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Have just returned my Xtrons unit due to various issues, and looking to change it for a proper Android Auto unit.
Had a look at the Pioneer AVH-X8700BT and quite disappointed, horrible buttons and a creaky flexy facia, and the onscreen menus etc are cluttered and unintuitive. This is a shame as I could have got 20%/£100 off in Halfords.
So interested to hear from anyone who has tried the others. I keep seeing comments about a JBL unit but it seems the launch date keeps getting shoved back. Kenwood - I've not found much about these but not hugely impressed by the look of the on screen menus in the static photos.
The one that has really got my attention is the Sony XAV-AX100 that has supposedly just been released. The unit looks smart and doesn't appear to need neon footwell lamps and extra boost gauges to complement it, (!) and the Sony menus have similar clean/uncluttered look like the Android Auto section. Apparently its only available via Sony Centres and both my local stores haven't come back yet with availability
I agree with your analysis of the options but i don't think the Sony product is released until December:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01LY8222N/geizhals07-21/ref=nosim?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
I personally got the Pioneer F88DAB (which is a european model) and I like the way it works. the menu is working quite well and I like the fact that I am able to adjust the screen tilt.
Android Auto works great at the device and I will upload a video of the device with android auto, so you can see how the menu and all the functions look like.
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that JBL has been pushed back so many times, I would not have any faith in it. The top of the line Kenwood is over a grand, but I have seen some really good reviews on it and few bad reviews. That was my backup plan if I didn't like my Joying, but I love my Joying
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I personally got the Pioneer F88DAB ...amazon
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At £850, it's poor value - you could professionally install a tablet for a lot less. I think I'll wait for the Sony for x-mas
kc1 said:
At £850, it's poor value - you could professionally install a tablet for a lot less. I think I'll wait for the Sony for x-mas
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That is true, but it was easier to install and I personally like the interface of it.
The Sony is a good choice. With a pioneer device you can use appradio or mirra cast.
When I am home, I will upload a video on how it is usable.
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kc1 said:
I agree with your analysis of the options but i don't think the Sony product is released until December:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01LY8222N/geizhals07-21/ref=nosim?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
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I'm also looking forward to getting the Sony unit later this year. :good:
CayenneGTS said:
I'm also looking forward to getting the Sony unit later this year. :good:
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Looks like it's available to order now
http://amzn.eu/1V2elbz
http://a.co/byhPOFu
Sir_Nomad49 said:
I personally got the Pioneer F88DAB (which is a european model) and I like the way it works. the menu is working quite well and I like the fact that I am able to adjust the screen tilt.
Android Auto works great at the device and I will upload a video of the device with android auto, so you can see how the menu and all the functions look like.
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I have the previous model the Pioneer F77 DAB. Works very well. Back in the day halfords had it for something over £800 then by accident halfords listed at £600 so reserved one sharpish. Couple of days later it was back at its original price. I think someone had cocked up.
Far as android auto is concerned it works faultlessly. It's pretty quick booting up from off and reverse camera works straight away, not having to wait for unit to boot. Occasionally when turning vehicle key to on unit comes on as normal but if you then hesitate to start engine it seems to crash and take maybe a minute to boot again. Even reverse camera does not work when this happens. Unit comes on when key is turned to power but cranking engine robs power from unit so it turns off and on again. The crash is something to do with the stage of boot when power drops. In all the time I've had it, it has only happened maybe half a dozen times. Other than this it works faultlessly. Pioneer want stupid money for mapping updates for the built in satnav on the downside but half the time I use Google maps in AA for quickness. Pioneer has an app to connect the phone to on board sat navigation - AVICSYNC. It works but is very clunky. Waiting for Waze to become AA compatible but not holding my breath on that one.
Well after failing miserably with two local Sony centres and also Sony online, I managed to find the unit for sale on Amazon! I'd set my heart on it and after three months with a gaping hole in the dashboard, its finally fitted!
First of all, its single DIN behind the facia so plenty of room for wiring looms, and simply slides in unlike the Android units that would need 30 minutes of trying to pull the cables around and still failing to get the facia flush. Also, as expected, it comes with a cage and standard mounting brackets so no bodging needed. Once fitted the unit sits neatly within the existing double din facia.
