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Lots of questions buying Kindle Fire Hdx - 7"

I am currently looking to buy Kindle Fire Hdx - 7" - 64gb and have lots of questions on purchase,
Should I wait to buy a different tablet which will be used mainly as an ereader of my color pdf books and magazines running my apps but I want a tablet good for gaming and watching movies as well so how is the Kindle in that regard?
The tablet I looking at has ads and how hard would be to totally remove the ads once rooted.
I want to be able to use the upcoming Fire OS 5.0 with a Lollipop ROM.
Is that possible now and how would it work as a dual boot or would the ROM and OS run concurrently?
Any words of wisdom on getting the right root and ROM for Kindle Fire Hdx?
I dont have tablet yet but seeing there are some conflicts with newest 4.5.3 or 7.5.1 firmwares. The number maybe higher that the ones I listed I just grabbed to numbers from YouTube posters.
Why 2 different numbers I am guessing 4.5.3 is for Kindle Fire Hdx what the other number mentioned?
I want to be able to use this tablet as a converted setup using google play store so how hard is that to add to tablet and what would it break in the process?
I want to purchase this tablet soon so posting now to get some feedback started. If this thread should be placed somewhere else for better coverage feel free to do so.
TIA!

techmanc said:
I am currently looking to buy Kindle Fire Hdx - 7" - 64gb and have lots of questions on purchase,
Should I wait to buy a different tablet which will be used mainly as an ereader of my color pdf books and magazines running my apps but I want a tablet good for gaming and watching movies as well so how is the Kindle in that regard?
The tablet I looking at has ads and how hard would be to totally remove the ads once rooted.
I want to be able to use the upcoming Fire OS 5.0 with a Lollipop ROM.
Is that possible now and how would it work as a dual boot or would the ROM and OS run concurrently?
Any words of wisdom on getting the right root and ROM for Kindle Fire Hdx?
I dont have tablet yet but seeing there are some conflicts with newest 4.5.3 or 7.5.1 firmwares. The number maybe higher that the ones I listed I just grabbed to numbers from YouTube posters.
Why 2 different numbers I am guessing 4.5.3 is for Kindle Fire Hdx what the other number mentioned?
I want to be able to use this tablet as a converted setup using google play store so how hard is that to add to tablet and what would it break in the process?
I want to purchase this tablet soon so posting now to get some feedback started. If this thread should be placed somewhere else for better coverage feel free to do so.
TIA!
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Ok I bought my Kindle Fire HDX 7 and after updating the tablet its now version 4.5.4
I now want to root tablet and use a Lollipop ROM and if needed install I guessing I need to install GAPPS to add google play store and other google apps from what I been reading here or are the google apps installed when I install the new ROM?
So what ROM and Root method should I use and where do I get GAPPS if needed?

HD7 4th Gen w. 5.1.2 - easiest way to get Google Play store only, no other tweaks

I originally posted this in the Fire HD forum, but was told the most up to date procedure was probably here. Is that true?
My situation is this. My main Fire is a Fire 5th Gen (the $49 one), and I got comfortable with using it JUST with Google Play installed and no other tweaks. I used the Rootjunky Supertool program and ADB to do that under 5.1.1.
I just got, as a secondary device, a used HD7 4th Gen. The previous owner must have had it upgrade to 5.1.2 recently, because that's what it came with. I'm aware that there are (probably even more reliable that with the 5th Gen) ways to back-apply FireOS4 and get the thing rooted without bricking it, but... at this point I'm not ready for that. Like with my Gen5 I just want Google Play on it.
What I don't know is if the current tools around to do that (like the Supertool) will WORK with an HD7 4th Gen and 5.1.2. I've been told in a general sort of manner that the procedure just to get a non-rooted Play store install should be "the same" as for the 5th Gen device, but that doesn't say to me that the Supertool would work. Or does it (since it just says "5th Generation" on it's descriptions)? And if not, what other took or script does?
I will say I already have Developer Mode and ADB access turned on, and even have a copy of ES File Manager from the Amazon Store on the HD7-4thGen, suspecting that one or both of those would come in handy. So what's next?
Thanks!

