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Hello World,
I bought a Galaxy Note 8 DUOS (two SIM cards) with 256GB internal storage and Exynos CPU - its the Hong Kong Version of the China Model from Samsung.
I tried in vain to flash European Exynos Firmware for LineageOS respectively Resurrection Remix onto it, but it just won't take (flash works fine with TWRP, but phone never gets to boot past the initial loader screen).
Now before I put back that humongous (3+GB!) Samsung HK crap onto it, I wanted to check one last time if there is or isn't a custom Firmware available for this model?
I would prefer RR, but pure LOS would also do.
Xda has a very good search engine, there's a Note 8 roms section,...
You might learn something along the way.
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Just a question...
I've got the 9500 as well. Mine is from HK as well but it's a Snapdragon.
Are you sure yours is an exynos? Please double check. Wouldn't want you screwing the phone up.
Dejan Sathanas said:
Xda has a very good search engine, there's a Note 8 roms section,...
You might learn something along the way.
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Please *not* in this patronizing tone.
You might think of yourself as the great "know it all", but your assumption that I am asking this question because I am too lazy (or too stupid) to utilize a search engine first, is truly denigrating.
And I have been an IT engineer for three decades, a Linux user for 15 and an Android user for over 5 years by now.
So I recon I already have "learned something".
charmz2k2 said:
Just a question...
I've got the 9500 as well. Mine is from HK as well but it's a Snapdragon.
Are you sure yours is an exynos? Please double check. Wouldn't want you screwing the phone up.
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I went by the info that the Snapdragon is sold exclusively in the States (sorry, but the article is in German):
http://www.areamobile.de/news/43095-samsung-galaxy-s8-glaubensfrage-snapdragon-versus-exynos
And elsewhere I found the info that the Duos sold in HK is based on the Exonys.
I also "confimed" this via the device's ID number on an Asian website.
But given that I am currently not able to boot into the system (stuck @twrp), I might be assuming stuff here.
In any case, I located and tried two different custom firmwares I found on XDA for the N8 and they were all for various models of the N95xx *except* the 9500 (wasn't listed). And none worked.
I also searched for custom firmware specific to the N9500 Duos on XDA, Google and even some websites I normally wouldn't even want to download shabby videos from, but I found none.
So now I am about to flash back the stock Samsung HK firmware to it, but that would be my least favored choice.
Masinissa said:
I went by the info that the Snapdragon is sold exclusively in the States (sorry, but the article is in German):
http://www.areamobile.de/news/43095-samsung-galaxy-s8-glaubensfrage-snapdragon-versus-exynos
And elsewhere I found the info that the Duos sold in HK is based on the Exonys.
I also "confimed" this via the device's ID number on an Asian website.
But given that I am currently not able to boot into the system (stuck @twrp), I might be assuming stuff here.
In any case, I located and tried two different custom firmwares I found on XDA for the N8 and they were all for various models of the N95xx *except* the 9500 (wasn't listed). And none worked.
I also searched for custom firmware specific to the N9500 Duos on XDA, Google and even some websites I normally wouldn't even want to download shabby videos from, but I found none.
So now I am about to flash back the stock Samsung HK firmware to it, but that would be my least favored choice.
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Oh no... What a pain...
I think HK and China ones for 9500 are Snapdragon...
Hope you get it sorted.
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charmz2k2 said:
Just a question...
I've got the 9500 as well. Mine is from HK as well but it's a Snapdragon.
Are you sure yours is an exynos? Please double check. Wouldn't want you screwing the phone up.
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One more info: I tried the Notorious kernel and its install screen specifically lists the compatible model versions and the N9500 is *not* in that list.
Since the XDA Lineage OS & RR ports are based on the Notorious kernel, it seems all but certain now that the HK model isn't supported by the XDA custom firmware.
So I'll stop with Notorious now and will instead flash myself all the way back to the shores of Honk Kong bay
Masinissa said:
One more info: I tried the Notorious kernel and its install screen specifically lists the compatible model versions and the N9500 is *not* in that list.
Since the XDA Lineage OS & RR ports are based on the Notorious kernel, it seems all but certain now that the HK model isn't supported by the XDA custom firmware.
