Ive noticed that the H symbol doesnt actually show hsdap availability. For example, when I have 3g signal but there is no data transfering I have a 3g symbol with arrow next to it, as soon as i start transfering data it changes to an H even if im connected to a 3g cell with no hsdpa functionality, (confirmed by a speed test).
Any ideas how to actually show whether i am in HDSPA coverage or not?
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Why do you say that your not in a HSDPA area or signal range? Just because your not getting really fast speeds? Most HSDPA speeds are from 300Kbs-1.5Mbs when that little 3G changes to H your are most deffen... getting HSDPA
well ive done speed tests when it says the H and it varies between 200 and 300 sometimes.
Is that normal?
Yes just because the Max Download speed is 3.6Mb that does not mean you will come any place close to that. there are so many factors that will throw the download speeds off hell the wind blowing from the west and not east the window being closed and not open you get the Idea
I've been confused by this as well and while speed is clearly better with the "H" on than with 3G, I never go above 450kbps which is a bit slow, 3G tops out at 340kbpw. I wonder how efficient the Qualcomm chip is for 3G+, I hear that Samsung i600 users are getting speeds of 600/700 in the same area.
I turned on my Tilt this morning and where the 3G icon used to be it is now a H icon all the time even if I am not connected to the network or downloading data. I have tried disabling HSDPA and reenabling it, but that hasn't worked. Disabling and reenabling the icon itself also doesn't get rid of the problem. I haven't installed anything. Does anyone know how to fix this or is this some kind of newly discovered radio bug?
Running on AT&T network.
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dont complain.. ur not stuck in H u now have full blown H in the area.. my girls 85 has full H now and so does my tilt
does this mean I have HSUPA too?
What exactly do you mean by full H? My download speeds didn't change at all
I am currently faced with this same stuck H issue.
I am running the stock AT&T ROM ver ... 1.62.502.0, Radio version 1.37.14.09
Sometimes when I travel to a particular work office I use dutty's 10 button Comm Manager to turn 3G off. This particular office is built like a fortress and I barely get signal inside. If I leave 3G on my battery is dead in a matter of hours.
So I turned 3G off for the first time since upgrading to this ROM, and later when I turned it back on I find I have a constant H indicator rather than the 3G I normally see.
Yes I am in an HSDPA area, but normally I would only see the H when downloading.
Yes, I use direct push with a hosted exchange server.
I've tried disabling HSDPA in KaiserTweak, and I get back to the 3G indicator ... But as you would expect my download speeds are limited to 300 to 400 kbit/sec.
With HSDPA enabled I average twice that, with bursts over 1mbit/sec.
Can anyone speculate why I have the constant H indicator now instead of only when downloading?
Everything still works, I just wouldn't mind knowing why I am seeing this change in indicator.
I have since found out that the the contant H icon is a result of AT&T upgrading their network. Since then, my download speeds have roughly doubled. Turns out the contant H is a good thing.
I went away on a business trip for a week and now upon returning I too am seeing the constant H, whereas previously I'd see 3G which would change to H and back when using data.
But that's not the part that is worrying me.
The problem I see is that the data connection is active all the time; it never drops. So besides the large H indicating HSDPA availability, once any data connection is made the 4 bars plus plus small triangle changes to 4 bars plus small H and *never* changes back. In the past I'm pretty sure the data connection would come and go as needed.
Is this bad at all? Seems like it would suck battery power to have the data connection active all the time. It's as if the KaiserTweak "always on: AT&T MediaNet" is stuck on (but I never actually did that tweak and it is actually disabled in KaiserTweak).
What's going on?
Have you done an upload speed test?
Apparently a constant H icon can indicate HSUPA support.
Little more info ... however finding a map of what was upgraded isn't that easy.
http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=158686
AT&T Nears HSPA
By Brad Smith
WirelessWeek - April 02, 2008
LAS VEGAS—AT&T will have all of its 3G markets enabled with the high speed uplink capabilities by the middle of the year, according to Hank Kafka, vice president of network architecture for the operator.