I just purchased a Fire that came preloaded with 5.1.2. I can confirm SuperTool installed Google Apps just fine. Google prompted me to upgrade the services framework which worked without a hitch. I've not tried anything else yet such as removing ads, and we already know root doesn't work in 5.1.2 yet.
Some Play Store apps may not work, or may be quirky if they do but that is par for the course with Amazon devices that haven't been reimaged to a "real" Android OS.

snark.shark said:
I originally posted this in the Fire HD forum, but was told the most up to date procedure was probably here. Is that true?
My situation is this. My main Fire is a Fire 5th Gen (the $49 one), and I got comfortable with using it JUST with Google Play installed and no other tweaks. I used the Rootjunky Supertool program and ADB to do that under 5.1.1.
I just got, as a secondary device, a used HD7 4th Gen. The previous owner must have had it upgrade to 5.1.2 recently, because that's what it came with. I'm aware that there are (probably even more reliable that with the 5th Gen) ways to back-apply FireOS4 and get the thing rooted without bricking it, but... at this point I'm not ready for that. Like with my Gen5 I just want Google Play on it.
What I don't know is if the current tools around to do that (like the Supertool) will WORK with an HD7 4th Gen and 5.1.2. I've been told in a general sort of manner that the procedure just to get a non-rooted Play store install should be "the same" as for the 5th Gen device, but that doesn't say to me that the Supertool would work. Or does it (since it just says "5th Generation" on it's descriptions)? And if not, what other took or script does?
I will say I already have Developer Mode and ADB access turned on, and even have a copy of ES File Manager from the Amazon Store on the HD7-4thGen, suspecting that one or both of those would come in handy. So what's next?
Thanks!
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I don't think anyone here is going to stick their neck out to answer an off-topic question. If you want to know if it works try it! Otherwise the Fire HD forum is your best resource.

Davey126 said:
I don't think anyone here is going to stick their neck out to answer an off-topic question. If you want to know if it works try it! Otherwise the Fire HD forum is your best resource.
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Funny how that works, when someone there used virtually the identical wording to point me HERE:
bibikalka said:
Your best bet is to go to the Gen 5 XDA forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire
The devices are literally identical if you want rootless GAPPS. So look for what's offered there.
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snark.shark said:
Funny how that works, when someone there used virtually the identical wording to point me HERE:
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- devices are not "literally identical" - not even close
- HD 7 is clearly off-topic for this forum

Davey126 said:
- devices are not "literally identical" - not even close
- HD 7 is clearly off-topic for this forum
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I went back there and asked again, so we'll see what happens.
It boggles my mind that nobody there would have tested installing Play on one of the 4thGen devices (without all of the rooting shenanigans I mean). But that seems to be what's being implied--literally nobody knows if it works.
Heck, looking around here I'm not sure if anyone knows if it works still under 5.1.2 with the 5th Gen device (which I also have). My 5th Gen updated 5.1.1 to 5.1.2 (because I hadn't blocked OTA updates--and just had Play installed and no root). Play still worked after the update, but it's really got me curious if the Rootjunky tool even still works under 5.1.2 (aside from the rooting stuff, which I know doesn't).
EDIT - sorry, just saw zerbey's post up there. I'm assuming zerbey means with a 5th Gen device, so that's answered. Since my 5th Gen already had Play from 5.1.1 it was just curiosity driving that question either (although it also occurred to me it might be nice to know in case there is ever a reason to reinstall Play). As for the 4th Gen device, was there ever even an equivalent to the supertool (even if less automated)? That's part of what I've been trying to find out, and I'm supposing why that person pointed me to this forum. But as I've said I've gone back there and asked again.

snark.shark said:
I went back there and asked again, so we'll see what happens.
It boggles my mind that nobody there would have tested installing Play on one of the 4thGen devices (without all of the rooting shenanigans I mean). But that seems to be what's being implied--literally nobody knows if it works.
Heck, looking around here I'm not sure if anyone knows if it works still under 5.1.2 with the 5th Gen device (which I also have). My 5th Gen updated 5.1.1 to 5.1.2 (because I hadn't blocked OTA updates--and just had Play installed and no root). Play still worked after the update, but it's really got me curious if the Rootjunky tool even still works under 5.1.2 (aside from the rooting stuff, which I know doesn't).
EDIT - sorry, just saw zerbey's post up there. I'm assuming zerbey means with a 5th Gen device, so that's answered. Since my 5th Gen already had Play from 5.1.1 it was just curiosity driving that question either (although it also occurred to me it might be nice to know in case there is ever a reason to reinstall Play). As for the 4th Gen device, was there ever even an equivalent to the supertool (even if less automated)? That's part of what I've been trying to find out, and I'm supposing why that person pointed me to this forum. But as I've said I've gone back there and asked again.
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In general FireOS v4 and Google Play Services don't play nice together. The combo can be made to work, sort of, but each refresh seems to bring new challenges. Blocking component updates is frustrating as apps are increasingly dependent on current/recent versions of Play Services. FireOS v5 appears to be more accommodating.