So I'll stop with Notorious now and will instead flash myself all the way back to the shores of Honk Kong bay
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N9500 IS Snapdragon! Try downloading "systeminfo" from Google and that should confirm!
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Dejan Sathanas said:
Xda has a very good search engine, there's a Note 8 roms section,...
You might learn something along the way.
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The fact you take the time to post this says alot. Why don't YOU try to use the search function to the question that was asked and see what YOU learn, jackass.
robmeik said:
N9500 IS Snapdragon! Try downloading "systeminfo" from Google and that should confirm!
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I first have to flash myself back into a working system with the latest HK firmware.
But by now I am all but certain, that the info from that tech article (in German) was wrong, where they stated that N8 models sold outside the States were (all) based on Exonys. Well, they actually said, that only models sold in the US were based on Snapdragon. Fact is that I could not find *any* Exonys custom firmware that would be flashable onto my device - and I did a lot(!!) of searching about this. For me that means it must be Snapdragon.
Now my plan B is to get back to firmware, keep the darn thing rooted and then rip out as much of the Samsung crap as possible manually.
Is there any list which services and system apps are safe to remove on a stock firmware N8 9500?
Masinissa said:
I first have to flash myself back into a working system with the latest HK firmware.
But by now I am all but certain, that the info from that tech article (in German) was wrong, where they stated that N8 models sold outside the States were (all) based on Exonys. Well, they actually said, that only models sold in the US were based on Snapdragon. Fact is that I could not find *any* Exonys custom firmware that would be flashable onto my device - and I did a lot(!!) of searching about this. For me that means it must be Snapdragon.
Now my plan B is to get back to firmware, keep the darn thing rooted and then rip out as much of the Samsung crap as possible manually.
Is there any list which services and system apps are safe to remove on a stock firmware N8 9500?
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From what I have read you'll have difficulty in getting back to anything "normal" I think a rooted Snapdragon can only charge to 60% and once rooted all "secure" features are made redundant! That's why I have steered clear of rooting and anyway with the new software there's not that much that rooting enhances as far as I can see from my reading into the many threads on xda and other android related forums!
I was reading somewhere on here about getting rid of (freezing) some Samsung apps with out rooting though ... I'm leaving mine as it is as I'm happy with what I have!
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From what I have read you'll have difficulty in getting back to anything "normal" I think a rooted Snapdragon can only charge to 60% and once rooted all "secure" features are made redundant! That's why I have steered clear of rooting and anyway with the new software there's not that much that rooting enhances as far as I can see from my reading into the many threads on xda and other android related forums!
I was reading somewhere on here about getting rid of (freezing) some Samsung apps with out rooting though ... I'm leaving mine as it is as I'm happy with what I have!
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As a power user I happen to disagree as far as the usefulness of "rooting" is concerned.
Whilst that should never be a concern for "normal" users, even something as basic as changing those abysmal write blockages on the external SD card requires access to the stuff under the hood.
The same goes for using many of Chainfire's tools or being able to perform true full device backups *locally* (I would never entrust my data to the Samsung cloud).
And as far as the Snapdragon charging issue is concerned, last thing I read was this is now at 95-98%.
And since I used an official Samsung method to unlock the BL, I might not be affected by that at all.
In any case, I am sure I could compensate for those 5-3% in loss with a proper CPU governor (=root access).
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As a power user I happen to disagree as far as the usefulness of "rooting" is concerned.
Whilst that should never be a concern for "normal" users, even something as basic as changing those abysmal write blockages on the external SD card requires access to the stuff under the hood.
The same goes for using many of Chainfire's tools or being able to perform true full device backups *locally* (I would never entrust my data to the Samsung cloud).
And as far as the Snapdragon charging issue is concerned, last thing I read was this is now at 95-98%.
And since I used an official Samsung method to unlock the BL, I might not be affected by that at all.
In any case, I am sure I could compensate for those 5-3% in loss with a proper CPU governor (=root access).
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As a power user who uses my phone normally I feel that the latest developments in the operating system don't need endless tweaking! It seems that so many users now just tweak for the sake of tweaking rather than enjoying what their communication device has to offer!