AT&T had 255 major metropolitan markets with W-CDMA/HSDPA at the end of 2007 and continues to add markets. Kafka said at a GSM Association roundtable on HSPA that AT&T expects to cover 350 markets with 3G by the end of 2008, including all of the top 100 markets.
The operator started installing HSUPA last year and now is in the process of rolling it out, he said. By mid-year, he said all of its 3G markets will have HSUPA. He says typical data rates on the downlink now are between 600-to-1400 Kbps with a peak of 3.6 Mbps, while the downlink typically is 500-to-800 Kbps.
There are upgrades for HSPA which take it as high as 14.4 Mbps and Kafka says AT&T is studying those. But he declined to say when or if AT&T will raise its data rates to those levels.
Kafka also said AT&T has seen significant data usage increases for customers using 3G.
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Yea, I have the constant 'H' as well, but I think it's the same as having a constant 'E', meaning that you're connected to HSPA and everything's good.
switching bands
switched bands sometimes helps changing the icons from edge to 3g,to disable HSDPA you need to disable HSDPA through kaisertweak,schaps advancedconfig or hsdpa switch whether cooked into rom or manually installed to switch back to 3g
My carrier had some little problems during the past weeks, aparently they were working on something. I sometimes, for short periods, did not have data connection or no servic at all. Now the problems are gone and a speedtest today showed that at my home, the download speed went from an average 1 Mbit to over 5 Mbit!
However, the H symbol won't go away anymore! It used to switch to 3g when not data was transferred. I assume that this will influence battery life.
Is there anything I should be worried?
From what I recall, H is faster than 3g, as long as your in a good signal area, the H will always be visable, it will only drop down to 3g if the area your in has no H signal... and if there is no 3g it will drop to a 2g signal... simples, having the H does not meen that data is being transfered!
I am aware of the different speed levels, what I experience now is that the H symbol stays all the time, whereas it used to change to 3g when idling even in areas with very good reception...
GMH24 said:
I am aware of the different speed levels, what I experience now is that the H symbol stays all the time, whereas it used to change to 3g when idling even in areas with very good reception...
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Wait, I don't get what you're saying. Let me clear it up:
Very good reception = H
Not so good reception = 3G
You want to see H (means HSDPA which is a a type of 3G data, but it's faster).
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Okay, I'll try that too!
I live in an area with very good reception and therefore the phone used to switch from 3g to H whenever data was transfered and back . Now, however, it stays on H all the time and does not switch back to 3g when no traffic occurs.
It is just a change in the pattern my phone behaves so I wanted to get some info on that...
Hi, it's your phone doing what it should by seeking the best signal.
H refers to HSDPA which is based on UMTS (3G). Consider it a 'turbo' version of 3G. It's sometimes also referred to as 3G+ because it's faster then 3G but not really 4G technology. The tower in your area most likely got upgraded to HSDPA that's why you don't see the 3G icon anymore.
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Not correct, he mentioned that his phone was using H on demand before, so the capability was there already.
The problem is that H mode uses more battery than 3G, which is why it normally only switches to H during data transfers instead of continously being on.
Possibly your provider made a change which forces your phone to stay in H mode. On hardcores homepage (see speedmod kernel thread) he describes a method to manually deactivate H mode if you want to play with it.
Hope that helps.
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seems to be the explanation... Suddenly I have ~6 Mbit, so almost unsurprisingly there had to be a catch
as for disabling H, it would be permanently so not quite an option. I guess, I'll have to live with it but nevertheless I'll call customer support..
Hspa and 3g are actually different technologies, but can be used on the same site and freq. If you have noticed that your phone is nowdays all the time showing H ( hspa ) and not in 3g like before it means that your carrier has expanded their hspa features and capacity of the network on that area. Main difference between these two tech is of course the speed and how network resources are shared between the users. In 3g you have dedicated ones, but speed limited and in hspa you are sharing the resources between other ones under that cell area. hspa is good if you are near by the cell and there is not too many users from battery consumption point of aswell from througput point of view, 3g is better if you are on the cell edge due to dedicated resources reserved only for you. Main point is, battery consumption of your phone depends mainly how you use your phone ,what kind of applications you have and how often those are connecting/contacted by the network.
