (hoping) for a devleak? Sorry for my ignorance I haven't been following xda as much these days
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It seems technically possible but rather unlikely. I found this article on the S7 that's an interesting read: https://www.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7-bootloader-lock-explained-you-might-not-get-aosp-after-all/
What, Seriously?
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It's not the carriers, it's Qualcomm.
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Never heard of this dating back to GingerBread. Perhaps the SoC or Modem, but never relating to the BootLoader. I would appreciate a reference link on this. Very interested...
Apparently this can be done... Did not know...
Hong Kong versions are all snapdragon for the note8. Not sure what's going on with unlock and stuff for hk versions, seems to be nothing on the hk and Chinese sites on 835 unlock/root yet
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And hear we go...... 1st I like snapdragon it been good for me and it has cdma and gsm Abilities. Exynos don't but don't quote me on that. Yes exynos have unlock bootloader and snapdragon dont... It is not Samsung's fault is the Carrier's fault.. You see if the bootloader and was on unlock, you could take your note phone to any carrier you want to. So the carrier would lose money a lot... It just there to keep you in the loop .. but please let's Answer this man's question
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Umm bootloader has nothing to do with simlock. My Note has a locked bootloader but I am sim unlocked so I can go to whatever carrier I want, I just cant boot any rom I want.
Hey all. I am currently using a Galaxy S4 in the US and want to upgrade to the S10+ base storage and RAM. I will soon be going off to college so I plan to keep this phone for at least 4-5 years so I don't spend too much on a new one. I am torn between 3 different models, the Snapdragon, the Exynos Dual-Sim that will be available on Amazon, and the regular Exynos that I can get shipped from my relatives in India. I have a few questions though:
1. If I buy the Exynos models, will I still be able to get One UI 2.0 beta in the US? Since India always gets the beta, will I get it at the same time India does, or do I have to wait till the US beta opens? Will any other US features (except VoLTE and Wifi-Calling) be impacted?
2. I use T-Mobile. I read somewhere that the Exynos 9810 does not support the new 600mhz band for T-Mobile, so will the new one have support or no? This one really isn't that big of a deal just so long as I get LTE.
3. If I buy it from India, will my relatives have to put their SIM in it to activate it (does it have a regional lock)? If so, when I factory reset it, will it revert back to the regional locked state?
4. When will I get software updates? When the rest of the Exynos models get them?
5. What are the advantages and disadvantages of Exynos over Snapdragon besides OEM Unlock?
6. If I buy the Dual Sim model, is there good ROM support for it or only for the Single SIM Exynos?
For me OEM Unlock is a major option because of how long I will keep the phone. Thank you so much for your thoughts!
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Hey all. I am currently using a Galaxy S4 in the US and want to upgrade to the S10+ base storage and RAM. I will soon be going off to college so I plan to keep this phone for at least 4-5 years so I don't spend too much on a new one. I am torn between 3 different models, the Snapdragon, the Exynos Dual-Sim that will be available on Amazon, and the regular Exynos that I can get shipped from my relatives in India. I have a few questions though:
1. If I buy the Exynos models, will I still be able to get One UI 2.0 beta in the US? Since India always gets the beta, will I get it at the same time India does, or do I have to wait till the US beta opens? Will any other US features (except VoLTE and Wifi-Calling) be impacted?
2. I use T-Mobile. I read somewhere that the Exynos 9810 does not support the new 600mhz band for T-Mobile, so will the new one have support or no? This one really isn't that big of a deal just so long as I get LTE.
3. If I buy it from India, will my relatives have to put their SIM in it to activate it (does it have a regional lock)? If so, when I factory reset it, will it revert back to the regional locked state?
4. When will I get software updates? When the rest of the Exynos models get them?
5. What are the advantages and disadvantages of Exynos over Snapdragon besides OEM Unlock?
6. If I buy the Dual Sim model, is there good ROM support for it or only for the Single SIM Exynos?
For me OEM Unlock is a major option because of how long I will keep the phone. Thank you so much for your thoughts!
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To the best of my knowledge:
1. Yes. As for US features that depends on whether your carrier supports them on the international model.
2. You need to confirm with T-Mobile. The international model may not support all bands in the US, and vice versa
3. Nope, that shouldn't be a problem.
4. Software updates in the US are pushed through the carrier, whereas international models get them direct from Samsung. So the timeline for both may not be the same
5. Lot more development on XDA for the Exynos models, simply because they have an unlocked bootloader
6. They are basically the same with the exception of the second SIM slot. Almost all ROMs for the single sim variant should work for the dual-sim version too.
I have the EXynos Note 9 on T-Mobile usa and very happy with development, network, etc...
galaxys said:
I have the EXynos Note 9 on T-Mobile usa and very happy with development, network, etc...
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Did you get one ui since it is already available for exynos models?
mrao said:
To the best of my knowledge:
1. Yes. As for US features that depends on whether your carrier supports them on the international model.
2. You need to confirm with T-Mobile. The international model may not support all bands in the US, and vice versa
3. Nope, that shouldn't be a problem.
4. Software updates in the US are pushed through the carrier, whereas international models get them direct from Samsung. So the timeline for both may not be the same
5. Lot more development on XDA for the Exynos models, simply because they have an unlocked bootloader
6. They are basically the same with the exception of the second SIM slot. Almost all ROMs for the single sim variant should work for the dual-sim version too.
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Awesome thank you! I guess ill go for the dual sim on amazon just in case the indian one is regional locked.
tneot01 said:
Did you get one ui since it is already available for exynos models?
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Yes, I'm running one ui with Pie which made my Note 9 even better!
Still remember when my Galaxy S9 was preordered to later realise that the exynos variant suffered from severe battery loss due to soc design architecture.