It starts up fast, works with my factory fitted reversing camera (unlike the Android units) and is simple to navigate. I was concerned about the 'cheap' resistive screen, but its actually very responsive and only needs a light touch.
The only issues I have so far;
1) The volume control knob needs a fair bit of spinning, it needs two or three goes to crank the volume down. I need to check the settings again to see if you can make the adjustment less fine.
2) If I connect the phone and play music on Spotify, and then start the engine, the unit powers down as normal during engine start. When it resumes, the music starts playing on the phone...I have to swipe across to a second screen and press a '+' speaker button to get the audio back through the vehicle speakers. A bug with my phone, or the radio? Something to look in to.
3) There is a limit to how many menu presses you can navigate, and unlike running Android Auto on the phone, instead of a momentary warning, it sticks until you navigate back home. Thats fine, although really irritating if your passenger is trying to find some tunes. But it does the same when stationary...I'm sure my handbrake is wired correctly but regardless, I'll be over-riding that feature as its in a campervan and I normally have a passenger!
4) Just to answer my own questions about the unit; No, the facia is not removable. No, it doesn't come with a remote control (a shame for a campervan!) And unlike the Android units, everything works seamlessly. i.e it doesn't freeze or get laggy, you don't need to wait ages for the unit to boot or Google Maps to load, and if you start the radio, Spotify etc will stop, rather than having two lots of audio competing for your attention
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3) There is a limit to how many menu presses you can navigate, and unlike running Android Auto on the phone, instead of a momentary warning, it sticks until you navigate back home. Thats fine, although really irritating if your passenger is trying to find some tunes. But it does the same when stationary...I'm sure my handbrake is wired correctly but regardless, I'll be over-riding that feature as its in a campervan and I normally have a passenger!
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Android Auto uses the phones GPS and maybe accelerometer to know when you've stopped.
On my Kenwood unit the handbrake sensor is grounded all the time and I still get that message.
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Well after failing miserably with two local Sony centres and also Sony online, I managed to find the unit for sale on Amazon! I'd set my heart on it and after three months with a gaping hole in the dashboard, its finally fitted!
First of all, its single DIN behind the facia so plenty of room for wiring looms, and simply slides in unlike the Android units that would need 30 minutes of trying to pull the cables around and still failing to get the facia flush. Also, as expected, it comes with a cage and standard mounting brackets so no bodging needed. Once fitted the unit sits neatly within the existing double din facia.
It starts up fast, works with my factory fitted reversing camera (unlike the Android units) and is simple to navigate. I was concerned about the 'cheap' resistive screen, but its actually very responsive and only needs a light touch.
The only issues I have so far;
1) The volume control knob needs a fair bit of spinning, it needs two or three goes to crank the volume down. I need to check the settings again to see if you can make the adjustment less fine.
2) If I connect the phone and play music on Spotify, and then start the engine, the unit powers down as normal during engine start. When it resumes, the music starts playing on the phone...I have to swipe across to a second screen and press a '+' speaker button to get the audio back through the vehicle speakers. A bug with my phone, or the radio? Something to look in to.
3) There is a limit to how many menu presses you can navigate, and unlike running Android Auto on the phone, instead of a momentary warning, it sticks until you navigate back home. Thats fine, although really irritating if your passenger is trying to find some tunes. But it does the same when stationary...I'm sure my handbrake is wired correctly but regardless, I'll be over-riding that feature as its in a campervan and I normally have a passenger!
4) Just to answer my own questions about the unit; No, the facia is not removable. No, it doesn't come with a remote control (a shame for a campervan!) And unlike the Android units, everything works seamlessly. i.e it doesn't freeze or get laggy, you don't need to wait ages for the unit to boot or Google Maps to load, and if you start the radio, Spotify etc will stop, rather than having two lots of audio competing for your attention
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Re "And unlike the Android units, everything works seamlessly", not true - please see your points 1 and 2 !!