Davey126 said:
In general FireOS v4 and Google Play Services don't play nice together. The combo can be made to work, sort of, but each refresh seems to bring new challenges. Blocking component updates is frustrating as apps are increasingly dependent on current/recent versions of Play Services. FireOS v5 appears to be more accommodating.
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I'm not talking about FireOS4. I'm talking about the 4th Gen device (HD7-Gen4) with 5.1.2 on it, and wanting just Play Store without root. Again, I know the primary place to ask about that is the HD forum, but because of a bum answer there that insisted that someone here might know the specific tools better (because they tend to root everything in that forum by default, I guess, and seem to think the procedure to add Play should be the same), that's how this got posted here.
Actually I just had an answer in the other forum that again insisted nobody there knows squat about adding Play to the HD7 without rooting, so... I guess I'm likely stuck rooting the damn thing (which also means backapplying FireOS4--the part that scares me).

snark.shark said:
I'm not talking about FireOS4. I'm talking about the 4th Gen device (HD7-Gen4) with 5.1.2 on it, and wanting just Play Store without root. Again, I know the primary place to ask about that is the HD forum, but because of a bum answer there that insisted that someone here might know the specific tools better (because they tend to root everything in that forum by default, I guess, and seem to think the procedure to add Play should be the same), that's how this got posted here.
Actually I just had an answer in the other forum that again insisted nobody there knows squat about adding Play to the HD7 without rooting, so... I guess I'm likely stuck rooting the damn thing (which also means backapplying FireOS4--the part that scares me).
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I forgot 4th gen devices were upgraded to FireOS 5. A consequence of trying to provide assistance for another device type that is not typically discussed in a 5th gen device forum. I hang my head in shame for misunderstanding your off-topic question.

snark.shark said:
I'm not talking about FireOS4. I'm talking about the 4th Gen device (HD7-Gen4) with 5.1.2 on it, and wanting just Play Store without root. Again, I know the primary place to ask about that is the HD forum, but because of a bum answer there that insisted that someone here might know the specific tools better (because they tend to root everything in that forum by default, I guess, and seem to think the procedure to add Play should be the same), that's how this got posted here.
Actually I just had an answer in the other forum that again insisted nobody there knows squat about adding Play to the HD7 without rooting, so... I guess I'm likely stuck rooting the damn thing (which also means backapplying FireOS4--the part that scares me).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-hd/general/how-to-google-play-store-root-fast-easy-t3226960
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Root of Fire 7 5th gen with Fire OS 5.6.1.0

Hi Guys,
I'm new here and searching for an Root Option for my Fire 5th Gen. with Fire OS 5.6.1.0.
I startet it today, and this stupid Device means to update it...
I think i saw the Root Option versions below in the Settings. So i'm confused actually.
And I'm New in the Root section. So my normally Devices are from Apple. But the Fire was one time Cheap and i buyed a 128GB mSD so i can install all of my Music on it.
I hope guys you can understand me and help me
xHazeBaze

xHazeBaze said:
Hi Guys,
I'm new here and searching for an Root Option for my Fire 5th Gen. with Fire OS 5.6.1.0.
I startet it today, and this stupid Device means to update it...
I think i saw the Root Option versions below in the Settings. So i'm confused actually.
And I'm New in the Root section. So my normally Devices are from Apple. But the Fire was one time Cheap and i buyed a 128GB mSD so i can install all of my Music on it.
I hope guys you can understand me and help me
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Unfortunately, there is NO (zero, zip, nada) option at present to root a 5th gen Fire running FireOS 5.3.2.1 or above. Nor can you roll back to a rootable build of FireOS. However, you can install the Google Play store:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/how-to-install-google-play-store-fire-t3486603
Please make use of the XDA search function before opening a new thread. Root question has been asked and answered many times.