Browsing in 3g sucks!
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For a while now (I'm not sure exactly when it started, maybe a week ago or so) my Nexus 6 has only been showing me "3G" in the status bar. It used to show "H" most of the time.
Didn't think much about it at first, but now I was wondering because I had a Moto X (2014) before and that phone *always* showed H and practically never 3G.
So I opened the *#*#4636#*#* menu and checked under Phone Information, there it says "UMTS" under "Network type". I think it used to be "HSPA" under that item if I was connected via HSPA.
At first I thought maybe my carrier had some kind of network problem, so I did a speed test for the heck of it. The weird thing is, I'm getting speeds of 7 Mbit/s down and 1 Mbit/s up. These are HSPA speeds. So I must be connected via HSPA after all?!
It's not a problem per se since I get the speeds I want, but I'm still a little anxious something might be wrong with my Nexus 6.
Anyone know if they changed the behavior of the indicator in the status bar or something? Or is this related to some setting that I'm not aware of?
A friend of mine with a Nexus 5 on the same carrier as me is still getting the "H" in the status bar (albeit living a few hundred km away).
Nexus 6, completely stock and unrooted.
I have LTE deactivated by the way, because even though we do get LTE coverage here, my plan doesn't cover LTE speeds. If I activate LTE, the phone changes to the LTE network. 2G (EDGE) is also working and displayed correctly.
Are you on Lollipop or Marshmallow? Quick story: I only get HSPA at school and it used to say H/H+ when I was on Lollipop. After updating to 6.0 it says 3G now. If you're on Marshmallow I think it's 100% normal and nothing to worry about.
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Are you on Lollipop or Marshmallow? Quick story: I only get HSPA at school and it used to say H/H+ when I was on Lollipop. After updating to 6.0 it says 3G now. If you're on Marshmallow I think it's 100% normal and nothing to worry about.
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I am on Marshmallow actually. Weird thing, though, is that my friend with his Nexus 5 on Marshmallow still sees H. Maybe they changed something just on the Nexus 6, but why would they? Plus on another forum someone said they still see "H" on their Nexus 6. I don't see it at all anymore.
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I am on Marshmallow actually. Weird thing, though, is that my friend with his Nexus 5 on Marshmallow still sees H. Maybe they changed something just on the Nexus 6, but why would they? Plus on another forum someone said they still see "H" on their Nexus 6. I don't see it at all anymore.
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I still see H, but very rarely. Maybe 3G is the new H+? So it goes E, H, 3G, then LTE now instead of E, H, H+, LTE like it used to?
When it says H in the status bar, it will say HSPA in settings > about phone.
When it says 3G in status bar, it will say UMTS.
3G will download up to 7.2 Mbps.
HSPA+ will do 21 Mbps
DC-HSPA will do 42 (21 on each channel) though I don't think we support this..
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I still see H, but very rarely. Maybe 3G is the new H+? So it goes E, H, 3G, then LTE now instead of E, H, H+, LTE like it used to?
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goes: GPRS, E (edge), 3G (UMTS), H (HSPA), H+ (HSPA+), LTE / 4G
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When it says H in the status bar, it will say HSPA in settings > about phone.
When it says 3G in status bar, it will say UMTS.
3G will download up to 7.2 Mbps.
HSPA+ will do 21 Mbps
DC-HSPA will do 42 (21 on each channel) though I don't think we support this..
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goes: GPRS, E (edge), 3G (UMTS), H (HSPA), H+ (HSPA+), LTE / 4G
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I see. I thought they were just using a new symbol for HSPA/HSPA+ in Marshmallow. I never saw 3G in my status bar on Lollipop. It was always H/H+/LTE.
just read the title to your thread.. just so that you know, H, or hspa, is 3G.
and speeds of 7mb /1mb are very slow hspa speeds, but normal 3G speeds. on H, and on tmo, i can see speeds up to 21mbps. and on H+, i can see speeds up to about 42mbps.