Re "unlike the Android units . . . it doesn't freeze or get laggy, you don't need to wait ages for the unit to boot or Google Maps to load", Android units per se dont have this problem, one particular type, with only 1GB RAM, Lollipop and a later version of Google Maps does, this can easily be sorted.
Glad youre happy with your new unit, enjoy.
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Well after failing miserably with two local Sony centres and also Sony online, I managed to find the unit for sale on Amazon! I'd set my heart on it and after three months with a gaping hole in the dashboard, its finally fitted!
First of all, its single DIN behind the facia so plenty of room for wiring looms, and simply slides in unlike the Android units that would need 30 minutes of trying to pull the cables around and still failing to get the facia flush. Also, as expected, it comes with a cage and standard mounting brackets so no bodging needed. Once fitted the unit sits neatly within the existing double din facia.
It starts up fast, works with my factory fitted reversing camera (unlike the Android units) and is simple to navigate. I was concerned about the 'cheap' resistive screen, but its actually very responsive and only needs a light touch.
The only issues I have so far;
1) The volume control knob needs a fair bit of spinning, it needs two or three goes to crank the volume down. I need to check the settings again to see if you can make the adjustment less fine.
2) If I connect the phone and play music on Spotify, and then start the engine, the unit powers down as normal during engine start. When it resumes, the music starts playing on the phone...I have to swipe across to a second screen and press a '+' speaker button to get the audio back through the vehicle speakers. A bug with my phone, or the radio? Something to look in to.
3) There is a limit to how many menu presses you can navigate, and unlike running Android Auto on the phone, instead of a momentary warning, it sticks until you navigate back home. Thats fine, although really irritating if your passenger is trying to find some tunes. But it does the same when stationary...I'm sure my handbrake is wired correctly but regardless, I'll be over-riding that feature as its in a campervan and I normally have a passenger!
4) Just to answer my own questions about the unit; No, the facia is not removable. No, it doesn't come with a remote control (a shame for a campervan!) And unlike the Android units, everything works seamlessly. i.e it doesn't freeze or get laggy, you don't need to wait ages for the unit to boot or Google Maps to load, and if you start the radio, Spotify etc will stop, rather than having two lots of audio competing for your attention
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My unit came with a remote. I also find what I believe is a software bug, if you turn on the dimmer the maps will always be in night mode.
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Android Auto uses the phones GPS and maybe accelerometer to know when you've stopped.
On my Kenwood unit the handbrake sensor is grounded all the time and I still get that message.
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I've got the same issue. As of 2.0 Android Auto uses the head units' GPS data. If your head unit doesn't have built in navigation (GPS), it won't remove the limitation even if stationary.
Link: https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/android-auto/8mvJEDnJUpU/pmejOMunAgAJ
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My unit came with a remote. I also find what I believe is a software bug, if you turn on the dimmer the maps will always be in night mode.
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I found out it's by design by reading the user manual a bit better. The dimmer is connected to the headlights and when you turn on the lights it will go into night mode, unfortunately I use the lights 24/7 so I will install a toggle switch instead to turn on/off the daylight and the night mode. Pioneer has a a similar setting using the headlights but they also have a setting where you can set the time for night mode, hopefully Sony will have something similar in a future update.
Thanks for the replies!
I've worked out that the unit is detecting the handbrake as the video playback from an SD card is interrupted. I see the comment about the Sony not having built in GPS causing Android Auto to keep the 6 press limit, thats annoying, lets hope its fixed in an update. Surely it can use my phones GPS signal to work out when I'm stopped!
Terre08, I'll send you a PM regarding your remote...interesting!
I used Android Auto for the first time yesterday in a rental 2016 VW Jetta. The Phone and Music interfaces look nearly identical to what I get when pairing bluetooth and using the Car's native interface. I'm not seeing much added functionality. As for Navigation, it is nice be able to see it on the car's display. However, since it is landscape mode, only half the screen actually displays the map since there not enough height. When comparing it to what I see on my phone, it is nearly the exact same size. The other half displays the same info I would see on the phone, actually a little less. I suppose the buttons are a little bigger. One small issue is that my phone supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 2 but since I Android auto must use USB, I am left with whatever power the car ouputs. It seemed to be enough to slowly charge my phone even with Nav,Music, Phone, Bluetooth. Is it actually necessary to keep bluetooth on since the USB cable is connected? Another minor nag is that it seems to trigger night mode if I turn on the headlights which got annoying. I'd much rather it uses the light sensor.