Davey126 said:
Unfortunately, there is NO (zero, zip, nada) option at present to root a 5th gen Fire running FireOS 5.3.2.1 or above. Nor can you roll back to a rootable build of FireOS. However, you can install the Google Play store:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/how-to-install-google-play-store-fire-t3486603
Please make use of the XDA search function before opening a new thread. Root question has been asked and answered many times.
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Im sorry, i try to use the search function. How can i rollback?

xHazeBaze said:
Im sorry, i try to use the search function. How can i rollback?
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There is no rollback option.

Bit of a noob question but has anyone truyed to do it using Magisk through adb or can that not be done on this

bellysgonnagetya said:
Bit of a noob question but has anyone truyed to do it using Magisk through adb or can that not be done on this
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Locked bootloader; Magisk can NOT be used.

Davey126 said:
Locked bootloader; Magisk can be used.
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CAN'T ?

ldeveraux said:
CAN'T ?
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LOL - thank you! Posted a quick response by mobile and got burned by auto-correct. "Magisk can't be used" was the intended response. I have updated the post in question.

Does anyone know if any root is available yet?
This device is slow on Fire OS.. too much going on for such a slow processor etc. Ironic..

I am also interested in rooting this device.

hobhob said:
Does anyone know if any root is available yet?
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tahrang said:
I am also interested in rooting this device.
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No root on 7th gen Fire. 5th gen devices running FireOS 5.3.2.0 or lower can be rooted. There is no rollback option for those on 5.3.2.1 and above (device will brick).

Just FYI for those searching, still no root. I'm keeping it on 5.3.3.1, which it came with as of 2 days ago.

Quintuple said:
Just FYI for those searching, still no root. I'm keeping it on 5.3.3.1, which it came with as of 2 days ago.
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Just got a Refurbished from woot. it came with 5.6.1 well played amazon!

Rufurbished bought from Amazon.de on 05/10/2018 came with 5.6.1.0...;(
Handsome Jack said:
Just got a Refurbished from woot. it came with 5.6.1 well played amazon!
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Same prob here , saw a couple of threads...it seems the safer approach is to not to attempt downgrading and simply install Google Play (I already did it and works fine - you can practically install anything you want). The problem is actually you have to live with all the junk Amazon puts on the Tablet...;(
Ads on the lockscreen can also easily be blocked..
Blocking of OTA updates does require you to be root, so unless a means to stop OTA from happening shows up, our tablets will continue updating themselves ad-eternum
Cheers,
Gizmo

ThyGizmo said:
Same prob here , saw a couple of threads...it seems the safer approach is to not to attempt downgrading and simply install Google Play (I already did it and works fine - you can practically install anything you want). The problem is actually you have to live with all the junk Amazon puts on the Tablet...;(
Ads on the lockscreen can also easily be blocked..
Blocking of OTA updates does require you to be root, so unless a means to stop OTA from happening shows up, our tablets will continue updating themselves ad-eternum
Cheers,
Gizmo
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Downgrade from 5.6.x -> 5.4 is safe and permits disabling (not uninstalling) Amazon 'bloat' if you know what you're doing. OTA updates can be blocked via VPN based firewall but that adds to the cpu/memory load on this already resource constrained device. In the end it's probably best to do as @ThyGizmo suggests for practical vs safety reasons. Take the device for what it is - a slow but serviceable Amazon ecosystem appliance (shopping portal) that can also be used as a generic Android tablet with some limitations.

I just wanted to remove all the amazon apps. I don't use them.
I use web browser for shopping. I don't have amazon books, movies and many of their junk.
Don't get me start with the spy amazon alexa.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wo...ation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974

Handsome Jack said:
I just wanted to remove all the amazon apps. I don't use them.
I use web browser for shopping. I don't have amazon books, movies and many of their junk.
Don't get me start with the spy amazon alexa.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wo...ation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974
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I get an eerie feeling Pandora listens to me sometimes. It has access to the microphone mostly because it intertwines with Google Assistant but I swear sometimes I'll yell at Pandora for not playing the music I like or a song I haven't heard in forever and within a few minutes the song is played. I've been able to do a few times with somebody else in the room and they thought it was quite creepy to. So I guess in a sense you could say that was "spying". But just because an app has a permission to use a certain piece of hardware doesn't mean it always will use it.unfortunately without Root you can't install app Ops which would tell you if a permission was ever used for that specific application.