Returned it within the 30 day window
S9 flopped
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Finally got Android P installed and the first thing I did was a erase cache within recovery mode.
Running super fast
Exynos will probably get root and unlocked bootloader. The Snapdragon will be locked down like a puppy. So if you care about root, or development, get the Exynos. If you don't, then the Snapdragon will do.
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Eudeferrer said:
Exynos will probably get root and unlocked bootloader. The Snapdragon will be locked down like a puppy. So if you care about root, or development, get the Exynos. If you don't, then the Snapdragon will do.
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Based on previous releases you should be able to get an unlocked bootloader on the Snapdragon variant from Hong Kong. Likely less custom ROM's but no issues with battery drain or overheating, plus early benchmarks reflect the Snapdragon out performing the Exynos Chipset.
varcor said:
plus early benchmarks reflect the Snapdragon out performing the Exynos Chipset.
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Where that at? All the ones I have seen show the opposite.
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Kaliaila said:
Where that at? All the ones I have seen show the opposite.
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A number of websites are reporting this, including Android Authority.
https://www-androidauthority-com.cd...apdragon-855-performance-benchmarking-942690/
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A number of websites are reporting this, including Android Authority.
https://www-androidauthority-com.cd...apdragon-855-performance-benchmarking-942690/
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I didn't see any part of that post that dealt with Exynos 9820 that is in the S10.
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Where that at? All the ones I have seen show the opposite.
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The Snapdragon 855 is also outperforming the newest Exynos 9820 in benchmark testing, including the CPU's. Likely most users won't be able to notice a difference with the exception of gaming. The Snapdragon looks to be vastly better optimized in this regard. Also, we'll have a better understanding for performance metrics once the chipsets are tweaked for final release.
https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject...w.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%2520%25251%2524s
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The Snapdragon 855 is also outperforming the newest Exynos 9820 in benchmark testing, including the CPU's. Likely most users won't be able to notice a difference with the exception of gaming. The Snapdragon looks to be vastly better optimized in this regard. Also, we'll have a better understanding for performance metrics once the chipsets are tweaked for final release.
https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject...w.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%2520%25251%2524s
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Except there are many sites getting the opposite results.
https://************/exynos-9820-be...ench-scores-almost-matches-apples-a12-bionic/
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Kaliaila said:
Except there are many sites getting the opposite results.
https://************/exynos-9820-be...ench-scores-almost-matches-apples-a12-bionic/
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For myself, unless S10/S10+ prices come in much lower than rumors suggest, these chipset comparisons won't mean much. Rumors suggest the S10+ with 512gb memory and 8gb RAM exceeds $1,400.00 USD. Not a player at that price but if I was, even if the Snapdragon 855 is anywhere close to the Exynos 9820, it would be my choice, particularly after seeing the battery drain and overheating issues associated with the Exynos devices. Sure, they'll always be the Exynos users stating they never experienced any problems however many users are/were affected as noted from postings here on XDA and elsewhere.
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For myself, unless S10/S10+ prices come in much lower than rumors suggest, these chipset comparisons won't mean much. Rumors suggest the S10+ with 512gb memory and 8gb RAM exceeds $1,400.00 USD. Not a player at that price but if I was, even if the Snapdragon 855 is anywhere close to the Exynos 9820, it would be my choice, particularly after seeing the battery drain and overheating issues associated with the Exynos devices. Sure, they'll always be the Exynos users stating they never experienced any problems however many users are/were affected as noted from postings here on XDA and elsewhere.
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All of the claims of $1300+ prices are based off of exchange rates for pounds not off of actual US prices. It will be under $1000.
Also, the UK has a 20% VAT which is built into their prices.
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Kaliaila said:
All of the claims of $1300+ prices are based off of exchange rates for pounds not off of actual US prices. It will be under $1000.
Also, the UK has a 20% VAT which is built into their prices.
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Not according to sources from Techradar and Forbes, $1,340.00 and $1,390.00 USD respectively. It looks as though Samsung is going to reap additional profits via memory upgrades. A difference in price close to $300.00 USD between 128Gb and 512Gb. Surely a big markup considering Samsung is the largest producer of memory chips. Guessing their actual cost difference between the two is less than $50.00. And these prices are for the 4G device. Projected increase for the 5G devices is around $200.00. We'll know for certain in a couple of weeks.
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Not according to sources from Techradar and Forbes, $1,340.00 and $1,390.00 USD respectively. It looks as though Samsung is going to reap additional profits via memory upgrades. A difference in price close to $300.00 USD between 128Gb and 512Gb. Surely a big markup considering Samsung is the largest producer of memory chips. Guessing their actual cost difference between the two is less than $50.00. And these prices are for the 4G device. Projected increase for the 5G devices is around $200.00. We'll know for certain in a couple of weeks.
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The sources for both of those articles are the UK prices I previously mentioned. And again the VAT was not removed. If there is any version of the S10 which will start above $1,000 it will be the Special Edition version as that will be the only one which comes with 5G in addition to it being larger in all areas (6.7 inches, 1TB storage, and 10-12GB of RAM).
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The sources for both of those articles are the UK prices I previously mentioned. And again the VAT was not removed. If there is any version of the S10 which will start above $1,000 it will be the Special Edition version as that will be the only one which comes with 5G in addition to it being larger in all areas (6.7 inches, 1TB storage, and 10-12GB of RAM).
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I wish you're right but not a chance!
Don’t get the exynos variant if you want a samsung flagship phone. Never.
In my opinion, flagship phones deserve a flagship soc, and that is not exynos.
Search google for:
Samsung Galaxy Note9 Performance & Battery Showdown: Snapdragon vs Exynos
And read through the AnandTech review.