I bought a 256Gb dual sim device as I didn't want problems with sd cards and I'm OK with backing up to the Samsung cloud ... but hey, that's just me a simple normal user who has been using Android since it began and was very much into tweaking in the early days as there was so much improvement to be had through rooting.
OK I use Nova rather than Touchwiz (but that's improved dramatically) and my main grip of adverts is now minimised by using "paid for" apps where possible and Samsung's own Internet app is very efficient at stopping adverts!
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robmeik said:
As a power user who uses my phone normally I feel that the latest developments in the operating system don't need endless tweaking! It seems that so many users now just tweak for the sake of tweaking rather than enjoying what their communication device has to offer!
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It got nothing to do with "tweaking", but with overcoming intentional crippling of the device done by Google and Samsung together.
And for me a "power user" is not defined by someone who use his device often or has a lots of software on it, but by someone who insist on getting every ounce of possibility out of the hardware he paid good money for.
W/o root I can not decently mount ISO images or foreign file systems via SSH. W/o root I can not link across file systems or mount folders where *I* want them to be. W/o root I got no chance to alter the boot up behavior of the phone and I most certainly have no influence over anything running on it with "system" privileges.
I paid enough cash for my N8 for three new Laptops and in return I am supposed to be a devout little penguin who accepts any data stealing crap running in the background, any forced update Samsung pushes down my throat, learn to live with any security hole they won't patch and not be able to use my phone in ways *they* don't want me to?
If it be up to Google I wouldn't even be allowed to save YouTube Videos locally. For me being a "power user" means "being in power" - nothing more, nothing less.
since you are on snapdragon and you have been trying to flash exyno stuff, just wipe and you will be able to boot phone. i doubt any files were acctualy flashed. also any odin firmware you may have tried would have also failed.
by not having a custom recovery and probably not root either i do not see why your device is non operational.
looks like you probably used thisor should have)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/how-to/guide-n9500-unlocking-bl-twrp-t3696103
anyways flashing back stock FW and following the steps in that link to gain twrp and root/magisk and xposed is all you need. custom roms have all of this baked in so you are not missing anything. maybe a few unique settings some have via rom control but nothing big.
but in the end its a shame a novice mistake was done by buying a snapdragon and tripped knox so you cant return it for a exynos.
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but in the end its a shame a novice mistake was done by buying a snapdragon and tripped knox so you cant return it for a exynos.
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Buying this phone wasn't a "novice mistake", as I looked for the HW specs first.
There are specific things I want to do with this phone - like using it as a portable PC replacement and building a cluster with my tablet and my CuBox - thus I went for the top HW specs.
And that model is the only one with DUAL SIM (or SDXC card), and 256 GB internal storage. Naturally I needed to root the darn thing to install all the stuff I want. Tripping KNOX was never an issue for me, as getting rid of stock firmware is always one of the first things I do. 64GB internal storage just wasn't enough for me, as I plan to install quite a few qemu and other "alternative" systems on it. I work as a consultant in Enterprise IT and I got to travel all the time because of that.
Now whenever I am not required to work with a company laptop I prefer to travel as light as possible.
Honestly speaking, the modern high end smartphones have at least as much computing power as a middle class laptop, the only limitations usually being storage speed and RAM size.
With the flagship N9500 these limits no longer exist so why should I still slug around another laptop (even if its a small one), if I can use my smartphone plus a WiFi cast dongle for private browsing, code testing and writing my invoices?
The mistake I made was to not take the time to verify the info from that tech article and thus to assume that, because my phone wasn't sold in the US, it couldn't be a snapdragon (and yes, originally I tried the firmware from that XDA post).
So now I gotta do it the hard way, flash back to stock Firmware and then "customize" that one manually.
Last info on this thread:
I was able to flash myself into a working phone, by downloading the latest Hongkong firmware from sammobile.
Then I used twrp to flash the extracted boot and system images (both are required, once you were foolish enough to try and install Exonys based firmware to it).
Now I am installing Magisk and just rip out anything "Samsung" from the darn thing by hand.