I'm not really seeing the advantage. Am I missing some big features?
It seems its about the same to just use my phone and by doing that, I get access to more notifications and all my apps and can see my Nav plus music/phone at the same time.
Youve posted in the wrong section - this is the Android head unit forum, you want the Android Auto forum.
I think the main advantage is you don't have to mount your phone, and you can use the steering wheel to initiate choice controls. I understand what you are saying though. There is nothing life changing
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I've used it a bit longer. I think the major issue I have found is that it is buggy and slow, at least for me. There were probably maybe 3 major issues I found.
1. From sitting down in my car til when it was fully connected and working with nav took way too long.
2. It was very buggy. When the Nav needs to talk, it lowers the volume of the music temporarily. However sometimes, it just completely stops the music with no way to restart it other than unplugging and plugging in again (which would be very distracting while driving). Even then, often it wont reconnect correctly sometimes even causing the car part to reboot
3. It blocks my ability to text. Even on the phone. I can get it to work by going to recent apps and switching but it makes it harder to do it. They shouldn't be deciding what is "safe" and what isnt. If I'm stopped at a red light, I feel it is safe enough to send a txt, but with the blocking it makes it harder. Also it doesnt consider that I may have a passenger in the car that might want to use my phone to send or read a txt. Also, it didnt seem to read google voice or show gmail notificaitons.
It could be so much better
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I've used it a bit longer. I think the major issue I have found is that it is buggy and slow, at least for me. There were probably maybe 3 major issues I found.
1. From sitting down in my car til when it was fully connected and working with nav took way too long.
2. It was very buggy. When the Nav needs to talk, it lowers the volume of the music temporarily. However sometimes, it just completely stops the music with no way to restart it other than unplugging and plugging in again (which would be very distracting while driving). Even then, often it wont reconnect correctly sometimes even causing the car part to reboot
3. It blocks my ability to text. Even on the phone. I can get it to work by going to recent apps and switching but it makes it harder to do it. They shouldn't be deciding what is "safe" and what isnt. If I'm stopped at a red light, I feel it is safe enough to send a txt, but with the blocking it makes it harder. Also it doesnt consider that I may have a passenger in the car that might want to use my phone to send or read a txt. Also, it didnt seem to read google voice or show gmail notificaitons.
It could be so much better
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I understand you may feel it is safe to text at a stop light, but most people fell this too and get caught up in the use of their devices in a car. Texting from a car should be outlawed PERIOD! Even stopped, you need to pay attention to your surroundings while in a vehicle. This is the only way to drive safely. Technological advantages like Android Auto help us band-aid the problem by getting people to look up and away from their screen to hopefully see what is going on around you. Too many people have lost their lives to others not being fully aware of what is happening on the road. I am a tech junkie, but I know it needs to be moderated to keep everyone safe. I see someone on their phone at a light and I feel they are a danger to me and everyone around. Please, stop texting all together from the car. Trust me, if you are important enough......they will wait.
That being said....Sorry (very emotional today). Android Auto does have its advantages with offering Nav in a vehicle without paying for the upgraded interior or having to pay for OnStar Nav. Plus, it keeps heads pointed in the right direction. Up. It would be nice to have it be wireless and not be tethered with a USB cable, but I understand with the amount of data that needs to be passed. Soon all features from the phone could be hands free with inventions like Android Auto paving the way.
Thank you for listening to me rant.
The advantages are:
1. Phone gets GPS signal and speed data from car head unit antenna. This is much accurate than phone.
2. AA integrates with car multimedia and you can control it with steering wheel buttons
3. You can launch Google voice control and read some notifications.
Potentially AA could be much better, but Google had capped most of the good functions:
1. Driving GPS applications are limited to online apps (Gmaps and Waze) which are not offering the capabilities of good apps like Sygic TomTom or iGo.