Handsome Jack said:
I just wanted to remove all the amazon apps. I don't use them.
I use web browser for shopping. I don't have amazon books, movies and many of their junk.
Don't get me start with the spy amazon alexa.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wo...ation-sent-it-out-to-random-contact/755507974
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DragonFire1024 said:
I get an eerie feeling Pandora listens to me sometimes. It has access to the microphone mostly because it intertwines with Google Assistant but I swear sometimes I'll yell at Pandora for not playing the music I like or a song I haven't heard in forever and within a few minutes the song is played. I've been able to do a few times with somebody else in the room and they thought it was quite creepy to. So I guess in a sense you could say that was "spying". But just because an app has a permission to use a certain piece of hardware doesn't mean it always will use it.unfortunately without Root you can't install app Ops which would tell you if a permission was ever used for that specific application.
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FUD fodder. Slap a piece of tape over the mic and call it a day.

ok, after reading advice. I have decided not to root this Fire 7 5th gen.
After I install Google Play. What the best way to make this device to run better? amazon apps eat all the RAM and CPU.

Handsome Jack said:
ok, after reading advice. I have decided not to root this Fire 7 5th gen.
After I install Google Play. What the best way to make this device to run better? amazon apps eat all the RAM and CPU.
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You wouldn't be able to Root it. Only the 2017 HD 10 can be rooted at present.
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Brand new Fire HD7 - anything I should be careful about?

Hello!
I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before, but I couldn't find anything recent enough to be trustworthy.
Topic pretty much says it all: I just got a Kindle Fire 7 and want to make sure I don't inadvertently sabotage myself later on down the line. What's the best way to ensure I'm getting the essentials (Play Store, no tracking, etc) and not going to be pulling down automatic updates that might screw me out of rooting later on down the road (if a root ever manifests)?

hmmm Fire HD 7? I do not believe there is such thing, there is either a Fire 7 (5th or 7th Generation) and a Fire HD 8.
So make sure you know the exact model you have. And the first thing you should do with it, it not letting it connect to internet.
Once you know which one you have, well, then it all depends on what you want to do with it. Check these links, which should cover all your questions and more:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/help-thread-question-noob-friendly-t3205441
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/help-thread-7th-gen-2017ask-question-t3636919
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/tool-amazon-fire-7-7gen-fire-os-5-6-x-t3815112

Fire 7 5th and 7th

My kids have a fire 7 5th and 7th gen. Someone suggested you can remove the Fire OS via a rom. But looking around that doesn't seem possible for many variants.
The tablets have got super slow and the kids just aren't using them as much as they used to be, also they want the Google Play stuff (and I want family link to keep an eye on their apps!) So it seems a win win situation albeit not possible...?
Am I out of luck? Thanks

Lothaen said:
My kids have a fire 7 5th and 7th gen. Someone suggested you can remove the Fire OS via a rom. But looking around that doesn't seem possible for many variants.
The tablets have got super slow and the kids just aren't using them as much as they used to be, also they want the Google Play stuff (and I want family link to keep an eye on their apps!) So it seems a win win situation albeit not possible...?
Am I out of luck? Thanks
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Custom ROMs exist for both variants but you'll have some geeky prep work to do (unlocking bootloader) which can easily consume a weekend if you're new to the game. A more expeditious path is to simply reinstall FireOS which will restore speed (for awhile) but not bring Google Play access. Alternatively, look at the $64 USD 8" Onn tablet from Walmart which runs the latest version of (almost) pure Android and is highly usable out of the box. That said, most kids shy away from clunky tablets once in school. Give some thought to a prepaid phone which are heavily discounted at most retailers. Just don't activate it which yields a great WiFi only gizmo for Junior which can be turned into a 'real' phone when s(he) is ready. Good luck.

It's a fair point. The kids play Pokémon go on old phones as the tablets don't so much.