BTW, the BL unlock & TWRP install method for Snapdragon China phones (not US!) described here on XDA does not seem to have that battery issue described elsewhere, as it is not based on SAMfail.
robmeik said:
From what I have read you'll have difficulty in getting back to anything "normal" I think a rooted Snapdragon can only charge to 60% and once rooted all "secure" features are made redundant! That's why I have steered clear of rooting and anyway with the new software there's not that much that rooting enhances as far as I can see from my reading into the many threads on xda and other android related forums!
I was reading somewhere on here about getting rid of (freezing) some Samsung apps with out rooting though ... I'm leaving mine as it is as I'm happy with what I have!
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It will charge up to 80%.
this device has amazing specs but lack of software support. it would be amazing some custom pie or 10 roms
i don't need asus own features
i really like a pixel experience,los or omnirom the most stock android feeling rom( +120hz you will get a more buttery smooth experience)
please somebody create one
sources are available
even zenfone 6 has custom roms
Yes please !
Alessandro999 said:
this device has amazing specs but lack of software support. it would be amazing some custom pie or 10 roms
i don't need asus own features
i really like a pixel experience,los or omnirom the most stock android feeling rom( +120hz you will get a more buttery smooth experience)
please somebody create one
sources are available
even zenfone 6 has custom roms
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one problem is TWRP hasn't even been created... Yet. And yes there really is no software support... Yet
Swarai said:
one problem is TWRP hasn't even been created... Yet. And yes there really is no software support... Yet
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yes exactly i really hope somebody create a tpwr and rom because sources are out
It will be nice if this phone receives TWRP and custom roms.
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Didn't it JUST launch globally today?
Let's give it some time.
i really hope somebody create a stable tpwr since sources are available and the most stable rom out there like omnirom or pixel experience
preferred omnirom
IMO I don't believe it will receive support anytime soon. Unless ROG was able to convince your standard Android enthusiast that this isn't just a gaming device. People that purchase this phone are mainly interested in one thing, gaming, not development. So, ROG has to convince those types that this device is just as good as those others.
It will be interesting to have custom roms for rog. waiting also
ZeroKool76 said:
IMO I don't believe it will receive support anytime soon. Unless ROG was able to convince your standard Android enthusiast that this isn't just a gaming device. People that purchase this phone are mainly interested in one thing, gaming, not development. So, ROG has to convince those types that this device is just as good as those others.
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My thoughts exactly. Custom roms are awesome but they are generally made or ported to be used by a majority of the phones out there. If we got a custom rom ie. AOSP, who would code in the air triggers from scratch?
Having said that, the stock rom is quite good. I don't have the need to root it like I did with my Mate 20X to shrink down the gigantic icons/screen because by default Asus allows a lot of customization.
n1tro said:
My thoughts exactly. Custom roms are awesome but they are generally made or ported to be used by a majority of the phones out there. If we got a custom rom ie. AOSP, who would code in the air triggers from scratch?
Having said that, the stock rom is quite good. I don't have the need to root it like I did with my Mate 20X to shrink down the gigantic icons/screen because by default Asus allows a lot of customization.
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Apparently the American version doesn't have volte or voWi-Fi as well.. that, along with the fact that it doesn't support band 71, are big reasons why your normal or typical Android enthusiast/ developer is not going to purchase this device
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Apparently the American version doesn't have volte or voWi-Fi as well.. that, along with the fact that it doesn't support band 71, are big reasons why your normal or typical Android enthusiast/ developer is not going to purchase this device
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So does this apply to the Tengent games (CN) version too? I am getting the cheaper CN version and then going to flash the WW (Global) Rom, so essentially I guess I am asking is this a hardware omission, or is it ROM (software) based?
And how does this typically affect say a normal phone user?
It might get an update. As for band 71, I personally don't care because I won't use it all.
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So does this apply to the Tengent games (CN) version too? I am getting the cheaper CN version and then going to flash the WW (Global) Rom, so essentially I guess I am asking is this a hardware omission, or is it ROM (software) based?
And how does this typically affect say a normal phone user?