2. Notification reading of all notifications.
3. Integration of email.
4. Video when not moving.
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jisenberg said:
I understand you may feel it is safe to text at a stop light, but most people fell this too and get caught up in the use of their devices in a car. Texting from a car should be outlawed PERIOD! ...
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Sorry, that is a bit ridiculous. One could argue that being on a call (on a hands free phone) is more distracting. What about people that eat while they drive. Maybe we should outlaw having conversations with passengers too. Alot of distractions are dangerous, it is the driver's responsibility to behave safely. I haven't even mentioned that the driver isnt necessarily the one interacting with android auto. The passenger might be the one that wants to use the device but they are blocked out too.
Oh and guess what, a nag message isnt going to stop someone from doing what they need to do. It just makes it harder and even more distracting.
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1. Phone gets GPS signal and speed data from car head unit antenna. This is much accurate than phone. ...
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I didn't realize this, good point, my phone's GPS reception isnt so great.
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2. AA integrates with car multimedia and you can control it with steering wheel buttons
3. You can launch Google voice control and read some notifications.
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I don't need AA. If I connect bluetooth, I can control my media with the steering wheel buttons. At least the basic stuff (play/stop, prev, next, vol)
On some cars, I found that hitting the voice button will trigger it on my phone, otherwise, its fairly easy to press the button on the screen. I can also swipe down to read notificaitons. (ofcourse everything looks smaller)
Hi!
Well, I don't know exactly where to put this thread on, and I hope I put it on the right one.
Gonna review a bit for using the new bluetooth S-Pen feature!
- Battery life is quite the same as announced. I got around 30 mins for using it (clicking the button every several minutes to mimic the usability during real-life presentation). To be honest, I wished it to be better (around 1 or 2 hours) so it will be a lot useful during seminars and such (I tend to bring one). Well, as they said, recharging the S-pen itself takes only several seconds, and I clearly don't mind if they added several seconds of charging to add another hour on usage.
- On presentation mode, using MS Powerpoint on the phone, it feels a bit buggy. If I touch the phone screen (to give notes, for example), the next and previous slide functionality stops working. The air command floating icon is buzzing, but nothing happens on the slide. I need to restart the presentation for it to be working again. To be honest, this is quite a bummer. I really hope Samsung (or microsoft?) gonna fix this soon.
- On another note, I can't find any other flaws when using the new bluetooth function. Remapping is easy. The connection is very good as well. I stand around 8 meters outside of my closed room in my apartment, and the phone still responds to the click.
- I do really hope some app is gonna made to make usage for this feature more universally, since for now, this feature can only be used on such narrow list of apps (camera, gallery, voice recorder, media, chrome, and powerpoint).
So, tldr, here's my review:
(+)
> Easy to use
> Battery life as advertised
> Very fast charging
> Good connection
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> Battery life could be better
> Need more app ecosystem
> Still buggy on the slideshow functionality
So I used the bluetooth S-Pen today to take a picture. It was kind of annoying because the little button on the side of the pen is so small. I would have preferred to use the button on the end of the pen.
Whenever my Note9 arrives, I look forward to using it as a dad. I have 3 kids 5 and under, and especially the baby is a tough model! I plan on propping my phone up in a good location, then making faces and sounds to make him laugh while snapping photos with the pen! He always stops when I put my phone in my hands and now I don't have to worry about that!
I don't have my Note 9 yet, but I've tried the S-pen multiple times on demo units. For the camera remote, it introduces shutter lag which otherwise doesn't happen normally. Not a dealbreaker but definitely worth noting.
Hi,
I never had an amoled screen but I heard that you can get burn-in on those screen.
So I avoided phone with amoled but I really like the note 9.
I would like to know if it easy to get burn-in when you use app like google maps, with your notifications bar (battery, ..), or onscreen nav button, ect...
Thanks for yous reply.
I've never gotten burn in on any AMOLED phone I've owned (Galaxy S3, Note 4, Note 5, S7 Edge, Note 8, S9 (three of them) and the Note 9). I use the phone a lot.