I've noticed something similar. Almost like the signal bar and type is sticking. Putting it into airplane mode often switches it back to how it used to be.
I also find the signal bars seem to be sticking too. Where I normally get full signal it sometimes shows lower (and at multiple locations).
No idea why, only since marshmallow.
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I see. I thought they were just using a new symbol for HSPA/HSPA+ in Marshmallow. I never saw 3G in my status bar on Lollipop. It was always H/H+/LTE.
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I sew 3G occasionally. It's rare because usually where there is 3G, there is HSPA.
simms22 said:
just read the title to your thread.. just so that you know, H, or hspa, is 3G.
and speeds of 7mb /1mb are very slow hspa speeds, but normal 3G speeds. on H, and on tmo, i can see speeds up to 21mbps. and on H+, i can see speeds up to about 42mbps.
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Technically, HSPA is 3.5 G.. It's an evolution of 3G, but as per my previous post, they are indicated differently both in the status bar and about phone.
OP is not seeing HSPA of it shows UMTS in about phone.
danarama said:
When it says H in the status bar, it will say HSPA in settings > about phone.
When it says 3G in status bar, it will say UMTS.
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Yup, thanks, that's what I thought it was.
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just read the title to your thread.. just so that you know, H, or hspa, is 3G.
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I do know that. I'm aware of all the intricacies of these more or less arbitrary names. Though I thought non-HSPA 3G wouldn't give you more than 384 kbit/s down, while HSDPA (no +) would give you up to 7 Mbit/s. That's what wikipedia and quite a few other sources say anyway. But what Google or whatever manufacturer shows you as "3G" and "H" and "H+" could be something different entirely, so...
The question is more or less, what does stock Android mean when it says "3G" and "H" in the status bar. It used to and still seems to be 3G == UMTS and H == HSPA. So in essence, I'm wondering why my Nexus 6 is never showing me any HSPA anywhere anymore. Is it a software issue (i.e. Android not showing the correct value, or Android not making the hardware connect to HSPA), a hardware issue (broken Nexus 6) or a carrier issue. The latter seems unlikely, at least in a general sense, since my friend on the same carrier still sees "H" in the status bar.
This isn't about how fast the network is or should be, but rather just if I'm looking at a hardware fault that I should be concerned about, since it just changed all of a sudden.
Amos91 said:
I've noticed something similar. Almost like the signal bar and type is sticking. Putting it into airplane mode often switches it back to how it used to be.
I also find the signal bars seem to be sticking too. Where I normally get full signal it sometimes shows lower (and at multiple locations).
No idea why, only since marshmallow.
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I've had that too. My signal indicator stuck at 0 bars indefinitely. Anywhere I moved it kept showing 0 bars, even at places that always have good reception. But I could still make calls and use data just fine. Airplane mode fixed that for me as well when I had it.
I've been through several reboots and Airplane mode switches so far though and HSPA (or rather the "H" in the status bar) isn't coming back for me.
Check your mobile data settings to make sure you're not limiting anything and check your apn too.. It's unlikely hardware.
Speed is useful. Your speeds are much too low to be HSPA so it's indicative that you really are connecting as 3G only.
Out of curiosity, for those that are seeing 3G appear at the top, you guys on T-Mobile? I started noticing this too as of yesterday. I work in a large commercial building where I can't get LTE yet (until at least T-Mobile flips the B12 switch) and typically I get HSPA(+). I thought it was coincidence that I started seeing 3G as of yesterday as there is some tower maintenance going on (at least that's what a T-Mobile RF engineer told me)
My phone is currently on 6.0 build MRA58K.
On a side note, has anybody else noticed their signal being worse since the 6.0 OTA? I'm getting at least -10dBm worse now vs my Nexus 7 LTE (running 5.1)
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Out of curiosity, for those that are seeing 3G appear at the top, you guys on T-Mobile?
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I'm actually on AT&T.