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As I understand it, it doesn't have to do with software or hardware, they just simply don't support volte of vowifi. In China, they do. So, it's not the device, but the companies choice. May be some restrictions that we aren't aware of, otherwise it doesn't seem like a very smart decision. I was all in until I heard this. 3G is going to be removed from our networks in the next few years, so voLTE is kind of mandatory. Even now, if I don't have voLTE, I can't make or receive calls. VoWiFi, that's beneficial if you're cell signal is low for whatever reason. Maybe you work below ground or in Faraday cage style buildings. Plenty of uses for it. As far as band 71, no, I probably don't need it. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't want it just in case. Always better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
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As I understand it, it doesn't have to do with software or hardware, they just simply don't support volte of vowifi. In China, they do. So, it's not the device, but the companies choice. May be some restrictions that we aren't aware of, otherwise it doesn't seem like a very smart decision. I was all in until I heard this. 3G is going to be removed from our networks in the next few years, so voLTE is kind of mandatory. Even now, if I don't have voLTE, I can't make or receive calls. VoWiFi, that's beneficial if you're cell signal is low for whatever reason. Maybe you work below ground or in Faraday cage style buildings. Plenty of uses for it. As far as band 71, no, I probably don't need it. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't want it just in case. Always better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
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This is wrong for TMO. It's in the SW. There's an option for volte carrier check on xiaomis phones. A simple dialer code disables this check, and volte works on TMO. I'm hoping there's a way we can do this on the rog 2. That, or a build.prop edit to enable it. There has to be a setting hidden that disables volte in us.
suzook said:
This is wrong for TMO. It's in the SW. There's an option for volte carrier check on xiaomis phones. A simple dialer code disables this check, and volte works on TMO. I'm hoping there's a way we can do this on the rog 2. That, or a build.prop edit to enable it. There has to be a setting hidden that disables volte in us.
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I've just been reading a little bit more up on it, and apparently, ASUS didn't pay the cell carriers in North America for provisioning costs. That's why it won't work. So, regardless of software, hardware or any other type of hackery, it won't work in North America.
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I've just been reading a little bit more up on it, and apparently, ASUS didn't pay the cell carriers in North America for provisioning costs. That's why it won't work. So, regardless of software, hardware or any other type of hackery, it won't work in North America.
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So is this just a bad/dumb move by Asus or what? I mean I honestly don't know if these omissions will affect me, all I know is I still own a Samsung until I get the Asus and was always able to use my Samsung phone how I wanted to use it
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
No
No
Very good
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Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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it all depends on what you install on it.
but for the last question stock is pretty good. especially if device has the latest firmware(software update)
Maky-313 said:
Hello everyone!
I am planning on purchasing a Note 9 which has just come up on discount locally. I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a few questions I have : ):
- Does the battery life of the Note 9 diminish greatly within a few months of usage?
- Does the stock Samsung UI start to lag a lot within a few months of usage?
- Stock camera app good enough or will need to install Google Cam app? If so, How good is google camera app on the Note 9?
Thank you for your time.
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Best way to charge is with a wireless charge pad overnight. That's a slow charge and very easy on the battery. By the end of my 12hr days of moderate talking/texting, the phone is at 80%, and then I use it all night (instead of tv) and it's at 50% when I go to bed. That's with auto brightness, the dark UI (night mode) and no added theme. Dark mode all the apps. It looks gorgeous. I've had it for about four months, and it's an amazing phone. No lag. VERY nice OS (Android 9 + OneUI). Camera app is excellent. Google Cam app would not be better. When you buy a Note9 new, do ALL the updates (Android 8 to 9 and all security patches) right away before installing any apps, and you will have a trouble-free system. Android 9 in most regions does not have call recording. A US unbranded Note9 is bloat-free and great for T-Mobile, because you still get wifi-calling and VoLTE, but for the other carriers, you lose those if you don't get their branded version. If you want to root your phone, you must buy an Exynos or dual-sim Snapdragon version. All US Note9 versions are bootloader-locked and will not root. Ain't happening. This is the first Android setup I've had where it's so good I don't need root (7 of my Androids are rooted and non-stock ROMmed). Note9 is better than Note10. The last great Samsung phone.
If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.
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If you're thinking about Sprint as a carrier learn Spanish. No way Jose. The device cant do voice and data unless you downgrade to Oreo and even then its wishy washy.