Is it possible? Sure. LCD is possible, too. Just don't keep static images onscreen for hours on end
I've had an AMOLED phone since the Galaxy S2, and have kept each phone for at least 1-3 years. By my count that is the S2, S3, S4, S5, S7 Edge, and now the Note 9. I have been using Google Maps and Navigation on all of these devices, and I have never experienced any screen burn in. Not once. In fact, I have never heard of it being an issue. Yes, I knew it could happen, but I have never heard of it happening outside of isolated cases. The Note 9 has one of the best displays of any phone out there, don't let this non-issue stop you.
When I first get my AMOLED Smartphone/Tablets I never use brightness over 20 to 30% I run it like that for about 3+ months. I blend the displays in, well that’s my theory!
I have a Tab S 8.4 LTE my daily driver! It’s over 4 + years old! Not a mark of screen burn in see it all depends how you use your display! I’ve seen people complaining there AMOLED display have burn in 2 months in! But when you ask them where the brightness set to 80% was even 100% it’s too bright it hurts your eyes!
You don’t need 80% TO 100% unless your real blind ? Seriously use your phone sensibly you will be fine pp.’s I’ve done many 8+ hour round trip Google maps on my TAB S 8.4 there’s no sign of burn in on my AMLOED display!! AMOLED IS KING!!
Just leave the brightness on auto. In full sunlight in my car, the screen is maximally bright. On long trips, that may be for 8 hours at a time or more. That's not a routine thing for me, but still never any issues.
that was one thing i was worried about too, this is my first samsung/amoled phone. I have read here and there, some people get burn ins as early as one week of usage and some never, cant say every screen is perfect and everyone uses their phones differently.
a small tip, what i have done is using the app "routine" to set my brightness to 35% and auto rotate on when connected to bluetooth of my car. It locks it at that brightness, and of course you can manually turn it up if you wish. this saves me the trouble when the phone auto adjust it to max most of the time.
if youre worried just for that one app ie. google maps, you can set it so that only when you launch that app and connected to that specific bluetooth to lock in the brightness at 35%.
I have also set my google maps night mode always on.
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that was one thing i was worried about too, this is my first samsung/amoled phone. I have read here and there, some people get burn ins as early as one week of usage and some never, cant say every screen is perfect and everyone uses their phones differently.
a small tip, what i have done is using the app "routine" to set my brightness to 35% and auto rotate on when connected to bluetooth of my car. It locks it at that brightness, and of course you can manually turn it up if you wish. this saves me the trouble when the phone auto adjust it to max most of the time.
if youre worried just for that one app ie. google maps, you can set it so that only when you launch that app and connected to that specific bluetooth to lock in the brightness at 35%.
I have also set my google maps night mode always on.
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thanks for your reply.
Can you tel me more about your app "routine"? Because I didnot find it on the play store.
I just found my original N7 and thought about using for an entertainment hub. But it won't charge. I think the port may be shot.
It has been YEARS since I participated in the community, but I used to be very active.
I just have a simple question for those still using the N7, with Android 7 (some variant. I'm thinking of a seriously basic install like vanilla Lineage) installed, is the N7 up to handling the task of streaming apps, the Google Home app and some Google Assistant work?
I'd like some input before I buy a new battery and port and go through the work of the repair.
Thanks!
i left my n7 (v2) for a year and it developed an issue on the ribbon between the usbport and its destination, i can open the case and fiddle with it an it comes back to life for a few day. i found it easier to charge it with my wireless charger. but after playing with it for a while, it just was not really worth the effort, or maybe i just did not have the motivation to re partition and do everything else to get it going with the latest.
of the 14 devices i have only the nexus 7 died, even my galaxy s2 is still running.
I'm using mine as a viewer for my home security. It's mounted at my workstation and stays on 24/7. Streaming video in 720p60 is not an issue, no stuttering at least. Web browsing is OK, not quick of course but not terribly slow either. Mainly I use it for home automation and I would say that this device does a great job at that despite its age! I honestly don't use it much, but those are a few simple experiences.