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On a side note, has anybody else noticed their signal being worse since the 6.0 OTA?
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I have also noticed a weaker signal and more time without signal (went from 0-2% on Lollipop to 9%+ according to the battery stats). I flashed the factory image (too impatient for OTA's). I haven't tried any of the older radios yet.
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Check your mobile data settings to make sure you're not limiting anything and check your apn too.. It's unlikely hardware.
Speed is useful. Your speeds are much too low to be HSPA so it's indicative that you really are connecting as 3G only.
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I did already check mobile data settings and switched everything around in there, but no change. APN settings too. I haven't changed anything in either of those places anyway so an issue with them seems unlikely to me.
In my case, speeds aren't really useful, because my carrier limits them softwarewise to the speeds I have (7 Mbit/s). So even if I turn on LTE (have it switched off normally) I only get 7 Mbit/s - but still the LTE signal indicator.
I doubt it's a carrier issue since my friend still sees the H, you doubt it's a phone issue, so that just leaves us with a software issue
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I work in a large commercial building where I can't get LTE yet (until at least T-Mobile flips the B12 switch) and typically I get HSPA(+).
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You might want to check with T-Mobile about band12 support for the Nexus6 on Marshmallow with the stock radio. There have been reports that T-Mobile had band12 support disabled on the Nexus6 unified Marshmallow build.
Maybe they already flipped the B12 switch, and that has left you with just 3g ?
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You might want to check with T-Mobile about band12 support for the Nexus6 on Marshmallow with the stock radio. There have been reports that T-Mobile had band12 support disabled on the Nexus6 unified Marshmallow build.
Maybe they already flipped the B12 switch, and that has left you with just 3g ?
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Band 12 works on Marshmallow, I noticed it the other day when I was downtown in an area that had coverage, I'm just waiting on them to flip the switch in my area.
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Band 12 works on Marshmallow, I noticed it the other day when I was downtown in an area that had coverage, I'm just waiting on them to flip the switch in my area.
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What kind of SIM do you have band12 working on Marshmallow?
Band12 even just for data is for sure disabled under Marshmallow with a Project Fi SIM. Didn't use to be.
If band12 and T-Mobile VoLTE work with Marshmallow using a T-Mobile SIM, that is great news and I hope they will be able to get the 6p and 5x also to work on band12, and soon.
Project Fi, at least, is in a bit of a pickle over this issue, since they do not and will not use T-Mobile's proprietary VoLTE while on band12, and T-Mobile is refusing access to band12 without that certification.
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What kind of SIM do you have band12 working on Marshmallow?
Band12 even just for data is for sure disabled under Marshmallow with a Project Fi SIM. Didn't use to be.
If band12 and T-Mobile VoLTE work with Marshmallow using a T-Mobile SIM, that is great news and I hope they will be able to get the 6p and 5x also to work on band12, and soon.
Project Fi, at least, is in a bit of a pickle over this issue, since they do not and will not use T-Mobile's proprietary VoLTE while on band12, and T-Mobile is refusing access to band12 without that certification.
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I'm using a T-Mobile sim. The Nexus 6 hardware was certified to work through T-Mobile, which I'm guessing why B12, VoLTE, & WiFi calling work on this phone.
I don't know what the case is with the Nexus 5x or 6p, as those are being sold through Google only, where as you could purchase the Nexus 6 through T-Mobile.
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Project Fi, at least, is in a bit of a pickle over this issue, since they do not and will not use T-Mobile's proprietary VoLTE while on band12, and T-Mobile is refusing access to band12 without that certification.
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How do you know that? Are you privy to the MVNO agreement between T-Mobile and Project Fi? That is not the same thing as TMO's certification requirement for devices using a T-Mobile SIM.
All we know with any certainty is that Band 12 data connections used to work for Project Fi users under 5.1.1, but do not work for those running Marshmallow today. We don't know why. It could be that "T-Mobile is refusing access" contractually, as you claim. Or it could be a technical issue that broke something in the new radio.