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CDMA has always been terrible.
Nah just this phone
ok thanks guys
It's really betweent his and the S9 for now.
No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.
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No lag at all running on firmware that orginally shipped with the Note 9 which is Android 8.1.
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Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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bat0nas said:
Why you're still on such an old firmware???
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Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.
I want to buy a 512GB Note9 International for Christmas or so, nice to see everyone is happy with the phone & the updates
dave678 said:
Easy. Becasue I hate Pie.
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Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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dave678 said:
Easy. Because I hate Pie.
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Don't go past Oreo Dave. There is more wrong past that than is immediately apparent. Most of the complaints at the play store about apps that used to work and don't anymore is based on not only Pie, but also play store updates that put you in iPhone prison. The apps at the Play Store had to be rewritten to uselessness to remain listed, which made apkpure.com my new friend to download previous versions of apps, and turn off Google Policy Updates at both the play store and my phone. Because I have the 960U, I had to flash to the US UNLOCKED U1 firmware and then disable updates in the configs by following these instructions. The forcing updates by US carriers and play store to strip functionality that protects you appears to be a US deep state driven thing because many nations won't put up with those restrictions and appears to be a U-model-only thing.
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.
Had zero issues after update.
When I hear people complaining about such things I tend to believe that the problem is not with pie+one_ui but with the people.
Yes there are exceptions.
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bat0nas said:
Have you tried it?
I really don't understand the haters.
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I have tried it multipe times whenever I go to Costco. By playing around with an S10 and Note 10 Plus and I still hate it.
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There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I think most app issues are from updating from 8 to 9 after apps were installed. Those with upgrade issues have done a factory reset then reinstalled apps and watched all those issues go away. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you must have call recording, better disable updates and stay on old software otherwise update without worry, and enjoy continued security updates.
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I just hate the look and no AM or PM.
gruuvin said:
There's a lot of opinions and hyperbole about Pie and OneUI on Note9. I've been running it since day one on Note9, and I have zero app issues. I like it much more than Android 8 + TouchWiz. Most of the justified dislike is around call recording. If you don't need that, then you can update without worry.
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I would agree with that. Actually, any app other than a dialer that leverages your contacts and call history is hamstrung or no longer works. On Android 10, they purposely killed call recording altogether. Since most calls go VoLTE, the calling parties are the only ones deprived of a record of their calls. Everyone else in the chain keeps a copy.
Android established its market by being the open choice, and actually the only choice for non-Apple after Steve Balmer pulled the plug on the Windows Mobile/Pocket PC. Even rooting was a normal option without permanently disabling the capabilities of your device. The progression has been to force IOS limitations upon Android, with more an more access to your private information by phone makers and Google. As with LTE-A, It's time for a non-proprietary mobile operating system that is beholden to its users instead of companies and governments. Vendors can plug their Touchwiz or whatever into that.
As for CDMA, Qualcomm used it as a product name because it incorporates cdma as a technology. The only reason GSM didn't go with it is CDMA as a product name and technology is because it was owned by Qualcomm. GSM service was poor, expensive, and impractical in many areas until later when GSM went to cdma. The EU legislated against CDMA, and this affected their orbiting countries. Developed countries went with CDMA, including the US, Japan, South Korea, Russia, etc., and even countries in the EU bolted GSM for CDMA. The defining moment came at 4G time when Sprint gained control of Clearwire, the owner of the new 4G, Wi-MAX. This caused Verizon to bolt Wi-MAX. Their clout plus the emerging Cingular/ATT network caused Sprint to realize they couldn't pull this off and they also bolted. That enabled LTE to gain critical mass and LTE-A to become the IP of cellular networks. With the problem becoming usable cellular bandwidth, and with a usable de facto worldwide standard for wireless communication, the FCC and similar organizations could now force out the 3G and earlier technologies that were tying up bandwidth. Because CDMA is locked to the wireless network vendor and cannot be shared, it is logical for it to be the first on the chopping block. There are no longer any Wi-MAX phones, but Clearwire, who was and is many years ahead, has gone on to provide the wireless matrix for many of the largest cities around the world with user technologies at their perimeter, of which 5G is one. GSM's claim to fame has never been one of technical superiority, it has been openness and interoperability. However, the US did something similar when it developed the DARPANET/INTERNET by not allowing proprietary protocols and building out IP.
When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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dave678 said:
I just hate the look and no AM or PM.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.
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When I updated my S7 to Oreo, I liked the improvements over Nougat, but there were still a lot of things with the OS that needed tweaking, with frameworks like Exposed or Substratum. But with third-party options like that, the problem is diverging development, late bug-fixes, and generally dealing with a certain amount of brokenness. I think Android+Samsung OS has evolved well, to the point where PieOneUI is the first system that I don't mind not rooting or need to heavily tweak. Dark mode is a big part of that. I HATE WHITE APPS. I think Android 10 with OneUI is going to be quite good.
All that said, I agree with IT, and I don't like the GOOG having this much control. I do wish we had a much more open and community driven OS.
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AM or PM? ruserious?
Now that you pointed it out, I might have to roll back to Oreo! Oh wait, I can look out the window.
To me, this OS feels like less is more. It's clean, it's laid out sensibly. (unbranded no carrier bloat + tmobile + Nova Prime also helps). There is a Note9 OneUI port for the S7, which has made my S7 almost perfect now.
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Ahh the old look out the window comment. You live in Alaska you're ****ed so you need AM and PM. Also it's on phones for years until the notch trend rolled in and they axed it. If it's useless then why did so many people beg Samsung to bring it back during the Pie beta test?
Hello. I am thinking of getting a Note 9 as my daily driver for the next several years, but I am a bit confused because of the many variants available. I want to use this thing for as long as I can, and modding is quite important to me on Android, so I want to ensure that the device variant I get will be most supported by 3rd party developers writing custom ROMs and other modifications. I am coming from a Xperia Z3, of which there are at least two main variants, and only the main single-sim variant (D6603) has had (and has) the most attention by developers, so this is where my concern is coming from.
On the forum the general line seems to be that if you want to do modding, then the Exynos devices are the way to go. I am buying from Europe so that is not an issue, but even then there are versions with 6GB or 8GB of RAM, and those come in single sim (N960F) and dual sim (N960F/DS) variants. I am reading that all variants are technically dual sim, so that probably also means that any custom software will be compatible with both variants, but I am most concerned about the difference between 6GB and 8GB devices. I am most interested in the 6GB variant, but I wonder wether one has been more supported than the other in existing custom ROMs and mods, and if there are any indications of that happening when future versions of Android will be ported over to the Note 9.
I would also like to know if the dual sim variants can mount two sim cards in addition to the MicroSD card, or if you necessarily have to swap one sim card to use the MicroSD.
Thank you
@omarelhajj97 there is no difference between the 6GB and 8GB models other than the obvious 128/512GB storage and 6/8GB RAM thing. Both versions have exactly the same firmware. If you want future proofing - get the 8GB model like I did
About your other question if you can use both sim cards and a microsd - by default no, you choose either 2 sims or 1 sim and 1 sd. But thanks to the following method you can use 2 sims + sd: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/themes/xposed-unlock-dual-sim-sd-card-t4085559
My advice would be against rooting the Note9 when you get it. It will be on the latest Android 10 OneUI 2.1 version which won't be outdated at least 2 years from now. And if you want customization try the official app GoodLock (since you're in Europe, get NiceLock or FineLock from play store and download and install GoodLock modules manually from apkmirror).
I am with @koragg97 on this one. Even if you leave your Note 9 running Pie with all the latest security updates, you have a excellent android experience. Rooting your device voids the warranty and you will loosing access to the Secure Folder and S Health
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I am with @koragg97 on this one. Even if you leave your Note 9 running Pie with all the latest security updates, you have a excellent android experience. Rooting your device voids the warranty and you will loosing access to the Secure Folder and S Health
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Secure folder and shealth can be patched though.
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Secure folder and shealth can be patched though.
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Rooting android these days are only beneficial to developers, who require Admin access to the entire directory of android. For everyday users modern releases of android right out the box is perfectly fine.