We do know that T-Mobile is refusing access to band12 data unless the device also using T-Mobile VoLTE, because that has been said both by T-Mobile and acknowledged on the Project Fi support boards.
You are technically correct though that we do not know for sure if that is why Project Fi users no longer get band12 data access with Marshmallow.
We also don't know it that is why neither the N5x nor the 6p get band12, even with a T-Mobile SIM in, yet. That might be some certification issue, despite press reports about T-Mobile requiring it's removal.
I am glad it is working on your N6 with your T-Mobile SIM in place. I hope it will work on mine with my T-Mobile prepaid SIM, too.
Some Project Fi users are claiming that as of Marshmallow, Fi should no longer claim that Fi users have the exact same coverage on the T-Mobile network as T-Mobile customers, since they don't any longer.
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I find myself in an area with Verizon 5G and LTE coverage. The Pixel seems to prefer LTE but I suspect it is super saturated as download speeds are only in the 1-10 megabit range. Sometimes it switches to the 5G network and can get nearly 100 Mbps down. Is there a way to force the 5G network or disable the LTE network? I can usually get it to switch to 5G by toggling between Global and UMTS/GSM/LTE but it takes a number of tries and made me wonder if there was a way to force the switch.
That's a good question of which I don't have the answer. But let's say you did force it and disable LTE. What would happen when out of 5G range? I frequently see a bounce between the two but that's usually not when I'm stationary only on the move. My LTE speeds are better than 5g in my area so I don't concern myself much. Curious if you do figure it out and what the ramifications are.
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That's a good question of which I don't have the answer. But let's say you did force it and disable LTE. What would happen when out of 5G range? I frequently see a bounce between the two but that's usually not when I'm stationary only on the move. My LTE speeds are better than 5g in my area so I don't concern myself much. Curious if you do figure it out and what the ramifications are.
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I would expect signal to drop if you were somehow able to turn off LTE. For my purposes I'm mostly stationary and would switch back to all networks when I left. An edge case for sure.
Having been here for enough days it appears to reliably switch to 5G if I hold the phone near the window while toggling the setting. It then holds the 5G network until I go through the interior of the building for some reason and the 5G signal likely gets too weak. I'm guessing the algorithm for switching isn't seeing enough signal strength to switch back to 5G once I return to the room.
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I would expect signal to drop if you were somehow able to turn off LTE. For my purposes I'm mostly stationary and would switch back to all networks when I left. An edge case for sure.
Having been here for enough days it appears to reliably switch to 5G if I hold the phone near the window while toggling the setting. It then holds the 5G network until I go through the interior of the building for some reason and the 5G signal likely gets too weak. I'm guessing the algorithm for switching isn't seeing enough signal strength to switch back to 5G once I return to the room.
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I think the simple answer to this conundrum is that 5G is not quite ready for prime time. They are building out but in order to get into a building they will need more coverage and perhaps some other technologies to extend the range internally. Hopefully by the time I get my shiny new P6 things will improve.
I haven't tried a speed test with 5G lately but it was pretty abysmal a couple of months back. LTE was about 20% faster at my home. However, I went to NYC and the speeds for 5G were lightning fast. It's a waiting game I believe.
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I think the simple answer to this conundrum is that 5G is not quite ready for prime time. They are building out but in order to get into a building they will need more coverage and perhaps some other technologies to extend the range internally. Hopefully by the time I get my shiny new P6 things will improve.
I haven't tried a speed test with 5G lately but it was pretty abysmal a couple of months back. LTE was about 20% faster at my home. However, I went to NYC and the speeds for 5G were lightning fast. It's a waiting game I believe.
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It's certainly not ready to replace LTE, but in my case it is a significant improvement until I get to the elevator it seems. Once there it switches to LTE and won't switch back until I toggle. As I said, certainly an edge case and I've found a workaround but it would be nice to force it from time to time. IMO rather than being groups of network types, you should just get checkboxes for the ones you want the phone to use at any point in time. Of course we'll probably never see this as it would likely increase support calls as people changed settings and then got dropped calls/no signal.