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Rooting android these days are only beneficial to developers, who require Admin access to the entire directory of android. For everyday users modern releases of android right out the box is perfectly fine.
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I think rooting is still worth it. For example I need the stock call recorder which you can't get without root on EU model and any other recording apps are nothing compared to the stock one. Also I like how Dr.Ketan provides quite some optimizations for his custom rom and I've always used his roms both on N8 and N9.
There are some great reliable developers here in xda imo.
xchatter said:
I think rooting is still worth it. For example I need the stock call recorder which you can't get without root on EU model and any other recording apps are nothing compared to the stock one. Also I like how Dr.Ketan provides quite some optimizations for his custom rom and I've always used his roms both on N8 and N9.
There are some great reliable developers here in xda imo.
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The first reason I root my phone within 2 weeks after I bought it was to get rid of ugly stock look. Just looking at the status bar is enough to make my eyes sore. Samsung never change it, just with android 9 they allow us to move the clock to the right, but that's all about it.
At the end everyone on each own. We have different views when we see things. Just because I think something is ugly doesn't means it is for others.
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My initial issue has been solved! I did some tinkering around with the APN settings and finally got my data to work outside of being on a phone call!! I still have issues flashing different firmwares and os's but that problem will be addressed later down the line.
If you make another Question thread about the Flash issues, you can drop a link here. I might be able to help
oh! thank you! i was initially trying to flash the unlocked u1 firmware onto a t-mobile based note 8 because of mobile data & hotspot issues but i was able to fix it. i'm still interested in root & trying to get a custom os installed. reminiscing on the days of dirty unicorns on my note 2
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oh! thank you! i was initially trying to flash the unlocked u1 firmware onto a t-mobile based note 8 because of mobile data & hotspot issues but i was able to fix it. i'm still interested in root & trying to get a custom os installed. reminiscing on the days of dirty unicorns on my note 2
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Cool. My Note 8 isn't my main smartphone anymore, but I didn't like putting Custom ROMs on there, because I found I was missing Samsung's Camera App and all their other cool features.
Kinda weird, I like the smoothness and simplicity of pure Vanilla Android, but all the cool little features of Samsung's OneUI. When I still used my Note 8, I just sticked with OneUI but rooted it for some additional freedom. (and for Custom Fonts and Systemwide Adblocking.. and YouTube Vanced. LOL)
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Cool. My Note 8 isn't my main smartphone anymore, but I didn't like putting Custom ROMs on there, because I found I was missing Samsung's Camera App and all their other cool features.
Kinda weird, I like the smoothness and simplicity of pure Vanilla Android, but all the cool little features of Samsung's OneUI. When I still used my Note 8, I just sticked with OneUI but rooted it for some additional freedom. (and for Custom Fonts and Systemwide Adblocking.. and YouTube Vanced. LOL)
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yeah i recently came across all the little apps for One UI, i just haven't messed around with them fully yet. but i am still interested in at least achieving root if possible
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yeah i recently came across all the little apps for One UI, i just haven't messed around with them fully yet. but i am still interested in at least achieving root if possible
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Just keep in mind Samsung phones have a physical security chip (Knox).
If you unlock the bootloader, that security chip will permanently show that your warranty is void (0x1). You also won't be able to use Samsung Pay, Samsung's Secure Folder anymore, and some other things which don't come into my mind right now...
Samsung Health too, for whatever reason. However for that app there's a tweak you can do in a system file called build.prop... lol
So, there are disadvantages you must be aware of.
There's also Google SafetyNet, which detects an unlocked bootloader & root. And it's been a cat & mouse game to mask/avoid this detection of an unlocked BL & Root from Google SafetyNet, and it sucks. Google and the manufacturers try their hardest to disincentivize users from using their phone in the way they like to.
I don't want to scare you away from making these adventures. It's just a bit rough at the moment for the Android Modding Community and I'm afraid it'll only get more locked up, until Android phones sorta become like iPhones (in terms of freedom).
Yeah, playing around with root and different roms would be fun but i've pretty much settled on how i have things set up with good lock and all of those features. i can't seem to get videos to work with lock+ tho, that option seems to be greyed out.